Recap: Cavs 87, Hawks 103
2012-03-18I have the privilege of covering the first post-trade deadline Cavs tilt. For a mid-season tussle between the sixth and tenth best teams in the East, this game includes some intrigue. Tristan Thompson starts at center for the first time, and Cleveland gets a look at D-League dynamo Donald Sloan, in his audition for back-up point guard duties.
Hopefully the Cavs give Sloan some decent minutes over the rest of the season. If there has been an “opportunity lost” this season, it’s not trying out random young guys. Within the re-building process, there are (ideally) only a couple of seasons to let unproven players strut their stuff. Last year is not for duplication; but Eyenga, Gee, Harris, Samuels and Harangody all saw significant floor time, and Cleveland found a player in Gee. Why the Cavs didn’t draft someone at #32 and #54 and why Manny Harris has only played 19 minutes this season is lost on me; did we need to see if Irving, Gibson, AND Sessions could make it work on the court at the same time? Or did Luke Harangody need to play back-up small forward for two games? Finally, most perplexingly, why is Ryan Hollins still in the NBA? Between Harris, two second round draft picks and now Sloan, maybe another unexpected rotation player could have been unearthed. With Sloan and Manny, there’s still a chance. In the near future, hopefully there aren’t any rotation minutes available for “walk-ons”, so might as well do it now. There’s actually been a pretty big NBA success story by a resurgent D-Leaguer this year…I can’t think of his name right now…he got a little press…Jeremy something. Anyways, hopefully Mr. Sloan proves capable of leading the second unit for a few months (or years). If not, the stakes were low.
The next month and a half could be painful. The Cavs have played the least games in the NBA; what that means obviously, is that they have the most left to play. Twenty-five games in forty days, with fourteen on the road, for a young and increasingly less-deep team is problematic. Who guessed that day-to-day respectability for Cleveland would hinge on Donald Sloan?
Regardless of how it goes, it’s only six weeks. Irving, Varejao, Gee, Thompson, one mid-lottery pick, three other top-forty selections (hopefully two rookies contribute next year) and a couple of solid free agents should have the Cavs battling in the East next year. Better things are on the horizon.
Now, onto today’s game…Things started poorly, as the starters took the Cavs to an early 11 – 19 deficit. When Jamison is missing (0 for 4 in 1st quarter), this unit just doesn’t score enough. The Hawks kept the ball moving and found a lot of open shooters, finishing the first frame five of seven from long range. Irving and Gee scored 15 of the Cavs 19 points. Irving was the real bright spot, registering 8 points without missing a shot, to go with 3 assists and no turnovers. The second quarter featured more of the same. Irving and Gee provided the only reliable offense, Joe Johnson looked too big for Gee to handle, and the Hawks were on fire from deep, leaving the half ahead 59 – 45. Irving and Gee combined for 26 of those 45. In the third, Atlanta’s long range bombing returned to this planet, and Cleveland actually chopped their deficit to 6 points late in the quarter. Irving moved the ball expertly, setting up shooters from deep and at the rim, largely benefitting Antawn, who tallied eleven points on the quarter. Unfortunately, the Cavs’ preferred second string today was Gibson, Parker, Casspi, Samuels and Thompson. That lineup is not going to score against NBA defenses; Atlanta started the fourth quarter on a 12 to 4 run and never looked back. No amazing fourth quarter heroics from Kyrie, and the Hawks won by a final score of 103 to 87.
Onto some bullets:
• Kyrie Irving had great command of the offense: 19 points on 14 shots with 10 assists and 2 turnovers. The “smoothness” of the Cavs offense drops by approximately 372% when point guard duties change from Irving to Gibson. With Gibson as PG, the Cavs completely function as a jump shooting team. For two stretches, the Cavs backcourt was Gibson, Parker, Casspi. These players all have a role in the NBA; unfortunately it’s all the same role – spotted up in the corner, waiting to drain an open three. Trying to run an NBA offense through those three is not possible (it didn’t help they were teamed with Thompson and Samuels).
• This brings me to Donald Sloan. I’m intrigued by Sloan. After four years at Texas A&M, he won MVP of the pre-draft Portsmouth Invitational in 2010. Apparently he’s an aggressive, scoring minded combo-guard, but he also exhibits decent court vision. Last year, in 54 D-League games he averaged 11 points on 50% field goal shooting, but also had a 2.5 to 1 assist to turnover ratio. In 8 games this year, his numbers increased to 22 points per game, still with 50% shooting (80% free throws) and 7.4 assists. Daniel Gibson should not be the back-up point guard; hopefully Sloan starts seeing 15 minutes a game ASAP. There is zero risk in letting this happen.
