Hell’s Catapult
2012-01-18Like when the trees sprout small green buds and the first spores of pollen inflame ever so slightly the inside of an allergic’s nose, causing him to sneeze, I feel dread. I know the sentiment is expressed only in cautious murmurs at the moment, but let me address the thimble-sized elephant in the room: if the Cavs slip into the playoffs this season, the slate that Chris Grant scrubbed clean following LeBron’s departure last summer will begin to yellow.
This sounds counterintuitive, but in the NBA, Purgatory is not unlike Hell. The difference is Hell comes with a catapult. A .500 record and an eight seed afford a team the ability to draft Rodney Stuckeys and Robin Lopezes: players who can contribute to a good team, but should not, under any circumstances, be tasked with shouldering a team’s scoring load or playing 37 minutes a game. The problem is most .500 teams aren’t a Rodney Stuckey away from competing for a championship. The Cavaliers certainly aren’t. Which is why they need another year with access to Hell’s catapult. They need a selection in the top five of the upcoming NBA Draft.
I argue this because I subscribe to the theory that it’s incredibly difficult to compete for a championship without a superstar. This is based on what I’ve seen transpire over the last decade in the NBA. Here’s a list of the best (and, yes, in a couple cases one can quibble over my choices, but bear with me for a moment)Â player on each of the last 20 teams to make the NBA Finals, with the winning team on the left and the losers on the right:
2001-02: Shaquille O’Neal (Lakers) v. Jason Kidd (Nets)
2002-03: Tim Duncan (Spurs) v. Jason Kidd (Nets)
2003-04: Chauncey Billups (Pistons) v. Shaquille O’Neal (Lakers)
2004-05: Tim Duncan (Spurs) v. Chauncey Billups (Pistons)
2005-06: Dwyane Wade (Heat) v. Dirk Nowitzki (Mavs)
2006-07: Tim Duncan (Spurs) v. LeBron James (Cavs)
2007-08: Kevin Garnett (Celtics) v. Kobe Bryant (Lakers)
2008-09: Kobe Bryant (Lakers) v. Dwight Howard (Magic)
2009-10: Kobe Bryant (Lakers) v. Rajon Rondo (Celtics)
2010-11: Dirk Nowitzki (Mavs) v. LeBron James (Heat)
Most of these squads were well-constructed teams with good coaches, talented role players, and even multiple All-Stars, but they also, with the exception of the Pistons teams that made back-to-back Finals in 2004 and 2005 and the 2009-10 Boston Celtics, had at least one of the five best players in the league. I don’t think the data lies here: a team needs an elite talent to have more than a slim chance of making the NBA Finals.
The question, then, if we accept that point, is whether or not we think Kyrie Irving will become an elite talent. Predicting with any certainty what level Irving will be playing at in three or four years is like predicting the finds of a spelunking expedition without much knowledge beyond “it’s a big cave.” It’s imprudent to assume any rookie will grow into the next Chris Paul or Dwyane Wade, and a team can’t really know if they have a franchise player on their roster until he becomes one. For every Derrick Rose, there are even more Chris Boshes and Pau Gasols—players who, at a young age, exhibit the potential to become superstars, but instead become excellent second and third options. There’s no shame in being Russell Westbrook-ish, but there’s also no reason for the Cavs to assume a 19 year-old who’s looked promising in 13 professional games is a savior.
And if the ceiling for Irving ranges from “pretty darn good” to “transcendent,” then Tristan Thompson hopscotches through the rubric. Right now, he’s a baby-faced stalk of thunder without name. He has immense athleticism and toughness, but little skill. He might emerge from the gym a few summers from now with a face-up game and a 17-footer, start posting 15-9, and anchor a Cavalier defense that ranks sixth in the league. He might finish right behind Dwight Howard in the Defensive Player of the Year voting. He might never figure it out. He might be an eighth man. He might make me start disliking Canada. (It would be all his fault.) He will probably be something else entirely. A combination between Serge Ibaka and a marmoset that breaks my vocabulary.
My point is you can’t bank on players who imbibe illegally. Reality can take flame to projections. If the success of a small-market team depends principally on luck in the draft, and if a player who imprints himself upon the NBA landscape like a meteor comes along only once every couple of years, then teams like Cleveland, Sacramento, and Milwaukee should want two shots at picking in the top five.
