What About Love?
2018-07-09As the Cleveland Cavaliers move into their second Post-LeBron Era, there are a lot of questions swirling around the team. How good can Collin Sexton be? Will Cedi Osman take a larger role next season? Can (and will) the Cavs move off of the contracts of Tristan Thompson and JR Smith? The most common discussion taking place is whether or not the Cavaliers should tear down the roster for a full rebuild or try to continue to make the Eastern Conference playoffs. The answer to that, and really most of the important questions surrounding the franchise basically comes down to the most important question of all, what do the Cavaliers do with Kevin Love?
Most people who follow/cover the NBA seem to think that the obvious answer is for the Cavs to trade Love for draft picks and/or young players and rebuild from scratch. There are several reasons that this is a popular take. First off, what kind of team can the Cavaliers really build around Love? Likely one that plays roughly .500 basketball and is either the seventh or eighth seed in the Eastern Conference, and that may be the best-case scenario. Sure, the Cavs would make the playoffs, but would they really be relevant? This isn’t baseball, upsets rarely happen in the NBA playoffs, and barely making it to the postseason only to get rolled by the Boston Celtics or Philadelphia 76ers seems pretty pointless.
Then, there’s the matter of the Cavaliers’ 2019 first-round pick. The Cavaliers sent this pick to the Atlanta Hawks in 2017 for Kyle Korver, but it is top-10 protected. This means that the Cavaliers keep the pick if it falls among the top 10 picks in next summer’s draft. The pick is also top-10 protected in 2020, and then becomes two second-round picks if it has not conveyed by then. Since it’s highly unlikely that the Cavaliers will be title contenders during the next two seasons, it makes some sense to make sure they finish with one of the ten worst records in the NBA, and trading Love would certainly help them do that. This doesn’t mean that we need a repeat of the dumpster fire that was the 2010-2011 season, just that the Cavaliers should focus more on keep their pick than winning games.
There’s also the matter of the Cavaliers getting their books in order. The Cavs have been over the salary cap and paying the luxury tax for so many years that they have been penalized by the dreaded repeater tax. Basically, they’ve had to deal with even harsher financial penalties because they’ve been paying the tax for so many years. In fact, Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert has paid $130 million in luxury taxes alone over the past four seasons, just $1 million less than the 29 other teams in the NBA combined. While the Cavaliers are currently under next season’s tax line, the only way to make sure they are not hit with repeater penalties the next time they are in the luxury tax is to stay below the tax for two seasons in a row. That means that it is in the Cavs’ best interests not to add much salary over the next two seasons, which are also the two seasons in which they should be focused on keeping their pick. Trading Love would free up even more salary space, and the Cavaliers could have as much as $60 million in cap room next summer.
Then there is the issues of Love himself. There’s no doubt that Love is a terrific player, he’s a five time All-Star who can both rebound and space the floor at a high level. He’s an efficient scorer, underrated passer, and his teams always play better with him on the floor. He also turns 30 this September, has an extensive injury history, and will be a free agent next summer. During the epic roundtable that took place on 92.3 The Fan last week, Jason Lloyd stated several times that he was sure that Love would opt out and leave as a free agent next summer if he was still with the Cavaliers. Joe Vardon and Dave McMenamin pushed back on this a bit, there definitely wasn’t a strong belief that Love would stay. If that’s the case, the Cavaliers need to move him now while he is healthy, playing at a high level, and has a year left on his contract. This is undoubtedly the best time to get real value back in a Love trade.
