The Point Four-ward: All You Do To Me Is Talk Talk
2016-02-17Four points I’m thinking about the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) In a Presidential election year already full of attack ads and spin, most of it engineered to make one candidate look more appealing by making another appear less so, it’s refreshing (or not… I haven’t decided which) to see the NBA play out its version of the same thing in the week leading up the league’s annual trade deadline. This year, with the deadline coming the week after the All-Star Game, in which writers and fans will have gone seven full days without a real game to distract them from the approaching Swap-pocalypse, there’s been a lot of noise. If you look closely at who is saying what and why, though, what’s real behind the rumors can sometimes become a little more clear.
[Author’s note: now, how’s that for over-qualification!]
That’s why anyone who is not currently a New York Knicks fan immediately rolled their eyes at the Frank Isola’s report that had Carmelo Anthony headed to the Cavs in a three-way deal that would finally land Kevin Love on the Boston Celtics. First off, the report made zero basketball sense for the Cavs. I told a friend that it would “finally give the Cavs the ego-driven, ball-dominant, iso-heavy star they’ve been lacking all these years.” The joke, such as it was, is that the Cavs already have two such players. Secondly, Isola writes for the New York Daily News. This means Isola likely has strong connections all the way up the Knicks ladder and all he would need to be able to publish a report that not only appealed to his media base, but would receive a ton of national attention was for one of those sources to confirm that the Knicks had, in fact, contacted the Cavs and Celtics — who were already known to be in talks about a Love trade — and suggest that Melo could be in play in such a deal, as well. That’s all you need.
And that’s not bad reporting. Isola isn’t making it up. If you want to look at that report generously, you could say that “Melo to the Cavs” was never the correct take-away from that report. Isola’s report, from the perspective of a New York City news source, was that the Knicks had made Anthony available which is, in fact, news. It’s the first specific mention of the Knicks being open to moving on from Anthony for a specific player (or players) in return. It’s the first concrete signal that the team might be ready to start building around break-out rookie Kristaps Porzingis. That’s not a crazy rumor. That’s news… but the crazy rumor is what we take away from it.
2.) The same can be said about the Cavs “talks” with the Celtics about Love. It’s no secret that Celtics GM Danny Ainge has coveted Love for years. Of course, he’s going to be in near-constant contact with Cleveland’s front office trying to get his team a bonafide star player for the stretch run in a year where they’re already exceeding expectations.
But here’s why news of those talks should be held with almost as many grains of salt as the Anthony reports:
First, Ainge calling the Cavs and inquiring about Love already constitutes talks. So, in that respect, they’ve probably been having similar talks to these at every point at which Love has eligible to be traded by the Cavs. One team calls and the other team picks up. It’s common courtesy… and it also can accurately be reported as the two teams being in talks.
Teams know that the combo of Love, LeBron James and Kyrie Irving still haven’t fit perfectly together, so the Celtics can’t be the only team “talking” to the Cavs about Love. It is true, though, that their interest level is different.
The Love-to-Celtics speculation could actually make basketball sense for both teams. The Celtics need a star and the Cavs have to be intrigued by players like Jae Crowder and Marcus Smart (or some combination of Boston’s laundry list of movable parts), especially as they want to be able to play small and versatile without giving up a ton on the defensive end. The Celtics could also offer some potentially high draft picks to restock Cleveland’s bare cupboard.
But it’s not going to happen. A trade won’t go down between these two teams comes down to one simple fact: the Celtics are in third place in the East right now, trailing only Cleveland and Toronto. There’s no chance that Griffin pulls the trigger on a risky trade — as any trade that would send out Love would be — and then wind up facing a motivated Love and a potentially more dangerous Celtics team in the playoffs.
In the off-season, though… you never know.
The same thing is true about the Marc Stein/Brian Windhorst report about the Cavs’ reticence to deal Love. Stein and Windhorst publish a report that says, essentially, that the Cavs are unlikely to deal their power forward mid-season and that teams are being told that nothing short of another superstar will convince them to part with Love. The way this is spun as we hurtle toward the trade deadline, though, is ProBasketballTalk running a headline that says “Cavaliers want another star, not role players/draft picks, in Kevin Love trade.” Using the word “want” here suggests that “another star” is what the Cavs are actively seeking when, in actuality, they’ve been rebuffing other teams with the suggestion that they already have a star in Love (which works as good PR whenever team officials have to look at Love straight in the eyes).