Here’s a (subjective) list of players drafted over the last decade who are capable of being the best player on a championship contender* and their draft position:
LeBron James (2003, 1st overall)
Carmelo Anthony (2003, 3rd overall)
Dwyane Wade (2003, 5th overall)
Dwight Howard (2004, 1st overall)
Deron Williams (2005, 3rd overall)
Chris Paul (2005, 4th overall)
Kevin Durant (2007, 2nd overall)
Derrick Rose (2008, 1st overall)
And that’s it. That’s the list. Anyone else needs either an outstanding supporting cast (like Rondo had in 2009-10) or to play alongside a superstar (like Blake Griffin is with CP3) to have legitimate title hopes. LaMarcus Aldrige is one of my favorite non-Cavaliers in the NBA, and the Blazers are a talented team, but his chances of playing in the NBA Finals dipped significantly the moment Brandon Roy’s (6th overall, by the way) knees started expressing contempt for everyone who enjoyed watching Roy play basketball.
It’s important to note that none of the guys listed above were drafted outside the top 5. Plenty of good players get drafted later, obviously: Amare Stoudemire (9th), Joe Johnson (10th), Rudy Gay (8th), Rajon Rondo (21st), et al. But the ones who act as the keystones on championship squads are almost always drafted in that first handful of selections. Having more ping pong balls means a better chance at landing Carmelo, not Amare; Durant, not Gay—players between which the distinctions are crucial.
So, I propose a strange rally cry: continue bottoming out, Cavaliers! Flip Andy Varejao for assets. Flip Antawn Jamison into Lake Erie. Flip off. Let’s party. Let the young guys run around. Free Skyenga! (Then probably cut Skyenga.) Accumulate “moral victories.” Build camaraderie through misery. Lose entertainingly. Lose spectacularly. Dominate a game and then forfeit with eight seconds left. Go stupidly into that good night. Binge drink on badness.
Then, after the smell of burnt hair dissipates, sober up. Assemble a table of People Who Know What They’re Doing. Pore over scouting reports. Hold workouts. Scrutinize. (It’s very important that you scrutinize.) Watch game tape. Interview dudes. Sweat over ping pong balls. Watch more game tape. Scrutinize again. Consult college coaches. Consult scouts. Take other smart people out to dinner and consult them. Assemble your war room. Field trade offers. Don’t waver. Then make the pick. Make sure you believe in it.
It sounds exhausting. I’m sorry it sounds so exhausting. But you’re building a skyscraper. Those things take time and steel. The Cavaliers have plenty of one.
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*The way that I did this, in my head, was by looking at the Kobe-led Lakers of 2008-09, and asking the question: “If you replaced Kobe with [Player X], would that Laker team still make it to the Finals?” So, for example, I think if you replaced 2008-09 Kobe with present-day Derrick Rose, that Laker team still makes the Finals. If you replace 2008-09 Kobe with present-day Russell Westbrook? I think LA falls a little bit short. For someone like Dwight Howard, who isn’t a guard, I plugged Howard into the center slot, took Andrew Bynum off the team, and replaced Kobe’s shooting guard spot with a 2008-09 Bynum-level shooting guard (so, like, Kevin Martin or whomever). It’s a little convoluted and obviously subjective, but I think it works pretty well.
In no universe is Carmelo a championship player. Sweet Jesus…
Little late to this party but is there really a chance that anyone here sees of the Cavs making the playoffs? I cannot believe its possible with this lineup. Lottery is a lock.
I’d way rather be having this conversation than complaining about how much the Cavs are paying Larry Hughes to stink it up and take a bunch of shots in the hopes of finding the longed-for #2 scoring option to LeBron. I hope that Bryon Scott finds the right combination in the Cavs locker room and on the court to really make this work as a team effort. Keep Boobie around and if Varajao can stick through tough couple of years, why not keep him around? He’s a great player and Jamison (the final ghost of Larry Hughes syndrome, as far… Read more »
Oops, I forgot Kidd’s on the list too (rondo too, but i won’t count that as Garnett was easily the better player during their playoff run), but he’s also one of the worse players on the list as well. And none of those guys were stopping points of the offense the way a rose, melo, paul, or iverson like are. For Kyrie to not fall into the trap of thinking he has to carry the offense every time down he’ll need players around him that humble him on offense. If he ends up like Rose or Paul in that way… Read more »
@Tom, I did in fact mean if it was easy it wouldn’t be fun. Any competition that is not hard loses a lot of its interest. If the cavs had an easy season where they won every game by 20 points it would be fun, but nba championships were easy things in general to win no one would care. If the cavs won every game by 20 points for 10 years I would probably stop paying attention entirely. You want the league to be competitive, you want the championship to be worth fighting for, and you want to see your… Read more »
There are a lot of possibilities as the what could happen if the Cavs traded Anderson Varejao. My biggest concern is that it would be hard to replace his skillset, especially when you consider his reasonable contract. His contract is favorable both dollar-wise and length-wise. He’s not just a bird in hand. He’s a bird in hand with a hard to replace skillset at a reasonable price.
