From Distance: Buzz-kill Alert
2018-06-22four point play….
1. After watching dispirited regular season game after dispirited game over the course of the 2017-2018 NBA season, it is of little surprise that Koby Altman selected a young guard with maniacal energy. The Cavs number eight pick, Collin Sexton, doesn’t take plays off, bounces around with heart, and doesn’t back down even when his team has no real shot to win.
I won’t even bother linking to his three versus five Herculean effort against Minnesota. You have already seen it a few times, I’m sure.
What I will do is ask a few questions:
How much would Jordan Clarkson love to play three-on-five?
What evidence do we have that Sexton plays defense more like Patrick Beverley than Clarkson?
Who reminds you more of Russell Westbrook-lite when he barrels to the rim, Sexton or Clarkson?
Now, we all know I really don’t enjoy watching Jordan Clarkson play basketball. While some of our fine writers have gone back and forth on Clarkson’s potential, I have steadfastly considered him a hopeless chucker with low basketball IQ.
That is why I am worried about the Cavaliers’ new addition. There is no arguing Sexton’s tenacity or fearless nature. He has good length and is a plus athlete. Sexton knows how to get his body into defenders in order to get off his various floaters in the lane.
Defensively, he hops around without shuffling his feet properly, has a tendency to play behind Pick and Roll action in a late trail position, and gambles in passing lanes.
Who does that sound like?
Of course this will all come down to basketball IQ. If Sexton is to be successful in the NBA, it will be because he fully internalizes NBA defensive principles in a way that has eluded Jordan Clarkson.
The Young Bull will need to learn to harness his enthusiasm in order to make the right basketball play on both sides of the floor, possession by possession.
Look: Russell Westbrook is super talented. Yet, his teams frequently under perform because of his style.
Jordan Clarkson is quite talented. Yet, his teams frequently fall apart because of his style and careless play.
Collin Sexton is smaller, not as good of a shooter, doesn’t have a high steal rate for someone that is supposedly a defensive menace, can’t get all the way to the rim against a half-court defense, and isn’t a gifted passer.
Basically, the Cavs’ effort has been so awful over the last couple years, that a talented guy with only above average talent seems like a superhero solely because he actually cares.
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t necessarily think Sexton won’t be a successful NBA player. I simply think he has benefited from the situation at hand. His main competition in this draft came in the form of Trae Young.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpgmU-1nJjI
After countless articles and videos comparing Sexton to Young, one comes away with somewhat reductive information:
Young is a great shooter, but not particularly athletic, and Sexton is a great scorer, but not a particularly good shooter.
Somehow all of Young’s weaknesses began to be attributed to Sexton as strengths. Sexton is a more powerful and a longer athlete than Young. He is a better defender both on and off ball.
But does that mean that Sexton is an outstanding athlete and defender? No. It just means he is better than Young in those areas.
Sexton was successful in the PnR while at Alabama. If he continues to hone his game, it is conceivable that he will become a better finisher around the rim. Some work regarding his gather technique could help him get all the way to the cup more frequently.
He will need to. In college, Sexton relied too much on his superior strength to knock guys off balance on his way to an assortment of mid-range jumpers/floaters. Ya know, as we call them in the NBA, “garbage shots”.
They are shots one needs to have in the arsenal, but they can’t be the staple of your game. In college, they were Collin’s life blood. If he were a true lockdown defender and/or catch and shoot player, I might not mind. As the lead guard of a playoff team? I’m less than enthused.
2. Will he even play for the Cavs? Now that the draft in over, we are firmly in the worst time of the year. For the next week and change, there is nothing to do but hope. I don’t think Sexton does anything to encourage LeBron James to stay in Cleveland. It probably doesn’t affect LeBron’s decision either way, but there may have been some trade options that are no longer on the table.
That being said, Cleveland had plenty of time to cheer for Summer League Andrew Wiggins before he was ultimately traded for Kevin Love. There is still a huge possibility that Sexton will be included in any potential deal if James stays in Cleveland.
If that is the case, the Cavs might be smart to wait until Summer League. If James signs a new deal, then the Cavs might be able to use Summer League as a fluffer for Sexton’s NBA potential. If there is anything I am sure of, it is that Collin Sexton is going to dominate Summer League.
Players that are crazy competitive customarily turn the Summer League into their own personal playgrounds. If Sexton goes straight Donovan Mitchell on us, it will give the Cavs more opportunity to land a star via trade (while that name is out there, no, I don’t think Sexton has Mitchell regular season potential).
Only a few more weeks of speculation before things are in order. We’ll get through it.
3. In other news, it’s very hard to see why Luka Doncic was essentially passed over by four teams. On one hand, it is conceivable that Suns coach, Igor Kokoskov knows more about the young Slovenian than anyone else. One would think that if Doncic were as good as he seems to be, his National Team coach would tell management that Doncic has to be the pick.
Then again, familiarity breeds contempt. Kokoskov might be hesitant to pass up his first NBA head coaching gig simply to die on Doncic island. Owner Robert Sarver is an Arizona alum. Kokoskov would have had to fight ownership to pass on Deandre Ayton.
Vlade Divac certainly still has connections with the basketball community in former Yugoslavia to have high intel on the young Euroleague MVP. Why didn’t he go with Luka?
Perhaps Divac is skeptical of Doncic’s talent level for reasons beyond basketball. Or Doncic just doesn’t fit into what Vlade thinks of as a Superteam! Golly. Who knows with the Kings.
In any case, I’m thrilled that Luka Doncic will get an opportunity to play for one of the best coaches in the NBA. I can’t wait to see what Rick Carlisle does with Dennis Smith Jr. and Doncic.
Obviously, Dallas is already used to having a basketball star from Europe. It really couldn’t have broken better for the young man. Hey, old man Dirk might actually get a few open shots this season!
I expect the Mavs to push for the playoffs. Doncic is that good. It will be interesting to see whether they bother Luka with Summer League. If I’m Dallas, I give him a break. It’s not like he needs to use the summer as practice for playing as a pro. He’s already the European MVP of everything.