All of these reports are true. Some are just more transparent than others.
3.) While not as high profile as the NBA All-Star break, Cavs: The Fantasy League also took a small breather before this fine collection of CtB bloggers and readers set their sights on the mad scramble for… well, nothing short of immortality.
Just like last season, each team in Cavs: The Fantasy League was required to carry one member of the Cavaliers on his roster. Since we were doing a live draft, that meant that each team owner’s first selection needed to wear the wine and gold and then, with all Cavs off the board, we would proceed with the draft like normal. In a snaking draft format, that meant that whoever would get stuck picking the end of the Cavs bench would, at least, be rewarded with the top picks once the draft opened up to the rest of the league. Nate Smith and his team, later aptly named Team Jared’s Cunning Hams, did, in fact, select Jared Cunningham with the 12th pick, but then turned around and took New Orleans PF/C Anthony Davis, who many believed was poised to have a monster season for the ages. Unfortunately, Smith, who came in second in last year’s inaugural CtFL, has not been able to recapture the magic of last year’s squad, possibly hampered by the dead spot Cunningham occupies on his roster (a fact Smith will not let me forget).
4.) Much like the Golden State Warriors of the actual NBA, Team Evil Genius has been able to build off last year’s championship and sits atop CtFL led by Fantasy Stephen Curry and Fantasy Andre Drummond. But CtFL is full of competitors and no one is about to let Team EG just waltz his way to another crown. My own Team Klutch Me (I’m Fallin’), led by Fantasy Kyrie Irving and Fantasy Rudy Gobert, has withstood some early season injuries and currently sits just 1.5 games behind the Genius, while Mike Schreiner’s Team Evan Turner Overdrive (featuring John Wall and Kevin Love) and reader Gregg Andrick’s Team Fresh Squeezed (with Damian Lillard and Jahlil Okafor) round out the top four.
The battle for the ultimate Cavs: the Blog bragging rights begins… now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gncY6pSuNdM
Mo williams for kobe bryant?
If the salaries matched i would do this
New article up. Enjoy.
.@ChrisBHaynes on @BullandFox: “Too many individuals on this team, players abusing platform that is the #Cavs to enhance off-court ventures”
— he specifically mentioned Shump
From Klutch Sports mouth to Chris Haynes ears….
I know it’s fun to imagine trade scenarios at this time of the year but count me as one who doesn’t find a single one of these potential trades being mentioned to be appealing. These trades just sound like rumors generated by other teams because they all seem to involve us jettisoning a player whose value has dropped since his time in Cle in return for guy(s) who don’t even adequately fill the holes we already have. As of right now, we still have no idea how some of the pieces fit but when it comes down to it this… Read more »
I hear ya! Right on, Bro!
Don’t you mean anyone other tha Mo?
” AND AS THE TRADE RUMORS SPIN ” COUNT ME IN ON GAY IF HIS CONTRACT DOESN’T ALLOW HIM TO BOLT THIS SUMMER—– DO WE TRADE SHUMP FOR MCCLEMORE EVEN UP ?——–TOMORROW NIGHT CAN’T COME SOON ENOUGH
Nope. Shump is a good useful player.
Mclemore. Sucks.
Yeah don’t like that trade of McLemorw for Shump. Nope nope nope!
I agree. Not many opportunities to agree with both Arch and Cols!
Ryan Anderson makes Kevin Love look like Tim Duncan on defense. — RealGM
That’s a stupid quote. Love hasn’t been bad on defense this year. Just because there are a few bad vines out tehre doesn’t mean as a whole he’s been bad.
Eph people
I think the quote is more telling about how bad Ryan Anderson is on defense. I agree, Love is not a bad defender.
The Cavaliers are showing strong interest in acquiring Pelicans forward Ryan Anderson, sources said. — Mark Spears
Cleveland remains very active. Cavs in talks with Pelicans about Ryan Anderson. A 3-team deal that includes Kevin Love still in play. — Isola
I don’t really take anything Isola says as very truthful. He seems to generally talk about of his ass.
