Recap: Indiana 98, Cleveland 80 (or, Wha’ Happened!?)
2018-04-15Well, I don’t think many of us were expecting that. Gone were the Cavs’ gaudy regular season stat lines with scoring up and over 110, and instead lay an 80-point stink bomb that started smelling from the minute that the Cavs took off their warmups. The Cavs were unprepared, didn’t respect their opponent, and failed to compete throughout the afternoon. In a game that echoed many of their nights of regular-season malaise, the Cavs looked… disengaged and poorly coached.
First Quarter:
Myles Turner took an open elbow jumper right out of the scouting report to break the seal for Indy, and Rodney Hood ran a c-cut off a K-Love baseline screen, and scored a point blanker. Love missed a three, a reload, and a fadeaway before a James steal led to a George Hill dunk to tie it at four. The Cavs wouldn’t score a point again for another five and a half minutes, and Kevin Love would only get five more field goal attempts for the rest of the game. Meanwhile, the Pacers ripped off a 26-6 run fueled by the Cavs’ terrible offense, and confused defense.
The Cavs offense mostly consisted of standing around, being unable to execute a post entry pass, and trying to throw skip passes that were intercepted by the Pacers, or forcing home-run touchdown passes that were intercepted by the Pacers. The Cavs just weren’t valuing the ball. Here’s a stretch when it was 8-4 Pacers: Shotclock violation, Korver 3-point miss, LeBron failed three-quarter court pass to Jeff Green, Love failed full court pass to LeBron, Hill alley-oop to LeBron deflected by Oladipo, Korver failed skip pass intercepted by Bogdonavic for an and-1 layup (on which Bojan blatently traveled), Hill airball floater (leading to another Bojan plus-one), before Larry Nance finally scored a bucket. You simply can’t go seven straight possessions in the NBA playoffs, and only hit the rim one time.
Meanwhile, Oladipo and Bojan got it going. Dipo would back up, run at his defender, and then pull up for three in his grill. Here’s one in the King’s mug.
The Cavs were fueling the Pacers’ offense, and it was maddening. George Hill was garbage and was overpassing. The Cavs couldn’t get Kevin Love the ball, and the Cavs were being absolutely lazy on offense. The situation only improved slightly when Larry Nance came in and started setting screens and rolling. He got four quick points, but his running mate, Jose Calderon got burned in an isolation by Oladipo, and Ty didn’t trust him much after that. Meanwhile, Jeff Green was turding it up on offense and defense, turning it over by dribbling against guards and just looking invisible on D.
The quarter closed when Victor drained another three. Lance’s Dances came in, strutted his way to five points off Dipo dimes. Only two Clarkson freebies, and a layup by Nance gave the Cavs any hope as they were annihilated in the first: 33-14.
Second Quarter:
The Cavs looked poised to go on a run as a George Hill triple and two BBQ Chicken spin moves by James ripped off seven straight points. Unfortunately, the most bizarre stretch of the game ensued after James went to the bench, and the Cavs were running with Hill, Clarkson, Smith, Love, and Nance, a lineup I’ve rarely seen together. It looked like it might have a shot, but after two misses and a turnover, Trevor Booker cross-checked George Hill at mid-court with a debilitating offensive foul that left George holding his back as he returned to the bench. Hood came in for Hill, and Somehow the Cavs were running a lineup with J.R. freaking Smith at the point.
I guess Ty Lue didn’t want to put in Jose Calderon and have him stuck on Corey Joseph, but after a J.R. finger roll, the Pacers ripped off six straight in just over a minute (including off a Smith turnover) before Lue called a timeout to get James back in the game (for J.R.) with the Cavs down 17. Ye gods.
With James at the one, and Clarkson at the two, the Cavs ran some interesting offense. James started attacking the rack (12 in the quarter), and this double screen with Clarkson and Hood for the King set up a great open layup for Jordan who put it home in the middle of a 9-2 outburst.
But when the Cavs got stops they couldn’t score, and when they scored, they couldn’t get stops. Oladipo kept pouring them in with buckets and dimes to keep the Pacers rolling. He has a swagger now and a confidence that makes him a very dangerous player. Cedi Osman reported to the scorers table, and after Vic walked into another three, Kev finally got on the board with a three of his own. James got to the line and split the pair before Myles Turner closed the quarter strong for the Pacers to leave it 55-38 at the buzzer, and Cedi never had a chance to check in.
We were all dumbfounded at halftime. No one expected this kind of start.
Third Quarter
The third started with a vomit-inducing left-wing isolation of Jeff Green on Myles Turner, which resulted in a laughable miss that left Jeff sprawled on the baseline. No one bothered to pick up his man as Turner stood alone next to the basket and calmly laid in Darren Collison dime. George Hill dribbled off his foot for another Oladipo layup, and a Thad Young block of James led to him hook one in on a ridiculously easy post up over Rodney Hood. Ty Lue took a whatever-emotion-Ty-possesses-that-passes-for-rage timeout with the Pacers up 23 and the Q booing.