4. Watching Michael Porter Jr. fall all the way to number 14 was rather strange. I figured at the absolute latest, someone would grab Porter Jr. with the 12th or 13th pick in a deal with the Clips.
Instead, the Nuggets might have just lucked their way into a dynasty. Yes, if the injury concerns weren’t a major red flag, MPJ would have gone earlier. Clearly, the worry is legitimate enough for the league to collectively sit on its hands while Porter tumbled almost completely out of the lottery.
Yet, if Nikola Jokic and a blossoming Jamal Murray hang around long enough for Porter to get healthy and flourish, the Nuggets could be in incredible shape. Denver barely missed out on the playoffs last season. Somehow, they just selected a guy that could be the second best player in this class when all is said and done (I still have Doncic ahead).
Denver won’t celebrate too hard until Porter Jr shows what he can do on the floor, but the ceiling of this team has been raised quite a few stories.
Quickies:
Danny Ainge got an athletic rim-running big with huge upside in Robert Williams. That’s annoying.
I love the Bucks’ pick of Donte DiVincenzo. That kid can shoot, comes up big in big games, is incredibly athletic, and works hard off ball. He is a perfect compliment for what they already have.
Had I gone really hard this year into pre-draft scouting, I would have fallen for Jacob Evans. I’m glad I didn’t. I didn’t know much about the guy until the Warriors selected him at 28. Well, since then, I checked him out. Watched some film. Got sad. Turned off film.
Since I was already sad, I tried to imagine Mohamed Bamba’s rookie year on the Magic. Poor guy. There actually are some pieces on that Magic’s roster. They just don’t combine to make a modicum of sense as a depth chart.
With no player moves during the draft, we are likely to see a slew of deals after free agency opens. The fun is only starting. Or misery. We shall see.
Kawhi acts as a cooler on other deals. If Bron is cooler #1, Kawhi is #2. If there is a chance you can land him, do you use assets on another deal (PG13, CP3). Probably not. Bron, OK.
However, Kawhi is not a FA. If you wait on Kawhi, when the music stops you might not have a player.
George has a PO. He could opt in for 1 more year. If he does & SAS won’t deal with LA (and CP3 stays in HOU) then LA cannot make a superteam.
At this point…. I feel like the only way LeBron finds his way to LA is if he and KD team up there. I just can’t see CP3 leaving Houston given their success this past year. And LeBron and PG aren’t beating GSW, which means that PG would be unlikely to leave OKC IMO.
Can Houston sign CP3 and PG without giving much?
Good question… IDK…. They would have to find a way to dump Ryan Anderson and get something for Capela to facilitate the trade…. not sure if that all can happen within the rules.
Just looked at Houston’s cap situation…. they could get PG13… they’d have to get rid of Anderson and Eric Gordon…. renounce cap holds on everyone but CP3. If there’s a GM who could make it happen, Morey could make it happen.
Not sure if it’s worth it, not sure if isn’t a lateral move for PG13, but very interesting possibility nonetheless.
CP3 isn’t going to be happy if they renounce their cap hold on him. It means they can only offer him the regular max, not the hometown max. Not happening anyway. Nobody is taking on Andersen and Gordon’s deals without sending any money back. Nobody has that type of cap room and even if they did, Houston doesn’t have the assets to make worth their while.
Literally, I don’t see the Lakers getting anyone. which will be hilarious after all this talk of superstars going there.
Seems like there is no where for Lebron to go. At least, no place where he could build a legacy, keep his family happy, as well as beat the Warriors.
Best places to beat Warriors: Boston, Philadelphia, Houston
Best places for his family: Cleveland, Los Angeles
A place that has everything: no where.
Seems like Lakers aren’t getting anyone:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2018/06/23/lebron-james-free-agent-chris-paul-kawhi-leonard-paul-george/728017002/
Article makes some good points. CP3 probably won’t leave Rockets as long as he gets paid. Spurs aren’t trading Kawhi to LA. It could be argued that PG13 would be taking a step backwards from competing for a championship leaving OKC. Where does that leave LBJ? Is it possible that LBJ signs for one more year, sees how far these CLE youngins develop and sees what they do personnel-wise? Cavs should be exploring move for Kawhi… or Kemba/Batum… ideally all three… but I don’t think they have enough assets to make that kinda move… their only assets appear to be… Read more »
I think the Spurs would consider a Love/Sexton/Cedi/Zz for Kawhi deal. Not that I would, but I’m sure Pop would love to have those type of players on his team for a disgruntled guy that seems to not want to play.
Yup…. not sure they could much better outside of deal centered around Ben Simmons….. maybe Jaylon Brown but I wouldn’t trade with Boston for anything less than Tatum.
Ben Simmons is available for trade????
He should be IMO…. dude can’t shoot, and probably won’t be a decent shooter for a decade, if Jason Kidd was any example and Kidd’s form is noticeably better. I think selling high on Simmons, stocking up ammo, is the best way to acquire LBJ and Kawhi, plus another piece possibly.
Would Simmons and Dario get you Kawhi?
Dario wouldn’t need to be included IMO.
You think Pop would trade Kawhi for Simmons straight? I think he knows he can get more than that. Kawhi is top 5-10 player.
Yup…. I do. Kawhi has an injury that kept him out for the year and supposdly he doesn’t want to be there. I think the Spurs would consider themselves lucky to get a guy like Simmons. And i think Simmons is the absolute best the Spurs could do.
Simmons is not available for trade man, you’re just making assumptions here (which is perfectly fine), but factually speaking he is not on the table. I think Sixers are aiming to trade for Kawhi (hence the draft day trade for the Miami pick) and then hoping to convince Lebron to sign and play with Simmons, Embiid, Kawhi.
I’m not even assuming anything… I’m just BSing about what the Spurs would hope to accomplish… no need to get bent out of shape about this.
