2011 Draft Update
2012-02-24As the Cavs:the Blog draft expert in 2011, I thought a lot about the eligible group of incoming players. Now that half of their rookie seasons are complete; it’s interesting to see who is meeting expectations or struggling. Below, I offer a ranking of all the drafted players.
It’s “Subjectively objective”, I use three numbers that attempt to quantify total player contribution. Though not perfect, Player Efficiency Rating (PER), Win Shares per 48 minutes (WS/48), and Adjusted plus –minus (Adj +/-) each have value. As a broad overview:
- PER – As developed by John Hollinger of ESPN, this number strives to define a player’s per-minute, pace-adjusted performance. It is calibrated so that 15 is average. Below ten is poor, above twenty is excellent.
- Win Shares per 48 minutes – Basketball-reference.com calculates this number using Offensive and Defensive ratings developed by Dean Oliver. Average equals 0.100. I’ll say that below 0.05 is bad and above 0.150 reflects exemplary performance.
- Adjusted plus / minus –The outcome of every lineup matchup that takes place in every NBA game is represented as an equation. Tens of thousands of these, summarizing the actual result of each lineup matchup, are solved for 400-ish variables. The variables are each NBA player. The value derived for each player represents their value in points per 100 possessions, compared to an average player. An average player has adjusted +/- of zero. Positive values are good. Also included (in parentheses) is the standard deviation for each player’s adjusted plus-minus. Players with a (U) have not logged enough minutes to qualify, and the net change of their team’s scoring margin per 100 possessions with them on the court is included instead.
Some players worth noting:
Kyrie Irving – His 18 points and 5 assists per game on 57% true shooting definitely provide early justification for selecting him first. His defense must improve though, an issue that the adjusted plus / minus is likely picking up on.
Nicola Vucevic & Jon Leuer – Vucevic provides an anchor at center for the 76ers “night shift” (second unit); scoring efficiently and rebounding for the first place team in the Atlantic Division. He’ll be a very solid contributor for a long time. From the 40th pick in the draft, Leuer has exceeded expectations, shooting well and rarely turning the ball over.
Isaiah Thomas – An emerging trend involves NCAA juniors and seniors springing to the top of my list. Obviously more seasoned, the older players’ impact is more immediate. At 23 years old, Thomas is making 29 NBA teams regret letting him slip to “Mr. Irrelevant” status. He’s only 5’9”, and there aren’t alot of shorter player that have played much better than he is right now…this could be his ceiling.
Chandler Parsons – Despite going #38, he’s fourth in minutes played, as the starting small forward on an 20 – 14 team. His box score numbers don’t jump off the page; in 26 minutes per game, he’s averaging 8 points, 5 rebounds and 2 assists. Offensively and defensively though, the Rockets have been better with him on the court. He doesn’t make mistakes, evidenced by fewer turnovers than steals, and he frequently defends the opponent’s best offensive wing. I recall commenter’s suggesting that the Cavs should pick Parsons at #32; those astute readers were right. Parsons is 23 years old and doesn’t have “upside”, but he’s helping his team win basketball games. That’s a successful 2nd round draft pick.
Marshon Brooks – Another “old” rookie; for perspective on the seniors discussed here, the NBA’s reigning MVP is only four months older than any of them. Despite not having the potential of younger players, I count at least six seniors drafted 25th or later (5 after 38) that are already NBA contributors. Though not terribly efficient, Brooks shows ability to create shots and score at a decent clip.
Josh Harrelson – He hasn’t been active since late January. When playing though, he stretched the floor, hustled and played error free (21 steals + blocks vs 20 fouls). Adjusted plus – minus loved what he had to offer.
Lavoy Allen – Another young big man that’s rebounding, finishing easy looks, and not making mistakes (1 turnover per 37 minutes).
Shelvin Mack – Per 36 minutes he’s notching 11, 5 & 5. He’s knocking down a few threes and playing tough defense. Every year, there are six or seven second round picks that become valuable contributors; he’s one staking an early claim this year.
Tristan Thompson – It’s still hard to tell exactly what the Cavs have with Thompson. He may never develop into more than a solid defense & rebounding big man that pitches in points on o-rebounds & from other’s assists. Is there anyone above him on my list, that I would definitely rather be on the Cavs? Actually no. When all is said and done, do I think he’ll end up as the second best player on the list? No to that, too. Like everyone else, I’m waiting to see where TT’s career goes.
Bismack Biyombo – He’s very young and not quite ready. He’s an athletic freak though and did have 7 blocks in a game last week.
Jan Vesely – My worst case draft day scenario involved the Cavs talking themselves into Vesely at #4. So far, he’s justified that sentiment. He’s committed more fouls than scored points. He rebounds as poorly as advertised, and none of this is encouraging from a player that will be 22 years old at the end of the season.