Despite all of those facts, there is a strong case for keeping Love for both next season and beyond. Love really is a terrific player. In fact, the odds that the Cavaliers draft or trade for someone as good as Love are incredibly thin. Don’t believe me? Love is one of 32 All-Stars drafted since 2008. That’s just under three All-Stars per draft. Even if you were to add in likely future All-Stars Ben Simmons, Rudy Gobert, and Donovan Mitchell, that number goes to just over three All-Stars per draft. Even if one put Love near the bottom of that list (He isn’t. Love has undoubtedly had a better career than fellow All-Stars Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert, Goran Dragic, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague, and Andre Drummond.), he would rate as the equivalent of the third-best player in any draft. Considering what a crapshoot the draft is, it’s unlikely the Cavaliers ever truly get equal value in a Love trade. Love is also a player who’s game is based more on skill than athleticism, and even as he enters the declining stages of his career, he will likely remain a highly effective player.
Another reason that trading Love may be difficult is that there are few natural trade partners for the big man. The Oklahoma City Thunder make some sense. Love is close with Russell Westbrook, and the Thunder could use his shooting. But for a trade to work, the Cavs would likely have to take on Carmelo Anthony‘s contract and then buy Anthony out so that he could join a contender. Given that Anthony could very well join James in Los Angeles after a buyout, would the Cavaliers be willing to do this unless they received some high-level assets in return? Probably not, and it’s hard to see what the Thunder could offer the Cavaliers that would really interest them outside of a lightly protected first-round pick. Considering that Paul George and Westbrook will probably be with the Thunder for several more seasons, that pick would be unlikely to have much value anyways.
The Utah Jazz, Phoenix Suns, and Portland Trailblazers have all been mentioned as possible suitors for Love, but none of those teams seem to be natural matches in terms of either assets or matching salaries. A Love-Andrew Wiggins swap would make some sense for the Minnesota Timberwolves, but Wiggins simply hasn’t shown the progess to justify the max contract extension is about to begin for him. Taking on a bad contract just because the player is well-known would be a total disaster. If there isn’t a good trade for Love out there, then the Cavaliers shouldn’t trade him. He’s too good of a player to let go for nothing.
While Lloyd believes that Love is likely to leave after this season, there is one big reason to believe the Cavaliers can keep Love for several seasons to come… money. As the focal point of a team in the weakened Eastern Conference, there is a great chance that Love will put up excellent numbers and make his sixth All-Star appearance next season. When free agency begins next summer, he may not be the first choice for a lot of teams, but some team that misses out on the top tier free agents will likely throw big money at Love. Still, he’ll be 31 at the beginning of the 2019-2020 season, and the Cavaliers will have the ability to pay him more money than any other team. Given his injury history, it’s a solid bet that Love would at least consider re-signing with the Cavs to ensure his best financial future.
There’s also no guaranteed that a full-scale rebuild would work out for the Cavaliers. Multiple high draft picks don’t necessarily equal future success. For every Philadelphia 76ers or Oklahoma City Thunder, there are teams like the Sacramento Kings, Orlando Magic, Phoenix Suns, and (until recently) Minnesota Timberwolves who have gone six or more seasons without making the playoffs despite making a plethora of high draft picks. The Cavaliers looked like they were on that path before the return of LeBron James, and all of the losing during those years may be one of the reasons Gilbert is hesitant to go through a full rebuild again.
Meanwhile, teams like the Houston Rockets, Indiana Pacers, and Utah Jazz have been able to rebuild quickly on multiple occasions while never fully tearing down their teams. None of these teams play in glamour markets, proving that there is more than one way to rebuild a roster. A smart front office, great scouting and coaching, and organizational stability still matter more than anything outside of having a superstar when it comes to building a team. Whether the Cavaliers have all of those things is certainly up for debate.
Finally, there is the simple reality of running an entertainment business. Dan Gilbert wants to sell as many tickets to Cavalier games as possible. The better the team is, the easier that is to do. We can debate the pros and cons of tanking on this blog until the cows come home, but it doesn’t really matter to the casual fan. They want to see good basketball and watch their team win. They couldn’t care less about team rebuilds and five-year plans. Plus, the Cavs being a solid team without LeBron makes for a good story. Love would be the focal point of that team.