The problem with arguing that each championship team / contender must have a superstar, is that superstars are defined by bringing their team to the championship. So – if you bring your team to the championship, you are inevitably one of the top 5 players… (like Jason kidd or Chauncey Billups for example), whereas if you lose in the first round, you’re dismissed as not good enough (Tracy McGrady, for example). SO – this is completely self-fulfilling.
When I say worth more, by the way, I mean worth more by way of odds and knowledge. There is the potential I’m 100% wrong and whoever is drafted at #8 or 7 or whatever turns out to be the best player ever, but that’s much less likely than them turning out to be mediocre, and of equal value to someone you could get a few picks later. This whole debate reminds me of Moneyball – basically you have to place value on a certain situation, and examine it as such. Is Andy’s talent equal to the value of whatever… Read more »
Bryan, I think you’re completely, 100% right about the situation – it is complex, and there is no definitive answer. I think that’s why the reactions on here about standing pat are so charged – right now we know what we have, where as if we were to trade Andy, who knows what could happen. Yes, both your hypotheticals yield some serious uncertainty, but we do know, at least to some degree, what we currently have. That’s more than we can say if we trade Andy for a mysterious pick, and wait as we potentially tank and pray on winning… Read more »
I think this debate essentially comes down to whether we want to trade Varejao. Most of us agree trading Jamison and/or Sessions makes sense. The decision to trade AV, then, comes down to evaluating the following question: Is a team built around KI, TT, no Vaerjao, (roughly) the 8th pick in next year’s draft, and (roughly) a mid-first rounder in some future draft (from trading AV) more likely to win a championship than a team built around KI, TT, Varejao and (roughly) the 12th pick this year? I fail to see how anyone can have such a definitive opinion on… Read more »
What HoopsDogg said.
@matt – “if it was easy it wouldn’t be fun?” Seriously what? I can’t comprehend that going to need you to either elaborate, tell me that was an autocorrect typo, or tell me you meant playing MegaMan3 not watching Cleveland Sports.
HoopsDog,
Thanks for bringing your insight into this. It’s not about where you draft good players as much as that you at some point do draft them. Good scouting( see Tristan Thompson pick) and extra opportunities(seven first rounders in the next four years) are also big factors in being able to do so.
The T-Wolves have nine lottery picks on their current roster, seven of which were between sixth and second picks, with three being second overall picks.
It’s time to sit back and enjoy what the Cavs have done so far. The team’s current talent level, especially Irving’s, will serve as a great equalizing mechanism as far as the draft is concerned. Players like LeBron, and Durant with Westbrook were not able to take their teams from the early lottery to the playoffs in one year. If the Irving led Cavs make the playoffs it will probably mean that they already have their big time star to lead them forward. If they fall short they will get a better position in the lottery and increase their chances… Read more »
“Here’s a (subjective) list of players drafted over the last decade who are capable of being the best player on a championship contender* and their draft position: LeBron James (2003, 1st overall) Carmelo Anthony (2003, 3rd overall) Dwyane Wade (2003, 5th overall) Dwight Howard (2004, 1st overall) Deron Williams (2005, 3rd overall) Chris Paul (2005, 4th overall) Kevin Durant (2007, 2nd overall) Derrick Rose (2008, 1st overall) The fact that none of those players save Wade have won a championship shows how flawed your list is. Manu Ginobili was the 57th pick of NBA in 1999. Tony Parker was the… Read more »
Matt — While I agree that getting into the playoffs as an 8 seed isn’t worth it (and I’m 100% on board with you about that, make no mistake) I think you’re missing what I meant by what I wrote before. We can’t intentionally tank. You (and DK) touched on it when you said losing culture isn’t easy to kick – I would go farther and say that losing culture is the hardest thing to shed as an NBA team. Look at teams like the Warriors, the Clippers, etc. etc. These teams have perennially been terrible, drafted high often, and… Read more »
Perfect read. I can’t convince my friend that 8th seed would be awful, I’ll have to send him this article. And Mallory, “VERY high risk, low reward strategy.” what is the high risk? We won’t be the 8th seed and get embarressed by Miami or Chicago? Thats not risking anything if you ask me, and every spot you fall lower increases your odds significantly of drafting higher. Yes, we lucked out like crazy last year, but it would be folly to assume the 2% chance is going to beat the 25% on a regular basis. The problem is you can’t… Read more »
Great essay — and this is what the blog, besides being a solid site to read game summaries, should be at its best with. Thanks for a good read.
Haha DK and I are apparently on the same page.