Kawhi is a top 5-10 player? Wow, people forget how good he was before his injury. He was top three at worst and a number of people had him #1 overall (remember LBJ was nowhere near as good two years ago as this year). Best on ball defense in the league, by far. Could do everything with only weakness was that he wasn’t a great passer out of a double-team. The Spurs won 67 and 61 games his last two years. Way better than top 5 or 10.
Hence my theory that would take a guy with the talent level of a Simmons or Tatum to get him.
Jayson Tatum notwithstanding to my “best they could do”…. Tatum would be my preference in fact.
At the same time, considering Lue won’t ever play Cedi or Zz, I think I would do the trade for Kawhi.
lol… yup.
Oh no Lakers also signed Any Name. They’ll be unstoppable this year
https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=l&ai=DChcSEwjJovW04ezbAhUIk2kKHQ-nCEMYABAFGgJpcQ&sig=AOD64_1wsUY4TjrBzkotEhakNRvK7wdxCA&ctype=5&q=&ved=0ahUKEwiDkvC04ezbAhVPZawKHUQADWoQqCsIRA&adurl=
Poops looks like I don’t know how to post a picture
thinking Nike is “gambling ” and wants to be ready —just in case—regardless of his decision –they will sell
No it is not. Not a good look for Bron either. The implication being he told Nike before everyone else.
Well that’s not a good sign.
https://twitter.com/Travilaaa/status/1010628499101573121?s=19
How’s that not an issue with the league? He’s not a free agent yet.
Fake news
Could be a custom made one by the actual store.
Nike can do whatever they want. They either know {which I doubt} or they just printed them in case.
We’ll if they’re wrong they’ll be send to central Africa with the 2018 Cavs Championship t-shirts.
Yup… a super team in LA from the looks of it. CP3, PG13, LeBron at least….. and I’d bet another surprise guy.
Bunch of nonsense, doesn’t mean anything
Preston & Mathias are the types of guys we should have been using 2 ways and the last roster spot on, but have not been.
This Preston kid has crazy potential.
https://youtu.be/dUAWqoNmaFs
I have a feeling he’s going to be better than Anthony Bennett.
Hahaha
Jason thank you for some “ol time bill preston ” vibes—–summer league team could be a BEAST !!——–do NOT let Ty around this team for fear of cedi and ante not getting any playing time
So far summer league:
PG: Sexton + Scootchie
SG: Holland + Mathais (sp?)
SF: Cedi
PF: White + Preston
C: Zizic
Ohmigod. Someone bought this and is still wearing it.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1010736363405180928?s=19
Maybe he is a Celtics fan? Or GSW?
might have been the “baggage ” —just a hunch —-6’10’ / 235 —athletic-/ 20 yrs old –worth a try
I have no idea if he can play, but was a bigtime HS player in his class…he has the body, worth bringing him in.
He probably needs to spend some time in the G League playing against real competition before you can really say.
Why didn’t anybody throw a 2nd rounder at Preston?
ok evil give me some “ol time ” billy preston music———maybe the cavs found gold —we shall see
Nothin from nothin leaves nothin
And you gotta have somethin
If you wanna be with me
AGREE 100% NICK !!!
If the league is going to slowly degenerate into a bunch of guys just trying to team up with each other – it’s not going to make for fun basketball. I suppose it’s the fault of stupid Durant because of the move he made, but I’m not going to get excited if CP3, LeBron, Kawhi and whoever all play together.
That would basically put eight of the top 20 guys in the league on two teams which is insanely stupid.
Better than 3-4 in only one team for the next 2-3 years.
I detest GS so f’ing much that I would be okay seeing CP3, LeBron, Kawhi and PG13 together so they can take them out.
I hated last season knowing GS was bound to repeat. I can’t take another season of smug Dray and Steph and snake-azz KD all happy for taking the easy way out.
Can’t f’ing stand them!!!
+1
+2. Preach Brother, preach.
I hear y’all but I absolutely hate the Warriors. I want them to lose.
I would rather have basketball stop being a thing than have those two teams in a finals. If LeBron leaves I hope whatever team he goes to is entirely unsuccessful. I’m a fan of the Cleveland Cavaliers not the Lebronsylvania…,,somethings.
Bah. Down with super teams.
PG13 may stay in OKC, Paul may sign long term in Houston, and Spurs definitely will take their time in finding the best trade for Kawhi (they have no interest in sending him to the Lakers). It may just be Lebron who makes a decision, and I think it will be difficult for him to find a team that can actually contend and challenge the Warriors.
….. unless he chooses Philly, which I highly doubt he will
If it is in LA I will be apathetic. I detest the lakers and always have and GS is insufferable. So I just won’t have any interest in the league outside of watching the cavs young guys.
I watched around an hour of Sexton highlights this morning from this season at Alabama. I wasn’t really buying some of the comparisons/ similarities to Derrick Rose, but you definitely get that vibe just watching highlights strung together. It’s been so long since Rose was good that I almost would need to watch highlights of him as a reminder…but Sexton does look a little bit like a better shooting, less explosive Rose. So much will depend on if he can finish in the paint in the NBA. I think he’s smarter than Rose, and maybe a harder worker, so he… Read more »
Typical try hard /s
FWIW, Altman said he was going to use the TPE we have. I also think we have one from the RJ deal, though it is only $2.5 million (slightly more than vet min for some guys). So we could get 3 players with our exceptions (or use one to re-sign Green).
I’d pass on Jeff Green.
I’m not sure they can find anything better than Green at that price.
I’d rather use it on some rookie then.
What I meant to say is that I’d rather not use it, and let a rookie play more minutes.
I am intrigued by MATHIAS from purdue—ohio prep star—kid can flat out shoot ——maybe we have the chance to rectify the “smoking joe ” let go—-possible replacement for korver ?
I only watched a few minutes of video of him. Sorry but I he doesn’t have a place on the roster. He’s slow and doesn’t posses much athleticism. He can shoot but his release is slow that defense would recover on him quicker. Again I only watched his highlights for a short time.
