Random Thoughts on Free Agency
2017-07-06About a week in into the 2017-2018 season, and nothing is going at all as anyone envisioned. Well, except for Golden State getting the band back together. Now that Iggy and Livingston are back in the fold, the Dubs have signed Saggy P (Nick Young) and Omri Casspi, and were rumored to be signing Michael Beasley. It’s an interesting thought. The Dubs feel their culture can keep bad tendencies in check. If there was a hole in the Warriors’ armor last season, it was the lack of shooting on the bench. Half of me is hopeful this destroys chemistry, and half of me is terrified.
On this side of the country, things could not have gone better for the Cavs so far. They avoided doing something dumb like trading Kevin Love for a pending free agent, and were assisted by GarPax and Kevin Pritchard/Herb Simon who sent Jimmy Butler and Paul George out of the conference for far less than they could have received if they’d have traded them to the Cavs or Celtics (if rumors are to be believed).
The Paul George trade was absolutely mind-boggling. Somehow, Indiana did not get any draft picks and traded for the right to overpay Victor Oladipo and his $63 million contract, add a middling prospect in Sabonis, and this goes down as one of the worst trades in NBA history. Now the Thunder again have an elite shooter in George to pair with Westbrook. I can’t wait for Russ to ignore him in crunch time.
The Celics did sign Gordon Hayward, but with Boston looking to have to give up 2-4 rotation players to sign Hayward, I consider it a wash. And they still haven’t solved their rebounding problem. Plus, with the rumored losses of Crowder and/or Smart, they’ve lost a good bit of toughness/flopping.
I’m baffled why Hayward left the Jazz. Maybe he wanted to be “the man.” And with Gobert in Utah, he wasn’t going to be. Haywayrd’s going to a team whose best player is the biggest defensive liability in the NBA and whose big men don’t rebound. Meanwhile, he left a team with a crunch time scorer to take the pressure off of him (Joe Johnson), a newly acquired wizard point guard who actually can be effective against playoff teams (Ricky Rubio), and a big man who has as much potential as anyone in the NBA (Gobert). I guess Hayward wanted to go to the one team that valued white guys even more than the Jazz.
The Jazz should just say “screw it,” and make a big free agent offer to Tim Hardaway Jr, who averaged almost 16 last year, Kentavious Caldwell Pope, or go really nuts and chase Dion Waiters (though sadly this last ship has sailed).
Boston will be relying significantly on young players. Perhaps Jaylen Brown can improve a lot. He impressed me whenever I saw him last year. But again, their lack of big men is going to kill them.
I like what Atlanta’s done in free agency: nothing. Let all the other teams make the big deals then play hardball when you’re one of the few games in town.
Will anyone give anything to the Cavs for Shumpert? Who can they pawn him off on?
So much of this off-season for the Clips has been Doc Rivers the coach paying for the sins of Doc Rivers the GM. They just gave Atlanta a first rounder to eat Jamal Crawford’s contract. Still, the Clips will be fiesty with P-Bev running the show, if not particularly good shooters. It should be… odd.
For all of the angst that Phil Jackson engendered in New York, he’s left them in a pretty good situation, despite coming in with a dearth of draft picks and assets. Sure, there’s Joakim Noah’s contract albatross, but he found a rotation player in Willy Hernangomez by buying a second round pick in 2016, and he drafted the Zinger number four overall in 2015. He also set them up with promising French point guard Frank Ntilikina. What was Phil’s big sin? Floating the idea of trading Porzingis for a haul of draft picks and/or young players. Jackson’s biggest problems in New York were due to a terrible sense of public relations, not understanding that as team president he can’t motivate through the media like he did as a coach, and, yes, his insistence on running a pure triangle offense. It did often seem like Phil was trying to get fired at the end, despite his insistence that he wasn’t. The dude was a stubborn over-controlling fuddy duddy, but he did find talent for them.
The Cavs have made a good moves in re-signing Kover for a reasonable three years and $21 million, and have gotten a competent veteran point guard in Jose Calderon. They also have enough over 35 guys to qualify for a group rate on Golden Buckeye cards. I still am a little confused on how Calderon is an improvement over Deron Williams who, at times, looked electric next to LeBron. Why not just bring DWill back? Perhaps Deron thought he was getting more than the vet minimum (he’s not). Oh, I forgot. Calderon once played in Detroit. Dan knows him.
Most teams in the NBA are capped out. Only a few teams, including the Nets, Bulls, Pacers, and Suns (and now Jazz) have any cap room. Most NBA free agents and their agents simply underestimated how cash strapped this market was going to be, and no one cap rollback coming. The approximate $3 million dollar drop in the salary cap wiped out $90 million in cap dollars and put teams much closer to the luxury tax threshold. Even the tax averse Thunder may be paying the bill. Due to the idiotic contracts handed out last summer, the NBA turned $1 billion dollars in cap room last year into $400 million according Danny Leroux of the Sporting News (and that article was written before the NBA announced its new cap numbers).
