Five on Five: 2018 Playoff Edition
2018-04-141. Now that we’ve put a bizarre regular season behind us, what was your favorite moment? Least favorite?
Cory Hughey: My favorite moments of the season were the personal stories of Kevin Love and Nick Gilbert. Love was finally fully embraced after his essay on his experience of having a panic attack and learning to deal with his anxiety. We can be a very divided fanbase, but I can’t imagine that anyone wasn’t rooting for Nick Gilbert during his recovery from his brain surgery. Dan Gilbert take WAY more heat than he should from us, but the first line in his Twitter bio isn’t about Quicken Loans, or being “the Fathead dude,” it simply says “family man.”
The Isaiah experience was the pits. I feel for the guy for playing hurt for the Celtics after shockingly losing his little sister, but he had to go.
Justin May: Easily my favorite moment, or moments really, was when we got the news about the trades at the deadline. The excitement was palpable. Least favorite moment? Any time Tristan Thompson steps on the court. He hasn’t looked good from day one.
Nate Smith: J.R. Smith threw soup at Damon Jones. Seriously J.R. Smith. Threw. Soup. At Damon. Jones. Poor Damon was probably sitting there running his yap, kicking his leg up to keep J.R. from stealing his hoagie, and eventually, J.R.’d had enough and winged a bowl of chicken tortilla at poor Damon. Was soup dripping from his grill? Was he scalded? Did J.R. ruin a perfectly good hoodie? Inquiring minds want to know. Least favorite? Trading Richard Jefferson to keep Derrick freaking Rose.
Evil Genius: Outside of the highlight reel of poster dunks LeBron James executed in his 15th season… my favorite moment was probably deadline day when Koby Altman started to undo the the damage that was done in the summer. It turned a fairly depressing march towards the abyss and the inevitability of LeBron leaving this disaster in his rear view into at least a positive upward direction. I liked feeling that I was wrong about the rookie GM of this team in the best possible way. I also liked that it seemed to truly energize LeBron again. The outcome (thus far) hasn’t been without it’s bumps in the road, but if this team can make it back to the Finals, it’s a hell of an accomplishment by all involved. Least favorite moment is a five way tie between: every moment the Cavs wear those awful grey uniforms; every time Jeff Green shoots a three; every time Isaiah Thomas opened his mouth; every moment Tristan Thompson is on the floor; and every time Ty Lue has to “watch the tape” to see what happened.
Tom Pestak: My favorite moment was during the honeymoon period of the new trade, specifically when Larry Nance Jr. set a few screens and rolled hard to the glass, demanding at least a glance from a help-side big man which left Jordan Clarkson wide open for a corner 3 off a LeBron pass. Some injuries set in which shortened the honeymoon period, but the Cavs got into a groove once Kevin Love came back. Zach Lowe chronicled the state of the Cavs nicely.
The Cavs with Love at center are unstoppable. The only way to beat them is to outscore them. Only one team — last season’s Warriors — has managed that in the playoffs.
Watching that totally unstoppable offense with the best offensive version of LeBron James anyone has ever seen was a joy. Watching the Cavs get embarrassed on a nightly basis only to continue doing the same things (namely, playing Isaiah Thomas) was not a joy. Watching a lifeless LeBron staring into the abyss was supremely unpleasant. I also got irritated with the media (and eventually Cavs fans) piling on the organization when thing started going south. The Cavs are not a bad organization. They take gigantic swings and sometimes they twist themselves into the ground when they miss. They do this because when LeBron is wearing the Wine and Gold, it’s always championship or bust time and he doesn’t do anything to help alleviate that pressure.
2. On a scale of one to 2017 Golden State, how concerned are you about the Pacers (and why)?
Cory: In the season previews, I thought the Pacers would surprise the league and just miss the playoffs. They drastically exceeded that. Oladipo finally played up to his pre-draft hype, and maybe it was the dysfunction of Orlando, and being a spectator during the Westbrook stat hog campaign that held him back. Myles Turner is going to be an All-Star some day, and they WON the Paul George deal. I just don’t think this is the year they can really challenge LeBron and company. I’d give them a threat level of 2.
