Trade-a-Palooza 2016
2016-02-17We figured we can be just as good at this as the pros, so we decided to look at some of the Cavs trades floating in the new media ether, and added a few of our own. First, here’s a quick rundown of what the Cavs have to work with: some Ramen noodles and a couple bottles of wine with the labels ripped off.
2018 first round pick, 2016 second rounder, two 2019 second rounders, and a 2020 second rounder, plus the rights to Cedi Osman. Cleveland also has a $10.5 million dollar Haywood exception, an $845k Joe Harris exception, and a $2.85 million Mike Miller exception. Those exceptions cannot be combined with any other salary or other exceptions.
Because we love to play “what if,” we challenged our writers to come up with trades that are plausible and fit into the NBA’s rules…. No Steph Curry for Anderson Varejao trades. No one was untouchable, though I don’t think any of us dared to fake trade the King. But the ones touched by the trade machine were surprising, and it led to some spirited internal discussions. We also linked to some rumored deals. So give us your grades, what you like best, what you think is garbage, and what you think will happen in the next 24 hours. Happy palooza-ing.
Rumored Trades:
Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony
Anderson Varejao and draft picks for Channing Frye
Kevin Love (to the Celtics) for Dino Gallinari and Will Barton, with David Lee (to Nuggets) and draft picks (to Cavs and Nuggets) (aka, the Bill Simmons trade)
David Wood:
Kyle Korver and Kent Bazemore for Iman Shumpert
The Cavs are reportedly interested in Kyle Korver. Korver would give the Cavs another elite 3-point shooter to spread the floor. He’s shooting 38.6% from deep this season after shooting above 45% the previous three years. The Cavs would be hoping he rounds back into form as the season moves forward. Korver is 6-7, and actually a decent scheme defender. If the Cavs acquire him, I can only imagine the pain and suffering they could cause opponents by running a small ball lineup of James, Love, Smith, Irving, and Korver. Teams couldn’t position any weak side defenders near the paint, since LeBron and Irving would just drive in and throw a cross court pass to an open shooter.
Korver is 35 and only has one more season left on his deal, so Atlanta would probably have to throw in Kent Bazemore/his bird rights to entice the Cavs. Iman Shumpert is on a four year deal worth $40 million. Bazemore has developed a lot as a defender this season, and could be a decent back up at the 3-spot. Given Atlanta’s history with letting their small forwards walk they probably wouldn’t fret over losing Bazemore. I doubt the want to pay him this summer.
Trevor Ariza, Patrick Beverly, and KJ McDaniels for Kyrie Irving and Mo Williams
The Rockets don’t care about chemistry, and it’s also clear they’re worried about having to overpay Dwight Howard in the off-season. They like having star players though. This trade satisfies the Rockets’ star lust by landing them Kyrie Irving under contract. While Kyrie isn’t an ideal running mate for James Harden, he can still shoot the 3-ball better than any one on the Rockets, which would open up the paint for Harden. Defensively, the Rockets get much worse from this trade (even though they haven’t been that good this season), but they would have the fire power to just out score teams. This trade would finally get the Cavs a legitimate back up for LeBron in Trevor Ariza, Delly 2.0 in Patrick Beverly, and someone with decent upside in McDaniels.
This exchange doesn’t land the Cavs any one too lauded, but it would help them to play how they’ve been most successful this year. The Cavs’ best lineup thus far has been James, Love, Delly, TT, and Smith. They’re +21.9/48. Cleveland is just better when they don’t have three ball dominant guys on the floor at a time. Beverly defends, makes passes he’s given, doesn’t demand the ball, and hits his open shots just like Delly. Delly is a +6 per game this season, right behind LeBron, Love, and Kyrie. He has also been decent when he has run the second unit, so it wouldn’t be an issue if Beverly took his minutes with Love and LeBron.
Robert Attenweiler:
Anderson Varejao for Cory Brewer
While it would pain each and every Cavaliers fan, player and organization member to part with Andy, it’s clear that head coach Tyronn Lue doesn’t see the Brazilian big man as being a key component to the team’s championship goals. The problem is that if Varejao can’t crack the rotation in Cleveland where he is beloved and enjoys some of the better on-court chemistry with LeBron James of any player in the league, can he really offer enough for another team to give the Cavs back anything of value in a trade? Looking just at on-court performance, you’d say no. But a team like the Houston Rockets, currently leading the league in toxic personalities, might be looking for a different kind of asset. Imagine Cavs GM David Griffin convincing his counterpart with the Rockets, Daryl Morey, to view “being a good teammate and solid locker room guy” as the next untapped measurable analytic. In Varejao, the Rockets would get an unselfish, likable professional, in the hopes that Varejao’s bright demeanor can rub off on some of the Rockets’ more prickly parts and keep Morey from having to blow the whole team up. In return, Cleveland gets another defensive-minded swingman who has chemistry with Kevin Love from their Minnesota days and is more capable of busting out the occasional big scoring game than the Cavs’ current D-first wing, Iman Shumpert.
Mike Schreiner:
These two trades could help the Cavaliers both now and in the future. The first trade would be for the Cavaliers to send Iman Shumpert and a 2016 second-round pick to the Sacramento Kings for Kosta Koufos. Koufos would fill Mozgov’s role as the team’s rim protector, and he’s two-and-a-half years younger than Timo. He’s also signed for two more seasons after this one, plus a player option for the 2018-2019 season that will never cost more than $9 million in any season. Considering that Mozgov could still very well command a contract that pays eight figures annually despite his struggles this season, the cost certainty of Koufos’ deal should appeal to Dan Gilbert. At 23 years old, McLemore also gives the Cavaliers some youth, athleticism, and outside shooting. It’s been reported that McLemore, a Rich Paul client, wants out of Sacramento. Adding him would be a play more for the future than this season, but could very well pay big dividends down the road. Meanwhile Shumpert gives the Kings a much needed wing defender and an upgrade at shooting guard. The fact that Shumpert is under contract for three more seasons after this one would also likely appeal to the Sacramento as the Kings are always in search of stability.