This isn’t just about the attendance at Quicken Loans Arena either. Gilbert also owns the JACK Casino downtown, and hopes that good business for Cavalier games will be good business for his casino as well. At the end of the day, the Cavs are a business with a goal of making money. The better the team, the more money they will make.
Despite many strong opinions, there is no black and white answer as to whether the Cleveland Cavaliers should try to be competitive next season or tear the team down and rebuild for the future. While logic seems to dictate a full-scale rebuild, there are plenty of equally valid points favoring building a competitive team for the immediate future. It seems that the Dan Gilbert, Koby Altman, and the rest of the Cavaliers’ front office are currently (at least in public) favoring the latter route, which likely means holding onto Kevin Love. Still, if the last four years have taught us anything, it’s that we never know what the future may hold.
Nice defense Preston… forces miss.
Another nice defensive possession.
Cedi misses open 3…. Preston good off. rebound, but couldn’t finish.
Brodzionsky can shoot.
Preston hesitating on another open 3…. thought he should’ve taken that.
It’s insane Cedi couldn’t get more minutes last season. I know that will be a controversial opinion here /s.
Cedi and Sexton absolutely balling out today… honorable mentions to Lee and Preston. Mathias good glue guy.
PRESTON GOOD HUSTLE!!! Gets the steal.
PRESTON SWEET J!!! Sexton didn’t force the drive smart play.
NICE HUSTLE PRESTON CEDI FINISH! CEDI TAKES THE BLOCK!
CEDI BLOCK! CEDI IN YOUR FACE J!!!!
Cedi feeling it!
SEXTON MIDRANGE MONEY!
MATHIAS GOOD DEFENSE!
Man sweet c cut by cedi and a great pass Sexton to get him a layup.
GREAT READ SEXTON! Accurate pass, CEDI WITH THE FINISH!!!
Oh…. Sexton blows easy layup… go off glass!!!
Use the damned backboard, Collin!
Cedi def. Got the green light.
Cedi misses in rhythm 3… good off. rebound Lee.
Cedi way off target pass Lee was wide open…. wanted to go no-look to keep the defender occupied.
Whoa! Cedi passes to the nine foot man.
Sexton good drop off pass to Lee… Lee can’t finish. BAD CALL REFS… Holiday doesn’t get called for push off.
Cedi bad 3 off the dribble doesn’t draw iron.
CEDI RIDICULOUS FINISH! GREAT DRIVE!!!
Wow sweet spin and finish by Osman.
Bad TO Cedi. Holiday 3 in Sexton’s face. Sexton bad shot…. getting caught up in Holiday duel. Mathias misses 3.
SEXTON OFF THE DRIBBLE 3!!! END OF SHOT CLOCK!
Holiday responses in kind.
Mathias starting 3rd quarter….. good decision by Posey… there was more space on the Sexton drive.
SEXTON DRIVE AND 1!!! SPEED KILLS!
Sexton playing his best overall ball right now…. looking more like a PG.
CEDI IN YOUR FACE THREE!! END OF CLOCK!
SEXTON TO CEDI!!!! GREAT PASS AND FINISH! Sexton outplaying Holiday.
Sexton great PG read….. directs the ball to the post for the mismatch. High level play. SExton misses mid range J, looked like he got fouled.
Cavs getting called for two weak fouls… good defense by Cedi and Lee IMO
Cedi looks great handling ball on the break
SEXTON LONG RANGE J… IN RHYTHM SWISH!
CEDI one man fast break.. beautiful take, blows the easy layup…. that’s pretty rare for him.
Sexton with a quick drive draws the foul!
Bad decision Cedi… should’ve passed it out… SEXTON MIDRANGE PULL UP MONEY!
This is a welcome to NBA defense game for Sexton (Pacers are getting AFTER it). Hopefully the coaches can show him what’s going wrong and he can bounce back in the second half.
Sexton gets stripped on the drive, but dives on the floor and calls the TO! Great hustle to make up for a bad play!
