Recap: Cavs 91, Knicks 81
2012-01-25Mmmmmmmhm! Â That was one of the more enjoyable Cavs games this season, and not just because it was a win. Â Except for a few bad apples (Razor Ramon, anyone?) the team was firing on all cylinders on both sides of the ball, and really did a great job of holding New York’s “big three” in check. Â Granted, that might be because they’re really not such a big three, but whatever, it was a good win, and you really can’t ask for more.
Before we get to the good, the bad, and the rest, I want to lay out one point in mathematical terms…
Anderson Varejao >>>>>>>> Everyone else.
Really, I could end this recap here and anyone who watched the game would understand exactly what I meant. Â But alas, you’re not that lucky.
The Good
Andy – The good absolutely has to start with Andy. Â He was simply amazing on D. Â Not only did Andy do his regular disruption act near the basket, he had two blocks and four steals to boot. Â Furthermore, by the end of the game he was clearly starting to get into Tyson Chandler’s head. Â Chandler, who thrives on muscling himself inside the basket without the ball, and then receiving a pass to slam it home, was having a hard time getting Andy out of the way. Â Â And it wasn’t just Andy’s D that was great. Â Varejao added 16(!!!)Â rebounds (8 on O, 8 on D) and 10 points. Â Andy did have 5 TOs, but that’s forgivable considering how many second chances and extra possesions he was able to get the team. Â This was the prototypical Andy game, and really showed what the Cavs were missing last year with him out.
Antawn Jamison – Every time we start to bitch about this guy, he pulls one of these games out and makes us (or at least me) double check myself a bit. Â Sure, he’s usually pretty worthless on D, and shoots waaaaay too much, but on nights like this it’s actually great having him on the team. Â Jamison scored a team high 15 points on 6-15 shooting (3-4 from downtown) and played passable D for most of the game. Â He started hot and slowed down, so his shooting % isn’t great, but I really think he was the catalyst to this game, and we owe a large chunk of this win to him.
Alonzo Gee’s defense – he really did a good job of keeping Melo in check. Â Whenever he was on the court, Melo was noticeably less comfortable taking shots. Â On the whole, the entire second unit really did a decent job on D (minus Razor Ramon. Â We’ll get to him in a minute.)
Kyrie Irving’s game management – I railed Irving two days ago for turning the ball over a lot and generally looking out of sorts while moving the ball around the court. Â I have to say he did a great job of slowing the game down a bit and making smart passes. Â His 7 assists (a bunch of those inside to Andy) were really smart, good passes. Â He even managed to turn the ball over just two times. Â But other than his game management, he had a forgettable game (more on that in a sec).
Omri Casspi’s dunk. Â Seriously, damn. Â He saw what Gee did last night and obviously decided “Hey, I think I could do that, but with my left hand!” Â Result: awesome.
(and note – Casspi played pretty dang well himself tonight. Â 13 points and some decent D on Melo – I’ll take it)
The Bad –
Ramon Sessions – This has to be the low point, right? Â 1-5 shooting (he hit a WIDE open 3. Â But my heart stopped when he took the shot anyway), two turnovers, and some seriously awful D. Â He let Mike Bibby hit a shot. Â MIKE BIBBY!!!! Â If you watched close, you could see Ramon fail on defending the P&R, lagging way too far off his man, and completely blowing his assignment. Â He had 5 assists, but that’s probably because he realized he can’t shoot anymore, and just started dishing it inside to Andy.
Kyrie Irving game minus his game management – He had his worst shooting day since his first game as a pro and kept getting pulled out of position on D. Â Did anyone else notice how often Kyrie ended up underneath the basket, guarding Chandler, with his guy completely open on the wing? Â I counted that happening at least 3 times. Â There’s no way 6-2 Irving should ever defend 7-1 unless it’s as a circus act.
The Rest
I don’t really want to call it good, because the sample size was pretty small, but Ryan Hollins is actually starting to look like a real NBA player! Â He shot 4-4 for 9 points and played some nice D on Chandler. Â If he hadn’t picked up 4 fouls in just over 11 minutes (!!!) we might be able to say he could win some playing time…
Again, I don’t really think he’s worthy of a good (3-7 shooting isn’t very good) but Samuels had another decent game off the bench. Â If Samuels and Hollins can become reliable second unit bigs we could see ourselves staying competitive in a lot more games.