Nate: I’m at a four. I put this series right below the 2015 Bulls series. The Pacers have a lot of Cavs killers including the Ear Whisperer, but ultimately, the Cavs offense should prove too much for them to handle.
Tom: 2015 Bulls concerned. The Cavs could find themselves down 3-1 if they’re careless and are forced to play at a slow pace because they can’t actually ever stop the Pacers. I just don’t want the Pacers believing they can win. The Cavs have done well to break the spirit of a lot of Eastern Conference teams early on. You don’t want to mess around with Indiana and Victor YOLOdipo.
Justin: I would rate them at about 2015 Bulls. Yes, they took two games from the Cavs, but it never should have been that close. The team was still jelling and LeBron had to get heroic at one point. Hopefully this time around they have less trouble.
E.G: Logic (and the rusty sieve that is the Cavs defense) tells me I should be at least a little concerned about the Pacers… like Bulls in the second round of 2015 concerned. However, the last few times these two teams squared off, the Cavs were starting or giving heavy minutes to guys like Isaiah Thomas, Tristan Thompson, Jae Crowder and Derrick Rose. None of those guys will be around for the playoffs (okay TT might see some garbage time), so that in itself is a victory. Oladipo is legit scary, but even though the games might be close, I’m not overly concerned about the Cavs’ chances of advancing.
3. Who are the biggest x-factors for both teams?
E.G.: I’ll go with the shooters here… it’s going to come down to how well and frequently either Bojan Bogdanovic or Kevin Love can hit their three balls. Each has the capacity to change the game on their team’s side of things if they get hot at the right times. Both are shooting above 40% from downtown for the season (with Kev slightly better at 41.5 vs. 40.2 for Bojan), and will be key if Bron and Dipo cancel each other out scoring wise.
Tom: If X-Factor still means “Lamar Odom-type” – a non star that can become a star for a four minute stretch and just ruin you, I’ll go with Darren Collison, the NBA’s leader in 3-point Field Goal Percentage. The Cavs have had success over the years slowing down a single guard: Rose, Lowry, IT, Teague, even Curry. They will probably come up with some schemes to try to keep Yolo Vic from going nova. They just don’t have enough perimeter defense in the backcourt to also keep Collison from getting a ton of good looks. For the Cavs, I think the X-Factor will be George Hill. He’s seen plenty of grueling playoff series and I think we’re good for at least one “George Hill Game”.
Nate: Lance Stevenson would be the logical answer for Indy, but I’m going with Bojan Bogdonovic. I just got a feeling he’s going to be the scrub fuego who goes off for a couple games. For the Cavs, I’m guessing J.R. Here’s the thing. Swish isn’t what you’d call forensic basketball analyst, but the dude does have a nose for bullshit. He knew it was bullshit when he was playing for Phil Jackson in New York, and Swish acted like a jackass. J.R. absolutely knows that the NBA regular season has become complete bullshit. Now that he got PAID$$$, why should he remotely try to extend himself in 82 mostly meaningless games? But he’s rounding into playoff form. Ever since he’s gone to the bench, he’s been a factor, and while his defense hasn’t been great, it has been ok in stretches. He’s posting a zero plus/minus, but he’s also shooting the lights out at 47% from downtown. With Jose, Kyle, J.R., and Clarkson all rotating through the second unit with LeBron and Kevin, they’re going to be murderous from behind the line. I’m betting J.R. wins a game by himself.
Cory: It’s definitely Lance Stephenson for the Pacers. His history with LeBron goes back years, and if he’s zoned in, he’s a terror on both ends of the court. Hopefully Moondog brings some of his friends to the locker room, and J.R. matches Lance’s output.