If you want to see some really bad defense watch Ryan Anderson.
Dellavedova (hamstring) and Love (shoulder) both went through full practices today. They are listed as probable for CHI game Thursday. —- McMenamin
Sounds like the Celtics are the favorites to land Al Horford, if Atlanta decides to trade him. Great, this will make me hate the Celtics even more.
Why do I have the feeling that the Cavs are going to end up with Rudy Gay?
That would be a nice addition.
I’d take him for the trade exception.
Yep. No doubt. He could perhaps help.
Count me in on Rudy Gay. That would be a very nice addition. I don’t know too much about his position flexibility, but we could go with a pretty terrifying small ball lineup with Kyrie, JR, Gay, LeBron, and Love.
Rudy Gay! NO…NO NOT THIS GUY!
From Jason Jones twitter (Kings beat writer):
Trade chatter: Iman Shumpert is available if Kings want him. Divac might be reluctant to part with 1 of his faves: Koufos or Belinelli
Followup tweet from Jones:
The question is would the Kings want to take back Mozgov, who will be a free agent and will be looking for a big payday.
Shump is more important than either of those players.
I am NOT particularly in favor of trading Kevin Love. BUT, if Danny Ainge will give anything for him including some top draft picks, I would not hang up the phone.
#Bulls aggressively shopping Pau Gasol, per @WojVerticalNBA: hoopsrumors.com/2016/02/bulls-…
It will be difficult to trade him to anyone other than Cleveland, GS, SA, or OKC. I don’t think anyone else is a real contender, and Gasol walks at the end of the season.
He’s a rental and there aren’t many teams looking for a rental.
Maybe Miami, now that it looks like Bosh is probably out for awhile.
The Bulls have offered Nikola Mirotic, Tony Snell, Joakim Noah, & 1st rounder to Kings for Rudy Gay & Ben McLemore. (Per @TheRealC_Los)
Wow!!!!
So trash for trash?
This trade helps neither team.
I know some Bulls fans want to do that deal. Noah is an expiring, and injured, Snell is meh, Mirotic, who knows…I don’t think the Kings do that one.
It could be a Mirotic sucks and so does McLemore, maybe a change of scenery can make them non-sucky?
Oopsss… Didn’t mean to post that. According to WOJ, Bulls are shopping Gasol.
Send him to the Celtics for Crowder, Bradley and the Nets 2016 pick.
From Amico’s latest news roundup:
” Rajon Rondo hasn’t ruled out signing with the Knicks as a free agent this summer, per the New York Post”
Be still, Phil Jackson’s heart.
Dude, Kenny Roda is obsessed with Ben McLemore. I’ve heard him go on several rants the past 3 years about how he wants Ben McLemore. If you ever hear any of these rants, just count the amount of times he says “Ben McLemore.” I didn’t realize he is the GOAT.
He might be the GOAT of ink… even his tats have tats…
He acutally sucks.
So does Oladipo.
Get us Dwight.
Let’s trade LeBron, Kyrie and Love for Dwight, Josh Smith, Stevenson, and SVG’s porn stache.
I think maybe every team would want either McLemore or Oladipo over Dwight.
Nope.
1. McLemore sucks
2. Oladipo isn’t a good defender even though people want him to be
3. Oladipo sucks on offense
So nope nop nop nopnopneopafnoeuiwr
http://buzzlamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/trump-nope.jpg
I can’t believe that guy is going to be one of the two ( iknow there’s normally something like 10, but really only there is two) nominees for president.
And the other is going to be a criminal. Great time for America
He makes the debates pretty enjoyable though. That’s the only thing I like about his run.
Um, who is the criminal running for president?
He makes the debates awesome. If you don’t know who the criminal running is you might be smoking too much weed. One candidate had a private email server containing top secret information on it (illegal). She intentionally circumvented protocal to get it on her server by declassifying it. Every bit of that is illegal. Whether she gets tried or not is different but the FBI has been investigating her for months now. General Petraus gave his girlfriend a copy of his daily schedule and was kicked out of the Army and nearly prosecuted. This is like 500 times worse
Rodney: Do you know what BFD means?
