Live Thread: Cavs @ Heat
2024-03-24Happy Sunday, Cavs fans. Evan Mobley returns to the fold for Cleveland, while Donovan Mitchell, Max Strus, Dean Wade, and Ty Jerome remain out. For Miami, Jaime Jaquez Jr., Duncan Robinson, Kevin Love, Tyler Herro, and Josh Richardson remain out. For Cleveland, success lies with Darius Garland and whether he can return to the form that he showed in his all-star season, or whether he will become a toxic asset who can’t play winning basketball and justify his max contract.
The question with Garland, is “can he play his basketball without a high iq offensive player next to him?” I had an extended discussion with some Cavs fans on Twitter, and a lot of Garland’s issues to me, is the Cavs’ unwillingness to coach him. As I noted, Garland needs to be coached. Last game, JB let him run around like a chicken with his head cut off for the whole third quarter when it was obvious they had zero game plan on offense and Garland’s head wasn’t in the game. When the Wolves scored on eight straight possessions, maybe take a timeout on the fifth straight score and sit Darius down, coach him, and put him back in.
Of course, I found the Cavs’ entire offensive game plan versus Minnesota poorly conceived. JB said post-game that they needed to get the ball inside to generate looks for shooters, which is just not a smart game plan against Minny. I counter this notion that the Cavs need more guard penetration (something Garland has been less effective at than recent seasons).
LeVert has been Cleveland’s best penetrator, and he’s good but not great. Garland has really regressed and just hasn’t been good at hitting weak side shooters which, means if you trap or send help on him he’s likely to put up a bad shot or try to force the ball through traffic. One of Garland’s biggest problems is that he tries to make home run passes instead of making the open pass and staying in motion. Once the ball is gone, Garland often watches instead of staying in motion. He also doesn’t always keep himself ready to shoot all the time which means if it does come back to him he’s often dribbling again, even if he’s open for a shot.
Ricky Rubio was the master of always being in motion and running the play through to completion even on a cut he where knows he’s never going to get the ball back. He moves the defense with that and opens stuff up for everyone else. Cavs should have been using screen action and motion to generate outside looks against to force Rudy to defend in space and draw defenders to the perimeter. And against that d you likely need to hit some mid-rangers to punish the drop which Cleveland is flat bad at
Their off ball screen game is lazy and they refuse to run pick and pop in an effective way (DG and to a lesser extent Caris always hold the ball too long in pick and pop). The only guard who plays a good pick and pop two man game is Merrill and he’s even lazy about it when screening with Garland and LeVert cause he knows he’s not getting the ball back.
So the real question with Garland is, “Will he learn to read defenses and respond appropriately?” Can he do anything but pick-and-roll or mediocre iso ball? Do the Cavs need a new coach to get through to him? We shall find out. Hopefully it starts this game. Go Cavs.
Yesterday was the Palm Sunday Massacre!
ha-ha: good name.
COACHING BUDDIES—-( SEASON TICKET HOLDER s) —SAY ALOT OF WHAT THEY ARE HEARING—- DG IS DEFINITELY TRADED / HE AND HIS CAMP ARE PRETTY AWARE OF IT ———— WE SHALL SEE—— THE WAY HE IS PLAYING-// WE WON T GET THE PROPER RETURN—— OF COURSE IF NOT A GOOD RETURN/ CAVS DONT HAVE TO TRADE/ NEED A “ BIDDING “ WAR FOR HIS SERVICES
He’s the most tradeable piece because point guard production is easier to replace than skilled size. just think given his age and ceiling, you need a really good player back (we’ve proven we can get and develop fourth and fifth starter-caliber players, and non-lottery draft capital doesn’t do much for us). none are available: i struggle to think of a mix of fit and talent that you could get for a down year of DG and a pick. Harden maybe? Murray is the right level of production but he’s not going anywhere. LaMelo? he’s glass and a little bit of… Read more »
Top 5 positive hot takes from today’s game:
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As much a I’ve liked the improvement from Okoro overall this season, the team needs so much from him on offense if he is going to play 30+ minutes a night/be starter on a good team. I still wonder what his ceiling is on the offensive end.
dunno, but his everyday D is way above that of most NBA player’s ceiling.
this is why he is hopefully affordable. i love him but he probably needs to do more as a movement shooter and pick and roll handler like Strus to be an above average starter on that end.
Look how the tables have turned.. we have a 3-7 record in the last 10 games while losing two games to Miami when they are 4-6 in their last ten with 2 wins against us.
Teams 4-6 in their last 10:
Teams 3-7 in their last 10:
Teams 2-8 in their last 10:
1. Spurs
2. Hornets
3. Jazz
4. Nets
Teams 0-10 n their last 10:
Toronto
We are now the Detroit Pistons!
