C:tB Reader 5-on-5 (All Star Break Edition)
2016-02-16For most of the NBA season, and really pretty much the entire calendar year, you guys get to read and sometimes hear us Cavs: the Bloggers wax, wane, pontificate and complain regarding all things Cavalier. With that in mind, it’s always fun and insightful to have some of the commentariat step into the limelight and share their thoughts and perspective on a bigger stage than the comments section can provide. So, here’s an opportunity to get to know a little bit more about some of our regular readers… including their level of Cavs fanaticism, the identity of their favorite wearer of the wine & gold (or blue and orange, or black and blue… as the case may be), what showdown they’d want to see this year, how they’d magically change the fortunes of this team, and which of their peers or bloggers they’d most like to knock a few back with while taking in a Cavs game. Without further ado… Simmo, Hot Sauce, TV63, Raoul and JMay are about to bring you some feature entertainment… in 5… 4… 3… 2… 1…
1) On a scale of 1 (casual observer) to 10 (face-painted fanatic), describe your level of Cavalier obsession, and what got you there?
Simmo: Based on the fact that I’ve watched almost every Cavs game live so far this season, I’d have to grade myself at 7. I am still able to break off and attend to life matters without breaking into a cold sweat, but probably only since I know I can watch the game back on League Pass. That, and the fact I have taught my two-year-old daughter to say most of the players’ names means I can’t grade any lower.
My road to Cavs fandom is probably a bit different from most C:tBers. It started when my family moved to Cleveland for one year during 2014 from Australia. Apart from loving traveling to new places, I was particularly happy to go overseas at this time for two reasons. The first was that my countrymen had seen fit to install a complete idiot as our Prime Minister, so it seemed a perfect time to leave for a while. The second was that my main sports interest HAD been Australian Rules Football. Unfortunately I, like many followers of the club I was affiliated with, have had my club and love of the sport destroyed by a drugs scandal which started in 2012 and somehow continues to this day (just google “AFL” and ”peptides” if you want to know more). So I guess you could say I was a keen sports fan searching for a new team/sport to attach to. When we arrived in Cleveland, our cable guy started talking about Delly as he had installed cable for him too. I’d never heard of him until then. So there was an Aussie link, and perhaps that got me watching games to start with. My fandom blossomed partly because of the LeBron return (and the talent that followed him), but also from watching Delly’s progression from what I thought was a classic underachiever to steely-eyed missile-man. This was in spite of the only game we saw at the Q being extremely underwhelming (Dion’s last game as I recall). After the famous Cavs bowling game, they clicked as a team and became so much fun to watch. After the wild playoffs run, I knew I was hooked and signed up for League Pass as soon as we arrived back in Australia. Shortly after noticing how many Golden State jerseys were being worn over here, I had to then buy the Kyrie Irving swingman jersey. It was a moral imperative.
Hot Sauce: 10. I grew up in the Cleveland suburbs, and my dad had season tickets to the Cavs throughout my childhood. I remember going to Richfield to watch the Lenny Wilkens teams, and living and dying by the outcomes. I used to stay awake and listen to Joe Tait’s postgame on the radio (“Have a gooood night, everybody!“). I even remember those Fratello teams with Brandon, Kemp, Hill, Phills, and Mills. And then, of course, there was the deep (almost insane) passion of the LeBron Era 1.0. Our sports scene was so downtrodden when he arrived — the Browns were terrible after the “expansion,” the Tribe was starting to fall apart. But LeBron was so magical, and so antithetical to the paradigm of Cleveland sports — we finally had a true superstar on our side. Those first playoff runs were incredible for me — the Wizards series, the Detroit series, the Game 5 in Detroit, the Spurs finals, etc. I was lucky enough to attend Game 2 of the Magic series when LBJ hit the 3 at the buzzer to win. No one left the Q. All 20,000 fans just stood there and screamed “MVP, MVP, MVP…” for like 30 minutes straight. Incredible. My emotional investment in the team is not healthy or rational. But it is what it is, and it was forged over many years of loss and suffering.
TV63: Passion Scale: 8.5. My family objected, and said the scale is not high enough as far as they are concerned. Ha. What got me there? LoL… actually, it was after LeBron left and when the Cavs got Kyrie Irving. I was really sold on rebuilding the team with young talent. It was so exciting when we had four players in the Rising Stars Game. Kyrie Irving is still the most electrifying player in the NBA in my opinion.
Raoul: 8. Here is why I love basketball: I was fortunate to grow up on an East Side street full of kids. We played baseball, football, and basketball all the time. I wasn’t very good, but was tall, which aimed me towards basketball. I got more athletic and found the touch for jump shots. In my 20’s and 30’s, I played in pickup games about six days a week, often with Mid-Major men’s and women’s varsity players. I still played once or twice a week until I got titanium knees at age 64 (you can be the slowest guy in the gym, but you are still a point guard at a knee replacement clinic!). It is hard to quit, because you really miss hanging out with the gang at the gym, which is a true cross section of everyone in America.
Here is why I love the Cavs: I have pride in all things Cleveland, which has only grown stronger since I moved away at 19. In Southeastern Ohio, I often watch NFL with a group that is about 59% Steelers fans, and 40% Browns fans. We don’t get in any actual fights, and enjoy razzing each other and making outlandish bets (yes, alcohol is involved). Being a basketball player, the Cavs are my fave. I am pretty busy, so I don’t watch too many Indians and Cavs games. I listen to a lot on the radio, and follow some online while working, and of course with C:tB! When I go out for a beer, I count on the guys who watched the game to give me an immediate update.
JMay: I would consider myself a 9. I don’t think I can bump myself up to the 10, if only because I despise painting my skin. It’s just not comfortable.
However, I miss only a handful of games a year, and the ones I do miss usually cause me some anxiety while the game is going on. Especially if I can’t check my phone constantly for scores. In addition to that, a large portion of my free time is spent on Cavs: the Blog. As for what got me there, I remember the moment I became a Cavs fan. When I was 12 years old, my step-father won tickets to a Cavs game at an auction. We were sitting in the fold out chairs behind the hoop. I remember thinking, as Latrell Sprewell stepped to the line, “Man! They are so huge!” I was hooked. Back then they were still black and blue, now I pull for the wine and gold.