4. What improvement are you most hoping to see from the Cavaliers now that the playoffs are here?
Cory: Defense! The March 21st matchup with the Raptors was a turning point for me. The undermanned Cavs gave up 79 points to the Raptors in the first half, then held them to 50 in the second half. They can do it. Now just do it.
Tom: Well, defense of course. I hope to see the Cavs never surprised by what the Pacers try to run. The Cavs advance to the Finals every year because they have LeBron James and other talented players and they out-execute basic sets much better than their opponents. They generate “easy” baskets easier than their opponents. The danger is when their defense is so inept and the other team is leaning forward and running downhill and the balance tilts the other way. They don’t need to be a better defensive team than anyone else, they just need to force the other team into some challenging situations here and there. In the regular season they waste so much time experimenting with lineups or playing Isaiah Thomas or being in chill mode that they never really lock in against a specific team – they’re always more concerned with big picture stuff. Playoffs is all about little picture stuff. Every game matters.
Nate: I’d go for logical rotations, and data driven lineups, but I’ll settle for actually giving a crap. I think about 35% of regular season analytics apply to this team (which makes the first part of my insistence fairly ironic). And that’s why this team team is so maddening. Ty Lue has to coach by gut because the regular season data means so little. And generally don’t trust his gut. But everyone playing hard for four quarters, running actual set plays that require some screening, making quick decisions when things aren’t working, etc. will be what most helps this team (fingers crossed).
Justin: I’m hoping to see mediocre defense. All season long they’ve basically been letting teams walk all over them defensively. It would go a long way if they could establish a sensible scheme. Long shot, I know.
5. What other first round matchup most intrigues you?
Cory: It’s gotta be Rockets/Timberwolves. It’s got an Ocean’s 8 star-studded cast with Harden, Paul, Towns, and Butler, and a pair of the biggest name directors in basketball in D’Antoni, and Thibodeau. I’m really excited for the contrasting styles. It’ll be like when I had my crumby studio apartment with free electricity in college and I would blast the air-conditioner and heater at the same time to see which would win. Ultimately the air-conditioner gave up.
Justin: Easily the most exciting first round matchup is going to be the Thunder vs the Jazz. The Jazz are clicking at the right time so it ought to be interesting
Tom: The only thing that would surprise me is the Cavs actually losing the series. I could see it going 4, 5, or 6 with almost equal likelihood. Seven would surprise me a little bit. Losing would actually shock me. It wouldn’t have last season. And I know The Pacers might be better this year, I just think the Cavs might go nuts.
Justin: Cavs take the Pacers in five. ‘Bron won’t want to lose more than one game to them.
E.G.: I really want to say four closely contested ones… but since the Cavs historically have a hard time at the Bankers Life Fieldhouse… I’ll be safe and concede five.
Nate: Five. Average score: 120-110.
Cory: No answer…
I’d be disgusted as a fan playing two of the biggest floppers in the league in Belinelli and Ilyasova…
Really glad my team is not paying Whiteside a brinks truck…
Embiid would have four fouls by now trying to guard Olynyk…
I love the Sixers bottle rocket/bomb sound effect when they “launch” a 3…
Gift call for Fultz…refs you suck…
Wow Miami playing stupid for the last 5 seconds
https://twitter.com/DerekBodnerNBA/status/985312713369948165?s=20
Lue can flash him his ring.
Notorious flopper Ilyasova…
Not a good first quarter for the Sixers.
It seems like teams could just study how the Spurs defended LBJ and the Cavs in the 2007 finals to figure out how to stop Simmons and the Sixers…I guess the big difference is the Sixers 3pt shooting is much better than that Cavs team…
When will Hubie read the Constitution, during this broadcast?
The Wade pump fake move that seemed to lose steam with the Cavs!
Vintage Wade!
AI the notorious chucker!
Olynyk will dazzle the Sixers with his athletic ballet…
I’m sure Billy Simmons has a statue of him, ripping out Love’s shoulder socket, in his front lawn.