Niang constantly being the only dude who gives a shit is a weird dynamic
Rock bottom. Nothing working at all. Three dumb turnovers trying to feed Evan / JA and it was over – need to be crisper and every possession matters.
Rather have rock bottom in March vs the Heat game last week which had good stuff and was defensible.
Gotta grow up. JB finally losing it and yanking the starters might get someone’s attention. Stop fucking around on offense and overpassing. attack / execute.
I don’t don’t get an. “Every possession matters” vibe from that crew.
gotta get punched in the mouth a few more times to get there for DG and the rest. Strus and Don seem to get it.
Yep.
I wonder if this was a game where the players are trying to get the coach fired. Much like the Bucks and Adrian Griffin.
get some rest
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HORNETS WILL PROBABLY SWEEP US NEXT 2 GAMES—-AND THAT WILL BE THE SEASON 😡😡🍺🍺
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a hardway 2-2 next four, drop one to CHA and somehow beat Denver.
Everyone starts the playoffs 0-0.
Guys gotta wake up
I’m glad we paid Garland all that money.
I am told constantly that garland is just having a bad year. lol
He took the money and ran.
😂😂😂😂 losing by almost 40 points.
Bye bye mitchell. Jb’s lame duck session this year screws us out of any chance of him staying. Monumental mistake that may well cost us any championship window we had the potential to develop.
Everyone signs the extension. Relax. He’ll sign, get a new coach and then will demand a trade if it’s not working after he signs the extension.
We have zero indication that JB’s job is on the line this year.
All indications are it’s on the playoffs
You should be pleased with JB yanking DG and the starters so early.
BEEN POSTING SINCE ALL STAR BREAK OF CONCERNS WITH THIS TEAM AND THAT WAS WHEN THEY WERE RATHER HEALTHY———— OTHER TEAMS HAVE “ AMPED “ UP THEIR PLAY ——CAVS HAVE NOT OR ARE NOT CAPABLE——- DONT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT INJURIES /GOING TO TAKE TIME——- THOSE ARE “ HOLLOW—OLD ALIBI s “ —— THIS TEAM IS NOT MENTALLY—PHYSICALLY TOUGH ENOUGH——THE FEW WINS WE HAVE WERE OF THE “ MIRACULOUS “ VARIETY————I KEEP HOPING—- BUT WHEN YOU ENDURE A GAME LIKE TONIGHT—— HOPE IS FLEETING
Glad I couldn’t see it.
That’s a terrible call.
@natesmith Great write up. Really excellent summary of the play and impacts we’re seeing lately. I’ve also noticed a change in the demeanor of the bench, as far as that goes. Like, if it’s the last 2 minutes of the quarter, shooters stop putting their hands up to receive the ball. That’s bs and I don’t think JB is keeping this team together as he has in the past. Hope to be proven wrong. Go cavs
SOFT this team us a december january juggernaut and thats it. Turning the ball over like a HS team
Sadly I think it can get lower than now. They are not competing . JB will get fired at end of the year which is not a bad thing.
Should be fired before the end of this quarter. Worst coach for a team that needs to prepare for anything except a scrimmage
Should have been fired after playoffs last year.
I’m hoping it happens before the.
CAVS “SPIRALING “ DOWN IN PLAYOFF SEEDING—- BUT HEY WE ARE MOVING UP IN OUR DRAFT POSITIONING…………….I NEED “ MORE BEER 🍺 PLEASE “
Cavs need Mobley
injurednot playing and Wade, Strus and Mitchell backLol at 39 points
JFC what a disaster.
Cheeks Niang.
Way to stay in motion, Darius.
I hate to say it but Cavs need more. Marcus morris
LeVert grinding.
MIAMI TAKING CAVS TO “ THE WOODSHED “ —— NOT DOING ANYTHING TO CHANGE MY “ 1st ROUND PLAYOFF EXIT PREDICTION “ 😡
Miami nightlife undefeated.
This team is garbage without Mitchell
Honestly feeling the same way right now…. 44 points in the 3rd quarter in an NBA game in 2024 ? Not worth watching another loss.
Oof. This team.
Jimmy grifting for two more.
Nice d. Porter. Baseline again for Miami though.
Can’t keep giving up the baseline.
CPJ early. Good sign.
wtf happened to Strus and Wade? Are they ever coming back?
Cavs training staff strikes again.
Merrill makes the easy pass. Niang three.
Where is your team
Nice Marcus.
What is Garland doing?
Oof. Darius.
FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN SO FAR—— DG DIDN T READ YOUR WRITE UP AND UPGRADE/ CHANGE HIS GAME
Well I’m not quite sure he had time in the 5 minutes before tipoff.
Cavs looking outclassed so far.
Mobley has to stop overpassing
Love that Mobley has been using his injury time to Powe up his J.