2) Who is your all time favorite Cav?
Simmo: My favourite player has changed several times — initially, it was Kyrie for his mad handles, but then nuclear Delly was engaged in the finals and he assumed top spot. However this year, I have to admit that the much-maligned JR Smith has my vote. The 2016 Cavs would be lost without his consistency, unconscious shooting, great defense and all-round athleticism (I’m trying to ignore the silly and badly-timed fouls).
Hot Sauce: LeBron. I know it’s fashionable to beat up on LeBron these days, but I still remember following him when he was in middle school, and always having pride in the fact that he was from NE Ohio. I lived in NY when he was just rising to national fame at SVSM (i.e., “The Chosen One” SI Cover), and I would tell all my friends about him — “There is this dude from NE Ohio who is the next Jordan.” No one believed me. The night we won the lottery to get him was one of my greatest sports moments of all time — as a Cleveland fan I had never experienced a good break. The Fumble, the Drive, the Shot, Modell, Mesa, etc. And then we win the lottery for LeBron!?!?!?! Unreal. Not to use religious language, but within the sports paradigm I was raised, it was truly “miraculous” — things like that didn’t happen in Cleveland. His arrival — the Chosen One from our own backyard — seemed fated. And now, years later, with his betrayal and heroic return, his championing of our hometown on a national stage, and the possibility of a championship for the ‘Land, the allure of LeBron’s narrative is as powerful as ever.
Addendum: I understand that lots of people think of LeBron as a phony or a prima donna. If you are one of those people, watch the video above. If you can’t see the passion in the man, his intensity, his drive and determination, then too bad for you. Athletes are scrutinized at every turn today, and LeBron Raymone James packed his bags from Miami to return to NE Ohio, to raise his kids there, and to try to win a ring for the region. He may have his flaws, but no Cavalier, past or present, is in his class #TheKing #AllIn #StriveForGreatness.
TV63: That is Soooo hard to answer. Long term memory favorite would be Mark Price. 1993 was a very fun year for the Cavs, and he led the way. Shorter term memory for me in the here and now is Anderson Varejao. He has to be the most mentally tough, loyal and hard working Cav player I have ever seen.
Raoul: Current gang: I have always loved Andy, Tristan, and Delly because they play hard and don’t act like stars. My girlfriend will even watch the game when Andy is playing! My new favorite is JR. I used to dislike him, but since he has come to the Cavs, he has quit being a knucklehead and is playing way above expectations. Old days: Getting Daugherty, Harper, Price, and Hot Rod in one draft was the ultimate. I had a brief encounter with Harper when he was a senior at Miami. Before a game, he was signing autographs for the kids. The field hockey team was selling towels with logos, and I tossed one at Harper just to razz him. I had not known that he was working to overcome a speech impediment and made it a point to talk to everyone. He picked up the towel and came over and asked what I wanted him to write on it. When he handed it to me, I said “Man, I hope the Cavs draft you.” All around great person and player.
JMay: This one is tough. I’ll put it this way, I have a top three. Is that a cop out? Maybe, but I like them for different reasons. First on the list, Austin Carr. I am too young to have watched him play, though I’ve gone back and watched plenty of those games whenever I get the chance. But the reason I love Austin Carr is more because of who he is now. Honest, hilarious, and an underrated basketball mind, Carr adds a lot of enjoyment to watching Cavs games. I wouldn’t trade him for any other commentary guy. Next on the list, Andy. Andy is the exact type of player I want on Cleveland teams. He’s been fiercely loyal to the team, remaining so even during the dark days. He also works incredibly hard and is almost always overwhelmingly positive. And, finally, the new age favorite, Kyrie Irving. He really, really makes me angry sometimes with his insistence on dribbling the air out of the ball, but his highlights are seriously righteous. Absolutely dazzling to watch, he’s just so fun.
3) If there was one regular season game you could see or have seen in person this year, which would it be?
Simmo: It’s a bit OTT patriotism, but I felt rather jealous seeing a lot of Aussies in the Q crowd on the Australia Day game. It would have been amazing to be there. Serious FOMO.
Hot Sauce: It’s hard to get too excited about any regular season game this year, given how much we elevated our play in the playoffs last year, and given our pretty clear path back to the Finals. But if I had to choose one game, it would be the Lakers game. I have never been a big “Kobe guy,” but it would’ve been special to be there for his last game to send him off in style.
TV63: OKC, and I did get to go. I absolutely love the tenacity and teeth gnashing of Russell Westbrook and the smoothness of Kevin Durant’s 3-point shot. They have the complete package of physicality, high flyers and shooting 3’s. I just knew it was going to be an edge of your seat kind of game.
Raoul: Is Boston coming again? I think I hate Boston more than Chicago and Detroit. I don’t really hate the Spurs and Warriors because they play so smart. You can’t hate Toronto because they are Canadians. Are the Lakers still in the league?
JMay: Easy, the second Cavs-Spurs game, the one that we played in Cleveland. Of course, we all know how that game went. Regardless of the final score, growing up, Duncan was one of my favorite players. I would have wanted to see him play live. And since he ended up sitting that game, I would have been eternally angered with Pop, to the tune of a $250,000 fine.
4) If you had the power to magically change one thing about this Cavs team, what would it be?
Simmo: I would grant Mo Williams the power to play perfect defense. While most players have chinks in their armour that their coaches have to shield from the opposition, I’m pretty sure Coach Lue (and Blatt before him) has nightmares about what the top teams can do to the Cavs offensively while Mo is on the court. I have no idea what Mo’s net off-the-court rating is this year, but I remember him having the highest on the Blazers team in 2014. The team was at its best with him off the court. His stats may not show this since he’s been at the Cavs, but I feel like they should.