Kevin Love put in a pick-and-pop triple from James, and despite some horrible body language and passivity by LeBron, the Cavs started clawing back. J.R. started heating up and the Cavs started clamping down on D. Larry Nance’s energy was infectious, and the wine and gold kept forcing turnovers, and turning those turnovers into points. LeBron finally bought in (thank you, Larry) and started spin-moving his way to the basket. Larry Nance dove on the floor for a loose ball, and then a Jordan Clarkson steal led to a Larry Nance, hoop and the harm. This was punctuated by the Banana Republican draining a three plus a foul for three more.
Unfortunately, the Cavs had been going under screen all night on the Darren Collison, the league leader in three point shooting, and getting away with it. But when Myles Turner gave him a simple left wing hand off, they got burned, as D.C. rose up and pushed the lead back to ten.
The game got nasty, then, when LeBron drove, got pushed, and then clocked on the head by Lance Stephenson. Somehow it wasn’t ruled a flagrant, but two shots and a technical. LBJ made two of three and the quarter ended with the Cavs in the game at 73-65. What’s a flagrant foul? I don’t know. You be the judge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtw955PWt0Y
Fourth Quarter
While the run was magic, it had come against the Pacers’ bench, and when Ty Lue trotted out most of the same lineup that had gotten them back in the game, I said, “Crap. Ty’s gonna run these guys into the ground.” My fears were confirmed when a classic crappy LeBron closeout led to an easy drive by Stephenson followed by a Clarkson miss. Smith and James scored to cut it to seven before a Nate McMillan time out.
I cringed when a rested Oladipo took the floor, and the Cavs ran out the same lineup. A 12-2 Pacers run ensued against the gassed Cavs. Trevor booker scored on a switch against ragdoll physics engine Jordan Clarkson. Oladipo used a left wing pin down to lose Smith and drain a trey. Sabonis put one back over the ragdoll. Victor walked into a J, and the Pacers abused the trap and found Bogdanovic in the corner (below) to put them up 17 with 7:28 left
Somewhere in this stretch J.R. hit a two. Somewhere in this stretch, the Cavs started trapping way too much. Somewhere in this stretch, Ty Lue waited two possessions too long to call a time out. Somewhere in this stretch Jeff Green bricked a pair of shots, including a wide open corner three. Somewhere in this stretch, we all died a little inside.
The Pacers were too good to lose the lead at this point of the game. Despite a pair of shots by Rodney Hood and a couple freebies by James that cut the deficit to 12, the Pacers were content to milk the clock and rely on the Cavs’ exhaustion for buckets. The Cavs put a lid on their own basket, and after a slick reverse and yet another trey by Vic the lead was 17, and Ty sent his mainliners to the bench with two minutes left. Cedi Osman and Tristan got two minutes of garbage time, and we all had more questions than answers.
Wha’ Happened!?
What the hell was going on with the rotations this game? After saying he was going to run a 10-man rotation, Lue essentially ran with 8.5 guys, with Calderon only getting nine and a half minutes. Cedi got nothing but garbage time. What the hell was that stretch where the Cavs ran with J.R. at the point?
Speaking of garbage, Jeff Green was flaming stinking rotten garbage. In 26 minutes, he scored zero points and grabbed four rebounds. He was 0-7 from the floor and 0-3 from the three, with most of those threes coming from the Pacers daring him to make them. Defensively, he was matched up on Thaddeus Young most of the night. He finished a team low -16.
It baffles the hell out of me that the Cavs started Jeff Green for his defensive versatility on guards and then had him on…Thad Young? As if Larry Nance Jr couldn't just guard Young?
— Mike Zavagno (@MZavagno11) April 15, 2018
Why the hell couldn’t the Cavs hit the broad side of a barn? They were 8-34 from three, and 12-20 at the line. The Cavs were 50% from inside the arc. Why didn’t they go to the basket more? Why the hell can’t they post up Kevin Love any more? Why weren’t they taking more advantage of Indy’s kamikaze closeouts? A couple pump and jumps would’ve served them well.
How did Kevin have three shots in the first two minutes, and five the rest of the game despite grabbing three offensive rebounds and 17 overall? (Reward the big man!) Kev just had two shots from inside the arc. He still finished with nine, but this team has turned one of the league’s best post players into a jump shooter. And when they do post him up, they can’t get him the damn ball.
How in a game that the Cavs desperately needed offense, did they not find minutes for Kyle Korver? Yes, Korver was 0-3 and -10 in 3:38, but the team was getting blitzed in the first. Ty Lue said at the end of the game that it wasn’t a minutes restriction or because of Kyle’s foot. Did he just not feel like there was anyone on the court Kyle could guard? I’d’ve put him on Bojan and lived with it.