Plenty of guys who opted out are going to eat it in this free agency. Rudy Gay inexplicably walked away from $14 million coming off one of the worst injuries a basketball player can have, an achilles tear. It’s hard to see him getting more than $8 million in this market. Also looking like fools for opting out or not picking up their player option: Aaron Baynes ($6.5 million), Dante Cunningham ($3.1 million), Dwayne Dedmon ($3 million – though theoretically he could up for a longer term deal)
In addition, some teams are looking equally foolish for paying big for their restricted free agents early in free agency, and not waiting to see what the market was. The Bucks signed Tony Snell to an inexplicable four year $46 million dollar deal. Because any time you can pay $11.5 mil a year to a wing who doesn’t even average nine points a game, you have to do it. It’s not as bad as four for $52 for Joe Ingles, though. He scores a whopping seven a game (though with Gordo’s absence, he’ll get more run).
I dare say that the Cavs probably overpaid for Korver, and could’ve probably waited a week and knocked a couple mil off his per-year offer. Kudos to Kover for not overplaying his hand and maximizing his value and the unique position the Cavs are in.
Another lesson of this free agency period? It’s going to be brutal for most restricted free agents. There are a couple exceptions. It’s hard to fault the Wizards for not extending Otto Porter last fall, but who knew he was going to blow up? It’s rough for them that the judged the market correctly and now have to decide whether to match a four year $106 million dollar deal on Otto Porter (a crap ton of money for a guy who didn’t average 14 points and can’t get his own shot). It’s safe to say, even if the Wizards match, the Nets are going to be throwing around whopping offers and screwing up a lot of teams’ free agency plans.
The good news for the Cavs, as long as Dan Gilbert is paying the luxury tax, is that plenty of guys who didn’t think they were going to have to take the minimum are going to have to take the minimum. And even after signing Cedi Osman, the Cavs may have have some money from the mid level exception to throw at someone. And there are LOTS of guys out there the Cavs could use. Here’s my list.
The wing Grinders: Tony Allen, the original Grindfather is a D-and-sometimes-3 player who is still among the NBA’s smartest and most elite perimeter defenders. The problem now is that offensively he only shoots 28% from three. An actual 3D guy who opted out of his contract, Luc-Richard Mbah A Moute shot 39% from three last year and was in the top 20 for forwards in dRPM. He’d be a great matchup on Durant. A few of our staff have advocated for trading for Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Well Thabo Sefalosha posts almost identical RPM numbers and is a better shooter.
I’ve advocated for K.J. McDaniels to be at the top of the Cavs’ free agent list. If they could get him for the minimum he’d be a great get. He’s as athletic as they come, and his per 36 numbers are 15.5 points, 6.4 rebounds, 1.5 steals, and 1.2 blocks. His RPM numbers aren’t great at -2.22, and he’s not a great shooter, but he’s only 24, and would have one of the league’s best shooting coaches, Kyle Korver.
Vince Carter’s 73 games and 1.3 RPM at age 40 were truly astounding last year. If Richard Jefferson retires, the Cavs should see if he has a year left. Gerald Henderson is 29, a nice finisher, and could slide into RJ’s role as a 3D, cut and finish guy. Henderson shot 35% from three last year which is good for him. Michael Beasley is still out there. He shot 43% from three last year. He’s still Michael Beasley.
The Gritty Guards: I’ve said all off-season that the Cavs’ number one priority is to find a way to at least play teams to a draw (including the Warriors) for 12 minutes a night when LeBron is on the bench. One guy that could help with that is Tyreke Evans. While never the healthiest player, Evans shot well from three the last two seasons, and is a guy who can play three positions (point, shooting guard, and small forward). He can certainly guard that turnaround by Shawn Livingston in the post. If the Cavs could give half their MLE to Cedi and half to Tyreke, would that be enough?
There are plenty of other guards who could be got on the low end: Shelvin Mack (good defender, streaky shooter), Tyler Ennis (just 22, good shooting percentages, and some nice games to foil the Lakers’ tanking plans late last year), Erick Green (G-League, and Euro standout – can’t finish but good defender with a nice floater), Shabazz Napier (Portland, desperate to cut salary would roll him into a Cavalier trade exception). Finally, there’s a rumor that elite shooter, Wayne Ellington may be cut by the Heat to clear cap room. If so, the Cavs should offer him a contract immediately or claim him off waivers using a trade exception.