Hot Sauce: I wish the KI injury had never happened. First off, we may have won the Finals (I think we would have). But even if we didn’t, I think our chemistry would be so much better right now. With KI out for so long, LBJ and Love had to play differently. Now they both have to re-adjust to KI’s presence, and its clear that we haven’t found our rhythm yet (at all). Also, KI was playing so efficiently last year. The injury has clearly set him back. That said, I remain in the small minority of fans who are absolutely not worried about our recent struggles. I think they are a natural consequence of our lack of chemistry, the injury to KI, the coaching change, etc. I think by end of March, we will be rolling like we were at the end of last year — insanely efficient offense that mixes ball movement, open threes, and dominant ISO play by LBJ and KI when needed. But, I think we’d already be there if not for the KI injury. So I’d change that if I could.
TV63: “Magically?” Have more wishes? Hmmm… I’m torn between getting LeBron the perfect coach or getting a terrorizing center. But, I’m going with a Kick Bad-assery Center! The Cavs have never had that.
Raoul: If magic is allowed, I would give LeBron an attitude transplant that would make him ALWAYS play smart, and limit the ISO-ball to when it is needed. For a realistic thing that can happen: get Delly and JR resigned. I don’t know how many more years JR has. Maybe he can play a few and take over the Champ’s role as elder statesman. Delly is going to make a fortune real soon, and I am counting on Dan to step up to the plate as usual.
JMay: The one thing I would change about this team is the effort. I don’t care if, in the long run, taking games off means LeBron can be rested in the second half. I am so tired of watching lazy, half-dead players once every other week or so. I want to be the team that destroys their opponents so thoroughly that instead of thinking they can play with us every night, teams go into the game thinking they stand no chance. Just once, as a Cleveland sports fan, I want to be the team that does what Golden State is doing right now. I want them to run roughshod over the league, and that can’t happen if we don’t give, as Deadpool says in his new movie, “Maximum effort.”
5) What C:tB commenter would you most like to watch a Cavs game with?
Simmo: I’d want to sit with NOMAD, because:
a) I agree with many observations he writes, and when I don’t I can still see his point of view — his experience & common-sense approach is obvious.
b) He has excellent taste in beer.
c) I want to see if he talks like he types, or if he is actually softly spoken. I would bring my earplugs just in case.
Hot Sauce: I am torn between Cols and Nate. Cols and I would have a blast. However, I would love the opportunity to convince Nate that Kyrie and LeBron are better than Omri Casspi and John Leuer. And, that trading Sergei Karasev and Tyler Zeller to create cap space to sign LBJ was worth it. If things went well, we could even discuss Jonas and maybe Wiggins. (I kid because I love, Nate).
TV63: Hey, not fair. There are like three. When looking at the entertaining comments, pics and vines, it has to be EvilGenius! The most hilarious demonstration of this was the night he put up two dozen alternate coaching choices for the Cavs. I’m still laughing. Tom and Nate are up there too! If I couldn’t pick writers, (I had to really think about this) I would choose Arch because he is very knowledgeable about all the players, BUT under one condition. He couldn’t speak the word “Windy” OR else Moondog gets to take him down for the half-time show to do the Macarena dance wearing a 10-gallon cowboy hat with the words “Call Cols” written on it. Reasonable? Just joking, Arch. Yippee-ki-yay! Now, everyone is convinced I’m insane.
Raoul: Every single one of them! To mention a couple:
NOMAD, because I love talking to coaches. I always played extra hard in pickup games if there was a high school coach on my team (still trying to become a starter after all these years!).
Cols, because you can tell he is the kind of guy that everyone would be razzing and picking on, and (after about a six pack), I would be having a fun time telling them to F*** off. (Might be a little old for this).
EG, because he makes the best wisecracks and sly remarks!
JMay: I would say, and I think this is going to be a common answer, Cols. His outrageous positivity and insistence that the Cavs are the end-all, be-all, of basketball would make the game that much more fun. He doesn’t have any regard for logic most of the time. It’s as if he is watching a different game than the rest of us sometimes. Also, I imagine him being the loud, passionate sort when he watches the game, screaming at the players even though they can’t hear what he’s saying. That appeals to me. But really, no one in my life even likes basketball, let alone brings a level of obsession anywhere close to what I do, so I’d settle for just watching the game with any one of these commenters who care and watch as closely as I do.
Absolutely love all the bloggers! I have been busy with my son, who is just over a year old, but DVR and watch every game. I coach Girls Varsity bball all winter too, thus chopping into my time. I think the team will gel going into the playoffs. Just remember the ride we had last year without Kyrie or Love in the Finals. I would like to see Lebron go off a few games for 40+ just to let everyone know he’s capable still.
1. 8. I live and breath Cleveland sports. The Browns are #1, but let’s be honest, I expect the Cavs to make the Super Bowl before the Browns. It’s not a 9 or 10 due to only truly becoming a Cavs fan in College at Xavier with guys who lived in Cleveland (when LeBron was drafted). Also, my current TV package has me watching ESPN game tracker and a consolidated recap :(. LeBron is the reason, more specifically his heroic efforts. 2. DELLYBOMB… and LeBron is #2…. not that close a 2, though… then AC and McLeod (team entry). 3.Australia… Read more »
Sources: Cols thinks LeBron is awesome
Totally different source just informed me that Cols thinks Cavs are great.
I’m wetting my Capri pants right now.
I just want to see Glenn Rivers make a panic trade right now.
I so wish he’d trade Blake for table scraps.
I just want him to have more children who can play for the Clippers.
If they are all as good as Austin, I’m in 100%.
According to Alex Kennedy, Rudy Gay and Collison want out of Sacramento.
I think everyone wants out, including everyone on the roster and in the front office.
I honestly don’t think Boogie wants out. He’s the man around town. He wants to be the guy that lifts that team.
I really have no idea what Boogie wants. His agent has demanded a trade before. I think Boogie could work in the right situation, but he hasn’t exactly helped himself in the league so far. A lot of his problems are his own.
Apparently the BIGGER deal that the Clips are holding out for includes Ryan Anderson or Rudy Gay.
As long as they take Asik’s sweet contract.
Remember when Asik was coveted?
I might covet him at, say, 250k a year…
I can’t say I yearn for more players who can’t catch the ball, or play in the P&R.