Oh goodness. Whatever. The Clinton email thing isn’t even close to making her a criminal.
I know it’s not a deal to people now. But it does mean she’s a felon
Dwight would be good this year, but I wouldn’t touch that next max contract with a barge pole. Let the Hornets or Celtics do that.
I agree with Cols. Dwight is still an elite defender and finisher. He’s way better than Moz
His contract SUCKS though.
And you care because? Danny G certainly doesn’t care.
I care because who are we gonna ship out to get him?
Andy + Shump or something like that
No thanks!!!!!!!!!
Why not? Andy sucks. Dwight is pretty good and if we get last year’s playoff version of Dwight, then we might go 4,4,4,4
Shump, yeah, I’d miss him, but with Delly being actually good, and JR being lights out and Jefferson contributing a bit we have enough perimeter guys.
I don’t think Dwight is the difference maker against the Spurs or the Warriors.
Also, Delly can’t defend Steph for 48 minutes.
I watched D12 flail away here in LA for a year and that was enough for me… Trading for Howard is a horrible take… even for you Cols…
Don’t want to put up w watching hack a Howard for the rest of the season. Among other reasons mentioned, No
Keep DH as far away from the Land as possible.
The Kings should swap McLemore for PJ Tucker.
PJ Tucker and Channing Frye could be nice additions if we can get them for nothing. Maybe ship out Kaun somehow to make room.
Maybe add the LeBron whisperer too by cutting Mo?
I’d take Tucker over Frye, no idea what the Suns would want for him.
Maybe a second round pick? That’s all I’d offer them.
Sounds like PJ Tucker can be had for next to nothing.
Would you pick up Stephenson if he is traded and cut?
Maybe just to watch him blow in Draymond’s ear and get him angry. It did seem like he had a defensive game in the past.
Eek. Let’s hope the Cavs don’t have to make that decision…there will be other teams interested in him, if it happens.
Cause he’s done so much since Indy… Dude’s a head case and a zero… If he can’t see the floor with the Clips, it’s doubtful he’d do anything other than wave a towel and give careless whispers from the bench…
Maybe he could whisper LeBron into better 3-point shooting?
Careless whispers from the bench are worth at least the vet min…
I like “Headcase and a zero”. What looks better: HCAA0 or HCAAZ?
Turn the sound up…
I love how serious Stephenson looks after he blows in Leb’s ear.
That was the point where I was finally convinced that Lance is, quite literally, insane.
This is a good example of how under control LeBron is. Anyone would be wanting to throw a punch.
I think that Lebron would justifiably nix that.
Not sure if this works or not.
http://kingjamesgospel.com/2016/02/16/rumor-iman-shumperts-desire-concerns-cavs/
Wouldn’t surprise me. Happens sometimes to people when they get a huge contract, and he does seem to prioritize the off court stuff. If it’s true (and I say if), he’ll learn one day that his rapping doesn’t pay the bills.
If, and that’s a big IF this is true, I’d take Oladipo and Gordon off of Magic’s hands for them if they are trying to move those two still.
Wasn’t that supposed trade for Griffin? They aren’t going to move those two unless it’s a good return.
Might have been. More or less wishful thinking on my part. The perimeter defense and length from those two, I would love.
I would love them, too, but yeah, the Cavs would have to give up real assets to make that happen.
Korver and Sefalosha would have me excited
That article is pure hogwash. Nothing but heaps of speculation based on a throwaway Windy quote. Ugh… Windy… I just defended you on these boards like a week ago, man!
Thanks Robert for the thoughts. And I am also tired of the rumor mill on Love etc. but the article I read today on “Shumps’s lack of desire” is upsetting on another level. I find it almost slander if there is real no truth to this which I hope there isn’t. Anyone else read or notice anything about Shump? The article was on King James Gospel and another Windy comment, ugh.
Ready for tomorrow!
I saw that. Anyone know if there is any truth to it? That theory does not mesh well with the super fast rehab he did.
Do you guys have a link? It also doesn’t really mesh with his incredibly tough workout and conditioning that was going on preseason.
Andy plus Shump for Dwight.
We can’t afford to give up anymore wing athleticism/defense.
For Dwight we can.