I agree that he’s slow will get smoked on defense if he doesn’t lose some weight and get stronger. But his shot release is the opposite of slow. And he’s an offensive savant…. he can finish in the paint with either hand, and uses the shot fake intuitively and finds space to shoot instinctually. If he’s dedicated, he absolutely has a place in today’s NBA as a backup floor spacer…. he reminds me of Dellavedova with beautiful shooting form. If Delly can make it, so can he.
Sigh. People continually underrate Delly’s athleticism. Dude is a flat athlete like a linebacker. WAAAAY stronger than people realize and with a great base. That’s not even getting into his basketball mind. Delly isn’t just some “try hard kid”
Not bad for a fat guy…./s
Where did I say Delly is a “try hard kid”??? And why the sigh? Go back and look at my posts, I was on the Delly train from the start. But I also recognize that what he has in terms of strength and girth limits his lateral movement. And I agree that Delly’s bball IQ is fantastic, and by all appearances, so is Mathias’ bball IQ. Also Mathias has a similar body build of Delly, Mathias looks pretty strong to me. Nothing I’ve said should leave anybody thinking that comparing Mathias to Delly wasn’t a compliment to both players… other… Read more »
“If Delly can make it, so can he.” That was the reason for the sigh. Delly is so frequently categorized by what he isn’t than what he is. He is very strong, decent laterally, and relentless. His defense was his early calling card because Beal shouted him out and he played Curry well in the first few games of the 2015 Finals. More than anything, he worked his tail off on that end, but with brains. Still, his best NBA skill is his PnR handle. He is a great PnR player yet he rarely gets any credit for it. Sorry… Read more »
All good Ben… I take offense to being lumped in with C**s LMAO
I don’t know. Ok maybe I watched the wrong highlights. Speed of release is good I stand corrected. But with his lack of athletic ability, it would be tough for him to create space for himself even with the help of screens in the next level. It’s not the end all be all, but just saying.
Yeah, in some of his highlights, he’s so wide open, he took his time on his shot. But off the dribble or curling off screens, he gets it up quickly. I think his bball IQ ability to read defensive angles off screens and float to space will open him up without needing elite athleticism, especially in a backup role. I should clarify my comparison with Delly in that Delly’s forte is defense… whereas Mathias’ forte is clearly offense. But they both look strong, tough, and smart.
He does not have the size (6’4″ vs Korver at 6’7″ or 6’8″) but he is younger. Flat out shooter. I would not say replacement, more of an understudy. We need some reliable shooting from deep. FWIW, Joe Harris is an unrestricted FA and we have a mid-level exception and a $5.8 million TPE in the holster. Only 13 teams have practical cap space of over $5.8 million (though others do have TPEs as well, or a higher mid level than us). There are 18 players (out of 125 UFA/RFAs) who are FAs who made more than $5.8 million last… Read more »
Consider this for LA.
They need two superstars to compete. Bron, PG13, & CP3 do not want to fly solo there. Boogie or Kawhi might.
If Kawhi is coming next year, and that is a big IF, but if you believe it, do you keep your powder dry & try to land him in FA next year for nada, collect a lottery pick in the draft, and try to sign another guy. Or do you try to get two guys now?
I think they’d sign CP3 or PG, and LeBron now if they could.
But I think they are probably trying to figure out how to get 3 stars. If that’s the case, there could be an opportunity to do a S&T with LeBron.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9xvgl6w
You are probably right. A bird in hand and all. But getting two now will require a S&T which will cost them some assets for sure.
I’m pretty sure they can sign two max players without making any trades. They’d have to stretch pay Deng though, I think.
But they will need more than just two to beat GS.
KD and LeBron would take down GSW. That’s the only duo, but they could get it done.
RE: max players yup they can just sign 2 guys without giving up anything. My guess is that they’d trade for the 3rd guy. Paul, PG13, LeBron or LBJ/PG13/Kawhi…. LeBron and Paul might take less just to team up too… Then you can do 4 stars…. CP3/LBJ/PG13/Kawhi.
Summer league so far:
PG: Sexton
SG: Holland/kid from Purdue
SF: Osman
PF: White
C: Zizic
I wanted them to draft MP jr if available. However, Sexton is fine and not a stretch. Also I feel much much better on passing MP jr since five teams behind us did. That tells me something. Either he was woefully underwhelming during his team workouts or there are serious injury concerns. I would feel worse if I was team 10-13.
If LeBron joins the Lakers I hope they lose all of their games or at least get swept by somebody in the playoffs. If he stays with the Cavs I hope they win the 2019 NBA championship. Given the capricious regionalism at the core of professional sports I believe this to be a reasonable take.
Sounds fair and balanced to me.
does the C PAUL situation with the rockets possibly bring potential of him coming to the cavs ——are there talks with his and lebrons camps ?
I think its more likely that he and LeBron go to the Lakers.
Yup…. super team in LA looking extremely likely…. even rumors of KD and LeBron teaming up there.
Lakers are going to need a sign & trade for Paul. Even they do not have enough space to sign Bron & CP3 to max deals (would be over $70 million). They can get close (around 65 mil) but would only have like 6 players. Vet min for the rest. For Bron, if he opts out, the it is us, Lakers, & Philly. For CP3, if he opts out, I guess he could take a small cut this year in LA. I guess either guy could try to force a sign & trade if they say get something or nothing… Read more »
Cedi playing summer league with Sexton—that will be fun to watch !!
dream team!
Yup… pretty excited about Summer League…. guys like Mitchell, Ball, Kuzma, Exum rode the wave into the regular season… hoping Sexton and Cedi do the same.
Shan brought that up earlier ( HOWARD )—-got totally shut down
Word out of Charlotte is that the locker room couldn’t stand him. If we want Kemba (or by some miracle CP3), neither one of those guys wants to play with Dwight.
most of the talking heads (re espn, etc) were quite excited and very complementary about “the trade” where the cavs got rid of EVERYBODY (re gary oldman in the professional).. and they certainly played extremely well against boston and okc.. those games were fun to watch.. LBJ was whooping it up and having a good ol’ time.. kyrie looked positively shell-shocked on the bench watching the carnage.. the celtics blogs were all gushing about how the cavs took alpo and turned it into filet mignon.. and were jealous that their team was unable to do anything similar.. so.. what happened?… Read more »
There was bound to be a lot of chill mode after the Cavs won the championship. There was even more because Delly left too.