A smart GM will stretch out Asik’s contract in a buyout. Probably SVG…
The Bulls have offered Nikola Mirotic, Tony Snell, Joakim Noah, & 1st rounder to Kings for Rudy Gay & Ben McLemore. (Per @TheRealC_Los)
Honestly, that sounds fair.
I agree. Isn’t Noah out for the season though? So I’m not sure that helps the deal.
Noah is out, and I *think* he is a FA after this season. So Noah is just a throw in.
So just a salary dump. It’s nice to use Noah and Dump in the same sentence.
Whoa! I thought Mirotic was the future!? And a 1st rounder? If hate this move if I was a Bulks fan. How good do they think Ben McLemore is going to be?
Mirotic may only be the future against the Cavs. Against other teams, not so much.
Good point Phil!
According to Steve Kyler, Cavs offered Mozgov for Frye
Should’ve offered more
On the bright side. We can grab Stephenson after he’s waived.
Haha…. Can we get Vogel to coach too?
Yet another foolproof plan… We should start calling you “Ted” after Stepien…
Lance and Leb are true Bros.
I’ll take Lance only if you let Nate blow in your ear!
I actually hope they don’t give up on Moz. I understand not wanting to pay him with their financial limitations, but I’d like to see the season play out with him on the team.
Totally agree. Keep Moz unless we get someone really good. For one thing, there is at least a 50% chance we will be playing the Pistons in the playoffs, and will have to deal with Drummond. Without Moz, that will be a major problem. Any other monster big men we might face?
Good point Raoul!!!!!!!!!!! I really don’t want to face a SVG team in the playoffs, and if we do they should be tested for HGH immediately.
Just hopped on here. Good job Evil Genius. It had a very nice array of different and entertaining responses from everyone. It brought out the very best in the community!
I totally forgot about that clip on Andy wearing Chosen 2 on his back That was pretty funny.
Thanks TV! And thanks for participating!
Good stuff TV, and thanks for wanting to hang. I promise I’ll have the Windy urinal cake installed in my toilet.
Ha Ha Can’t wait for the Cav games to start again!
Vogel got both Hibbert and Lance to play at incredible levels. Now they both look like guys that could be waived for almost nothing.
My one wish for this team:
When the opposing defense turns up the heat, when the highlight passes are getting picked off, make 2 good passes to compensate instead of giving up and going iso.
I want to go to a game with Ben W. Maybe after a couple of beers we can blast out some impromptu operatic Bass duets together.
Do you sing Opera Charlie E?
Does the NBA keep track of hockey assists? I would love to know what the Cavs numbers are there. I don’t think that the number of assists is very indicative of good offensive team play (I mean, the Cavs had 26 assists against the Lakers). But hockey assists, that might be a better indicator of how well the Cavs are playing on the offensive end.
You have to contact the NHL for those numbers.
Suns still determined to get a young player & a 1st in return for Markieff Morris. To this point, firsts are there but not appealing player. — Sam Amick
NOMAD I think that your dreams of adding Markief may not happen now. I’m not sure what teams would be willing to give that much to a team coming from a position of weakness.
Yeah, good luck with that, Phoenix…
Yeah if the reports true, I can’t believe teams are actually coming close to matching request.
Am I allowed to say 2009 Lebron is my all time favorite Cavs. He will never be as loved by me as he was before the Celtics series. I loved that dude. See I went to boarding school and PA from 2003-2007. Then went to college near DC. As any sports fans who live abroad can tell you that it makes you embattled and even more loyal when you live in enemy territory. But now imagine an all boys highschool. I don’t know why but Cleveland and Ohio state just made it that much worse. Back to Back blow out… Read more »
Sure. Some will say he can only redeem himself with a title. I’d say last years Finals effort was pretty heroic and should have redeemed him.
I don’t hate him. I like him a lot. He played his heart out last year. He’s just not what he used to be. I went nuts for the cavs last year. I used to go nuts for Lebron. He’s not a bad guy. I just see his warts a lot more clearly now and he’s not the reason I root for the Cavs. The cavs are the reason I root for him
I think that the stakes (and the drama) are a little bit higher. Maybe personal redemption is not on the line here, one can be redeemed without winning. But I’m remembering EG posting the faux “Certificate of Participation” to the Atlanta Hawks last year after they were swept by the Cavs (hilarious). And I would say to this Cavs team, this year, that we need to fight to the end and win it all. No, trying ain’t good enough. We’ve got a whole museum full of those ribbons. Let’s get our act together and start playing! The bottom line is… Read more »
In my view he redeemed himself when he came back and said that his hometown was where he wanted to live and raise his family.
Winning a title would be epic beyond imagining, but he doesn’t need it to be an all time great NBA player and the greatest Cav ever. Unfortunately, this year, we need some luck, and some genius, because the Warriors are at an all-time level right now. We need a plan that doesn’t give up but also goes beyond this year.
I have a lot of friends who think LeBron quit then. I don’t think it is that easy. That Cavs team had a lot of weaknesses. LeBron did pull one game (game four?) pretty much single handedly, but that is not going to work every night. As I recall, in the last minute of the last game LeBron gave up and did not attack the basket when down by a few baskets. Didn’t Andy get the ball and try to drive in the last seconds? It sure would have looked better if LeBron had attempted a seven point play as… Read more »
It was the whole 4th quarter. I was by myself at college watching and thought he had quit. I texted a few friends and they thought the same thing during the game. This wasn’t some post hac conclusion because of sports radio. This was because it looked like he had given up. I wanted him pulled during the 4th. In hindsight it made the decision that much more barable because he quit
Source: Channing Frye from ORL to LAC deal (per Woj) is NOTHING in comparison to what the #Magic were trying to pull off. Details to follow. — David Baumann
I will be interested in what they were supposedly trying to do. Curious if they were trying to bring in a big name, or just high draft picks.
Here you go – *EXCLUSIVE* Source: @OrlandoMagic recently offered Vucevic & A. Gordon for @LAClippers’ Blake Griffin (other assets involved). Offer denied. — Baumann
Wow, that’s pretty big. Wishful thinking, but thinking big.