Why was LeBron James so passive in the first quarter? He took three shots and finished with two points. Maybe he knew he’d be playing 44 minutes. You can’t fault the rest of his game: 24 points, 10 boards, 12 assists with only three turnovers, and he became the second ranked all time player in playoff field goals made. Yet his body language in the third was demoralizing at times. Still, the team responded in that stretch and got him re-engaged. I just wish I knew where his three ball (0-4) went. Also, does he know how bad of a perimeter defender he’s become? He seems he routinely makes 2-3 awful closeouts per game that lead to buckets. Can anyone stop his spin move? I don’t think so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv2UvwQH5sA
Why is George Hill so damned passive at times? His passivity was a part of the Cavs problems in the first quarter, as he refused to attack the basket and just seems to have little confidence in his game. He finished with just seven and an assist.
Why the hell isn’t Larry Nance starting? Jeff Green is a freaking bench player and to be frank, I’d rather have Larry taking corner threes than Jeff. Larry defense is light years better (even though he is over-aggressive at times), and his chemistry on screens and rolls and high-lows with Love should be fantastic. And it’s not like this Indy lineup is one he can’t play against. Larry held his own in isolations against Oladipo and added two steals and a block to go along with 10 points and five rebounds.
Is Jose just too unathletic to play in this series? He went 0-3 with just one dime in his 9.5 minutes. Yet the Cavs were just -1 in that time. He still should’ve been playing when Hill went out.
Was Jordan Clarkson’s play an illusion? Despite going 0-3 from downtown, he played in control and didn’t take bad shots. Though he only scored six, he was just -1 in his time on the floor. I thought he played some decent defense, but apparently the numbers tell a different story.
Clarkson and Smith had a 114 dRTG together this season
They had a 120.2 dRTG in the 15 minutes they shared the floor in Game 1
The whole "Play Clarkson with an Adult" thing went away very quickly— Mike Zavagno (@MZavagno11) April 15, 2018
Still, the Cavs were at least mostly holding their own with him on the floor.
Should J.R. Smith be starting? He was the lone guy who was getting it done from outside. J.R. dropped 15 in 29 minutes and went 3-6 from downtown. Yeah, he got burned a lot on D, but Rodney Hood and George Hill seem terrified at times. And at least he competed at times on D.
Is Rodney Hood the same player who was just plain bad in Utah? Last year he was -.77 in RPM, and this year he was a -3.09 and that was almost all because of DRPM. I feel like I rarely see him make a play on that end of the court. He just seems kind of tall, skinny, and… there. Hood put up nine and two boards, but his passivity led to a terrible turnover at the end when he tried a wraparound pass to Nance instead of just laying it in. Rodney needs to play with an edge. He seems terrified most of the time.
What does Cedi have to do to get minutes? How can you not throw him out there for 15 minutes when Jeff Green is getting lost? How does Jeff Green get an endless amount of slack, and Cedi gets buried after missing some crunch time shots?
Does Ty Lue pay attention to what lineups are playing well, or does he just throw guys out there based on what’s going on in his head? Did the Cavs practice any plays? Cause it sure seems like they didn’t. Did Ty get any sleep last night? What is this new “totally different” defense we were supposed to see in the playoffs? To be honest, the defense wasn’t why the Cavs lost this one (though they did miss key stops), but doesn’t he realize that the fact that some of these lineups have barely played together is part of why the Cavs put up 16 turnovers? Why did the team look so unprepared? Do the Cavs just stink in afternoon games? Has a coach ever resigned after the first game of the playoffs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Zu2_ze6_g
Do the Cavs have an answer for Oladipo? He finished with 32 with six three pointers and 11-19 shooting. He added four steals, four dimes, and six rebounds. The Cavs did force him into a few turnovers, but the constant trapping isn’t going to work. Sabonis especially, is just too good on the short roll. Honestly, if he’s going to be out there, I don’t know why the Cavs didn’t try Jeff Green’s length on him. If George Hill isn’t going to score, siccing him on Vic wouldn’t be a bad idea either.
Are we all overreacting? There’s a certain fatalism that fans of this team have adopted. The Cavs are either awesome of the worst team ever in our eyes. Maybe this is just a bump in the road…
For the last two years, we’ve seen a Cavs squad that has underachieved in the regular season, and then totally “flipped the switch” in the playoffs. Though many thought this wasn’t sustainable, and that the years of the regular season informing the post-season were a false narrative as far as the Cavs were concerned, will this be the year that what people think they know in the regular season finally catches up to the Cavs? I hope not, but that game didn’t look good.
WOW Wade just missed his easiest shot of the night I think.
Vintage Wade…
I like Winslow…if the Cavs had traded Kyrie for Dragic, Winslow, and whatever for Kyrie, I think it might have been a good trade…Winslow might be really good in a year or two…
His shooting has come more slowly than I expected. But I still think he’ll be a star…. he’s so young… not even sure if he can drink legally lol.
He has everything but the shot…I like Josh Jackson, and I think Winslow is more promising than him…
He was such a good 3pt shooter at Duke… but weirdly he was horrible from the FT line.