This isn’t about the Cavs, but was I the only one who saw the 10ish minutes that Melo decided to play point forward/distributer? Â He did a pretty nice job, and ended up with 6 assists. Â Other than that, and the fact that Amare pretty much had his way on offense, the Knicks stunk pretty bad. Â I’m really tired of hearing Shumpert’s name (I do live in NYC, though…) and the big 3 definitely don’t look so big.
The next game is the lowly Nets. Â Maybe we can get ourselves a nice little winning streak.
Until then, enjoy!
Yeah, good point, Kevin. that’s another thing. No team in win-now mode is going to be able to give us a lottery pick. So you’re left hoping for a Rudy Gay or an Andre Iguodala for Varejao – but of course, then taking on a bad contract. Just doesn’t seem like there is enough value back.
Also John, Denver, Houston and Philly are three of my league pass teams and I live in Indianapolis, so I watch each of these team’s pretty frequently. Obviously none are going to NBA champions, but each has a decent amount of young, quality players picked up in the mid to late first round, or through smart trades and free agent signings. Most of Denver’s team this year is not from teh Carmelo trade. Of their top 7 in minutes, only Danilo Gallinari came from that trade. Evan Turner is Philly’s one really high pick, and it’s still not for certain… Read more »
John,
Obviously I concede that lottery picks are better than non-lottery picks. Isn’t doubtful that the Cavs can get a lottery pick for Varejao though, unless they take back some really bad contracts? The Cavs got really lucky to win the lottery from the 8th spot and get Irving; we should all feel fortunate for that and only Mo Williams was traded. Andy Varejao isn’t Mo Williams and I’d rather have Varejao than “dice roll on a star plus really bad contract”.
@Brooklyn Cavalier – I usually just watch at my apartment – generally when I go to a spots bar to watch i get strange looks from the guys controlling the TVs. I’ve never found a great Cleveland Cavs bar, but I know there’s a Browns Backers bar on 92nd and 2nd on the upper east side, and they’ve always been somewhat receptive to my desires to watch a game when I’ve gone in.
@Mallory, any good spots for watching cavs games in nyc?
Mayo was just an example. Who knows what a new situation would motivate him to do. I suppose we could just roll with the offensive and defensive excellence of Anthony Parker and 6 foot shooting guard Boobie Gibson for the time being. Maybe the Cavs will be offered something more.
Memphis pick would be around 20, with ours could be packaged to move up or draft one of these steals you guys are praying for.
I guess a better question would be what is your alternative – what value would Varejao bring if we keep him through 2015?
Definitely doesn’t guarantee success but I think you have a much better chance at grabbing a star with a lottery pick than not. Even the Pistons championship team had 3. Philly, Portland, Indiana, and Denver haven’t been out of the first round of the playoffs in years, much less contend for a title. And Denver was fortunate enough to get the heads up from the Melo deal in order to build the way they have. The goal is to win a championship right? I don’t see Houston doing that without another star. I want the Cavs to be at more… Read more »
John I want nothing to do with OJ Mayo. Guy is an average NBA tweener that plays crappy defense and at 24 already has a nice little resume of questionable off-court incidents. He’s Ricky Davis with less talent. You want to give up Varejao for him? You know Memphis’ pick won’t be good for the next few years right? Weren’t you just saying we don’t want mid-round mediocre starters?
John,
Philly, Portland, Indiana, Denver and Houston are a handfull of teams that have built themselves to a decent level with one star (or less) and a bunch of mid-round starters. I think Paul George, as the 10th pick, is the highest drafted player on Indiana’s roster.
Doesn’t it say something that the trade you proposed with Memphis involves them trading the 3rd pick from the 2008 draft plus another draft pick? Lottery picks don’t guarantee stars.