Maybe the Magic will spurn Doc with Frye and trade him elsewhere.
Sources: If Frye deal to Clippers goes through on Wednesday, Stephenson would never play a game for Orlando. Magic will waive him. — Woj
Wow!!!!
Frye remains a significant target for several teams, including the Cleveland Cavaliers, sources tell @TheVertical. — Woj
Sources: Clippers are working on a bigger deal using Stephenson’s contract, but that is a longshot. Most likely scenario still Orlando deal. — Woj
Sounds like probably a no for the Cavs. But if deal falls through with Clips perhaps it’s a go?
At this point, I’m thinking it’s *maybe* Iso Joe *if* he gets bought out (even if he does, there are teams other than the Cavs in play), or nothing. I wouldn’t be shocked if something else dropped, but I’d be pretty surprised.
Yeah you never know… I’d take Joe or Frye on the cheap. But I won’t lose sleep if we miss out.
Same here. Keep core, deal small pieces if needed. No deals no problem.
The Los Angeles Clippers are nearing agreement on a deal to acquire Orlando’s Channing Frye, league sources tell @TheVertical. — Woj
He’ll definitely get more PT with Griffin out.
Clippers would Lance Stephenson in a deal with Magic, but league sources say Clippers probing another deal elsewhere with Stephenson too. — Woj
Clippers could turn back to Orlando and complete Frye deal that would include Stephenson, CJ Wilcox and possibly a future 2nd rounder. — Woj
Sources: For tonight, Clippers holding back on finalizing Frye deal with Orlando. Clippers plans to give Orlando final word on Wednesday. — Woj
SIMMO A ” BELATED ” SHOUT AND THANKS TO YOU — I am so humbled !!——-B ) I WILL BRING THE BEER AND C) YES YOU HAD BETTER BRING YOUR EAR PLUGS —-HIGH SCHOOL COACHES ( AT LEAST THIS ONE ) ARE NOT SOFT SPOKEN —CHECK WITH MY PLAYERS FROM THE PAST 25 YEARS
I actually carry ear plugs all the time. I love live music. Living in a college town, I can check some out pretty much every night, and usually wind up in front. I was front and center for the Rolling Stones at the Akron Rubber Bowl in 1973. Rebounding skills are good when 50,000 people are pushing you from behind.
RAOUL—A ” BELATED ” THANKS —I AM HUMBLED ( NOT TOO OFTEN THAT HAPPENS ) —- I CAN ( LIKE MOST COACHES ) CAN BE A RATHER OBNOXIOS / OVER ZEALOUS FAN AND GET A FEW ” ALES ” IN ME AND IT CAN BECOME VERY INTERESTING —BUT IF EVER THE CHANCE WOULD ENJOY VIEWING A GAME WITH NOT ONLY YOU BUT THE ENTIRE CTB FAMILY ( SERIOUSLY WE SHOULD APPROACH UNCLE DAN WITH THE IDEA OF SELLING US A SECTION FOR THE CTB CREW FOR JUST 1 GAME —AFTER ALL WE ARE HIS BEST SUPPORTERS / DECISION MAKERS THAT… Read more »
“We see Brandon and Ersan as really good fits both short-term and long-term for us.” — Rob Hennigan
This sounds like something that pretty much every GM has stated. I’m pretty sure it’s been said by CG or DG.
Detroit is still probing the market for a veteran guard, league sources tell @TheVertical. — Woj
They don’t get any more veteran than Mo…
If I’m Griff, I offer Mo right now for Andre Drummond’s contract. Fair is fair…
Man, feel bad for Tiago and worse for MKG…
Anyone else get the feeling that Brian Windhorst and the other guys at ESPN just have a spinning wheel on their desk with names of players and names of teams interested?
*Whiirrrrrr* Looks like … Richard Jefferson, is being shopped to the *whiiiirrrrrrr* … New Orleans Pelicans!
Has Windy ever been *right* about a trade rumor? Or anyone at ESPN? Seems like they throw out all the supposed trade scenarios constantly, only to have Woj jump in with a trade that nobody saw coming, and they jump on it like they saw that coming for a month.
That’s what happens when you report every rumor/ offhand discussion. I’m sure most of the reports are true, but doesn’t mean much of the talk is serious.
But you’d think if they reported every single rumor they ever heard, they’d at least get a couple of them right.
Well, they may be ‘right’ about all of them, i.e., the chatter they report took place. Just goes to show how little of the chatter ever moves past just chatter.
TPE AND 2ND ROUND ( MAYBE 2 ) SHOULD BE ABLE TO SWING FRYE ——MAGIC IN THE ” DUMPING PAYROLL ” MODE RIGHT NOW —–WOULD GET THIS DONE QUICKLY IF I AM THE CAVS ( UNLESS THERE IS A BIGGER DEAL TO BE HAD WITH THE TPE )—-DOES TOBIAS MAKE THE PSTONS A LEGIT THREAT IN THE EAST—–FIGURED TODAY WOULD INITIATE / TRIGGER THE TRADING FRENZY ———-GREAT JOB EVIL ( AND ALL YOU READERS ) —ENJOYED THE READ TODAY !!——–YES TOM THAT WAS NOMAD BEING LOUD !!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks NOMAD! By the way… in case you were worried…
Toronto is not a contender.
If Lebron and Steph both broke their legs they would have a chance
Raps have a better chance than Cavs at Warriors.
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 5m5 minutes ago
ESPN sources say Hornets and Rockets have discussed a potential Dwight Howard-to-Charlotte trade but have not managed to find workable deal
Griffin needs to trade a future 1st and 2nd for Frye right now.
Maybe the TPE and a second?
Sure, if not a 1st a first and the TPe should get it done.
I don’t think they will give up a first for Channing Frye. The first one they could give up would be 2018.
They should. I don’t know if Orlando would think that’s enough. A really late 1st round pick isn’t worth much. Maybe Cedi plus the TPE?
Cedi’s had a rough year….
Uh, Orlando might have to give up a pick to get someone to take Frye. They aren’t getting a first for him.