The second trade I would like to see is the Cavaliers trade Mozgov to the Atlanta Hawks for Thabo Sefolosha. For the Cavaliers, Sefolosha gives them a terrific defender to replace Shumpert, and while Sefolosha is six years older, he costs half as much. Mozgov gives the Hawks a center to fill in for the injured Tiago Splitter, but doesn’t reduce their cap space for this summer.
Nate Smith:
I know, I know. I pitched this trade on the pod a couple weeks ago and got killed for it. Then Kyrie started heating up and McCollum launched airballs and lost his dribble in the skills challenge. Also, Lou Williams, while a better bench scorer than Mo, is a piss poor defender. I only posted this so no one thought I was trying to hide from it. Crow eaten.
Mo Williams and Timofey Mozgov for Jose Calderon, Kyle O’Quinn, and Lance Thomas
Another year, another Knicks salary dump. Calderon, on paper, isn’t much better than Mo. In fact, he’s rated 401st to Mo’s 442nd in single year RAPM. But remember that Calderon is horribly miscast in the triangle right now, and is still putting up impressive shooting splits of 47%/41%/88%. The Cavs need a third point guard and Mo aint it. Calderon is not going to come down and jack up a 12-footer every time he gets 30 seconds of run like Mo Gotti does. With Delly ailing, and not wanting to stress Kyrie’s minutes, it’s imperative to get another guard. While LeBron has played backup point the last few games admirably, this isn’t a long term solution. To win in the playoffs, especially with his broken jumper, Cleveland must get LeBron off the ball. Calderon gives the Cavs a guy who will actually pass (Calderon’s 4.1 assist per game to just 1.2 turnovers), shoot, rebound, and not sulk (and would look good in the Cavs’ pick-and-roll heavy offense). And yes, he’s just as bad at defense as Mo Williams (he might be worse).
The price for cutting over $10 million off of next year’s salary for the Knicks is throwing in Kyle O’Quinn and Lance Thomas. O’Quinn is a rangy forward who can bang, block some shots, and is posting a solid 17 PER with a -.15 (189th) single year RAPM. For comparison Mozgov’s is -1.64 (372nd) this year. Kyle might be even better with more minutes, and could bang with Dray. Finally, Lance Thomas gives the Cavs a 3D wing on the cheap. He has a .31 RAPM (134th). His shooting splits are 46%/41%/87%: very good. The Cavs might have to throw in a couple second rounders or even a player or two to make this work, but it’s a win/win. Cleveland gets to save about $6.7 million of the Haywood trade exception for use next summer.
(protected) 2018 first round pick for Jerami Grant
You’re thinking WHAT?! Nate must be crazy. But hear me out. The Cavs need a Dray stopper. While I’d like Al-Farouq Aminu and see him as the perfect front court partner for a Love/James big man combo, he’s not getting away from Portland for what the Cavs have. So I give you one of the most interesting defensive Swiss Army knives in the league. Is he good? I don’t know. His .36 dRAPM tells me maybe, but what really stands out are his Rim Protection stats. He’s fifth in the league among power forwards at points saved at the rim. He’s 11th in the league at any position in blocks per game and per 48. He’s 16th in block:foul ratio. Did I mention his .7 steals per game? Yes, he’s a terrible offensive player (-2.27 oRAPM), but most of that is because the Sixers let him take two threes a game, and he only makes 23%. Take that shot out of his game, and he’s respectable. Also, he’s not abysmal from the corners. His 8-50 from the top of the arc is where he’s truly terrible. Plus he rebounds, plus he passes, and he’s trapped on an awful team. He’s only 21, and he has an NBA pedigree. The dude might be a young Josh Smith. Even if he can’t develop a three (and what if he could), he’s already a very good shot blocker who can run the floor and finish on the break. Cavs aren’t getting a better combo forward than that with a late 2018 pick.
Cory Hughey
Anderson Varejao and (top 14 protected) 2018 first round pick for Markieff Morris
Morris could provide the Cavs the middle Earth to their offense (Love) or defense (Thompson) conundrum for a small ball matchups. Morris may be a malcontent, but the story of the NBA has many chapters of troubled players flourishing once they’ve gotten away from a toxic franchise. Analytics are fun, but dismissing Morris holding Draymond Green to 4 of 14 shooting in half-court sets with the “that’s what you are but what am I” small sample size spit ball, doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened thus far, and won’t continue into the future. The Cavs proved that they can slow Curry in last season’s Finals. If they can neutralize Green, they can win the series. Andy is more likely to wake up bald tomorrow than impede Green on defense. In an ideal world Markieff and his twin brother Marcus could buy one of the mansions along the swank Cedar Point Chaussee to split the difference between Detroit and Cleveland. Unfortunately for them, there’s a 6’6” height restriction on most of the top shelf rides.
I understand the #NeverTradeAndy clubs heartfelt credo, but we’re on a half-century and counting wait. This isn’t the time to toss aside logic, solely for emotional attachments. Andy was the fractured bridge between both incarnations of LeBron era Cavalier teams. If he wants to prolong his injury marred career, Phoenix could be the ideal the spot with its dry air and well regarded training staff. Also, I don’t see dealing him, and doing him wrong. The Cavs paid Andy $42 million over the last five years (that doesn’t include the $19 million he’s being paid this season and next) and he’s played in five games over that span during the month of April.
Iman Shumpert and Timofey Mozgov for Nicolas Batum
Replicating what Miami did right during their LeBron era should be a priority for the Cavs as they go forward. As much star power as the big three flashed in South Beach, they probably don’t win that second title without Shane Battier’s defensive versatility.