Maybe Sexton can bring some of Delly’s intensity back.
(Said in earnest but also as Cols bait.)
Not sure if this has been talked about here – what do you guys think about going after Howard now that he is on the market? Methinks he could still be an inside force, and paired with LeBron (if he stays) could give us a solid defensive anchor that LeBron has never had.
Locker room cancer. No thanks.
Howard no longer fits the need of the NBA. He’ll be out of the league after next season. See Roy Hibbert.
I think Sexton will be a great fit next to Cedi.
This article largely supports how I feel about Sexton. Most on this board are thrilled with the pick, and given the respect I have for the people here, I hope your all right. I just don’t see it. – I have a personal short list of statistical red flags for players coming out of college. “Point Guards who average less than 4 assists per game” is on that list. – From everything I’ve read, his shooting is substandard. While his reach will enable him to guard opposing PGs well, his height will prevent him from being switch-worthy. A team like… Read more »
Who would you have picked?
Either of the Bridges (multi-tool 3 & D guys with upside). Robert Williams (rim protection). SGA (PG with size to guard three positions). Someone who actually can provide something that will help against GS.
Of those, I think only Mikal Bridges would be helpful against GS. There’s a reason Williams fell to the end of the first round. And super not impressed with SGA…
Time will tell.
Nobody in this draft would help against GS next year. Donci maybe. Maybe.
The assist numbers are partially because his team was pretty awful. Need guys who can make shots to get assists.
Hardly any college guards average more than 5 assists.
Every other PG taken in the first round- Young, SGA, Holiday, Shamet- averaged at least 5.2. A number of shooting guards taken had more than Sexton.
This is what worries me most about Sexton. Court vision is an instinct… it can rarely be learned IMO. Even guys that do learn it, like Westbrook, revert back to their nature under pressure. And off the top of my head, Westbrook is the only name I can come up with that I can even say “improved” his court vision.
SGA played on a loaded team and Young is an assist hunter. Assists also are not a measure of court vision, especially in college where they don’t run a lot of drive and kick. You have to watch a lot of film to assess that. I haven’t watched a ton, but it looks like his court vision is fine, but he had a tendency to get tunnel vision in that system. I have the feeling that you’re talking about 2 completely different things. It’s true you can’t teach court vision. But while it’s an important instinct to have, its only… Read more »
A lot of times what looks like “out of control” or “reckless” in college basketball is actually going to end up just being good basketball in the NBA. You’ve got to remember how different the pro game is to the college game not just in ways that make it hard for some guys to adjust but also make it a little easier for other guys. For a quick, strong and athletic guard, the NBA is just a much more conducive place because the spacing is better and the teammates are better. First of all, most teams have at least 2… Read more »
The first point you made is reason enough for me to be excited to have Sexton on our team. He seems super fast and aggressive, and like the kind of guy who can make regular season cavs games fun to watch again. Nobody in this draft is a sure thing. I’m glad we gambled on a guy who is going to bring energy every night. I want my league pass money to be worth it this year.
For the record on the trade talk:
2019 First: 11-30 TO ATL, protected 1-10.
2020 First: ditto if not conveyed: otherwise have.
2021: Have it.
2022 have it.
Thanks…. was wondering myself.
Nice. So if we think next year we will have a pick.
Yep, if Bron bolts & we stink we would keep the pick if it is top 10.
The good news is that last year Lue was able to develop both Cedi and Zizic into useful pieces. Hopefully he can do the same with Sexton.
Huh?
Satire
Awesome–you have fooled a few here, but not me! If LeBron does not return, what are the chances Lue realizes he could have kept LBJ by actually playing the vets less?
Considering JRs contract is basically just this year with a small amount guaranteed next year it’s hardly an albatross. That Batum contract. Now that’s an albatross.
If we could get Kemba and Batum, with keeping Sexton, and assuming LeBron stays, then we have a shot of beating the Dubs.
CP3 and Rockets, something -ve brewing there. Cavs should be patient, may be an opportunity developing to trade for CP3.
Agreed. Why has Paul suddenly become a malcontent?
Had a deal with previous ownership…. Rockets were sold and supposedly was told that implicit deal no longer stands with new ownership.
I’m wondering if it’s CP3 that goes to the Lakers with Lebron instead of Paul George.
Agreed. Assuming Hill & JR go out (as both come off the books after next year):
Starters: Kemba, Batum, Bron, Love, Nance.
Reserves: Sexton, Clarkson, Korver, Osman, TT, Zizic.
RFA: Hood
UFA: Green, Calderon, Perkins
NonG: White
Add some rim protection & frontcourt shooting in the FA market.
Keep Hill put in Clarkson and White.
Then you have Hill to run small ball lineups: Hill/Kemba/Batum/Bron/Nance….. that’s a great defensive lineup IMO.
Also puts less pressure on Sexton. Hill/Sexton as a backcourt >>> JC/Sexton.
Also, re-sign Green and Calderon if possible and I think there’s no question that’s an improved team.
Also by keeping Hill, you can make Batum a 6th man and LeBron sub.
I looked up his stats, and while he was poor from 3 (33.6%), he still averaged around 5 boards & 5 dimes & was a plus on both O and D for a poor team.
Definitely… I’d just be concern about his ability to be a starting 2 guard…. he’s more suited IMO guarding the 3/4 position with the ability to switch onto 1/2/5. Also, he can be an offense initiator as a bench guy and we could finally get LeBron substantial rest during the regular season.
So is this realistic?
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y79urczg
Aside from Batum’s really ugly contact I think this works well for what we try to achieve.
I’d do it, but don’t think it’s realistic. Hornets would need to get something out of the trade besides dumping Batum’s contract. Cavs could try sending next year’s first, maybe something else…
Of course. But I think this would be the foundation of the trade.