Memphis is trading Courtney Lee to Charlotte, sources tell @TheVertical — Woj
Charlotte’s Brian Roberts will move to Miami as part of three-team deal with Charlotte and Memphis, sources tell @TheVertical — Woj
Heat Acquire Brian Roberts In Three-Team Deal, Will Send Two 2nd Round Picks, Chris Andersen To Grizzlies: basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240824…
I can’t wait until Thursday at 3 p.m. so I can stop hearing about the stupid Boston trade of Crowder and Boston’s Nets pick for Kevin Love.
1) I’d have to go with a 6 or 7. I’ve missed quite a few games this year, but I’ve also moved and had a baby, so I’ve been slightly pre-occupied. I’m definitely not fair-weather though, as I endured those Rickey Davis and Jamario Moon-era Cavs teams. 2) Favorite Cav is a tough one. Historically, I’d probably have to say Mark Price. 2000’s era, I’d probably lean towards Andy. He was always the gritty hard-worker that embodied “Cleveland”. In 2008 or 09, someone asked me if I’d ever buy a Lebron jersey, and I told them, I’d probably get an… Read more »
Pistons & Magic are progressing on deal that would send Tobias Harris to Detroit & Brandon Jennings/Ersan Ilyasova to Orlando, I’m told. — Sam Amick
Magic have traded Tobias Harris to Pistons for Brandon Jennings and Ersan Ilyasova, per ESPN. — Sam Amico
Looks like deal is done. What is Orlando thinking?
Maybe they want to move Jennings to SG and trade Oladipo? Idk, maybe more plans in the works, thats a lot of PFs on their roster now.
Maybe they’ll make Channing Fry available?
That’s what I’m guessing. I actually don’t mind this move if they can move Fry and get somebody worth while for their 3 spot.
I think it’s harder to find 3’s that play both sides of the ball.
Actually to me, what is Detroit thinking? Ilyasova is a nice piece and fits perfectly with their starting squad. Harris can’t shoot like Ilyasova… maybe it makes both squads worse.
I think it’s a harder type of player to find. He plays both sides of the ball too. Maybe they’ll go after Frye now?
I can sort of see it, but this sure looks to help the Pistons more than the Magic. Should make the Pistons better.
Looks like Magic is shopping Frye: ESPN sources say Orlando has been trying to move Channing Frye in advance of Thursday’s trade deadline. He’s… es.pn/1XvSv0c
Marc Stein
ESPN Senior Writer
ESPN sources say Orlando has been trying to move Channing Frye in advance of Thursday’s trade deadline. He’s likely even more available now with Ersan Ilyasova on the way
Offer a 1st, 2nd and the trade exception for Frye.
Love the Reader 5-on-5’s. I agree with Tom, these should happen more often! 1) My fandom is a sliding scale ranging from 4 around July-September, 6 at the start of the regular season and full-blown 10 by Finals time when I eat, breathe and live Cavs every second of existence. For me it can just be hard to stay excited during such a long season where I don’t even have access to watching all the games. I’ve always been a basketball fan and liked a lot of teams growing up, but as an adult became Cavs- and LeBron-obsessed by default.… Read more »
Agree with #4, which is very frustrating. I’m still waiting for this team to play up to their capabilities. 14 losses with this roster? That’s almost funny. We were better than GS last year and essentially outplayed them in the Finals until our guys ran out of steam in the 4th quarter each game because we were so injured and banged up. We added better depth, yet have regressed all over the place. I hate it! Can’t wait for this team to continue to get practice time and hit their stride in the second half; start beating bad teams by… Read more »
Many thanks to Simmo, Hot Sauce, TV63, Raoul and JMay who all did such an awesome job on these answers! Really so cool to get to know you all from thousands of miles away! My own answers would be as follows: 1) Based on how much time I spend watching, commenting, blogging and obsessing about the Cavs, I’d have to say 10… I’ve also been watching them since AC was still playing and have managed to corrupt my kids into also being rabid Cavs fans (even though they were both born here in L.A.)… 2) I’ll do it by era…… Read more »
I’ve been a daily reader of this blog since The Decision. I was looking for an outlet/empathy after getting my heart ripped out in 2010 and this blog really provided that for me. Haven’t really posted anything before, but thought I’d take the opportunity to introduce myself and get more involved… 1) On a scale of 1 (casual observer) to 10 (face-painted fanatic), describe your level of Cavalier obsession, and what got you there? 8. I grew up in Oxford, OH 45 mins north of Cincinnati. I had always been a die-hard Cincinnati sports fan but also loved playing and… Read more »
Very nice !!! You know your Purple Rain dialogue. Picturing Moz running naked a la Apollonia into Lake Erie (with his winter hat of course) is a scary vision. Don’t think Moz would fit on the back of a motorcycle though.
Welcome officially to the Cavsylum, Jwhodey! Thanks for sharing… and for the Purple Rain reference!
Even though Lebron is my favorite player, the Decision made me realize that I was and am a Cleveland Cavaliers fan, which trumps any single player by a wide margin.
You know it EG, I would totally bring the vegemite. When we lived in Cleveland I asked for an emergency shipment of 5 tubes of vegemite to get me through the winters. That’s quite a lot, but we used them all. Who knew that the best snack when a little boozed is a cheese and vegemite toasted sandwich? Yes I promise to chef these for y’all on the floor of the Q when you get the party organised.
1) On the 1-10 scale a aolid 9. Listened to the Miracle at Richfield clincher on my car radio in when I lived in Iowa. The reception was only good in one affluent neighborhood, and I yelled so loud after Snyder’s shot a neighborhood resident where I was parked called the cops, since they thought someone was getting robbed/kidnapped in my car. I had to convince the cops I was really just listening to a basketball game. 2) LeBron is not always awesome, but still my favorite Cav all time. Actually, got emotional after I read his “Coming Home” essay… Read more »
I absolutely love your story for answer to question 1!
I have spent plenty of time in cars listening to games. I would try to time driving events to coincide with sports events. After about 10 tries, I finally got a radio that works as good as a car radio for long distance picking up Cleveland 1100. Unfortunately, it uses batteries.