If I hear one more person say that we should keep Varejao, I’m going to throw up. The guy is 29 going on 30 and is having the best season of his career. He is in his prime and is outplaying his salary, which is contracted for the next 3 years after this season. He has missed significant time due to injury in 4 out of 7 seasons but currently seems to be fully healthy. What about that doesn’t scream that the highest value he will ever hold is RIGHT NOW? The Cavs are not a RIGHT NOW team. Would… Read more »
Tyson has a 69% FG. Not too shabby on offense. And, he doesn’t have any semblance of an offense to set him up. Yes, it mostly consists of put backs and dunks but the Knicks offense is not suffering because of him.
It’s suffering because Melo is a black hole and brings nothing to the table except a handful of buckets.
Well, yeah, the Melo trade killed them. That’s my point about Chandler. The Melo trade left them so thin they’d have been much better spreading the money around to 2 or 3 positions than overpaying one guy. They had huge holes at the 1, the 4 or 5, and every position on the bench.
I agree that Stoudemire is more efficient on offense, but I think he’s a big liability on D and really injury prone. He’s definitely not a true center like Chandler, and if we’ve learned one thing over the last few years, it’s that you need a good center to win championships. I really think the heart of the Knicks’ problem is D’Antoni. He’s just really not that good of a coach. I think you’re overrating how good Chauncey Billups is. He’s definitely not worth the minutes he would have played. Baron is a definite upgrade there. I think the heart… Read more »
Argh. No. Chandler was a TERRIBLE signing. He’s had one healthy season in the past three, he plays the same position (Center) as Stoudemire (statistically, Stoudemire is much better at center, and his numbers this season prove it). He’s an overpaid roleplayer. Plus they got rid of the one thing that is absolutely required for a Mike D’Antoni offense: a good point guard. They would have been immensely better getting Chuck Hayes, Jamal Crawford, and Deshawn Stevenson for the the same price or less.
Chandler really wasn’t a bad signing for the Knicks. In fact, I would go so far as to say he’s really the only smart move they’ve made in the past few years. He’s a tough defender and gets into most other centers heads. Andy doesn’t have the muscle or height that Chandler does, but he’s got more heart. Really, they play very different types of the center game. It’s hard to compare an energy guy like Andy to a mammoth like Chandler. We can all agree, though, that Amare will certainly be viewed as a mistake in a few years.… Read more »
I often read the True Hoop blog of the Cavs opponent. After today’s game, the Knick’s blog called Varejao “Sideshow Bob”, a “flopping brazilian”, “a parasite that grows under your skin”, and a “flopping imp of the perverse”. I can understand their frustration; it must be like buying a DVD for $20 and then hearing a friend say they bought the DVD / Bluray combo pack for $15. Tyson Chandler at 4 years, $55 million must look like a really poor value when you see him get dominated by a guy signed for 4 years and $35 million (and a… Read more »
Gee can’t play the 2 unless you put him with a 3 who has some handles. Gee’s probably a 3 forever, guarding the other team’s best perimeter player. Have to agree with Tom that trading Andy would be a travesty. The guy is an all star in my book, and practically an irreplaceable player. The only way you trade him is if you get all star in return. But only one with the heart of a lion. God I loved watching him tick Chandler off. How about Parker contributing? Kyrie had his worst game of the season scoring (besides the… Read more »
haha that was the wrong link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1TxKt19NdM
I mean, how is Alonzo Gee even still alive? http://www.petitiononline.com/sprtremx/petition.html
Trying to figure out what we have here with Gee. Feels like a really solid backup SG that could play here for a long time. I love guys that play D and he has shown some skill this year as well. He’s been way better than I expected – he seems to be making better decisions on offense and has started hitting enough 3s to keep the defense honest. He’s only 24, and can be had for song, so I think he should be a part of the Cavs future. Varejao is so valuable. I really don’t think the Cavs… Read more »
Watching Antawn kills me. I forget when in the game this was, but the cavs were rolling, and Kyrie gave it up to him on the elbow during a fast break, and he bricked a 21 footer with like 21 seconds on the shot clock. He brings almost nothing to the table at this point. I hope someone is desperate enough to give us something – anything – for him at the deadline.
Also, I think Ryan Hollins looks like he’s a real pest out there. He noticeably pisses off some opposing players, including Bosh last night.