I’d throw in Sexton, keep Hill, and ditch JC/TT….. I get being tantalized by potential, but I think having Hill getting comfortable is better for the next two years than having Sexton probably riding the pine the first two years.
Cavs don’t have a first next year.
Batum ($24) + Kemba ($12) = $36 mil.
Tax paying teams can take back 125% + 100k of salary in a trade, relative to what they send out. Hill/JR works. Hill/Clarkson works. JR/Clarkson/White works. TT + Hill or JR or Clarkson works.
Have to think we would have to throw in a future 1st. 2021 is the first one we can deal, I think, since we shipped the 2019 in the Korver deal (I think that is right).
JR/Clarkson/White works??? Wow…. throw in a pick and it should be a done deal IMO.
I think the Hornets won’t want to take on money after next year. But if they like him, it works salary wise (barely).
Clarkson’s contract is half the cap hit/expense of Batum’s with at least a year less…. stretch pay him/buy him out…. also Kupchak is in Charlotte and IIRC he drafted JC… maybe he still likes him?
Sorry Jason…. just got your point about Hill…. now I get it. But then I wouldn’t include a pick… that’s a huge bonus for Charlotte to trade Hill for Batum contract-wise.
Sexton’s numbers are across the board better than Clarkson’s and Clarkson was 21 when he left college. Don’t get the comparison.
I don’t, either, other than Clarkson is like a worst case result for Sexton if he is unable to cut it in the NBA…
It’s a troll Tring to make a false equivalency.
I don’t think it’s trolling, it’s pointing out similar weaknesses in their games. They are not the same player, but they have similarities in some respects, and that’s what you use to compare with rookies. Sexton, whether justified or not, spent last year going 1 on 5 at times. He’s not a great passer yet. He’s an athletic guy who’s defensive fundamentals needs work and who is a low efficiency/high volume scorer. If that’s all he ever is, he’s Jordan Clarkson. If he develops the weaknesses in his game, he’s not.
Or Russell Westbrook.
Sorry. Wasn’t trying to call you or Sammy trolls. Was talking about Mr. Anonymous down below and on a couple earlier posts. I don’t agree with the conclusion, but you’re not trolls.
Apparently Cavs still trying to get Kemba while keeping Sexton as well…
Now THAT would be terrific. Honestly what really needs to happen to convince LeBron to stay is ditching the albatross contracts that are JR, TT, and JC.
Unfortunately they aren’t getting Kemba without taking on the absurd contract of Batum.
Which is fine. Batum can play with LeBron. He’s light years better than JR and can guard at least three positions.
Exactly.
Hey,
Kemba / Batum for Hill / JR works perfectly fine on the trade machine.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y79urczg
I’d do that all day. And MJ would get a Scottie Pippen clone in JR…
Yeah, Batum can bring a great dimension to the team defense. He can guard 4’s better than Green. Also a better shooter. Still just 29.
Kemba Sexton LBJ Batum Love!
That lineup is getting destroyed by any good playoff offense. You can’t run out two 6’1″ guys in your backcourt and expect to defend in the Finals.
Rather keep Hill but I think I’d still do it…. apparently JR/TT/JC for Batum/Kemba would work too… throw in a future 1st or more?
Make it happen MJ!
That’s OK…. Batum >>>>>>>>> present day JR. Also, Batum > JC, Batum > TT.
Batum is still really good. He played with Howard, who makes everyone else worse.
So Collin as 6th man? Fine with me. That’s adding firepower with Kemba. Still doesn’t address any form of defense tho.
Can we rob MJ in this deal? I don’t know if he can outdo himself one more time from the Howard deal..
Depends on how pi$$ed he is paying Batum’s contract…we could send them JR, who can be a playmaking PG in a pinch…/s
That would be pretty spectacular.
Cavs sign undrafted Purdue guard Dakota Mathias. He can definitely shoot.
Love it…. played in a power conference… like a better shooting Smokin Joe.
I’m sure he’ll be with the Charge, but, like you say, could be a Smokin’ Joe type…6’4″+, will really depend on if he brings his shot to the NBA…he absolutely lit it up in college…
Yup…. defense probably will be bad, but at least I’d hope he’s pretty tough. Also his assist numbers are clearly better than Smokin Joe’s when comparing college careers. Maybe a better team player/ball mover.
He’s definitely much more of a facilitator than Smokin’…made a lot of tough shots coming off of screens, too…needs to get in better shape, but he could be a specialist in the NBA…
If you look up a little more info on Dakota you would know that he consistently guarded the opposing teams best player and did really well. What makes him so good other than shooting is his bball IQ
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/06/14/dakota-mathias-nba-draft-2018-purdue-matt-painter
My final buzzkill thought and then I’ll shut up: I’m always concerned when I hear GM’s or teams talk about how they fell in love with a player based on interviews. I think that character is important, but anytime a team let’s emotion come into play they make mistakes. Maybe he’s a great person, good for him. But can he defend the pick and roll? Character should be a reason to drop someone down your board, but not a reason to raise someone up. Falling in love with Sexton seems driven in part by DG, which is horrifying. DG falls… Read more »
It’s not like it was a stretch drafting him. Most draft analysts had him going top 10. Also for what it’s worth DG wanted Oladipo when everyone else in the FO wanted Bennett.
Fair point.
Yeah, i listened to a lot of guys the last couple of weeks who watched Sexton a lot more than I have, and a few thought him the most likely player to be ‘overdrafted’, i.e., drafted higher than he probably should be. But even those guys had him around 11-14…it’s not like he’s a huge reach, if he’s a reach.
This seems reasonable…. I think he and SGA were probably overdrafted because of the need for off the dribble playmakers and some of the 3 and D wings were underdrafted, so to speak.
I get your point here, but I doubt that character is what sold the Cavs on him.
Who couldve saw the Philly-Miami trade? There’s so much going on that we don’t know.
Well, hopefully any GM who is doing his job could’ve foreseen that trade, or at least knew it was possible.