Interesting…. I like your take, hard for me to judge being a Duke fan.
Heat playing some serious D. Philly fans are awful.
Heat playing a solid game, up 12.
Man philly fans are brutal. Read the sixers got booed off the floor after a bad quarter and only being down 14 at the half. Wonder what they would have done had they been cavs fans yesterday being down 20 in the first.
If Whiteside can’t shut down Simmons in the paint, I don’t see that he brings much to the Heat in this series…some defensive rebounding, that’s about it.
Nice half by the Heat…they played some serious defense, and Sixers aren’t hitting every three they toss up, as they did in game 1…
Playoff WADE! 21 pts on 8-9 FGs at half.
Nice to see Wade play well.
I hope Miami can take at least one game before Embiid gets back.
Plus, it will make G3 in Miami more interesting. Some heat on the young guys.
Vintage freaking Wade…he’s on fire…
Not much in the NBA gives me more pleasure than seeing an egregious flopper like Ilyasova get the block call and give up the three point play…
Gotta say, the Sixers are really getting the better of the calls in this half…
DWade makeup call there lol
Yeah, that was terrible…they need to remove that crap from the game…
Miami playing some serious defense. Haven’t seen that level of intensity from the Cavs all year
Exactly, if the Cavs could defend like that they would be really hard to beat even in shooting nights like the one they had yesterday.
Cedi & Nance are the only semi intense guys we have. Maybe Zizic.
Had a feeling Philly would struggle tonight. If they lose this game, really curious how the rest of the series plays out. Maybe believing their own press clippings too much.
Embiid makes them better, but it may interupt the flow they have had going with their current lineups…
Exactly, they were playing at a great pace, hard to defend.
Is there word on when Embiid comes back?
Maybe game 3…he has passed concussion protocol…
I think he had already passed but they’re taking extra pre-caution???
Winslow annoying Simmons on D…
and threw up a prayer!!!
Ilyasova has just been murdering the Heat…
Dude can play. Not athletic enough for Ty. He would sit while Jeff & TT played instead.
Hard to believe Riley gave Whiteside that awful contract. Might be the worst contract he ever dealt.
Fratello doing color for the Sixers-Heat game.
WELL TY —WTF ARE YOU WAITING FOR ————OLD SAYING —-“TALK IS CHEAP “—–IT IS TIME TO DELIVER TY
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/985928243030175744?s=19
He hasn’t finished his four clones of Jeff Green yet. Perhaps by Wednesday.
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God, he sucks. What’s amazing is his nonchalance in openly talking about how much he sucks. I almost admire it.
Did they play LBJ, Hill, Korver, Love, and Nance? Presumably that is what he means? Or maybe Calderon, Korver, Lbj, Love, and Nance? Do we know what lineup had the best plus minus per 100 possessions this year? I don’t but if anyone does, that would be interesting information. I weirdly wonder if Green is actually in one of those lineups.
LOL We didn’t get to it??? What a joke. He really does say stupid things.
More telling is putting on Lebron and Love for their fewer attempts or so. Lebron said, he has taken what defense gave him. How about some plays for those two to get more attempts or get going ?
hey LeBron’s career is NOT over —-might be a HUGE part of his decision this summer —play for a LEGITIMATE GOOD NBA COACH
What’s sad about LBJ is Eric Spoelstra will be the best coach LBJ plays for in his NBA career…. by far.
Yea, it really is sad. Wish he played with a great coach in a great system. But he himself has a lot to do with that not happening. And how weak minded this organization is to bend to his every whim.
Yup… that story Riley told was telling… basically had to put LBJ in his place, and once he did, LBJ fell in line.
I feel like Griffin should’ve done that with Blatt. I think a Blatt/Lue combo would’ve been a great bad cop/good cop tandem… and Blatt actually has an offensive system.
Griffin didn’t have the gravitas that Riley did at that time. Part of the deal with lbj coming back was basically him chafing under Riley and going to a place where he had more influence.
True.
Eh. Don’t think it would have ever worked with Blatt. He was a bit of a prima Donna himself.
I know more than one person has said that about Blatt… just don’t buy it though given what I’ve seen and heard from him, which is admittedly limited.
heard that the starting 5 Cavs had yesterday NEVER played together once prior to first game of playoffs hahaha….how does that happen and why? its like putting a staff together thats never worked once with each other in a high stress environment and you hope they succeed….hopefully Lue gets his shit together and expands rotation to 10….shit even give Cedi and Calderon like 5 min a piece wouldn’t hurt them.
sounds as if the KAWHI/ SPURS situation is very similar to KY / CAVS —–want to see how much differently they– ( the SPURS )– handle the situation than what the cavs did —and what they GET in return if they trade KAWHI
The difference is Kawhi is spurs best player, Kyrie was 2nd best player in Cavs.
Kawhi is a two-way player. Should get more for him compared to Kyrie.