The burly bigs. Unfortunately, the crop of big men here is pretty weak. Most are castoffs or guys who could never stick. There’s a couple intriguing options. Tarik Black and Thomas Robinson both posted PERs over 15, but Black fell out of the Lakers’ rotation and never recovered from the numbers game. Similar story with Robinson. Of the two, I’d rather see Black, since he can actually shoot. Donatas Montejunas ended the season with a whimper, posting some truly dreadful shooting numbers 41%/23%/51%. The Cavs don’t need three guys with gimpy backs.
The Cavs could do a hell of a lot worse than Ersan Ilyasova. Ilyasova never seems to stick but he shot 35% from three last year, averaged 13 and 6 in 26 minutes, posted 1.72 RPM (13th among power forwards) last year, and is a much better defender than Frye (that wouldn’t be hard). If the Cavs move Frye, or even if they just want another stretch big, Ersan would be a fine choice.
It’s hard to believe that Jared Sullinger is just 25 and may be out of the league after this year.
Aaron Baynes would work as a thugtimidator.
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The NBA has a real parity problem, and it’s costing the rank and file players. The cap dip was directly caused by a lack of TV revenue because of uncompetitive games in the playoffs (the Finals teams went a combined 24-1 on the way to the finals, leaving 17 potential big ratings games unplayed). Further, the rumor is that even more teams are going to tank next year, compounding the problem. To top that off, most that weren’t free agents in the last two years got absolutely SCREWED this year. A leadership that valued players over stars would’ve smoothed in the revenue increase to spread it equitably instead of increasing the divide between the big contracts and the small ones. Also, Kevin Durant signing a deal well below market value just to save his owner some luxury tax can’t sit well with a lot of players. The NBAPA having big money stars like LeBron and Chris Paul at the top of their leadership is a problem.
With the arms race in the West, why would LeBron want to go out there? He’s not dumb.
The Cavs have 10 players under contract not including Kay Felder and Edy Tavares who I don’t consider anything more than training camp invites at this point. Rumors of Jefferson’s and Frye’s retirements have floated. Jefferson I could believe, but Frye makes too much money to hang it up. Still, the Cavs have plenty of flexibility and there are plenty of guys who are going to be available on the cheap. A roster upgrade can be done, and there are always trades… But that is a story for another time.
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Intriguing pickup IMO…. got the lengthy wing defender who’s not ancient LOL.
He’s not very good. But it’s a Vet minimum deal so meh!
He disappoints every year, but, yeah, vet min, so whatever…
Yeah if Lue won’t play Derrick Williams not sure why Jeff Green would get many minutes.
And for that matter, Derrick Williams > Jeff Green at this point given last year’s performances.
Because Williams was in Cavs system and Green was floundering around with Orlando. Put Green in our system with tons of spacing and he will be fine.
Yup.
That was unexpected. At least he isn’t 35+.
Bucks making their move… Cavs can’t create off the dribble at all.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883473101735854080
Tavares looking good vs Thon Maker. Maybe he can develop into a young 10-15 min/game big for us.
Still see defense as this team’s weakness. We scored against gs. We couldn’t defend them at all. We need more than anything a 3 and D guy to match up with Durant so we have one other guy besides James to prevent utter hemorraging points against Durant lineups. Defense won’t magically fix itself with our personnel.
LMAO… rage TO by the Bucks head coach….
https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/883466242031570944
Lol Crawford wants the full MLE. No thanks!
Vet minimum… period.
I’d love him at vet min, but they really can’t sign him for more than that…not if they want to sign Osman…
Agree completely. Not at that kind of money.
please lose
Zaza back with the Dubs!
https://twitter.com/PrioritySports/status/883466816898682880
Man… the defense of this squad is very impressive…. absolutely stifling the Bucks.
Wow… Bucks should be embarrassed… they got two guys who played in the NBA, a couple of big time names… and they’re getting owned by the Cavs so far. And all the Cavs have really done is play defense.
As soon as I criticize the shooting… couple of jump shots go down!
There’s a bunch of young, athletic, defensive-minded players on this Summer League squad for the Cavs. Downside is they don’t appear to be good jump shooters.
I like that T.J. Williams kid. I can see him overstepping Kay.
Thanks for the tip…. will check him out!
Damn… Felder with the dive to steal the ball and draws the foul!
Kay Felder clearly told to work on his shooting…. not going so great in the early going.
I usually can’t stand Seth Greenberg given his rivalry with Duke, but I totally agree with him sticking up for LBJ.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/883454363313688576
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Well that didn’t work as planned. Not interested in anyone else who can’t play defense. Why are we doing this?!
Taveres with a nice hook shot in the lane. Nice block by this kid from Florida.
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Give me Gerald Henderson, Luc, or I guess Thabo. But those guys are probably all getting paid more than we can offer.
Those guys are fine but don’t solve the problem of playing teams to a draw for 12 minutes a night while LeBron is on bench.
They certainly help though. When we run our Kyrie lineups while LeBron is on the bench those guys can defend and sit in the corner while Kyrie does his thing.