When I saw what the Hornets got Batum for in the offseason, I was upset that the Cavs didn’t have a young package that could trump it. Shump would have had to agree to a sign and trade, and probably wouldn’t have been eager to leave a team with championship or bust on the letterhead to go to a rebooting Blazers squad. Batum can realistically guard three positions, could be a secondary ball handler while Kyrie or LeBron takes a breather, and is a decent three point shooter. Much like Battier in his youth, Batum has been miscast as a second or third option, rather than a super role player. You can make the case that he comes up short in the clutch, but I’m not worried about him being the fourth or fifth option in crunch time.
Ben Werth:
Ya gotta have versatile defensive wings. And lots of them. That is the only realistic chance a team has to beat the Warriors. The trade above gives the Cavs one great, two good and one potentially decent defenders to trot out against the G.S. juggernaut. McLemore and Marcus Smart(already an elite defender) would provide Kyrie fans some “upside” solace. Jettisoning Irving would be tough to stomach, but ridding the team of that defensive liability while adding two solid two-way players in Bradley and Crowder would likely help the championship cause. This season.
Remember, I’m not really thinking about anything past the next two seasons or so. LeBron’s game is likely to go off a frickin cliff. I had always assumed he would improve his jumper and play more off-ball both in and out of the paint. That seems extremely unlikely at this point. So, any move is a win now move basically. Maybe Kyrie figures it out down the road, but let’s be honest. He has shown himself to be a competent defender only a handful of times throughout his career. He is an otherworldly offensive talent, but that just isn’t going to matter against any team that comes out of the West this year. Westbrook and Curry will both just kill him. (I know, Game 1, but are we really going to base our entire defensive optimism on one blocked shot?) Parker, if he is healthy, will kill him. The Cavs can’t win those series with Kyrie playing heavy minutes against those guys.
The Celtics desperately want a big time player and Brad Stevens is just the type of guy to get the most out of Boogie. The Kings still would have an exciting big-name player for their new arena. Sadly, I can’t think of a better player for Vivekball than Uncle Drew.
Cavs also sending out a conditional first round pick, plus a 2nd round pick. That’s a hearty load for a guy that sucks on defense.
It sure is. Griffin must think Frye is a great fit… I don’t know how many minutes he is expecting for Frye though
Cunningham also going to Orlando, expected to be waived.
So we have 2 roster spots available. Maybe they will bring up Quinn Cook?
I have a feeling this isn’t gonna be the only move we make. Griffin left open 2 roster spots
Meanwhile, at ESPN:
In 6 games in February, Frye posted a whopping 124.9 def.rtg
We got fry.. 3 team trade
Channing Frye will be sent to the Cavs from Orlando, I’m told. Anderson Varejao will wind up in Portland. More to come.– Amick
Ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bye AV! You will be missed.
Ugh, this makes me REALLY sad.
Great trade. Andy was horrible the last three years.
I don’t know if it’s a good trade, but I will surely miss Andy. Bummer.
No!!!! I don’t like it.
Clippers still unwilling to commit to Channing Frye deal with Magic, league sources tell @TheVertical. Cavs have real chance to get Frye. — Sam Amick
Clippers still unwilling to commit to Channing Frye deal with Magic, league sources tell @TheVertical. Cavs have real chance to get Frye. — Woj
Still think it’s unlikely. Cavs will only take on Frye if they move AV.
Clippers still unwilling to commit to Channing Frye deal with Magic, league sources tell @TheVertical. Cavs have real chance to get Frye. — Spears
Can confirm that Houston sends Donatas Motiejunas & Marcus Thornton to Detroit for Pistons’ 2016 first-rounder and Joel Anthony. Yahoo 1st. – Sam Amick
That’s quite a haul for a washed up Anthony.
First time commenter, long time reader. Had to comment just to say: Nate, that’s literally the stupidest trade idea I’ve ever heard.
http://kingjamesgospel.com/2016/02/16/cleveland-cavaliers-interested-in-josh-childress/
What’s the opinion of this rumor?
The video of his elbow ejection is worth watching if anything. Visions of somebody else on receiving end of it.
That elbow might be nice to see vs Green if it starts to get ugly
That guy disappeared like a decade ago. Sounds like he has health issues. No thanks. But if he does come to Cleveland, we might have the more wig nights than all other teams combined.
Wasn’t this a rumor from 2009?
Sources: Atlanta’s expressing its intentions to rivals that Hawks plan to keep team intact at deadline, holding onto Horford and key guards. — Woj
Looks like Ainge will have to start floating rumors about Kevin Durant now.
Grades: Ben [Kyrie Irving (to the Kings) for Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart, Jae Crowder, and Ben McClemore, with DeMarcus Cousins (to the Celtics). ] Cavs: A, Celtics: C-, Kings: B Wow. If you are going to trade Kyrie Irving, this is the haul. Bradley is underrated and signed for a couple seasons at under 10 mil a year. Crowder agreed to a 5 year, 35 million dollar deal that takes him through 2020. Oh, we get Marcus Smart too? Geez. AND BEN McClemore so we cna throw stuff at a wall and see what sticks? That’s a haul. Now, the… Read more »
Whelp. I’ll be out of the blogosphere for the weekend. I hope Griffin keeps Love.
Don’t lose your Doritos!!!!!!!!!
Shouldn’t they just call them “Dorweedos”?
Hahahahaha!!!! Good find.
Windy doesn’t think that trading Frye for AV is a good move. He says he’d rather have AV. Frye sucks on defense and probably wouldn’t play against the Warriors. Plus the Magic have been trying to move Frye for months.
I hope Delly and Love play tonight.