However, Ky is the BEST 1 v 1 player in the league. Plus, there have to be ?s about Kawhi’s head, heart, and health at this point. And he only has 1 year left on his contract while Ky had two.
I guess we all agree that LeBron should be aggressive from the start next game and ensure a good start for the Cavs.
I have to admit that having KLove as the Cavs second option is not the best option but it’s what we got right now and maybe he and Lebron should play more PnR between them.
not that they are experts—-(and maybe this is all t.v. / media hype )–but the ESPN panel/ sports writers—AROUND THE HORN —all believe cavs are in trouble —losing the series —–all have somewhat pointed to ty’s coaching —-NOT working / practicing defense(s) during the season / taking regular season ‘too lightly “—–saying / VOWING –we have “FIXED ‘ THE DEFENSE for the playoffs ———back to ‘ viewing the film ‘——-all believe GAME # 2 IS CRUCIAL FOR THE CAVS TO WIN
If a 1 seed loses to a 16 seed, and lebron goes down in the first round, whats the third crazy sports upset thing that will happen?
You have been granted temporary GM powers, but MUST choose one of the following coaches for the rest of the playoffs:
A. Tyronne Lue
B. Mike Brown
C. David Blatt
D. Byron Scott
Go! #Gilbertsheadcoachinghires
I hate to say it, but I’m sticking with Lue. Could definitely be worse.
I would have to go with Brown.
Annnddd I hate myself for it ?
Yeah the biggest knock against brown was his offense, and guess what, we still run basically the same thing under a different coach 8 years later. At least those teams were OK defensively. I did have huge problems with his inflexible schemes and rotations against Orlando in 2009.
holy crap. that’s horrible. Man, agreed- stick with Lue. ………sigh
David Blatt…
You must be joking with these clowns. Take Larry Drew!
David Blatt, at least they played solid defense when he was the coach.
Yup… I’m a Blatt guy through and through.
Lue, I guess…what an awful question…
For this team, Mike Brown. Mike Brown atleast gets his rotations right, he is with dubs.
Yeah, Brown or Lue for me. Pretty blah panel to pick from.
Maybe he improved. I feel like he lost us the 2009 Orlando series by not changing his defensive scheme and his rotations.
Johnb, from distance for me, it looked like Mike Brown for all his short comings, took a team where 2nd best player was Mo Williams and lesser experienced Lebron to finals.
They didn’t make the finals with Williams. LeBron dragged Brown’s butt and the rest of them in 2007, but actually watching all those games, you realize LeBron did the heavy lifting for the coach. They did try on d under Brown, but Brown’s schemes and rotations were also occasionally awful. Lost the Orlando series because he refused to switch how he defended p and r. Made almost zero adjustments. Lue might actually have that on him as he sometimes makes good adjustments between games, almost never anything major in games. They also quite possibly had an even more basic offense… Read more »
For this squad? For a young team I think Blatt would be great. But for this team, Lue is probably the least bad option. We can all green that Byron is awful at least.
LeBron’s post game presser was telling (which I think is unusual for him in a loss). I REALLY don’t think he’s worried (at all). They dabbled too much in the “feeling them out” mode and letting the new guys get their Playoff sea legs. The shooting cold spell seems like an outlier… I do think we have to ride or die more with JR believe it or not. I do understand Lue’s lack of trust in Korver or Calderon guarding the Oladipo/Collison backcourt. However Uncle Jeff camped out in the corner isn’t working. Indy was far more physical than we… Read more »
You let Korver slide to the 3. Play Bron at the 4 more. Guys sliding down a spot as they age is common. Korver cannot check quick guards.
CHRIS NEED YOU TO BE LOUD—POSITIVE VIBES —BRING HOME A ‘W”—-will somehow get you a beer if you deliver a win —–pressure is on man !!!
Will do my best, Nomad!
agree RAOUL—but also does that appear to be a panic move—-what message does that send to our players / opposing players —–but it could blow up big time –but hey down 0-2 I guess you need to reach for the “—“panic button “—–Evil you are “laying low “—WE NEED YOUR “SAGE ‘ ADVICE/ PICTURES —–SOME HUMOR TO ‘CHILL ‘ US ALL OUT !!!
I don’t care if it is a panic move.
If the Cavs lose game 2 it is ABSOLUTELY time to demote Lue to the film critic role, and put Drew in as coach. This might save the season and save the team.
I would do that in any case, but if they go 0-2, there is no time to waste.
Pacers are a very good defensive team, saw first hand against dubs over last two weeks of regular season. But Cavs experience and superior offense should triumph. I still think it is 4-2 Cavs series. First though, Lue should let Drew coach this series or take help from someone on rotations like Kerr listened to Mike Brown’s(Yes, that same Mike Brown) advice on starting Iguodala at point against Spurs for Game I.
Man if Lue let Drew coach, we would win the Finals. If Lue is coaching, we’re not beating Indiana
Lue thinks JG is KD in his screwed mind and that hurts the Cavs tremendously.