I agree about Tyreke, I’d like him too, but I’d rather one of these guys.
Rather both.
They need a third playmaker that can play against Dubs. That’s the longest and short of it.
A draw? Cavs get blown the hell out of the gym the second Lebron sits.
I hate the warriors more than I have hated anything in sports (from a competitive standpoint). But man, that organization is run so well, it runs circles around ours.
Yeah, having a salary cap spike happen right when the 2nd best player wants to join your team is certainly a brainy move that only the best organizations could possibly make. No one else could have ever thought of making that move. We signed LeBron. We signed Kyrie. We traded for Love and JR and drafted TT. And kept all these guys together. They had to go get Durant to beat us and they were only able to do this because of Curry’s contract and the salary cap spike. Before that they were spending all their money on a David… Read more »
Agree with Cols.
Cols once again offering insightful analysis. This is fairly common, but interrupted by bizarre “off meds” episodes.
Kind of ridiculous to give the Warriors FO any credit other than for drafting Klay and Draymond. Like Cols said, they were incredibly lucky. Curry becoming a 2 time MVP and riding the biggest bargain contract in NBA history; Durant pulling the biggest anti-competitive move in NBA history; and being able to throw money at the second best player in the NBA because the cap spikes more than at any point in NBA history.
Luck favors the prepared
Tyreke Evans re-signing with Memphis is the offseason’s most depressing deal. $3.3 million is an absolute bargain that Cavs could’ve beat.
bingo
Could we have? Or are we saving the mid level for Cedi?
Perhaps. I might have forgone that for 20 minutes of tyreke a night.
Lots of guys still out there. Having to go over 3.3M to sign Tyreke doesn’t sound that great.
Guy who can get his own shot, play three positions and shot 43% on threes last year? Sounds horrible.
No. I mean that’s fine. I’d rather wait and see if we can get Luc or Gerald Hendrson or even as a last resort Thabo before Tyreke.
Tyreke would have been a fantastic addition. I’m not sure there are better realistic options out there. $3.3M is absurd.
Yeah, but we would have had to beat the 3.3M and he would’ve had to want to leave Memphis.
Not disagreeing with that. But I’d rather have Tyreke than the guys you mentioned.
Oh, OK. Maybe I suck. I thought we were looking more for wing defense.
Cavs are but guy who can supplant LeBron for 12 minutes a night is more important.
File that under, “things that would be doable if the Cavs had a credible GM.”
As much as I dislike Boston, I really like what they are doing. Signing Hayward is a fantastic move, even though they have to “get rid of their depth” in order to do so. With that said, I’d do the same thing if I were them. I don’t think they signed Hayward to be the #1 guy on a championship team. I think they signed him in hopes that Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, and next year’s Brooklyn pick (almost assuredly top 3, if not #1) all turn into studs. Then they are looking at having 4 stars, with Hayward being… Read more »
The chance of Brown and Tatum or even one of those guys being better than Hayward is close to zero.
Huh? Do you make a habit of betting against high lottery picks?
Yeah, how many high lottery picks that aren’t #1 are as good as Hayward?
I’m not saying the chances are great, but the chances are at least decent that Brown, Tatum or next year’s #1 pick end up better than Hayward. My point is that they nabbed a very good player and kept their high-upside assets rather than give up the high-upside assets in order to surround Hayward with the try hard guys (Crowder, Olynyk, etc.)
Agree with Cols. It’s amazing how much lottery picks are over-valued relative to established good players. They are very low probability of success.
Established superstars > lottery picks
Lottery picks > established role players
Generally agree. But I would weaken the first statement to “stars” from “superstars.”
If they get Michael Porter Jr next year then they will be set.
It sure would be nice if Melo got that buyout.
That’s how this organization runs. It sure would be nice if another all-time great was born in Akron.
Once again, what do you want a team that only has some of the midlevel and vet minimums to offer?
Have you not read the above article? Plus, if Griffin wan’t let go, how could you still question is creativity?
That’s all we have to offer. We don’t have anything else. What do you want me to say?
Your hatred for our front office is a joke. Regardless of who our GM is, our hands are 100% tied. What don’t you understand about that?
The front office IS a joke. When you’re not working day and night to put the second greatest player of all time in a position to win more championships the summer before the last year of his contract, you’re a joke. That level of competence and relentless execution is not something this organization ever understood. Especially after letting the GM go that was the best front office member this organization has ever had. Good enough never is. We have Lebron, we have to get better around him every year. We owe that to him for everything he does. Are we… Read more »
Please explain what pieces we can trade away that other teams want, to get better talent in return?
Players are signing for more money than we can offer them. There is basically nothing we can do right now until the dust settles. You’re crapping on the same front office that put together a championship team. I’d love to know what moves you think we can make right now or what moves we have missed out on?