My mega trade idea: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hkzc2gw Cle Gets: Chandler Morris PJ Tucker Protected 2018 1st Pho Gets: Anderson Varejao Timofey Mozgov Mo Williams Cleveland would be taking back salary and absorbing Morris with the Haywood trade exception. I think this would entice Phoenix because the fact that Chandler is at 13 M a year for the next 3 guaranteed whereas Varejao is only guaranteed 19 for the next 2 years. Mozgov has obviously been a disappointment but would have opportunities with Phoenix. Mo could potential start for the Phoenix team and help set up Devin Booker and Alex Len considering that… Read more »
Another option would be to add Iman Shumpert and take out the 1st.
Morris gives you a better chance vs athletic stretch 4’s than Love and still provides SOME spacing.
PJ Tucker is a decent defender who can shoot alright but he is another body that can match up with a wing player.
Yeah I think this would be an upgrade. I like that Chandler has another 3 years on the books. I think he is an upgrade over Mozgov anyway.
I think the thing people forget in trade talks is FIT.
Chandler would fit a LeBron team well with that defensive anchor and no need to have the ball.
He probably works well with Kevin Love too as Love operates at the 3 point and elbow. Not the low block.
Grades:
Cory
[Iman Shumpert and Timofey Mozgov for Nicolas Batum]
Cavs: B, Hornets C+
The problem here is that Shump is signed for the next 4 years while Moz and Batum hit FA this offseason. In a vacuum this is a good trade for the Cavs. I’d like it more for the Hornets if Shumpert wasn’t so fragile and of similar skillset to MKG.
MKG’s jumpshot is way more broken and inconsistent BUT he is much bigger and therefore overall more valuable in my opinion than Shumpert….
I figured Shump being under contract is a plus for Charlotte since they have so much trouble attracting free agents and he and MKG could be the most vicious set of wing defenders in the league. Before MKG’s injury I brainstorm liked a mo fo on trades to get MKG to Cleveland. He can’t shoot but he’s probably the best defensive tree who can also guard fours in the league.
yeah he just can’t stay on the court.
But he is a beast defensively and he’s tenacious offensively even though his J is so bad
Grades: Cory [Anderson Varejao and (top 14 protected) 2018 first round pick for Markieff Morris] Cavs: A-, Suns A I love this trade and I love Cory’s rationale. Look, I know the Suns are going to play hardball but the reality is, Markieff Morris cannot continue to play there. The 1stRP may be the cost of doing business due to a small bidding war over Markieff’s services, but there is no future for Morris in Phoenix so that they get something for him is a win. Sidebar: The Browns will get nothing for Johnny Manziel. Morris is a wild card… Read more »
Morris is that badass that will do all the right things for you if you can relate to him in my opinion. His outburst isn’t because he is selfish, it’s because he wants to WIN.
Yeah he loves his brother, but he’s literally been with him since day 1 so how can he not.
Morris is an upgrade on Draymond at times vs Kevin Love.
I remember when he lit up the Cavs last season while LeBron was guarding him.
I wanna say Morris was ranked at 106 in NBA rank, but on talent itself he’s probably a top 50 or 60 player. His acquisition if it went well, could lead the Cavs to move Love for a bounty.
How style I’m expecting something small or nothing at all.
Grades:
Nate’s Third Trade
[(protected) 2018 first round pick for Jerami Grant]
At this point, I can’t believe Nate has floated three trades and none of them feature the Cavs nabbing Thaddeus Young. Is Nate’s Blogging Prime over?
We know the Sixers love 2nd round picks, so I’m not sure why Nate offered up a first for Jerami Grant (a guy drafted in the second round). But all those stats Nate used! Love it. OK, Nate’s still in his prime.
Wait, a young Josh Smith? Does that include Josh Smith’s knuckleheadedness?
Nate thinks Draymond Green is better than Kevin Durant and Lebron james among others. I don’t think he has a shred of credibility when it comes to talking about basketball.
Don’t die on the Draymond Green hill, Cols. There are so many bodies there you wouldn’t have a proper resting place.
Cols… once again you puffed but forgot to pass…
Grades: Nate’s Second Trade [Mo Williams and Timofey Mozgov for Jose Calderon, Kyle O’Quinn, and Lance Thomas] Cavs: A-, Knicks B- Kevin Pelton and John Hollinger used to love to grade salary dumps really high. I’ve never done that because it presupposes that the team is going to use that salary money wisely. Salary dumping certainly is not en vogue right now so in a different year this deal make more sense for the Knicks. It looks great for the Cavs. I don’t think they should pay Mozgov the 15+ million he wants going forward and Jose Calderon, while a… Read more »
This trade would be fine.