A major bummer is that Columbus 105.5 switched from CBS Sports talk + Cleveland sports to some variant of Urban contemporary. That station is actually located in Lancaster, and came in pretty good throughout SE Ohio. The CBS sports talkers are not a lame as the ESPN ones.
Check this out for a radio that gets long distance as good as a car radio:
Sangean PR-D7
I am shocked that Hot Sauce’s favorite player is not Delonte West. 1. Cleveland sports fan of about 8. I remember attending a playoff game for the Cleveland Force (soccer) at the Richfield Coliseum in the mid-80’s, which was a madhouse. Cleveland fans, myself included, become ravenous for any sports team that will almost win. I’m a grown man and had a Fathead poster of Lebron on my wall during Lebron 1.0, which met a gruesome end when things went South, literally. 2. Easily, Lebron is my favorite player. Any other player would be just for fun. 3. The Spurs… Read more »
Speaking of Australian Rules Football, remember the early days of ESPN TV? They did not yet have much programming, and every night about midnight in Ohio they had ARF. A few times I was in a bar hanging with people with a jock background, and we would watch ARF and try to figure out what the heck they were trying to do, or what the rules could possibly be. This was in the pre-Google days, and no one could ever figure the rules out. It appeared you could take three steps with the ball, and then you had to kick… Read more »
4) If I had all of the answers in the world, and Kevin Love was indeed not a great fit here, I would figure out a way to trade Kevin Love for Blake Griffin.
People are forgetting how great Blake was last year in the playoffs. He was probably the best player in the playoffs until his team got bounced.
Blake is not an upgrade over Love for the Cavs. Blake is also a great player, maybe better than Kevin, but they both present the same problems to a LeBron team. Neither protects the rim very well as a small ball five. Blake has even less of an outside shot to stretch the floor.(though improving) Both need to have relatively high usage to take advantage of great passing ability. DeAndre Jordan would make more sense on the Cavs than Blake would.
1.) Traditionally, I’ve been the nuttiest Cavs fan I know by a mile, so I’d say a 10, but this blog has reminded me that the pond is quite big. My fandom is a little like LeBron’s effort level. I coast, have my chill mode moments (boring regular season games) but in the playoffs I go quite insane. Overall: 9. Interestingly, I could have written most of Hot Sauce’s “how I got here” description and been telling the truth. I was baptized by Joe Tait in the late 80s, lived and died by the grinding Mike Fratello teams (loved Terrell… Read more »
And actually, bonus question that I just created: “Who would you most like to listen to a CtB podcast with?” Answer: Cols all day, every day. I need to find the podcast where Cols live-commented as he listened. Back then we didn’t get as many comments on our posts. I was getting an email update like every 2 seconds.
Naming your next kid after LBJ would qualify as an 11 for fanaticism, LOL…
That team in your question 4 answer would win 5 championships…
Brilliant probable Ben and NOMAD quotes!
agree on all accounts, EG.
1. 9. Can’t be like the dunk contest. There has to be something above where I am. 2. Big Z, Andy, Tyrone Hill, Delly(climbing) Larry Nance, Price, Brandon, Andre Miller 3. What Tom said. Spurs game. 4. LeBron would understand what it really means to be coachable. 5. Tom and Nate. We are so ridiculously optimistic. That is why we have to so frequently fight the “everything’s great” vibe. Ya know, a pragmatic approach to dealing with impending doom. Dealing with problems now is better than closing one’s eyes to it. And the problem at hand would be how to… Read more »
Ray Allen is still a free agent. Just sign him up.
Ya know, what? I might be for it at this point. I don’t care if he ever steps on the floor. Maybe Ray can get LeBron to stop breaking his left hip on every jumper.
What some people don’t realize is that Ray Ray didn’t actually need any makeup for this Uncle Drew ad…
Also, I’m pretty calm during most of the games. I don’t like to yell too much, but I do get pumped when awesome things happen.
Windy suggested that Thabo Sefolosha may get thrown into the mix in a deal btw the Cavs/Hawks. I don’t know Thabo’s current stats, but I’d almost prefer him over Korver.
Not that there is a current deal on the table.
I think Windy is now drafting on what Terry Pluto said over the weekend about Thabo and Korver for Shump… Well, I suppose he is kind of a mentee of TP’s…
Pluto’s book “Our Tribe” is a great Father’s Day gift fyi
Love TP’s books… I think I own them all at this point…
Did Pluto say this? I’m pretty sure this was just me and Tom Spitballing on twitter.
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2016/02/cleveland_cavaliers_have_terry_39.html#incart_river_index
Really enjoyed this. We’re fortunate to have such a phenomenal collection of readers. Maybe we should make this a quarterly thing.
BTW
The All-Star game is how basketball should be played. Every game should be over 150 points. That would be pretty awesome to watch.
Cols you might be more interested in the Harlem Globetrotters if you feel that way. That All-Star game was pretty unwatchable.
Anytime anyone feels the urge to argue with Cols, just remember this post.
There should also just be continuous action like in soccer… no timeouts… just scoring at will /s…
Or maybe the NBA should be like hockey: Let players on one team go 5/4 for one half, and then reverse it for the second half, or reverse the 5/4 by quarter. Perahps the 200 pt barrier would be broken then. But then we do get that a little with Mo right now. BTW, what a sourpuss he is with that latest tweet and I was a fan of Mo 1.0.
I love the reader 5 on 5. We need to do this more than once a year. Outstanding responses from everyone. I really enjoyed getting to know you better.
Simmo – the Cavs are -3.4 points per game worse than opponents with Mo Williams on the court and 9.4 points per game better than opponents with Mo Williams off the court. For a net of -12.8
Other Cavs:
James Jones: -6.5 On / 7.8 Off (-14.3)
Richard Jefferson: -2.4 On / 10.4 Off (-12.8)
Agree… maybe quarterly as Cory suggests below?
Yeah or even monthly! I know it’s a lot of work to format – maybe we can create temporary contributor accounts for folks and let them try their hand at wordpress?