Maybe we can trade our 2025 2nd round pick for a stud. /s
You talk as if the draft picks and cap space are the only assets a team can have. Everything is an asset. Every player is an asset. Lebron and Kyrie are going to pound the rock no matter what. They need athletic defenders that can shoot around them. Front office should be working day and night to make that happen. If they can get better defensively and more athletic by trading anyone (Love, TT, Shump, Frye) front office needs to do it. This is it. This is the last year of Lebron’s contract. The last years of his championship windows.… Read more »
Griffin was also able to get “creative” by giving away draft picks. We don’t have draft picks to give away anymore; at least none that have any real value.
Steph “Pouty” Curry was born in Akron.
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I get that Washington can’t let Porter go for nothing, but doesn’t this essentially doom them to never being an elite squad? You now have no cap flexibility with Wall, Beal and Porter on max deals (or soon to be max deals). I guess it’s a business and being a top 4 seed in the East = playoffs and money, but man. You’re literally ensuring that you’ll never win a title with your core.
Yeah. That’s the rub. You have to draft well. They screwed up by not extending his rookie deal.
To be fair to them though, Porter was pretty bad his first couple of years.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883355470769127424
Seems like he is looking only for a one year deal. Would help contenders tremendously.
Detroit renounced the pope? Yikes
Why no Cedi?
I guess they haven’t worked out his contract details? Probably helps to have a GM for these types of things.
Wait, I thought uncle Dan wore the owner/gm/president of ops and shooting coach hat…
Pretending Koby Altman doesn’t exist is one way to slag on the Cavs.
How much is Altman and how much is Gilbert? You don’t know, and nobody knows. Does Altman even have any power? Nobody knows. Is Altman a good GM? Nobody knows. What impresses you so much about him? Resigning Korver, or the Calderon signing? Are you just spinning any Cavs news, no matter how bad or good it is in reality? Magic 8 ball says ‘very likely yes’.
From all accounts Altman is the guy.
My bet is that they are still negotiating. I bet they also don’t want to sign him before before national team play in case he gets hurt. Also, it’s much easier to trade his rights if there is a trade than to trade his salary.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883330316911378433
I guess they couldn’t secure a trade for Crowder.
It only saves them about 3mil… Not sure.
They needed to do it to sign Hayward.
I thought they needed to dump much more than 3 mil…
Pretty big loss for them, but he’s about to be very expensive. It’s funny how the Crowder contract is far more valuable than Crowder the player has ever been.
Celts trade Bradley to the Pistons for Morris’s slightly smaller contract.
Not sure why the Celtics would do this trade?
Dumps a guy that they didn’t want to give a max to, at a position which they they are overloaded, for a guy who at least gives them more size and who is on a cheap contract.
If we sign Jamal Crawford, I’m going to toss up my hands in frustration because I have no idea what the Cavs are doing.
Joe Ingles is worth his money. He is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. He shut down Reddick and affected CP3. He can also create a bit if needed and shot 44% from 3 on about 4 attempts per game.
Just weird to see role players making that scratch. Especially restricted free agents. I know Ingles was a but different because they wanted to get Hayward’s friend under contract.
Yep. This is why complaining about JR Smith or TT’s contract makes no sense.
My Crazy Carmelo Anthony trade. Philly gets a protected first rounder from New Orleans in this. The Knicks get three #tankstrong prospects, and waiving Ajinca, and Pondexter, is MUCH cheaper than buying out Melo.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybz7ykkz
The only problem is that Shump, Frye, RJ, and the little guy are collectively much better than Carmelo at this point in his career.
How do you make the determination that those 4 players are collectively better than Carmelo? I’d trade those 4 for Carmelo in a heartbeat. We would be much better for it. You also have to consider the players we’d sign to replace 3 of those guys. Frye is unplayable against GS. Shump is utter garbage (below average defensively and atrocious on offense). Felder is a bad 2nd round pick that has about a 3% chance of becoming Nate Robinson and a 97% chance of being out of the NBA in a few years. RJ is a solid veteran and he’s… Read more »
Would be interested in how Melo holds up defensively if he is actually trying…
JMay – that’s the most exciting part for me. I imagine Melo getting into the LeBron workout routine and going 100% effort all season. I don’t think we’ve seen close to what Melo is still capable of. He’s been stuck on a bad Knicks team with no future. I’d absolutely love to see Melo chasing a ring playing alongside LeBron. The guy would flourish.
Don’t forget Melo is a major reason why all the teams he has played on underachieved. Is LeBron’s influence enough to turn him into a team player? Or will he still be a total gunner, and a big crybaby if he has to come off the bench?
And, it is not at all obvious that vet min guys are better than the four Cavs mentioned. Probably KF.
The only way Melo is worth it is if he comes free.