Yeah…. I don’t get the “saw” thing either… I think it was as simple as PHX thinking Bridges was better than Sexton, which is curious to me given the greater need at PG for PHX than another wing.
I disagree completely. He is nothing like IT or Felder. He seems closer to Oladipo, whom Gilbert supposedly liked. He is freak athlete, smart, and raw. The intangibles are what make you take a chance. Killer instinct is rare.
Not the size or the elite level athlete of Oladipo.
Time will tell. Smaller, but I see him comparable athletically.
Besides Knox, who a lot of teams apparently weren’t enamored with despite his potential (probably because they questioned his desire to really become the best he could be), Sexton had the highest ceiling at that point in the draft. Outside of Doncic, nobody in the draft was really NBA-ready. Bridges is and will be a nice player, but his ceiling is pretty low. He’s not particularly strong, he was rarely shooting his 3’s from NBA range and at his age, his handles and quickness aren’t going to improve much. Sexton has his fair share of faults, but aside from his… Read more »
Also, BTW, you need to be smart above all to guard the pick and roll effectively. And the game in general is as cerebral as ever. If you have a high basketball IQ and are an elite athlete, you can more than make up for being an inch or 2 shorter than you’d like to be.
I appreciate that Sexton plays hard all the time, and that he is smart. But if that is important to our team, then why the hell didn’t Osman get any play? He was a rookie, with more experience than Sexton, who played hard all the time, was smart, and needed some work on his three point shot. He was taller than Sexton and a better defender. He actually proved to be a good player in the NBA when he got minutes. And he rode the bench for the entire playoffs. Why do we think Sexton will get any run with… Read more »
One word. Potential.
Who has a higher selling rate in a trade? Sexton.
Both have the same floor imo, but Sexton has a higher ceiling, also my opinion. So that makes him a better corner stone if Lebron leaves.
I always get sad when I read the logical analysis of someone that echoes my thoughts. I don’t have great hopes for Sexton. The more I learned about him, the more I thought about Clarkson. I just don’t understand, in this day and age of the NBA, in drafting someone who isn’t a good to great 3pt shooter or someone who can’t switch everything. It’s why I thought Mikal Bridges was the right pick, based on what was available and what our team needs if we have any hope of keeping LBJ. Sexton will not be able to guard the… Read more »
sexton’s shot ( which isn’t all that bad )–will improve —-long arms help promote a smoother/ higher shot / full follow thru —–bet we see a better looking shot by the 1st game / remember cedi’s shot 2yrs ago / had a big ‘hitch ‘ in it ——also just throwing it out there —just turned 19—-he still has room / yrs to possibly grow —who knows………………………………….o.k I am going to get ‘hammered ‘ for even throwing this out there but here goes—anybody “all in ” for possibly pursuing DWIGHT HOWARD ? —–YOUR THOUGHTS ?
No to Dwight, now and forever.
I would rather coax Roy Hibbert out of retirement than have Howard.
I’m ALL OUT on Howard.
Yeah, his stroke is fine. It will be very good soon.
and no to Dwight.
We have best shooting coach in NBA…coach Korver!
Dwight Howard, TT, JR, Jordan Clarkson, Ty Lue – i think I would choke on my own vomit.
I’m starting to feel bad for MPJ tho, seems like a good kid. Although that back is really concerning and if reports of him are true that he might be shelved for a year, then imagine if we picked him?
I don’t think it’s that different than what we can get from Sexton. He’s not going to be giving us 25 minutes a night, and if LBJ stays, he may not even sniff the court in the playoffs.
Lol, good way of reminding me that Ty lue is still our coach!
I mean picking MPJ would be a useless ammo if reports of him not being able to play in a year since we are trying to land a legitimate 2nd option for Bron.
If MPJ (and I say if…) essentially has to sit out this year, that makes two seasons he’ll miss at 18 and 19 years old. Pick him at 14, great, it’s worth the risk. But it’s not like the Cavs were the only team to pass higher in the lottery. I was terrified the Cavs were going to take him.
Collin has swag, but I think he’s level headed and knows where he really is at. His chip isn’t as bothersome compare to like Dion. He’s more of a funneled rage in him that I think would lead him to greater heights.
After everything that I saw and read, it made me like this guy even more. I apologize for comparing him to Waiters before. I know I’m sorry. I think the front office has done a great job on picking a guy who they could sell high for a trade or keep and build a great future with. I hope for the latter but I worry about the moves we could make without letting him go. We need another proven guy here. I don’t think we land a Kawhi/PG level guy but maybe we could snag someone like CJ or Beal… Read more »
https://twitter.com/harrylylesjr/status/1009954170567262214
LMAO…. I like that!
I swear this is my first ever encounter with Collin. Already liked this guy after this vid. I never bothered what happened on this game after (I think they got routed, but whatever!).
The question to me now is what would you’d rather have: Sexton, Bridges, or Smith + Miami’s unprotected 1st rounder, which was what the Sixers got for trading Bridges.
Bridges or Smith +Miami’s 1st.
Yeah rather have Smith plus that Miami pick. That Miami pick would let the Cavs add two guys without giving up love.
I think this is the correct answer too.
It could be used in helping the sixers land an all-star in a trade (possibly Kawhi). Great move by them.
In the moment was really doubting trading Mikal. But after the fact, man what a move by Philly. Grade A.
Agreed…. I think Mikal would legitimately help LeBron as a bench piece this year if given consistent minutes… and no guarantee what CLE does with that Miami pick (plus whatever else)…. but it would’ve been nice to have the option.
I feel like he might have to rebuild his shot a little bit to extend his range. He releases on the way up, which is good, but cocking it back like that over his head doesn’t give him the greatest balance of power and control.
Ben, you cannot kill my buzz… only LeBron can do that… ;)
It’s really hard to predict the trajectory of 18/19 year old players who are literally improving by the month or week. I’m okay with Sexton, a buzzkill would have been Porter for me, for numerous reasons. At the 8th pick, anyway. I might have broken something if they had taken him.