I don’t mind the work… the hard part is coming up with interesting questions that don’t overlap with previous 5-on-5s… ;)
Thanks for the stats Tom – so my gut feel isn’t too far off then (that’s a rarity!).
1) On a scale of 1 (casual observer) to 10 (face-painted fanatic), describe your level of Cavalier obsession, and what got you there? 8. Mark Price. Terrell Brandon. LeBron James 2) Who is your all time favorite Cav? LeBron James 3) If there was one regular season game you could see or have seen in person this year, which would it be? The Lakers Kobe game 4) If you had the power to magically change one thing about this Cavs team, what would it be? Injuries. I would want zero injuries 5) What C:tB commenter would you most like to… Read more »
I can’t believe you didn’t answer 11 to question 1…
If you had answered anything other than Leb to question 2, I would have lost a sizeable bet…
I’d love to catch a game with you (I do drink the occasional brew), but I’d rather watch you and Tom watch a game… LOL
Nice work peoples!
I love the LeBron spiking the basketball gif. One of my all-time favorite moments. Sometimes when I’m listening to the CtBloggers panicking in a podcast, I search for that and watch it just to remind me how awesome that moment was.
One of my all-time favorite moments too. I get chills watching that clip.
Kudos to our fam EG..
Thanks RJ… you guys are what makes this blog a terrific place to hang out!
I can’t wait till February 18 (19 on my time zone) so Windy will shut his fat a$s down..
I sure agree. Nate too me to task for saying Windy has been too wrong with his predictions, but I do think he just throws ten things against the blackboard hoping one will stick. He sounds informed and knowledgeable on his podcasts, but Windy has had Love leaving Cleveland about three different times now.
Nate “took” me to task.
I have nothing against Windy personally, I just think he doesn’t have great sources in the LeBron and/or Cavs camp. He had Kyrie not re-signing here and no chance of LBJ coming back. He also had Love exploring the free agent market last year. Which means he was not getting great info.
Same here. But he was first hand info when he was on PD during Lebron era 1.0. I read most of his writing there , him and Pluto. But since he brought his talents to South Beach he was somehow thrown out of Lebron’s circle..
I think Windy has been out of the loop for a couple years. The LeBron fluffing after the Blatt firing might have been a grovel peace offering. When he said the Cavs wouldn’t trade for Morris, I took it as, it’s absolutely in play.
It’s not just Windy… the trade deadline is like a drug to all of these guys… I feel like they want so badly to make their bones in a Twitter/clickbait on-line reporting world that they just throw as many crazy darts at the board so they can get credit for being the first to say whatever sticks…
Echoing Simmo, this was my first 5-on-5. Everyone here should appreciate that none of this happens without EG. He organized it, formatted everything, expertly weaved in hyperlinks and videos, etc.. Great stuff. THANKS EG.
Hot Sauce, yeah, EG (and many others too) make this blog a lot of fun. EG is a very clever writer and I am always amazed at how quickly he can insert an appropriate video clip during in-game commentaries.
The writers on CtB are much better than the PD that’s for sure. This has to be one of the best basketball blogs in any market. the commentators are informed and generally balanced in their views, except Cols of course, in whose universe the sky is always blue, the winter grass is always green and LeBron is always awesome.
Really, so much fun. Means a lot to be able to contribute to something I spend so much of my time reading. Thanks EG!
You guys are too kind… I absolutely love these Reader 5-on-5s and they are a joy to put together. The one a year ago was kind of the genesis of me going from commenter to blogger, so they have a special place in my heart.
All five of you gave such great answers and ideas for images. Kudos to you for sharing a window into your Cavs fandom!
Always looking for candidates for future Reader 5-on-5s, so anyone else who wants in on the next one, drop me an email…
Just wanted to thank EG publicly for the invitation to contribute, and for the effort to make said contribution actually look reasonable.
Incidentally EG, the image of the Australian Rules Football and the syringe you found pretty much captures every text message my friends have sent me in the last four years.
Go Cavs!
My mom (who is from Newport, NSW) got me hooked on both ARF and cricket at an early age. I was the only kid on my street (and probably in the tri-state area) growing up outside of Akron with my own AR football and full cricket bat… Could never seem to get the neighborhood kids to get the gist of the rules… ;)
i am from lima ohio and knew both sports but did not have the gear. i dont remember the cable channel (early 80’s, memories suspect) but my parents thought is was peculiar that i enjoyed both sports.
My wife is from just a little bit south of Lima
small towns like wapakonetta, sidney, piqua that line I-75 south i enjoyed driving through when i was a teen. though things seem slower the people were always friendly. feels like CtB never fails to remind me people are much closer than first appear
Fun read as always! 1. I wanted to write 10 but I won’t go to any heights higher than maybe wearing a Cavs related stuff haha. Then again I know the hurt, joy and passion of being a Cavalier. I am a Jordan fan always will be. But to me Lebron reached that level of fandom from me maybe higher. I only started on the Cavs when Lebron got drafted. Since then I’ve been here and always will be even after he retires. Fortunately with Google’s help I’ve been able to re-witness the rich history of our team. 2. A… Read more »
Great original stuff guys! 1.)7. I catch as much Cavs as I can but I have missed games due to kids and life. I started watching in the Price era at Richfield. Pre-kids I was definitely a 9 (2011) and I was probably more like Nate watching games (cussing at fouls, going nuts over Cavs moments, etc). I don’t press the panic button as much now. 2.)Was Price, Now Lebron though in this 2.0 era I do love the cast behind him just as much. 3.) I think the best wins were OKC and SA so either of those. 4.)Interesting… Read more »
this absolutely made my morning. i even have fake voices that narrate in my head based on their name. i can second the fact that i want cols in the room if we are having a cavs house party. better yet, convince dan gilbert to let us have a corporate booth for just one game and let it be filled with CtB commenters. here is what i miss most: commenting on the games. sadly i have a work computer that i cant really use during the evenings that i cant use to comment during the games. also, tying on an… Read more »
We certainly miss you here C6H12O6! Let me know if you want us to speak to your boss… ;)