When has Melo every been a big crybaby? Sure, he might not be talented enough to carry a bunch of atrocious players deep into the playoffs, but what has he ever had in New York? That team absolutely sucks.
The guy is a great scorer and would be a great complement on this team. In no universe are Shump, Frye, Felder and RJ more valuable than Melo.
Echo your sentiments. You could replace most of them quite easily with vet minimum guys.
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All the moves so far, including the rumors, have never addressed our need for defensive improvement. Such a downer to think. How can other teams move fast and address their needs at the same time and we can’t. What’s really the plan Dan????????????????
Because we can only offer the vet min and part of the mle.
There are few exceptions, one of them expiring next week that Cavs can use to add players.
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/cap/
Because the Cavs are by far the 2nd best team in basketball. Only the Warriors are better. We have already built our team. All the other teams that are throwing large contracts around are doing so in hopes that they can MAYBE be close to the Cavs. It’s easy to look at other teams and say man, they really improved this offseason, when they have so much to improve on. If not for playing the greatest team ever assembled in the NBA, we would be back-to-back champs. We have 3 superstars on our roster. There isn’t that much room to… Read more »
Oh, and blaming Gilbert on any of this is stupid. We are maxed out beyond belief. Unless you think Griffin or Billups could get Carmelo for Shump, what on earth can we do? We have to hope we can facilitate a larger trade for someone using our trade exception or hope for a buyout and a guy wanting to play for the minimum.
Thanks Gordon. This is correct.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883156180410945536
Wow. We need to do everything to get Avery Bradley. Seriously.
and/or Jae Crowder.
We can’t. We don’t have anything to offer.
We have trade exceptions! Several!
They aren’t trading Bradley for nothing but a trade exception.
Should have included /s None of our TEs even could fit Bradley…
Please explain to me why Boston, who is making moves in order to compete with us, would give us Avery Bradley?
Donavan Mitchell just punked Jayson Tatum twice one on one… How did this kid fall to 13???
Ilyasova and Mbah A Moute are good gets. Much better than Crawford.
If Rudy Gay comes off the bench, fall in line with the system (highly capable since he did it with the Grizz) he be a success for RC Buford & Co. The Spurs got stronger with that signing imo.
What are the Cavs doing? Jamal Crawford? Jose Calderon? Do people have bird poop for brains?
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Isn’t Shump $10 M?
I’d rather keep Shump.
I’d rather not. Cost us the finals.
Lose Shump and we don’t have a replacement. Maybe he grows into his role more. Teams like the Cavs can only offer vet min and parts of the MLe to players. This is why trading Shump and getting nothing back just lowers gilberts tax bill and gets us nothing.
I think we both agree that Shump might never reach his ceiling, therefore I think it’s worth the gamble to trade him for some players who are projected to be worse since this offseason might be his highest market value.
As long as we sign someone like Mbah A Moute, I think that’s an upgrade already over Shump.
Or Korver and eventually Wade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shump.
Yes. But trading him for the Houston contracts is trading him for essentially nothing.
I’d rather have a 10m dollar trade exception instead of Shump.
Yeah. I’d do it for the trade exception. But not for nothing.
Plenty of vet minimum guys you could replace Shump with. Good move. Of course D’antoni is smart enough not to let him dribble.
That onlynyk deal is nuts. How many mediocre guys who can’t even score ten points a game are getting eight figures per year?
As far as 10 ppg, slight correction to the article, Otto Porter averaged 13.6 ppg. He also shot 51.6% from the field and 43.4% from 3. It is still an insane contract from sac town though.
So disrespectful for the 2015 Finals MVP, Nate….
https://twitter.com/TroydanGaming/status/883110663224258561
???
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883117051312779264
Damn…. nice call Nate!!! Basically called it with 8m!
Thanks.
That’s more than I thought he’d get coming off injury. Probably still should have done the opt in with the Kings for 14 mill, but if he wanted out badly enough, more power to him.
Yikes
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883119989053632513
Carter was just talking about this in Summer League broadcasts.
That’s quite a get for a 40 year old
Absolutely… more power to him…. apparently he’s very diligent about taking care of his body.
The Kings are getting so many old guys that they have no more young players for the elders to teach.
James Johnson off the board
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/883114013110022144
Man, he would of been a great add
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883108947808460804
Hahahaha what is wrong with the world
GUESS I DON’T HAVE TO PROMOTE ” MY MAN MORELAND ” ANYMORE ——PISTONS JUST SIGNED HIM
IF YOU GET CRAWFORD ON ” THE CHEAP ‘ I SAY TO DO IT BUT NO MORE
” GERIATRICS ” . GUESS WE’ LL JUST HAVE TO OUTSCORE THE OPPONENTS / SUBS —–KEEP TRAVARES AND SEE IF THERE IS SOME YOUNG BLOOD WE CAN STILL GET…..GUESS ” ENCHILADA ” IS NOT IN THE PICTURE WHICH I AM SOMEWHAT DISSAPOINTED AS I THINK HE HAS POTENTIAL TO BE A SOLID ROLE PLAYER FOR SEVERAL YEARS
https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/883095891875209216
Wayne Ellington is better than Crawford. Though getting Jamal for cheap would be fine, I like competent two way guys. Evans & Ilyasova are intetesting. Tony Allen is a good enough cutter that his shooting issues don’t hurt you that much. Keep Tavares. RJ & Frye are not retiring.