Nuts, I just agreed with Nate1
Sucks sucks cuskdfjal’df
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Grades: Nate’s First Trade [Kyrie Irving (to the Lakers) for C.J. McCollum and Lou Williams, with Julius Randle (to the Blazers) and DeAngelo Russell (to the Blazers)] Lakers: B, Blazers A, Cavs: LOL Not to pile on, but I’m going to need to see a lot more from C.J. McCollum. The Blazers love CJ but how could they turn down 2 prospects in Randle and Russell? The Lakers get one of the brightest stars in the game. Kyrie’s game is just oh-so-perfect for LALA land too. So much flash. Pretty soon Lakers fans will insist he’s actually better than Steph… Read more »
Owners can get antsy now, push GMs to make moves just to make moves. Multiple folks have said that hasn’t been case w/Dan Gilbert this yr — Lloyd
Grades: Mike’s Trade [Iman Shumpert (to the Kings) and Timofey Mozgov (to the Hawks) for Kosta Koufos, Ben McClemore, and Thabo Sefalosha] Cavs: A, Kings D, Hawks C This is a tough one to grade. How good is Mozgov really? If he’s somewhere between what he’s doing now and what he did for the majority of his career, then this is a bad move for the Hawks. If he’s closer to how he played during much of last season including a brilliant 28 Point / 10 rebound (6 offensive boards) game in the NBA Finals, then maybe the Hawks want… Read more »
Grades: Robert’s First Trade [Anderson Varejao for Corey Brewer] Cavs: A-, Rockets: B- Corey Brewer is having a bad season (as is everyone on the Rockets other than Clint Capela) but he played well last year. He’s not a great player, a career bench chucker that can’t shoot 3s. Up until this year he was a 1-man fast break machine and as Robert noted, he had a lot of chemistry to that end with Kevin Love. It’s a good move for the Cavs because, well, they inexplicably refuse to play Varejao (who is playing better than the Cavs are rewarding… Read more »
Windhorst: I have never experienced a deadline like this, where so many stories out there- aren’t true. #Cavs
Grades: David’s Second Trade [Trevor Ariza, Patrick Beverly, and KJ McDaniels for Kyrie Irving and Mo Williams] Cavs: B-, Rockets A Replace Patrick Beverley with someone like Kyle Lowry and this trade would be a slam dunk. But Beverley just isn’t that good. He’s got a reputation as a bulldog on-ball defender but he’s a bit overrated in that regard. Harden may mask his true playmaking abilities but the Rockets don’t move the ball any better with PB on the court and and his A/To ratio is stuck on Waiters island. McDaniels has some potential but he can’t shoot 3s.… Read more »
Grades: David’s First Trade [Kyle Korver and Kent Bazemore for Iman Shumpert] B for Cavs, C for Hawks. Hawks don’t have enough 3 point shooting as it is. They are 19th in the league in percentage and they shoot a lot of 3s. The team 3 point % is highest when Millsap, Korver, and Bazemore play. Losing 2 of those 3 guys would turn them into the bizzaro heat? Shumpert has the potential to be a nice piece and has a 4 year deal so it’s a good team-building move for the Hawks. Cavs add a 3-point sniper in Korver… Read more »
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gpzk42x
Cavs trade Love and Andy. Get back Howard, Anderson and Brewer. Don’t love it and wouldn’t do it but interesting trade. New Orleans probably throws a pick to Houston to make it happen.
Amico seems to think not much is happening on the Cavs trade front. Also, Iso Joe apparently looking to sign an extension with the Nets.
Oops, sorry, Rodney, didn’t mean that as a reply.
2 trades cavs need to enquire about.
What about Kevin Love for Derrick Favors and Rodney Hood. Which team says no to that?
Cavs get younger and tougher. Lebron plays more 4 , with Favors at 5 and Hood at the 3 .
Utah get a star to play along side Gobert and Haywood.
Second trade. Mozgov for Frye. Magic get a solid backup 5 and we get the stretch 4 we need off the bench?
Taken in conjuction I can see the point but still no. Lebron doesn’t like guarding 4’s. Favors and TT on the floor together would be tough on the offense. Frye isn’t what he used to be and isn’t comparable to Love.
So the Cavs say no. Utah would love that. Gobert and Love would be an awesome front court. They completely complement each other. Gobert covers up alot of Loves weaknesses and Love opens the floor up.
Point taken, but LeBron should realise the 4 is his future and best shot at a title. Warriors or Spurs couldn’t handle a unit of Irving, Smith, Hood, James and Favors. Favors would have a field day on Green on their small ball line up. And they match up better defensively. No more weaknesses like when Love is on the Court.
Maybe cavs can even get a pick or Alec burks
Love too soft for the finals and playoffs in my opinion. Plus injury prone.
Nope. You do not trade a star like Love for role players.
Unless you think o e of those guys could be a star, which is how I feel about Crowder.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Sixers and Hawks get the rest of our picks for the next ten years.
So Nate I’m curious what you mean when you grade top players. When I say a player is a top 5 player in the NBA I mean if there were a redraft of the whole NBA I would draft that player in the first 5 picks. I just have a hard time imagining you would draft Leonard 2nd and Green 5th over guys like Durant. (You have stated that it goes Steph, Leonard, Westbrook, and I’m assuming Lebron and Green at 4&5). Leonard I can see more than Green. But to me even Leonard is a reach. How much better… Read more »
I’m not Nate, but I think most people in the NBA would call Steph then Durant 1 and 2. Mashup after that, some order of Lebron, Westbrook, Kawhi, etc.
Get serious. Durant is a better scorer then LeBron. He is nowhere near as good of a total player.
Could make the same argument rodney makes below. If the Cavs and thunder swapped LBJ and Durant, Cleveland would have won more games (assuming full health) this year.
Interesting. While I do think that Lebron is the more complete player, I could see the Cavs being better with Durant. How could that be? I dunno.
I know people will have a heart attack about guys like Harden and Cousins being ahead of Green since they aren’t winners and their teams are dysfunctional. But do you really think that if you traded Green for Cousins the Kings would get any better? Or do you think the Warriors would get worse? I really don’t think either. The Warriors would have to change a little but honestly not that much. Probably just slide Iggy at the 3 Barnes at the 4 and Cousins at the 5 and use 1-5 screens instead of 1-4. Or if you switched Green… Read more »
Yeah James Harden plays no defense and is a “me” player. I don’t think he knows how to run any plays other than run into players flopping for a call. As much as I can’t stand Draymond, he’s a better player IMO. And a much smarter player too!
Harden is a me player. But nobody makes the rules work for him better. I don’t think hes a dumb player at all. Harden is insane on offense. Get him a team that plays defense and can shoot and he’d be awesome. Plenty of me first players have won from Kobe to AI.
He may be insane on offense, but that doesn’t mean he’s better than Green or Leonard. I don’t think Harden is even a top 10 player this year.