Green is the Bizzaro KD.
Almost like Lue has a point to prove, stubborn with staying with Jeff Green. Warriors had similar situation when Mark Jackson started ONeal against clippers over Draymond before starting Draymond when it was too late. That got Mark Jackson fired, so that is good.
Of course it’s his ego getting in the way. See the same thing every year in Cincinnati with Marvin Lewis.
I had to turn this one off with a couple minutes left in the first quarter when it was 31-10. I have to say I put a lot of the blame on LeBron. To go 10 minutes without a shot when the Cavs were down 15+ is beyond ridiculous. For the first 4-5 minutes, it seemed he was barely touching the ball at all. I understand wanting to get the other guys going early (especially guys like Hood that don’t have a ton of playoff experience), but don’t you think they would have some pressure taken off of them if… Read more »
Agree. Nothing says domination like not taking a shot for 10 minutes whilst your team gets steamrolled.
Now, what Harden did was domination. What GSW & Philly did as a team was domination.
“DITTO—JB225”
If the Cavs don’t win the next game by double digits and end up winning in a close game I will press my panic button lol.
The Cavs need to let the Pacers know that ok you have our attention now and will show you who is boss……. I hope (fingers crossed).
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If the Cavs don’t win the next game (full stop) I will press my panic button.
The vibe that I’m getting from this game is that the result was a combination of the Cavs not taking the Pacers seriously, which in my opinion is 50% the coaches fault and once again a bad coaching decision from Lue by starting the game with Green at the 4.
To me the starting line up should be Nance Jr, KLove, Bron, Hood and GHill.
Vegas still believes in Lebron. Pacers +190 to win series even being up 1-0. Compare that to the Pelicans for example who upset Portland and are currently -110 to win the series. Interesting…
That is because so many dolts bet on Bron. Odds reflect the amount of money bet, not who Vegas thinks will win.
Hmmmm maybe if Lebron averages 40, 10, and 10. TLue plays Nance, Love, Lebron, JR, and Cedi line up more (30min), and Indiana goes cold we may actually have a chance. Chance seems rather small
I mean, the Pacers are good but not that good. I think if Green plays less and KK/Nance and Cedi play more, plus the Cavs shoot their average, they win the series in 5-6.
I’m glad they lost and didn’t come back. They almost did and they would have continued to start slow and feel invincible the rest of the playoffs. Count me in the not worried yet crowd, Cavs weren’t ready, that’s certain, if they aren’t ready Wednesday it’s panic time.
How is losing by 20 almost coming back?
LeBron’s “get out of Cleveland –WILD CARD –” will be “they didn’t / wouldn’t trade for DEANDRE JORDAN—why we couldn’t defend —why I am leaving ————ok I have posted / vented enough—-opinions are probably way too hasty / negative / b.s . —-but this is why we have this blog right — so we can vent / shoot out our opinions / ideas (no matter how bizzare / crazy )—-this allows / frees up our WIVES AND DOGS from receiving all our venting —-I know THE MRS NOMAD appreciates this blog and all you guys !!!—————-nate think I am that… Read more »
Man. Yall so fatalistic.
I haven’t given up on them. I do worry on their reliance on corner threes versus Indy’s scheme with guys like Clarkson, green, and even Hood getting a ton of minutes. Those guys don’t hot threes and our offense is not not going to be great. Pacers seem intent on giving up threes to some of those guys to take away other stuff including packing the paint for LBJ. It worked really well in game 1.
If they lose game 2, things look grim.
……they suck
am sure pacers are going to be ready for ‘locomotive LeBron ‘ coming hard at the start—whether or not they can stop / slow him–we shall see——cavs still cannot defend dribble penetration / athletic/ physical BIGS —which to me seems difficult to advance to the finals ——maybe not even win this series
how many of you think game # 2 is VERY CRUCIAL FOR CAVS TO WIN ——count me all in on that —-I could see us getting swept if we don’t get a ‘w ” on wed —–and then LeBron ripping off his jersey –more or less saying ‘ goodbye “—–hate to be pessimistic—just my thoughts/ opinion
If they lose on Wednesday, season is over. Indy is too good to have to beat 4 outta 5.
While I put nothing past LeBron, I tend to agree. Losing the first two at home is a hole few teams have climbed out of.