Great piece
Good article. Hoping being on the trade block pushes Klove even harder. He was good in the playoffs, hope he can be great. Cavs pls sign some younger athletic guys – too many geriatrics! I dont like Calderon signing, esp if we could have had dwill .
Also spurs didnt make any moves, wonder what their future holds. Lma is over
https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/883079936726228992
If he signs I hope they don’t use the entire MLE on him. And it will be fun watching the 3-point barrage.
And Luc previously played with Crawford, so maybe he’ll come to the Cavs too, I’m spitballing.
Full circle possibly for Jamal… back to the team that drafted him in 2000 (even though they traded him to the Bulls on draft night)
I thought he was drafted by the Cavs.
At least someone is talking to LeBron… /s
LOL… FWIW WIndy went on record saying that LBJ is definitely talking to people… just all sub-rosa.
How in the world would this be a good add for us? What the actual heck
I’m still trying to process that Mozgov contract from last year.
Hahaha. Looking back we really overpaid for 6 months of good Mozgov. But it was obvious he sucked at the end and they still signed him to that contract. I’m so old I remember the freakout when we signed TT instead of Mozgov to a long term deal.
Get me Luc. And Crawford. and call it a day until wade signs in February.
Jamal Crawford could help the bench.
A big ole bag of NOPE! No thanks.
Actually if they signed a couple of defense first players like Tony Allen, and Thabo, I’d be okay with the addition of Jamal. Jamal is probably a worse defender than Kyrie.
He is terrible now. Whatever he gets you in offense, inefficient volume points, he gives away twofold on d. I a, tired of the NBA equivalent of geriatrics.
He is one of the worst defenders in the league. Him and Kyrie would be a great together in the regular season.
Monta Ellis was released. We should sign him.
No thanks!
Said by no sober fan anywhere.
YOU KNOW I CAN STILL ” SHOOT THE ROCK ” …….THINKING ABOUT ” DUSTING OFF MY LARRY BIRD LOW CUTS ” AND GIVE DAN A CALL
If you’re over 40, you might make the team. But he’ll low ball you if you try to run his front office.
If you are going with low cuts, get the “inside the shoe” ankle braces.
https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/883039940317237249
I think the Wolves would be a good fit for Crawford.
HAVE ALWAYS SAID MAKE JFJ A COACH OR FIND HIM AN OFFICE POSITION …..HE IS A GREAT PERSON TO HAVE IN YOUR ORGANIZATION !!!
The NBA has a real problem. They either need to ditch the soft cap for a hard cap, or ditch the maximum salary, or both.
Yes. The CBA is needlessly complicated and the maximum salary rule really hurts.
JFJ not coming back. Maybe he’ll sign for the min with the Dubs…
Damn. Sucks.
Why? Waste of a roster spot.
True. I just always enjoyed that his Finals streak was the same as James. Now James will be in 8 straight and Jones only has 7.
Where do you see this? And I’m pretty sure at the beginning of last season he said he thought this would be it for him. So my guess is retirement and future FO guy.
Dan Feldman and other twitter. Just ‘sources close’ to Jones so far, but I expect him to confirm soon…
https://twitter.com/DanFeldmanNBA/status/882975365488148480
FWIW… I think that’s a picture of Dahntay Jones…
My number one preference would be Mbah a Moute at this point. But we have no head of state right now so who knows if anyone other than DG friends are being considered.
Why do you think this? Seriously. Go read about Koby Altman. Dude has been the GM since Griffin got let go, is a really smart Ivy League dude who loves analytics and they kept the salary cap guys that Griffin loved.
12. The Cavs have Brock Aller and Tony Leotti in the salary cap department, where they have been doing good and creative work for several years. Griffin has spoken highly of the cap guys, Gansey and Altman.
He went to Middlebury and UMass Amhearst.
Prior to joining the Cavaliers, Altman served as an assistant coach at Columbia University for two seasons, where he also led Columbia’s developmental basketball program. In addition to his duties at Columbia, Altman has extensive experience with the USA Basketball program.
Phfewwwwweuuuuuahhh….. I was worried he wasn’t an Ivy Leaguer.