So much of this is a chicken and egg situation. People talk about “systems” and guys being “System guys.” I don’t get it. It doesn’t matter what system you’re in if it is maximizing your abilities. Draymond is fantastic in the pick and roll and would be fantastic on any team. He’s a top five player because he’s playing top five basketball on both ends of the floor. Does he make his teammates better, or do they make him better? It doesn’t matter. I grade on how they’re playing and how the team is winning and outscoring the other team… Read more »
Nate I get what your saying but I think your wrong. What would have happened during last years finals if you had switched Lebron and Green. It would have been ugly. But actually theres no way that team even gets past the hawks
He’s completely wrong. It’s amazing that he is allowed to write for this blog and think that Draymond is better than Durant, LeBron, and Westbrook. And Harden, etc.
Allowed to write for this blog? Nate is the backbone of this blog dude…
No ill will towards Nate, but the reality is that Nate’s system of rating players really is NOT how GMs or people in the league evaluate talent. Every trade/FA signing hinges on an assessment of how a player’s current perfromance will translate to the new team/role/system.
Well duh. I’m talking about who is playing the best right now.
With love and Kyrie they get past the hawks.
They didn’t have Love and really didn’t have Irving but they still swept the Hawks. It would have been a sweep the other way if you swap Lebron and Green
Completely disagree. Still would have won.
If I was picking the top 5 players in the NBA I’d choose Marco Bellinili, Cj McCollum, Kyle Korver, Joakim Noah, and Richard Jefferson.
Am I qualified to now write for CtB??
Sorry. We drug test.
“You, sir, have artificial cheese in your bloodstream.”
14 hours 54 minutes 32 seconds and counting until this nonsense is over…
The last hour or two will be a doozy…
Remember it always goes over an hour for all those deals that go till the last minute.
LOL. I was hoping you’d grade all these with different levels of disgust.
I had a train-wreck of a day unfortunately and wasn’t able to dedicate the time and energy… ;)
You should check out that movie. It’s on NBATV right now.
Which movie?
Called “On the Shoulders of Giants.”
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1582235/
“Trainwreck” was awful. Almost as bad as “Draft Day”
Seriously? That movie was hilarious.
Train wreck I mean. Well, Draft Day was hilarious, but for different reasons.
I think I’m eating the wrong Doritos. That movie was as forgettable as Brian Anderson.
Switch to the artisinal.
I seriously can’t think of one trade that would interest me more than what we already have. I mean, maybe just taking a player into the trade exception. But unless someone is trading us a quality player for Mo Williams and Richard Jefferson, why do I care?
I guess I’d trade Mozgov for Horford and our 2098 1st rounder.
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-trade-deadline-buzz–clippers-move-closer-toward-channing-frye-deal-023959300.html
That would be a rental for the Kings. No way Gasol stays there next season. Vivek is going to eventually need to fire himself.
I like the deal for Snell. Elite defender.
The Love to Boston talk just never, ever, ever seems to go away. Go pound sand, Danny.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25486805/celtics-cavs-pelicans-reportedly-talking-three-team-deal-involving-love
Either shell out Smart, Crowder, Bradley and a draft pick, or GTFO.
Still nope. Do not want a bunch of trash for love
If the Brooklyn pick is I play, so is Ben Simmons.
I think Danny is guarding that pick like the crown jewels…I *hope* he sends it somewhere, I don’t care where.
I do… I hope he doesn’t send it to the Warriors or Spurs.
BTW, there are some typical moronic remarks from Celtic fanboys below this article. Hilarious. I’m sure if they heard that they were in talks to get Steph Curry, first would be excitement, then “They want Crowder?! No way!”
Good lord, these media members need to let go of Brian Anderson. Amico and Marc Spears just said he was an elite 3-point shooter. Anderson is 38% from 3, and he shot 34% last year. That’s hardly Elite. He’s a career 38% 3-point shooter, which is good, but stop with this Elite crap. He’s only shot above 40% once in his career.
Then they are saying Kevin Love is struggling from 3. He’s shooting exactly what he shot last year from 3, which is basically 37%. Brian Anderson is not worth it!
You mean Ryan?
Anyway, his percentage for the position he’s at and the volume he shoots at is very good. He’s No. 2 in the league for 3 pointers made by a big man. No. 1? Kevin Love.
He’s definitely a floor stretcher.
Okay, but is he elite? Maybe for the position he is?
Sure he’s the top shooting big man in the NBA right now.
I think I meant to write Ryan Anderson. See that’s how forgettable he is…
Brian Anderson was a really good pitcher for the Tribe for a couple of years…
I’ve seen him at the gym in the past.
Pride of Wright State university!
If Cavs trade Love for a bunch of role players I will not be happy. I will turn into Nate.
Does Nate make Doritos?
Probably not. He hates Doritos. They are too mainstream for him.
I only eat special limited edition Dorrtos.
How do you make Doritos? Why don’t you just go to the grocery store? Is the grocery store too main stream for you Cols?
Who makes Doritos? Sometime you gotta cook them. But no one makes them from scratch.
You haven’t lived until you’ve had artisanal corn chips made from heirloom corn and a delicious blend of all natural orgainic herbs and spices.
Didn’t you say you were making Doritos in your recap?
And wash that down with a nice tall glass of almond milk, right Nate?
Lol Nate isn’t mainstream enough.
Man… I really want some Doritos now… damn…
Bulls are out Butler, Noah, and Mirotic for at least a few weeks. So tomorrow should definitely be a win, unless Boston media makes us trade Love, Kyrie, LeBron for Olynyk, David Lee, and Rozier.
I’m sure Boston will come out stating that they didn’t want Love anyways, like they had this summer.
David Aldridge on NBATV right now.
I’m confused do people really think the thunder are better than the Cavs???
As I heard on the Cavalytics podcast, “not as long as Dion Waiters and Enes Kanter get significant minutes, they’re not.”