• Along the same lines of thinking; someone please explain Anthony Parker playing 34 minutes. We do know that Manny Harris and Donald Sloan are alive; they played one minute and twenty-one seconds of garbage time. Manny scored four points and Sloan assisted on one of those buckets. I don’t know how Parker’s 6 points on 3 of 10 shooting makes sense for the present or the future.
• Alonzo Gee tied a career high in scoring with 20 points to go beside 9 rebounds. He’s awesome. I counted at least three Sportscenter worthy dunks as part of his scoring onslaught.
• I’ve tried to be optimistic about Thompson…he’s twenty…he’s athletic and plays hard…etc, etc, etc. In nine March games though, he’s averaging 5 points and 5 rebounds in 24 minutes per game on 28% field goal shooting. There hasn’t been a ray of sunshine from TT in a while now. My expectations have always been relatively controlled, something like “great third big man on a contender”, but it would be outstanding if TT could roll out a double-double here soon. Ya know, make me remember that he’s capable of contributing.
• The Hawks shot way too many open threes in the first half. During this time, Josh Smith mainly dribbled unobstructed, drew an extra defender and kicked to an open shooter. In addition, Jamison was 6 of 22; this was definitely a bad Antawn game.
That’s it for now. Cleveland plays every day from now until the end of April. Just kidding, but they do play at New Jersey tomorrow. Maybe we’ll get to see D-Sloan abuse D-Will. Here’s to wishful thinking.
Apparently, you should be making specific requests about individual Cavaliers’ performance more often.
Hey — how about tonight’s game for a double-double type performance from TT?
And while he isn’t necessarily a lock-down defender, it’s worth noting that he is excellent at playing passing lanes and anticipating passes. And his one-on-one defense is good enough that, at the very least, he can make life difficult for the opposing team’s best perimeter player. He can wreak a fair amount of havoc on defense when he is on his game. If you’re trying to build a good defensive team, you could do a hell of a lot worse then a foundation of Gee and Varejao.
I think 4-5 for Gee would make me happy. I would hate if the rebuilding cavs spent a chunk of change on a player like him with so many opportunities in the coming drafts. Over-valuing is how you get locked into a lot of players like Eric Snow or Larry Hughes. I also agree that Gee is able to be a starting 2-3 in this league. My question then is, who would you pick up in the draft that could fill the other holes for us. We would need a Center and a SF/SG for sure. Which one would you… Read more »
Definitely not $8-9 million. Especially considering that he isn’t a finished product, and a lot of conversation about his value is kind of working upon the inference that he will continue to improve like he has the last 2 years. That is far from certain, obviously. He has potential, but he’s not good enough yet to justify going over $5 million, i would say. Although i personally hope they pay him whatever it takes, just because i’m selfish and i love watching him play.
CrankyM,
I don’t necessarily disagree with Gee as a starter. Plenty of good teams have started one all-star wing, one “d and 3” type wing, and have a wing on the bench that can create shots. Gee is totally a useful player, but he isn’t a complete lock down defender and he won’t consistently create alot of offense for himself or others. What’s your answer to the question of: “what is a starting SF who plays good D, hits the open 3, runs the floor and finishes with authority” worth?
Agree, Hopefully we can resign him for less than that. Free agency can be a fickle fickle thing though.
I think some of you are actually under-valuing Gee. I don’t see why he has to be a bench player on a good team. If we can add a good scoring wing who can create his own shot, then Gee would be just fine in the starting rotation. Nothing wrong with a starting SF who plays really good D, can hit the open 3, run the floor, and finish at the rim with authority. Don’t have to run plays for him and can still get his points. I’ll take that.
Matt, I’m not saying that a champion doesn’t have an average starter; just that I think Gee’s value isn’t over $5 million. PER is not a good defensive metric. Adjusted plus-minus is intended to account for a player’s total contributions though, while equalizing for quality of both teammates and opponents. One number cannot possibly meet that ambitious of a goal, but it’s a pretty good number and does incorporate a player’s defensive impact. Going a slightly different direction; if you look at Gee’s offensive PER vs the PER of the player he’s guarding, the player he’s guarding produces a little… Read more »
Mallory and Kevin, you do realize that pretty much every championship team has at least one average starter, right? There isn’t a team with 5 starting studs out there, and all I’m saying is I think alonzo could be the 5th best guy on a team in contention. He’s certainly better than derek fisher was for the lakers, and could be better than hamilton is for the bulls or a lot of other good teams 5th best player. Obviously the Cavs have to add talent (I can’t believe Mallory is lecturing me on this), right now gee is easily our… Read more »
Matt – The problem with assessing a player based on his talent when compared to the rest of the Cavs roster is, frankly, we don’t have a ton of talent on this team. Beyond Andy, Kyrie, and MAYBE Tristan (based purely on potential) there isn’t really much talent on the roster. Jamison is old, Gee is unproven and what we are seeing from him COULD be an anomaly (this season is full of flukiness), and the rest of the roster is pretty much filler (I guess you could argue Boobie, but I feel like he’s regressed from the player he… Read more »
Matt, I really like Gee but think it’s best to keep expectations tempered. PER, win shares per 48 minutes, adjusted +/-; all three of these numbers consider him a slightly below average NBA player. Gee as an average-ish player actually seems like a success story to me. He’s 24 this year and will be 25 by the start of next season, so he’s near the end of his developmental years. Also, this is a condensed season where many players started in poor shape. The results of this season do need taken with a small grain of salt. I really hope… Read more »
I disagree and think Gee could easily become the 4th-5th best player on a contending team. Ya you don’t want him as your #1 perimeter threat, but if he has a solid SG around, with that defense of his I would have no qualms starting him at the 3 between a good SG and Andy. He’s still showing significant signs of improvement and already looks like a very solid 6th man, he should establish himself as a very respectable starter in the league. I would keep him for a little more than 5 million. Honestly, he’s our 3rd best players… Read more »
I agree with all the people saying $4 – 5 million for Gee.