If Cavs hit 3pointers at their average and come with energy and effort and execution they will be fine next game…definitely will see Lebron take the lead early and be aggressive….its happened in past and usually results in wins
am almost ready to give up my ‘overwhelming support ” of HOOD —-really thought he would come here and playing with LeBron –start to BLOSSOM (think LeBron thought the same )—maybe the “LIGHTS ARE TOO BRIGHT —-PREESURE OF PLAYING WITH LEBRON TOO MUCH )—maybe Rodney likes being in the obscurity of UTAH—6th man —non -pressure games where he can shoot “FREELY —WITH NO PRESSURE )—just a thought
Folks here who have criticized Ty Lue for being a terrible regular-season coach need to reboot, just like he does. You’re just not acknowledging his (annual) total transformation into Playoff Ty Lue. Regular-season Ty Lue: No discernible offensive plays; no execution on defense; no clarity in rotations; no in-game reactions (emotional or tactical); irrational faith in veterans, regardless of performance. Primary strategic philosophy: play LeBron every game @ 37 minutes/game. Playoff Ty Lue: No discernible offensive plays; no execution on defense; cut back on bench use; no in-game reactions (emotional or tactical); irrational faith in veterans, regardless of performance. Primary… Read more »
Nailed it !
love it.
I needed that.
Ty Lue is playing the long game, he has the vision thing: He knows we need Jeff Green to matchup with KD in the Finals, so who cares about the regular season – let JG get his 3pt shot going, he’ll be that much more valuable come Finals time! All these playoff newbies need to get their feet wet — play them heavy minutes in Game 1, let them learn, no way LBJ is gonna lose a 1st round series — why not spend some of that capital to get the new guys ready for the next three rounds? Just… Read more »
Jeff Green has never and will never get his 3 pt shot going. Any time he makes consecutive threes it is out of sheer luck.
why not give ANTE a run —sure in the hell couldn’t have been any worse than GREEN ——-REALLY THINK LEBRON KNOWS THAT TY AS HEAD COACH –CAVS ARE DOOMED
Ante isn’t going to play. But cedi would be helpful.
agree 100% with anonymous—–lue is and always will be clueless—where was that ‘NEW DEFENSE ” HE VOWED FOR THE PLAYOFFS —–gimme a break—think ty knows he is gone- ( along with LeBron ) at season’s end —–has already ‘cashed it in —-packed the bags “—good riddance to you-lue–take your def. coordinator with you—–are we really ‘witnessing ‘ the end of LeBron 2.0 —I think so —-enjoy him while you can
let’s stop calling Lue, Coach Lue… that’s making mockery of coaching profession. I am not into calling names or attacking any person in my 50 years, but Lue has brought out the worst in me. it’s not just 1 game. Lue is absolute disgrace to coaching profession. He’s stubborn, thinks too much of himself with 1 ring, contradictory, and has become the weakest link to opponents’ game plan
How about Tape Lue? Since he always had to “watch the tape” in order to see what is going on. Also, just a pet peeve…people don’t watch “tape” anymore. Everything is digital. People need to stop saying that. Especially Tape Lue.
I agree… though I would add that successfully coaching this team is really a job for few humans out there (and few/none available). Consider: 1) the number of new faces brought in this summer; 2) the mismatched parts they presented; 3) the fact this “veteran” team chooses rest over practice; 4) the fifty percent roster swap halfway through the year; 5) our team’s best player’s belief that he can call audibles on any play the coach calls, from rest minutes/days off to Xs and Os to public comments/criticisms… and the biggest one, 6) that everyone but LBJ missed major time… Read more »
If memory serves, the Cavs were equally as terrible against Indiana in the first round last year in all four games, they just managed to turn it on late to pull out each time. This is what life after Kyrie looks like: no more hero ball to save the day.
they didn’t really play terrible, but didn’t play all that great….the comeback in Game 3 last year destroyed the Pacers and I think Game 4 was double digit win….yesterday was case of not showing respect or being prepared for playoffs, just bizarre showing
Nice analysis too, Nate, with the right amount of indignation. Sadly, I attended this dumpster fire yesterday and all the fans seated near us almost wanted to jump on the court and strangle Jeff Green along with Ty Lue. Two times during the game light boos serenaded the team. Once less audibly at the end of the first quarter, and as you noted at the start of the third. Can’t remember that happening during the LeBron 2.0 playoff era. It’s so obvious that LD did a much better job balancing the rotations and Lue needs to be benched.
Cavs didn’t take this seriously and didn’t rest LeBron in either of the final games just so he could get his meaningless 82 games stat. So instead of coming out with loads of pent-up energy he started with his usual feel-out flow.
I thought LeBron sat after the first quarter on the last game of the regular season.
He did — however he’s said many times that minutes don’t matter, that getting ready for the game is what makes the big difference.
Team looked unprepared for Indy’s constant attacking/blitzing style on both ends of the floor. When BogDan was driving aggressively to the hoop that threw the Cavs off as he did it 3x in 1st qtr alone. Cavs just looked lethargic and felt they could hit home runs every time instead of running an offense and being the aggressor. Felt they did too much ‘funky’ plays like Globetrotters instead of playing basic basketball. Credit to McMillan and his staff for executing a perfect game plan. Honestly, if Im the Pacers I do this style again and get Stephenson to try and… Read more »
Coach Lue was overwhelmed and decided to stick to the”gameplan” as opposed to being a real head coach and making in game adjustment.