Jimmer Fredette – Not good for the Jimmer. His sieve like defense is not compensated for by his offense. The Kings 28th ranked defense is 8 points per 100 possessions worse with him on the court; the man he’s guarding rings up a 20+ PER. His eight points and two assists per game (in 21 minutes)…not enough.
Josh Selby – Two years ago as a prospect, he was considered equal with Kyrie Irving. Leading up to last year’s draft, a few teams were linked as potentially drafting him late in the first round. He’s followed his poor play at Kansas with abysmal play for the Grizzlies, resulting in recent demotion to the D-League.
Marcus Morris – Morris was largely regarded as a top 10 pick until draft day, when he slipped to 14th. Prior to the draft, he was viewed as the more refined Morris twin, with an array of post moves and a tough defender / capable rebounder. In the week leading up to the draft, he started talking about playing small forward in the NBA. This was confusing; maybe he was getting bad advice. He’s becoming more and more a perimeter player:
- Sophomore year – 11% of his field goal attempts were from three
- Junior year – 18% taken from long range
- In limited NBA time – four of ten shots are from the even deeper distance. He missed all four.
Most of this season has been spent in the D-League, where he’s been solid with 21 points and 8 rebounds in 30 minutes per game; 25% of his shots are from NBA 3-pt range though (he’s only making 26%). Draftexpress.com suggested his best-case was “David West with 3-pt range” and his worst-case was “Udonis Haslem”. He needs to get back to his basics and break out the three-point range when it’s game ready.
Jonas Valanciunas – How could I provide a 2011 draft update without mentioning the player that many Cavs fans wanted at #4? In 38 professional games this year, he’s playing 23 minutes and averaging 12 points, 8 rebounds and nearly 2 blocks. He’s still an amazingly efficient shooter, at 65% on field goals and 82% on free throws. Looking solely at his 11 Eurocup games, the numbers are similar but generally slightly worse. He’s still foul (almost 5 per 36 minutes in Eurocup games) and turnover prone (would rank 48th of 60 NBA centers), but this seems excusable from a 19 year old. At one year younger than TT, he’s still the one player I definitely would rather the Cavs had selected at #4.
I continue to hope that Thompson makes me look stupid for that.
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Here are my rankings. The actual draft order is in parantheses. Minutes played are also included. Take these rankings with a grain of salt. Its one-half of a condensed, accelerated season, based on a non-defined balance of four numbers. The rankings do not forecast who is the best future prospect, only the most effective this season. All numbers are through 02/22-ish.
Player Min PER WS/48 Adj +/-
- Kyrie Irving (1), CLE 868 20.7 0.141 -4.16 (8.77)
- Nicola Vucevic (16), PHI 425 18.4 0.185 4.78 (9.39)
- Jon Leuer (40), MIL 428 17.2 0.149 10.16 (8.22)
- Isaiah Thomas (60), SAC 626 16.8 0.106 -0.6 (7.08)
- Derrick Williams (2), MIN 627 13.9 0.094 4.13 (7.29)
- Chandler Parsons (38), HOU 856 12.5 0.083 4.84 (6.97)
- Marshon Brooks (25), NJ 761 16.3 0.065 -4.4 (9.70)
- Josh Harrellson (45) 296 12.4 0.107 20.3 (9.35)
- Lavoy Allen (50), PHI 367 15.1 0.168 2.37 (9.86)
- Alec Burks (12), UTA 324 14.7 0.071 11.84 (12.85)
- Kawhi Leonard (15), SAS 791 15.0 0.128 -13.78 (6.46)
- Markieff Morris (13), PHX 698 13.7 0.078 -5.8 (9.74)
- Enes Kanter (3), UTA 463 16.0 0.093 -15.98 (16.19)
- Kemba Walker (9), CHA 934 15.5 0.024 -12.64 (7.22)
- Brandon Knight (8), DET 1113 11.9 0.021 -6.18 (7.22)
- Kenneth Faried (22), DEN 233 22.5 0.222 -3.75 (U)
- Shelvin Mack (34), WAS 337 12.6 0.042 8.8 (15)
- Tristan Thompson (4), CLE 465 13.7 0.032 -5.84 (9.76)
- Norris Cole (28), MIA 705 11.2 0.055 -16.42 (9.43)
- Iman Shumpert (17), NYK 844 10.1 0.032 -5.46 (6.84)
- Klay Thompson (11), GSW 496 12.3 0.042 -12.56 (8.12)
- Bismack Biyombo (7), CHA 520 11.8 0.025 -8.42 (8.11)
- Jan Vesely (6), WAS 402 7.5 0.012 0.74 (8.68)
- Tobias Harris (19), MIL 213 18.7 0.141 6.35 (U)
- Jimmy Butler (30), CHI 151 16.8 0.219 -6.95 (U)
- Jordan Williams (36) 193 13.7 0.073 13.78 (U)
- A. Goudelock (46), LAL 288 10.6 0.058 -1.62 (U)
- JaJuan Johnson (27), BOS 181 16.2 0.109 -9.11 (U)