Like Mallory said, Gee can back up both wing position on a good team. That’s a great find though, from a journeyman, undrafted free agent.
Gee has never had a big money deal. They also have him under contract next season. $16 million over four years sounds about right. He’d take it. It’s still early in Tristan’s development. There wasn’t a traditional offseason. If he has the work ethic they say he does, he’ll work on his offensive game a ton over the summer. A lot of the great bigs who came into the league developed skills as they went along and matured. If he still looks like this next December then we can probably start worrying especially with the natural comparisons that we’ll make… Read more »
TT will be alright. He was playing out of position today against a much bigger player in Pachulia. Pachukia is listed as 6-11 but looked to be at least four inches and forty lbs bigger than TT. We won’t be able to truly evaluate TT until he has a couple more years to develop. As far as Gee getting even close to $8-9M, that sounds ridiculous. If I understand it the CBA will make a MAX contract for a player with his experience to be around $9M. He is not a MAX contract player. I’m looking at the Cavs retaining… Read more »
I’m starting to feel a little woozy: Did I just completely agree with Mallory? I need to lie down…
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But ya, Gee is good, but lets not go crazy yet – he’s definitely not an 8 mil a year player – remember, people were arguing that it’d be crazy to pay Wilson Chandler 10 mil and he’s, to be honest, quite a bit better than Gee is. So I’d think about 5 mil is probably what he’s worth. In reality he’s a rotation guy who can sub in for whatever star SG/SF we (hopefully) get.
Argh. TT is such a project. He may be 2012’s Joe Alexander.
And btw, have you guys record your podcast yet? I don’t have an ipod so I just use soundcloud but its not there.
Good article. Agreed with pretty much everything, especially Ryan Hollins. I don’t know what sport he’s playing out there, but it certainly isn’t basketball.
8-9 mil per year for Gee? Are you guys crazy? Try cutting that number in half and you’ll be closer.
In other news: FREE MANNY
There is no excuse for playing Anthony ‘I take 3-5 horrible fadeaways per game’ Parker 30+ minutes a game.
i thought on similar line iso1512. never under-estimate an NBA GM to throw money away, but this new CBA feels different. I just hope that KAAAAAAHHNNNNNNNN up in minnesota does not get involved
The MOST that I would match for him is 9 million per year. Although that seems very high, we have no other use for our cap space and I would hate to lose him. But I think we could keep him for around 4-5 mil per year.
what if another team with cap space bids 8 mill on Gee. up to what number would we not match and let him walk to the highest bidder in restricted free agency? also, what do you think is fair market value for gee?
JAG – I’d just be happy if he would rebound effectively. I’m not convinced at all we are ever going to see a decent offensive game from him. I think he has a chance to be a kind of Joel Anthony type if he’s lucky.
I’ll cast my vote for Gee being the real deal. His ball handling is getting better game to game and that was the last piece to the puzzle. The guy plays D both within team schemes and battling his man straight up. His shooting is above average and now he’s got some great moves to the hoop. Pay the man Mr. Grant. I was really happy to see TT continue his new-found routine at the FT on his first FT attempt late in the game. I was really disappointed to see him just casually flip up that bad miss on… Read more »
You’ve gotta love Gee’s work rate. He plays hard, isn’t flashy and is actually becoming a pretty good wing player. I am becoming more and more impressed with him each game. My question with this is – Is he actually that good or is it just that SF and SG are possibly the two biggest needs for the Cavs?
Kevin, I couldn’t agree more about seeing more Harris and Sloan. I think we should see more from them tomorrow in NJ. Cross your fingers.