That seems like a joke. I think that they are probably the best chance to derail the Warriors because the Warriors have nobody that can cover either Durant or Westbrook. Also Ibaka presents a best case scenario counter to Green. But against the Cavs these advantages get washed away. Shump can cover Westbrook, Lebron can check Durant and our bigs are a wash or advantage Cavs.
Hmmm. Disagree on Westbrook. The Warriors have two of the top five NBA players right now. He might be third best behind Kawhi and Steph. Don’t know if Shump can stay with him, especially in a series. Also but the dropoff after their top four is so stark. Also, they always seem to lose in the playoffs when Russ stops passing.
I mean nobody can guard Westbrook. I basically was saying he can do a better job on Westbrook than Klay Thompson who I regard as an overrated defender. Good but overrated
Also completely different subject. But I don’t think Greenbis even a top ten player. I just think the Warriors have 3 top 20 players. And 5 top 40 players that all fit perfectly.
Sources: Kevin Love, Iman Shumpert expected to remain with #Cavs through trade deadline: ohio.com/sports/cavs/ca…
Get Frye here. That would be nice. Do not want McLemore. He sucks.
Would want Dwight
Don’t care if Andy get traded. Would like to keep Shump though
No deals for Love that would be stupid.
Or do nothing and start getting ready for playoffs.
Mostly agree. I don’t know how much Frye helps though and the locker room seems fragile so I’m not sure I swap Andy for Frye. Howard would freaking awesome. I only give up Shump for a nice haul. Like Howard or Korver and Sefalosha.
Frye is really good at warming benches…
Hope Andy is dealt. That’s about it though.
Nope nope nope and nope….
Yeah, and I hope you stop writing baseless posts some day… but neither is likely to happen… ;)
Some of these trades, specifically the ones for Kyrie are awful: celticsblog proposed K Love trades level of awful.
My guess is the Cavs don’t make any major moves. For now. If when they come up short in June all bets are off.
Celtics would love to trade Love for David Lee. And I’d like to be able to fly.
I wish the Celtics would cut Lee so we could stop with the imbecile Celtic fanboys offering him up in moronic trades.
David Lee couldn’t get playing time on the Warriors and now Celtics. So who really wants him? I think he’s a guy that really only thrives on bad teams, so send him to Sacramento.
Nobody wants him, yet morons keep throwing him in their idiotic trade machine deals like he’s an asset.
The trade machine is the downfall of the human race. I anticipate a zombie apocalypse soon.
76ers Gauging Trade Interest In Jahlil Okafor: basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240858…
Offer our first rounder!!
I hope Boston trades all of its assets for Horford, only to see him walk in the offseason.
That’s my dream…or they trade one or two of their current guys, and it destroys their team chemistry.
I LOVE Nate’s last two trades. Love, love, love. Let’s do it.
The desperate attempts by Ainge and Boston media to perpetuate “Love to Boston” rumors are hilariously entertaining.
Take him, Danny…we’ll be taking all of the Nets picks and 3 of your starters, though…
They might do something like that.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z7l8ja2
These are fun!
Mello to Boston?
Woj didn’t mention anything about Anderson or Love in his recent trade article so that’s probably all smoke coming from Boston.
Because Frank Ice-hola is just a blow-hola…
As the Los Angeles Clippers delay a decision on completing a deal for Orlando Magic forward Channing Frye, the Magic are becoming more motivated to move Frye to Cleveland into a trade exception, league sources told The Vertical.
The Cavaliers can absorb Frye’s $8.2 million salary into a $10.5 million trade exception. — Woj
The Magic have no desire to bring back Anderson Varejao’s contract in a deal, league sources said. Varejao’s deal includes two years and nearly $19 million guaranteed. The Cavaliers are searching out teams with space, such as Philadelphia and Portland, which could take on Varejao’s contract as part of a three-team trade, league sources said. — Woj
Those teams would likely be compensated with draft considerations and cash to take on Varejao. For this reason, the Cavaliers won’t take on Frye without finding a home for Varejao’s deal: Those two contracts together on Cleveland’s roster would push the team’s luxury tax bill from $61 million to nearly $96 million in 2016. — Woj
The Magic should just go ahead and put Woj on payroll…
Cavs don’t need trades. They need more time playing together. Good teams don’t make big roster moves every year.
Is it 3 pm on Thursday yet. Time to push Ainge back in his hole.
I don’t believe in Karma, but if I did, I would have a good excuse for vetoing any Andy deal. I’m not okay with it. Can’t do it. The Big Z deal was a catastrophe in ways that people didn’t even understand. I have no desire to repeat that. I don’t only cheer for laundry. Especially not for a mild upgrade in Fyre. If the last line of reasoning is “Who can help the team against the Warriors?” then especially no. For all of Frye’s floor stretching and adequate rim-protection, he still would get played off the floor against G.S.… Read more »
Exactly this…. Frye doesn’t help us vs the Warriors, so what’s really the point?
Couldn’t agree more with both of you. If he doesn’t help against the Warriors, it seems pointless.
I’m told the Magic don’t plan on accepting the Anderson Varejao-for-Channing Frye offer from Cleveland that @ESPNSteinLine reported. — Sam Amick
That would’ve been a bitter-sweet trade, so I’m not sad it didn’t happen.
Sanity prevails!
I’m not sure why you guys view Ben Mclemore as a plus. Dude sounds like the ultimate cancer and is too small for a 2 guard. He showed up to the Cavs nervier with a drug dealer before the draft. His brother is in jail for killing a cop I think. He’s not very good at anything besides shooting. He’s a miniature JR Smith how’s a worse person and less mature
I think that’s a bit harsh Rodney. It’s not like he has a reputation for being a bad guy. I’m okay with getting McLemore, but I just wouldn’t give up much to get him.