- Jimmer Fredette (10) 600 11.0 0.02 -14.89 (7.39)
- Reggie Jackson (24), OKC 322 10.2 0.023 -12.30 (10.62)
- Chris Singleton (18), WAS 621 7.7 0.029 -8.56 (7.65)
- Jordan Hamilton (26), DEN 73 20.6 0.115 13.69 (U)
- Vernon Macklin (52), DET 71 19.4 0.159 29.25 (U)
- Julyan Stone (Un), DEN 124 10.0 0.048 -2.99 (U)
- Charles Jenkins (44), GSW 156 10.7 0.058 -23.5 (U)
- E’Twaun Moore (55), BOS 219 8.7 0.029 -2.09 (U)
- Jeremy Tyler (39), GSW 65 13.2 0.099 -14.23 (U)
- Darius Morris (41), LAL 133 7.4 0.030 -13.34 (U)
- Cory Joseph (29) 191 7.2 -0.004 -17.79 (U)
- Trey Thompkins (37), LAC 89 11.7 0.006 -21.91 (U)
- Travis Leslie (47), LAC 39 13.7 0.041 -33.51 (U)
- Josh Selby (49), MEM 186 5.0 -0.094 -9.8 (U)
- Nolan Smith (21) 135 4.8 -0.077 -11.99 (U)
- Tyler Honeycutt (35), SAC 9 32.2 0.345 57.15 (U)
- DeAndre Liggins (53), ORL 14 22.7 0.250 19.25
- Marcus Morris (14), HOU 17 -4.0 -0.244 -18.65 (U)
- Justin Harper (32) 17 -7.5 -0.295 -55.83 (U)
- Kyle Singler (33), DET 0 0 0 0
- Keith Benson (48), ATL 0 0 0 0
- Jon Diebler (51), POR 0 0 0 0
That’s pretty strong. As with anything I think only time will tell. The draft isn’t an exact science but I, for one, really appreciate the way the cavs are approaching the future as an organization. Their commitment to drafting players who are coach able and talented is encouraging and I think TT is that. Can you imagine if we were sitting on Williams and Kanter right now? I think it’s time to let the Valanciunas thing go. The fact that I can comfortably spell his name is outrageously indicative that we have spent too much time on him already. It’s… Read more »
Kevin, I didn’t see yesterday’s game, but it’s awesome that Kyrie was MVP. Soon he’ll be playing in the big-boy, no-defense all-star game. Nupe, Dave, Hot Sauce, I’m not sure how you can say that Valanciunas’s numbers aren’t really good for a 19 year old playing good competition. His PER was 26 in his Euroleague games as an 18 year old last year and is 24 in Eurocup games as a 19 year old. His per 36 minute numbers in Eurocup this year are 16 points, 13 boards, 3 blocks on 63% field goal shooting. That’s really good; the Eurocup… Read more »
Speaking of the 2011 draft players, anyone watch Kyrie annihilate everyone in that game tonight? Yeah, yeah, no defense, all for fun. But that was impressive shooting. I think he made some new fans tonight.
I’m with Hot Sauce. This guys numbers are not great for the league he’s in (now adult version). He’ll only become the “one that got away” if TT cripples the Cavs in some fashion. I don’t think they need the scoring there if they get an athletic wing in the draft this year. Considering the pending deadline with Sessions and Jamison moving, the Cavs could climb back into the lottery hunt.
It’s hard to judge what kind of player JV will be once he gets to the NBA. Because of his youth, I’m assuming a lot of upside potential, but his current stats aren’t overly impressive. I read/heard a stat once that the best Euro league stats should be discounted by a minimum of 25% to try to get an understanding of how that player would optimally perform in the NBA. IF that’s even remotely true, then JV’s stats are still ‘respectible’ not enough to make a definite claim we should have taken him (yet). Because he is a good FT… Read more »
I am an empirical guy, but I continue to maintain that JV (a great stats guy) will be terrible in the NBA. I base this opinion completely on video footage, and how lame, slow and weak he looks relative to the average NBA athlete (which I recognize is silly. I just can’t see him succeeding in NBA).
I want the kyrie/sessions lineup to go away. I really hope it exists only to give Ramon extra playing time to make him more attractive for a trade.
Adjusted +/- can suffer from some strange anomalies in basketball. I’m glad you included it without focusing your analysis on it like some do. I like looking at PER vs opposing PER as well. In this regard, Kyrie is killing it. >+6 He also has a positive NET +/- meaning the Cavs are a better team with him on the court than off it (no small feat since the Cavs bench has been very capable this year). Interestingly the Cavs best lineup this year has only played together for 25 minutes. Irving-Gibson-Parker-Jamison-Varejao was +18 points in 25 minutes.