I mean, just because he ran their program doesn’t mean he’s some sort of genius… It’s not like he’s got a degree from Columbia…
I like a lot of guys on this list. I pass on Tony Allen. It just seems like his career is at a tipping point and he’s a walking ticking time bomb. I’d rather go after someone else on that list even if it means sacrificing a bit of the Grindfather’s defensive chops. Having so many guys in and out of the lineup last year obviously added to the screwiness of the regular season. Best to be avoided as much as possible going into next season…
NBA IS GETTING INTO THE ” DANGER ZONE ” OF NOT BEING COMPETITIVE / ESPECIALLY BORING / MEANINGLESS REGULAR SEASON GAMES —AGREED DUBS RECENT SIGNINGS ARE SCARY….HOPEFULLY BACKFIRES ……LIKE MCDANIELS AND EVANS …..THINK GAY IS OUT OF THE PICTURE AND THE HAYWARD SIGNING BUT LOSING 3-4 OF THEIR VITAL ROLE PLAYERS WILL MAKE IT A WASH OR POSSIBLY HURT THEM MORE THAN THEY REALIZE —VERY GOOD READ NATE !!!
https://twitter.com/ivancanfield/status/882978892537004032
Nice recap of all the free agency goings on Nate! I’m especially enjoying the Celtics scrambling around trying to scrape up enough to pay Hayward the max deal they sold him on… all while gutting their bench of guys I despised who should now take out their anger on the C’s with regularity when they return to town on opposing teams. Boston without Olynyk, Jerebko, Crowder and possibly even Smart and Rozier makes them so much more tolerable… and they still have nobody to rebound the ball LOL…
Haha. Yep. Remember when people wanted the Cavs to trade Love for this Boston trash?
Good article. I don’t know if Korver is overpaid. JJ Redick (who is better than Korver, but yeesh) just got 1/$23M. Maybe you could get Korver 3/19 instead of 21? Maybe. In a world where freaking Delly and Tony Snell are getting $10M, $7M for Korver seems totally fine. Also, Jefferson said he’s coming back so that’s a big win. I think the Cavs thought Deron wanted more money than the vet minimum and it was rumored that Griffin wanted Calderon last year so maybe they think he’s got one more good year left? I don’t know, that was a… Read more »
We have to figure out a way to get younger and more athletic off the bench. I like the Korver re-signing, but not a huge fan of the Calderon deal. However, I think Nate mentioned in another comment thread that we have plenty of roster spots to play with.
With that said, I am not happy to hear that Gilbert lowballed Billups. That just isn’t a good look for the organization, especially after going cheap on Griffin.
This is how the Cavs FO has operated for 17 years though. They lose their GM, try to get a big name (Calipari, Jackson, Izzo in the the past), those guys say know and they promote from within. It worked OK for Ferry, did not work for Grant, and OK for Griffin. Altman is young, Ivy League, analytics guy, maybe he’s the next Morey.
I’m not saying it can’t work, but I can’t imagine LeBron is very happy that we don’t have a GM in place to try to sell some guys on joining for cheap to chase a ring. LeBron isn’t actively recruiting (according to the internet), and instead of paying the only GM to ever deliver us a title what he is worth, we push him out and lowball a guy that is highly respected around the league.
Just not a great start to an offseason after losing 4-1 in the Finals. The Warriors have improved and we haven’t.
The Cavs are following the same script that Griffin followed the last two years. Sign your own guys (TT, JR, this year Korver), look for vet minimums, and then wait for buyouts. The Warriors got guys that wanted to go to the warriors, nothing we could do about that.
Have faith. Cavs weren’t too far off last year and their are a lot of guys still out there as Nate highlighted above.
That is idiotic and incompetent management. The best small market organizations such as the Spurs foster an environment of stability at the top. When they find talented people in their coaching/front office, they keep them long term. Long term, an organization will only be as good as the people in its front office and coaching. Owners that interfere with bball decisions are incompetent owners. See Kay Felder. If Gilbert is doing what multiple articles are saying he is doing behind the scenes, he is incompetent. He is potentially shortening window for this team and sacrificing the future at the same… Read more »
Can’t believe the warriors got Casspi and Young. Ridiculous. Seems a lot of players think they are SO favored to win that even younger guys are taking cheap contracts to play win what they probably see as a guaranteed ring.
They could be right, but it seems like there is way more ring chasing and lack of competitive spirit these days compared to the 80s. I am not excluding the Cavs from this. Just an observation based off player movement/contracts in the last 7-8 years.
I think Hayward to Boston was at least 90% the President Stevens connection. No reason to dig much deeper than that.
Hayward showed he is dumb. The franchise was being run for his benefit and they won the same number of games as the Celtics in a harder conference and also beat the Clippers in the first round which Boston would not have done. Jazz have good young players too as well as smart vets.
Tony Allen would be a strong get. I like McDaniels or Ellington, too.