Billy Simmons is terrified his Celtics may have to face Olynyk…
That would be epic!
Wizards will win if Wall doesn’t play
I doubt it. I don’t think Wall’s right, but they’re not good enough either way.
LeBron throwing Sprite Strikes!
Philly is so hyped. Energy is crazy
If LeBron bolts, I hope he chooses the Sixers over the dumb Rockets.
Love Simmons game.
Haven’t seen much of him this year besides for the highlights, but wow, Philly’s future is bright.
Refs call an obvious foul on Sixers, moron Sixers fans chant ‘refs you suck’. Don’t be tools, Sixers fans.
Ugh if only we had a coach that could maximize talent
Lue typically shines in the playoffs.
Not sure if it’s better or worse for a young team to have their first playoff game at home.
I hate the Rockets and hope they lose!
“Stream of Conciousness” Hubie incoming…YES!!!
I love how he used to prounounce ilgauskas
I’m rooting for Philly despite their stupid billboards.
I’m not…their fans are seriously on their high horse…
Yeah it’s marginal. I like Simmons, but their fans and Miami fans are equally crappy.
Philly is at least a sports town
THE TORONTO RAPTORS HAVE WON the first game of the first series for the first time. STATUES!
That should do it. Wall kinda ruined the comeback attempt by needing to be the one to shoot.
Should have given more shots to Beal and Porter. Typical Scott Brooks offense in an end of the game situation though.
Yeah…to be fair he can’t actually force John wall to pass it
Looking forward to Miami vs Philly. Wonder
If Saint Weirdo will play?
John Wall has missed so many layups late
I don’t think he’s right Health-wise.
Wow…Raptors trying hard to give this one back
Wall has just missed too many shots he has to convert…most of them were not easy, but at the rim…he thinks he’s a superstar, he has to make those shots…
5-19 not going to get it done
Prediction: Toronto after one of these games “We Want Cleveland”
Bullets after one of these losses will be saying the same thing, probably…
They will be saying that the Cavs didn’t want the #1 seed, so they could avoid the Bullets.
Not a fan of dirty Serge Ibaka.
That should be a non-call on Wall.
Lol Scotch, right on cue. Lowry with an uncalled push off on that last two
He is so annoying. He has Chris Paul’s demeanor about half his ability
Looks like the Dinosaurs got this.
Gonna be tough since Derozan should be coming back in now rested…
We will see…the Raptors are really really good at losing playoff games
Bullets are very skilled at that, too…
I think they’re better than years past, but they’re not overwhelming.
Bring back Agent Zero!
That’s two careless/ bonehead inbound turnovers for the Bullets…if they lose, they can look at those plays…and freaking Miles is torching them, that doesn’t help, either…
Why is Drake allowed to walk the sideline like a coach?
I’ve seen fans do the same, like the purple shirt guy a couple years back, who talked trash to Wade when Miami played the Bobcats.
They the north, I guess…I’ve never understood the weird obsession with him up there…
Yeah me either.
3J Miles!!!!
I love this. I hope this series goes 7
Okay, was catching up on the new season of Bosch, but I’m now tuned into this Wiz-Rap game. I think the Dubs may sweep the Spurs now.
Scott with a bone-headed play there
I thought it was appropriate. Lowry is a fake tough guy who gets away with a lot of shoving and elbows in guys backs. He needs to get hit back sometimes
Ibaka just took a ball to the family jewels…
The slow motion replay was so painful to watch
Not a Wall fan, but he’s looked really good this game…have to say, VanVleet sitting this game hurts the Raps a lot. Their bench mob doesn’t have as much punch without him.
He could end up with 20+ assists. Crazy
Casey’s love of having Jonas V in to protect the rim absolutely ruins the Raptors potential. JV doesn’t really do as good a job at the rim as it looks like he does, and he cannot move well enough to go against the quicker big men who can shoot. If they were ever to grow as a team, his minutes have to be super limited. He is getting exposed by Gortat’s 10 foot range…imagine them playing a team with a big man who can knock down 15 footers??