To not see Cedi or Zz in the second half, specially after such weak showings by Green, JR and Hood(JR was soso) is beyond infuriating.
How do you not utilize such good players at your disposal when you’re down 15+ points the whole first half?
I guess that Jeff Green mount must have a beautiful scenery cause Lue’s willing to die on it…
Lue’s a moron.
Shocking. Jeff Green and Ty Lue were awful.
It’s a predictable joke.
I’m hoping the loss will force their hand to play Cedi and start Larry, but it likely won’t.
They had an obscene number of shots rim out on them in that first quarter. Some of those go down, it’s a different game. The coaching staff will likely pretend that is the reason they lost if they are too proud to yank Green.
I feel bad for Lebron (or should I since he pretty much hired Lue), Lebron’s Cavs not only have to overcome opponent, they have to overcome Lue’s bad coaching.
when it comes down to it, the odds are probably 75% that this was a fluke performance by some guys who usually perform better in the playoffs (Love, Hill), and some scared guys who are new the just how intense it can get (Hood, Clarkson, and apparently our fearless leader Tye Lue). We should win the series in 5 or 6 and get better as the playoffs go on. We got sucker punched by a team we didn’t think mattered. There were definitely enough concerning problems in the game to worry about that 25% though. Love’s lack of post presence… Read more »
From the Indianapolis Star: “Did the Cavaliers take the Pacers for granted? Let me tell what I saw. You be the judge. What you need to know for background is this: Before games, the media are allowed into NBA locker rooms for 30 minutes. I’ve been inside NBA locker rooms for 15 years, usually in the playoffs, and every time – every single time – the largest TV screen in the room is playing video clips of the opposing team. The Cavaliers weren’t preparing for the Pacers by watching the Pacers. They were watching the Bucks-Celtics. In the visitors’ locker… Read more »
Awful coaching and leadership. There is your evidence of the lack of preparation right there. You would think they would be reviewing the game plan. And if the preparation is lax on purpose because Lue fears pushing James and his vets, then he can’t be the coach for this team.
Ty Lue is to blame for this. The team was clearly unprepared to play. At least the team wasn’t watching a movie on the pre-game television. SMH. I dislike Ty Lue intensely with his so many stupid decisions.
Our offense has always been, both in the regular season and post season, have 4 guys stand around whilst LeBron (or Kyrie) attacks and either scores in isolation or kicks it out to shooters. I really see no way that strategy can possibly work against golden state without Kyrie and that’s assuming it gets us past Indy and Philly.
Most of the guys that were part of that team that can “flip the switch” were gone. Half of the rotation are new to the Cavs playoff basketball. I doubt there is even a “switch” in them they can flip off.. As long as coach Lue is in there I doubt we could give enough ball to Kevin Love. I like this group to be honest but they absolutely lack a couple more guys. Better yet, they need to replace a couple in there. Replace TT and JR with a defensive center and a scorer wing. Been saying that since… Read more »
Cavs have to activate Kendrick Perkins just so he can “Crowder” Lance Stephenson in Game 2 and send a message.
I’m really tired of the ‘home run ball’ passes after an opponent’s missed shot. They seem to go for a TO far more often than they result in points. Just more turnovers the Cavs can not afford when theif shots aren’t falling.
I’m sure Lue is going to sink or swim with Green. He made that clear when he said he’d start through playoffs. Sinking or swimming with Green hasn’t worked out for many coaches the last ten years.
I think Indiana did their homework on the home run passes. They made it a point to get back and disrupt.
Apparently Lue isn’t going to make any changes, so he’s going to die on that Jeff Green hill.
Apparently Lue isn’t going to make any changes, so he’s going to die on that Jeff Green hill.
Also who knows what the context was but Kevin Love going on record saying “we’re going to miss Kyrie” and “Lebron’s decision is going to loom over our playoff run”…either weak showing by Kevin or signs of a very weak locker room.
Well they wouldn’t have Kyrie available anyways, since he got knee surgery.
Who knows? It’s been a fun run, well maybe not this season.
What disturbs me is we go 9-1 with Drew including wins against Toronto (2), Milwaukee, and New Orleans and then Lue comes back and (throwing out the Knicks games), 2 of the 3 games we’re a dumpster fire (Philly and Indy) and 1 we barely saved faced (huge come back against Wizards)
Lue is not well.
The Cavs should consider moving Green and Hood to the bench, and maybe starting JR and Nance in their place.
As been stated Green was a dumpster fire, and Hood looked overwhelmed. JR can at least space the floor.
According to Jason’s Lloyd, the coaching staff was concerned about Korver’s foot, and after he had sat for a bit, Lue didn’t want to risk it.
If Lue keeps the same rotation going into game 2, then I hope he gives Green a really short leash.
This felt like a regular season game.
steel feeling things out :/
Ty hates the white guys!
Snark font.
Well I don’t think they can play any worse, and I still think they win this series. But I’m confused and concerned about Lue’s ability to coach this team.