It’s meant to be harsh. I’d rather have lance Stevenson
WUT???????????????????
Maybe he’s grown up a bit. People usually do around that age. But I know for a fact that Grant red flagged him for character issues before that draft. I also know his family is a disaster which makes it harder for a young man to improve himself. He’s also been apart of the one of the most dysfunctional locker rooms in NBA. And now that organization is trying to get rid of him. Plus he’s not that great at basketball. At least Stevenson was once a really good player
I think Grant forgot to red flag some other players that eat too many burritos.
McLemore can at least shoot and he’s pretty young. I think he could probably turn into a solid role player in the right situation. The Kings are the most dysfunctional organization so I’m not shocked he hasn’t really developed well there.
How about neither? The Ear Whisperer has done nothing but suck air on the Clips bench all year…
Average height league-wide is like 6’7″. McLemore is more than big enough at 6’4″ to compete at SG. He’s been on a shit show of a franchise from the rip. I’d be more than happy if he was the acquisition considering how tied the Cavs hands are going forward adding youth.
Source confirms the Magic are much more inclined to put the finishing touches on the deal with the Clippers, over the Varejao deal. — Chad Evans
Saw Stein’s report on the Cavs offering Andy for Channing Frye. I get why they would do it, but it would still be emotional, at least for this fan.
#nevertradeAndy
#nevertradeAndy unless you’re going to #neverplayAndy
No trades. I’ll be happy when all this is over. We have the pieces. They just have to come together.
It pains me to say that all these sports analysts know less than . . . the BenevolentDolt.
Is “the” short for Theodore?
No E. Theodor.
I see what you did there… ;)
And by the way, I agree completely…
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zbr9mka
Cavs get Kyle OQuinn (Knicks) & Norris Cole (Pelicans), Pelicans take Calderon (Knicks) and (Mozgov), Knicks get Asik (Pels) & Mo Williams…
I don’t even know if I like the trade…. Kyle Oquinn is cheap and Norris Cole can play some PG (better than Mo)
Norris Cole can’t shoot though.
Yea, guess you’re right. Thought he was a little better than that. He would at least hold his own on the other end.
To be honest, I’d rather not make any trades unless someone takes Andy’s contract (hate to say it) or Mo. Neither will give us much in return, either.
LIKE I MENTIONED IN AN EARLIER BLOG –LOVE HAS GOT TO BE ” FATIGUED ” FROM ALL THE RUMORS SINCE BECOMING A CAV ( STILL THINK THIS DISTRACTS / TAKES AWAY FROM SOME OF HIS GAME ) ……IS THIS GOING TO BE A CONSTANT FOR AS LONG AS HE IS WEARING A CAVS UNIFORM
ARCH –YES I KNOW ( AND SO DOES SHE ) THAT “GOLD WAS BURNED THAT DAY “
I agree the constant trade talks and “Love is leaving” talk from last year is fatiguing. Now that he has signed a long term deal (he was supposed to leave according to last year’s press) – the talk has changed to the Cavs shipping him out. All just wild speculation.
ESPN sources say Cavaliers have made an offer featuring Anderson Varejao for Channing Frye in an attempt to pre-empt Clippers’ deal for Frye – Stein
Mo williams for kobe bryant
I actually really like that last trade of Cory’s. I like it for the simple fact that it has the Cavs match up pretty well with the Warriors…and if the Cavs are trying to win right now, this season, that’s what they need to try to do. Even for Cousins, though, I’m doubting the Celtics give up that much. Even if, like me, you are beyond tired of Boston fans acting like all their role players are untouchable gold ingots, that would just gut their team. I also like Cory’s Batum trade. Ryan Andersone rumors are heating up tonight, but… Read more »
The idea of trading Kyrie is insane.
Batum is my favorite target, but we ain’t going to get him.
Amen on the Kyrie comment!
ALL THESE TRADE “TALKS ‘ RUMORS “—-REMIND ME OF DURING THE SUMMER TIME IN MY YOUTH ( MANY YEARS AGO ) SITTING AT THE LOCAL PARK / BACKYARD / STREETCORNER AND GETTING OUT YOUR ‘TOPPS ” BASEBALL CARD AND START WHEELING AND DEALING —THE 2ND COMING OF “TRADER LANE ” ( YOU YOUNG FELLOWS DON’T KNOW WHO THE HELL I’M TALKING ABOUT ) —-BY THE WAY (LIKE I AM SURE MANY OF YOU HAD SIMIALR EXPERIENCES ) I HAD A BASEBALL COLLECTION THAT WOULD RIVAL ANYONE’S ( TRIPLICATES OF THE MANTLES/ MAYS / AARONS/ KOUFAXES / RUTH /COOBB ETC —IN… Read more »
Your Mom burned gold man! I have a couple of shoe boxes full of cards but they probably won’t be worth anything for another couple decades.
Nomad – if true, HOLY CRAP.
that said, I’ve heard the “my mom threw out millions of dollars in baseball cards” story a lot…
I had a decent collection as a kid – total value probably 3 hundred bucks today.
I like the Jerami Grant trade. I did look over BBall Reference today and was surprised to see his rim protection stats.
I also like Mikes trade, because Thabo is probably at least as good on defense if not better than Shump.
No to the Kyrie trades.
We could of just drafted Jerami Grant – but took Joe Harris instead. Oops. I liked Grant when I saw Notre Dame almost take out Kentucky in the 2014 March Madness tourney.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NBA_draft
Yeah that was a miss. But it’s hard to rail on teams for misses in the second round. But with misses in the top 5 it’s hunting season for the fans.
I think the best hypothetical trades are where we dream of sending a package our little used role players, 2nd round picks with protection, and trade exceptions for another team’s disgruntled star player or swindle a rebuilding team in firesale mode. Cmon Griffen … make this happen!