They should probably tell Kyle Lowry it’s still the regular season. He is so so bad in the playoffs
Horrible call against gortat there
These Toronto fans don’t seem to have any idea what the actual rules are…
This is hilarious.
The pucker factor afflicts Lowry for about two games every series.
Lowry and DeRozan haven’t even shown up, per usual for them in the playoffs…cavs are going to destroy them
Yeesh…if they even get by Washington
Raptors young guys are going to take a couple games to get comfortable. Wouldn’t be surprising to see them drop this game
Good game in Toronto…lot of turnovers, but guys are balling…end of first, Raps up 5…
I never feel good about the cavs chances, but cavs in 6 sounds right.
The Pacers were the last team that took a lebron led team to 6 games in round 1 in 2014. Why is that place so weird for cleveland?!
But Cavs also swept them last year…
First of all, I was wrong. It was the conf finals. 2ndly, I think we sweep them this year as well. But we barely won those games last year…indy is just a weird vortex of suck for the cavs
Tony Brothers in the house in Toronto…you know you are going to see superstar reffing…
Just about tipoff for the regularly scheduled Raps game one loss…
Warriors got the easiest draw they possibly could for the western conference playoffs.
Yeah…its pretty annoying
Looked at 5 mocks, they all had us with a different player: Bamba, Bridges, Porter (that seems unlikely), Young, Carter.
I’d be okay with any of those but Young, although I’m not super high on Porter…
Spurs have not won a road game since 2/25.
Ain’t gonna happen in this series.
Favorite part of the season: On court: Bron’s 57 vs the Wiz & the Raptor comeback win after giving up 79 in the first half. Off court: Kev’s piece on panic. Least: On: Lackluster effort for 82 games, for the most part. LeBron is mostly a huge blessing, but there are negatives. His tude about the 82 not meaning anything filters down. Off: listening to IT run his yap. Though I feel bad for the guy after what his desire & Boston’s doctors did to him. And he wasn’t wrong on his takes, either. Especially on the coaching. It was… Read more »
Not to beat a dead horse, but least favorite part of the season was watching IT ‘play’, and having to listen to him. Favorite part for sure were the trades, especially IT to the Lakers. I really enjoyed that trade.
Most intriguing series to me will be the Heat-Sixers and Thunder-Jazz. Celtics-Bucks *could* be interesting, but I mostly expect the Celtics and President Stevens to roll a one dimensional Bucks team and a mediocre coaching staff. I wouldn’t even be surprised if it’s a sweep.
Raps in 6
Bucks in 6
Heat in 6
Cavs in 5
Rockets in 6
Dubs in 5
Portland in 7
OKC in 7
Go Spurs, Wiz, 76ers, and Portland.
Spurs are going to slow this series down so much…they will win at least 1 game like 94-87
In terms of outcome in doubt, I think Celts/Bucks, OKC/Jazz, and Blazers/Pels for me are the most iffy. Could see those going either way easily. Ditto Spurs if Kawhi plays.
I wouldn’t be shocked if the Wiz or Pacers won.
I wish Kawhi would show up for this Spurs/Dubs series. I think ITs situation is a factor for him. Proving Danny Ainge ruins everything.
Good, thoughtful stuff. Bravo guys.
One nit, the RJ trade was to make room for Wade, not Rose. Rose signed early (7/25). Kyrie deal 8/30. We still had room for everyone. RJ/Felder dealt 10/14.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2018_transactions.html
IMO it was to because Rose was such a stupid signing to begin with lol.
Nice read, gentlemen.
My official first round picks:
Raptors in 7
Bucks in 6
Sixers in 7
Cavs in 5
Rockets in 5
Warriors in 5
Pels in 6
Jazz in 6