I have been worried about the same thing. However, I offer a few counterpoints: 1) Its waaay to early to see how good/bad this team is. Even though when I look at teams with worse records and I think we’re definitely better than them its too early to tell. 2) The lottery is literally a crapshoot. We got the #1 pick last year off a pick that was projected to be at #7 or #8 I believe. Therefore, intentionally sucking to get a higher pick is folly–especially when they may or may not turn out. 3) To that end we… Read more »
Also, just to tack this on about the 2007 draft, as we all know, Oden went #1, furthering my point that nothing is a given, and it’s extremely risky to assume we’re going to get a home run with whatever high pick we could land.
Just enjoy the ride and stop worrying. At least we’re (somewhat) relevant again.
I was literally thinking this moments before I read this article. I decided to look at some mock drafts, just to get an idea of where people have this draft class falling (specifically Sully!!!) and it sort of hit me – we’re drafting waaaayyyy too late. Obviously I knew we were doing well in relation to the rest of the league, but this is absurd. Someone break Andy’s hand or trip Kyrie and sprain his ankle or something. But seriously, I think Alex nailed it – it’s a little too early to start sounding the alarm. The season is VERY… Read more »
Great read…I agree with mostly all of your article. I just don’t want to let go of Andy. If we do end up having the opportunity to draft an up and coming Center, who better to mentor the kid than Andy? His level of effort and energy is unmatched by anyone in the NBA (IMO). His attitude and motor is exactly what you want out of a player at any position. Imagine Tristan Thompson with Andy’s ability to cut to the hoop at the right moment or how well he plays the pick n roll with KI? Or Andy’s ability… Read more »
The ping-pong ball concept just generally sucks.
The worst 6 teams shouldn’t be ranked at all.
Even worse in the NFL.
When I read stuff like “Colts can lock in the number 1 spot” – that simply hurts….
Any chance we can have a shot at landing Brook Lopez? Looks like the Nets are not going to extend him, and we have a piece in Jamison with a large expiring contract that could be off their books at the end of the year in order to sign Howard if he does not get traded by the deadline. Without Lopez healthy, the Nets have not enough assets to get Howard, or to keep Deron. Meanwhile, the Cavs may care less if Lopez plays any this season, and may prefer not to have him play…
I have three basic thoughts on this. First, I agree that it takes alot of luck for a market like Cleveland to build a champion. Second, I agree with Alex. I still think the Cavs will end up in the mid-lottery. I know they’ve played 10 road games against 4 home games, but they have been as healthy or healthier than every team in the league, they’ve played relatively poor teams, and the schedule hasn’t been too hyper-aggressive yet. The Cavs have 22 back-to-backs on the schedule this year and have only played 3 of them. Tuesday on the secnod… Read more »
How depressing is this seriously? Look at Portland. Oh, your future franchise center is going to just never play for you, your future hall of fame SG is going to retire at 25. That future you thought u had with all-stars at SG, PF, and C? poof. We had 7 years of the best player in the NBA and couldn’t win. Denver had 8 years of Melo and tons of talent around him and couldn’t win, OKC hasn’t even made it to the conference finals with Kevin Durant, easily the best college player in decades, and NO couldn’t win with… Read more »
Liked the writing, and you make a compelling argument. A few thoughts: Wow, did you just make Dan Gilbert’s and every other whiny owners point. Reading this is DEPRESSING. It’s like the Cavs have 3 chances, and all of them are less likely than Frodo destroying the ring. So the first chance is to draft a future top-50 all-time HoF-er of which about 1 comes out every 1.5 years. But that’s not enough. Then, you need to suck ass despite having this sort of talent infusion so that you get an all-star the very next year. Then you need to… Read more »
Great Post.
Flip Jamison into Lake Erie Rofl
I think there are three main factors contributing to the Cavs relative success so far: 1) Having KI and TT on the team, which has added talent and energized guys like Jamison to play decently. 2) An easy schedule. Look at the Cavs’ results and name one good win, I dare you. They haven’t beaten a team over .500 yet this year and have the second easiest SOS at this point in the season. The next month will be tough and I expect the losses to pile up against teams like Miami (3x), Chicago, Dallas, Boston (2x), Orlando, the Clippers,… Read more »
Agreed with everything but trading Varejao for assets, at this point. If anything this season has shown that the Cavs aren’t as far away as we thought they might be from being relevent again. Andy is never going to be more than the 3rd or 4th best player on a championship team so keep him around through next season and see where we’re at. I’m not sure what the return would be for Jamison but I’d trade him asap for whatever they can get. No sense in letting his contract expire unless they intend to sign Sessions to a long… Read more »
I very much agree with this. Forward to CG.
My sentiments exactly. When I look at the list of teams with worse records than us, my heart sinks. As presently constructed, with Andy running wild and Kyrie ever-improving, I think we’re better. We need to draft in the top 7. By any means necessary.