Agree. The only other guy I would have liked who was available when they picked was Mikal…
The more I think about it, the more disastrous the Magic taking Bamba seems. Maybe they can trade him…they need a point guard so badly, I bet they’d bite on versatile veteran PG/ Combo Guard Jordan Clarkson. He has Laker DNA, too.
A question to those who (unlike me) have watched Sexton play:
Would a better comp for Sexton be “Ramon Sessions + Defense”, and not Clarkson?
Those few clips during the draft telecast of Sexton successfully evading defenders while driving assertively (recklessly?) to the basket sure reminded me of Sessions during his time with the Cavs, more than anyone else.
He has a way higher ceiling than both of those guys. But won’t know until he gets to the NBA. It’s a way different game and everybody has to adjust.
As far as Sexton being part of a trade, per Windhorst, Dan loves him, so probably not happening.
Not sure Porter is that great for the Nuggets…they can score well enough right now…he may be a great pick, if he can be healthy, but I’m not betting on that.
Freaking love DiVincenzo to the Bucks.
Bamba went into a terrible situation.
Nothing gives me less confidence in personnel moves than knowing Dan Gilbert had input in the decision.
The consensus seems to be that he will have to work really hard to become above average and has almost no all star potential.
Everybody has to work hard to be above average in the NBA. He probably tops out somewhere around a longer, more athletic Kemba Walker, but that’s pretty good…
What consensus? You and your mom?
Very polarizing player. Some.people have him as a potential all star some as a bust. The “consensus” is mixed.
Yup… agreed. ESPN and 538 (iirc) analytics support this conclusion too.
I see him becoming Matthew Dellavedova, which is good, but I think they probably left better players on the table.
lol, so there is no “consensus”
Pluto piece on Sexton:
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2018/06/cavaliers_hope_drafting_collin.html
Had 4.0 GPA taking business courses. Won McDonald’s 2017 Slam Dunk contest.
Smart. Athletic. Productive. Competitive. Hard working. Clutch. Does not ever quit. That kind of guy can play on my team any day.
It’s encouraging that he took his classes seriously because half the battle toward becoming a high-level PG in the NBA is studying. Like, if you don’t have your head in a playbook/scouting report and aren’t watching film all the time, then you might as well forget about it. Especially for an undersized guard on defense, you’ve got to be willing to study your opponents tendencies and be able to internalize them and use it against them in a game situation, and learn your defensive rotations to put yourself in the right place at the right time consistently.
Agree with this…
A lot about him to like as a person, but of course he needs to be able to play. I’m looking forward to seeing him on the court.
ainge may have “struck gold ” again with Robert Williams falling into his lap —GEEEZ ——a lot of speculation around ALL draftees ——won’t know until this year / 3 yrs from now who made the correct choices ——way back ( those who were around ) were shaking their heads when the cavs picked- ( future all star )- kevin Johnson —who Avery compares Sexton to ———–we shall see …………………………the next 10 days will be really what will determine the cavs future ——stay tuned !!
And, if you are gonna write a buzz kill piece, you should have to say who YOU would have picked.
Fair Jason. I’d have preferred Mikel Bridges, or even Smith and the 2021 pick knowing that it could either be used as trade bait for a star to give LeBron or to have an awful team next year with a young Smith and tank properly. Though Sexton isn’t likely to lead to so many more victories than Smith would if LeBron goes.
Look, all Ben’s concerns are valid, but I like the pick for three reasons:
1) Best available guy at the time & the only real playmaking/ball handler left. And we need that.
2) Leaves open the Kemba deal.
3) Culture change. We have way too many guys who are too chill too often. Bron, JR, TT (hopefully when healthy he gets ballin’ again), Love, Hill, Hood. We need guys who play hard all the time. Sexton, Nance, Cedi, Zizic, and for all his faults, Clarkson, all fit into that category. So does Korver.
Avery Bradley said he is the fastest player, with & without the ball, he has ever been around. A list that includes Tony Parker.
You mean Avery Johnson?
Clarkson shot 28% from 3 in his third year of college and averaged 3 less ppg in 6 more minutes a game. Sexton also had a 6.5 OBPM compared to 3.8 for Clarkson, again in a season where Clarkson was 2 years older.
RANDOM NUMBERS!
Would’ve rather had Trae Young, but I think Sexton is motivated and has the work ethic to get better. You have to remember probably 8/9 out of 10 busts are a result of lack of motivation and commitment and that most PG’s come into the league with the same knocks. Kemba Walker had almost exactly the same ones — e.g. decent distributor, but can he run an offense? can he develop a 3 pt shot? can he guard NBA-sized PGs? can he get his shot off against NBA length? — and he was/is even smaller, but he got 80-90% better… Read more »
who should the Cavs have drafted Ben?
Mikal Bridges or traded the pick like the Sixers did.
I disagree, I like Sexton a lot. He will be a solid player and have a decent career.
Nailed my feelings Ben. I agree with the DiVincenzo pick for Milwaukee… Desperately needed shooting and got it. Also loved what the Hawks did too. With the way the draft went, I think the pick should’ve been Mikal Bridges. Young going so early screwed up the Cavs chances at a PG .
the “young bull ” will be o.k. ——-still think Clarkson with proper coaching / mentoring from other players will adjust and be a solid player same with HOOD —-call me overly optimistic —time will tell
Clarkson and Hood don’t have the same physical gifts as Sexton, though, so I think he projects higher than either of them. They’re taller, but aren’t as strong or fast. And they definitely don’t have his “motor” or competitive streak.
Also, Limus Sweed was awesome, they just didn’t give him enough playing time to get his confidence up.
Jordan Clarkson 2.0. Terrible pick. But I’m sure this blog will blame Ty Lue
their games are not remotely similar but okay
FWIW, Clarkson was a late 2nd rounder, not a late lottery pick. Nobody at that time thought he had nearly as much upside as Sexton today.
Lue Truthers are so cute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsZPWsVNTqo
So you’d rather draft a guy that may never play in the NBA? Certainly not next year.