Dwight is probably more trouble than he is worth. Also, the team would have to install totally new schemes to be able to get any good out of him. The only person I would traded for him is Smoldering Joe Harris, and we already traded him.
You’d be adding a HOF center.
At the end of his career…when he can no longer jump, doesn’t care to learn post moves, and often checks completely out of games. We could add Bill Russell too…and we probably would pay less for better results.
How is Dwight “The Headcase” a HOF center? He had a couple good years. He was never a top 10 player, and probably never the best center playing at any given time. Shaq is a HOF center. And now he is pretty much worthless. No one in the world would trade Drummond for DH.
It’s not crazy for just trying to win this year. It’d be a big gamble, though, since it’s impossible to say how that would actually play out on the court. On the other hand, I don’t think the team as is can beat the Warriors. (And maybe no team can beat them in a series) Glad I don’t have to make decisions like that.
I want no part of Dwight Howard.
Dwight would just clog LeBron’s and Kyrie’s driving lanes on offense like did in ’09-’10. Also what JMay said.
On the C:tFL front… the Blake Griffin incident has had a much larger effect on Team EG than it has on the actual Clippers… Maybe I should trade for Channing Frye… /s
Yeah I bet that hit hard and then the recent MKG injury after you out played me to get him. Allowing us all to get a little closer:)
That was so unfortunate… MKG was looking so good too…
AGREE WITH EVIL ENOUGH OF THIS ” TRADE RUMOR DRAMMA ” LET’S PLAY REAL BASKETBALL AGAIN —GO CAVS !! AND YES SCREW THE CELTICS ( AINGE ) ! !
Screw the Celtics. I hope whatever they do at the deadline turns to feces in their hands. And yeah, Danny, you can have Love for all the Knicks picks, Crowder, Smart, and Bradley. Oh, and you can go ahead and take Varejao’s contract, too. You’re welcome.
Oops, meant all the Nets picks. Hope I didn’t confuse Danny there. Having clarified that, my point still stands. Phone lines are open, Danny.
I loathe this time of year. No games, all rumors. Can’t wait to be past the trade deadline. So much overreaction…
I’m ready for tomorrow night, that’s for sure. My fiancé has parent teacher conferences, so it’s just me and Cavs basketball. Finally, watchable basketball. For whatever reason, my attention for college hoops has waned. Maybe it’s because the Buckeyes have had a disappointing season almost from the start. Then again, I usually frequent the Dukies but haven’t had too much interest there either.
At least they just beat Michigan tho…
Indeed. And I always, ALWAYS enjoy that.
Trade Cedi and a #1 for Frye. Sign Joe Johnson.
If they are just getting expiring deals from the Clippers, that seems like an overpay.
Why? What’s so great about Frye that you’d trade those assets for him? Clips are literally dumping Stephenson, a future second rounder and CJ Wilcox for him… Check the stats, Frye is not the Frye of three or four years ago…
They’d certainly get him for that, since that is way more than anyone else is offering…
Cols are you Frye-d??????
Robert giving us a gentle reminder to actually check the fantasy page every now and then. I’m not in last! Awesome.
STILL FEEL THAT THE CAVS WILL MAKE A DEAL —BIG OR SMALL ( HAD HOPES OF MCCLEMORE / FRYE AT A LOW PRICE OR MAYBE EVEN KORVER ) THOSE SEEM TO BE DIMINISHING AS IT APPEARS OTHER TEAMS WITH MORE TO OFFER FOR THOSE PLAYERS ARE ENTERING THE PICTURE MAYBE CAVS BEST HOPE IS GETTING A PLAYER DOWN THE ROAD ON A BUYOUT ( JOHSON / STEPHENSON / HIBBERT ALTHOUGH NOT SURE IF WE WOULD WANT THE LAST 2 PLAYERS MENTIONED ) DO NOT TRADE LOVE TO CELTS AND TRULY BELIEVE PART OF KEV’S SOMEWHAT ERRACTIC PLAY IS DUE TO… Read more »
Good breakdown of the Love rumors. You nailed it. Some truth mixed with lots of hyperbolic headlines.
I would love to see us add another shooter like Frye or Dudley. Maybe McLemore if price is low. Otherwise I am rolling with our current squad.