CEDI GREAT PASS TO LEE!!! LEE FINISH!!! PnR to perfectioN!
Sexton great drive.. can’t finish on length… made the shot more difficult than it was.
Preston hesitates on wide open 3…. Sexton read the play correctly there. CEDI TO PRESTON FASTBREAK AND 1!!!
Great drive Mathias and kick out!!! Leads to a made wide open 3!
Preston doing too much on that play… doesn’t see the double coming on the post up.
Thought he was TMac for a second…
lol
Mathias good idea, a little off target with the pass… doesn’t matter, GREAT DRIVE PRESTON! Preston looks night and day different!
I would have a little more faith in Preston if he would just put a little effort into challenging shots.
MATHIAS!!! OFF THE DRIBBLE THREE AT THE END OF THE CLOCK!
PRESTON! Great drive!!!
Yikes airball Sexton… nice strong rebound and take by Preston, draws the foul.
Looked like he was caught in between a lob and a shot
I think he just lost the ball on the way up to shoot…. the shot was the play there IMO.
Maybe you’re right, I didn’t see the roll man there.
Sexton sloppy handle and bad decision at the top of the key…. TO and leads to easy basket.
Mathias in early… nice adjustment by Posey. Also Preston in early.
CEDI AND 1!!! NICE DRIVE! PHYSICAL FINISH!
Sexton with a LeBron 3… not the best play.
Sexton with the fantastic pass to Lee for a slam! Great read out of PnR.
Cedi looking good…. nice layup, nice dime to Lee for the slam! Cedi needs to be stronger with the ball… he’s running point, and has looked shaky twice.
Sexton looking good… several nice passes, one amazing finish! Had one errant pass, one bad defense sequence, one shaky play out the PnR.
Sexton/Cedi backcourt could be really fun this season. Cedi has shown some next level passing in spurts these 2 games. Really like how Sexton is able to push the pace while maintaining a tight handle.
Having real nba players to pass to will help Sexton a lot.
Sign me up at a reasonable price.
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Pluto saying Cavs are shopping Korver. Not a surprise, but would miss him. He’s not going to be as much of a weapon with no Lebron.
He’d be deadly on the dubs.
I’d trade him for damian Jones. He’d be great on a lot of teams. Could use him to Bring Delly home.
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Would you trade him for McCaw or Quinn ?
You spelled damian Jones wrong.
ahahahaha
lol… nice one Nate. He’s trolling if he thinks McCaw or Quinn are worth giving them Korver.
Must get boring being a Warriors fan when you are not just expected but guaranteed to win a championship.
Lost to Cavs, got KD. Almost lost to Rockets and struggled in reg season, so looking forward to how warriors integrate new players, growth of young players and Cousins. Lot to look forward to. Three peat or 4 in 5 years is so difficult that it has been so rare. We, dubs fans know this is once in a lifetime kind of run after decades of sucking so bad, so we are enjoying every minute.
I’d personally trade him for McCaw.
Think makes sense for both teams.
If he went to the Dubs, he’d get a ring…yeah, he’d be stupid on that team…
Also Philly.
Love needs to be traded asap for young talent/picks. Absolutely no need to win a few more games with him.
I wouldn’t say ASAP, i think he will be a great locker room presence for the young guys. But we should gut the roster by trade deadline. I would like Kevin to be happy. If he wants to compete, let him show is potential in first half of season and get young talent to replace. Same goes with Kyle Korver. A half season of good culture at the very least will start the young guys on a good path. Once the losing begins, they need to have resilience to continue to compete and put the hours in the gym.
People here seem to misremember summer 2010 thru summer 2014. High water mark was 33 wins even getting #1 pick 2x. I wonder if Kyrie already thought the Earth was flat when he told Lebron after a Miami game, “nah we got this”.
Those #1 picks were the only reason LeBron James came back to Cleveland and won us a ring. Had we not had the young talent we did, and didn’t win the lottery the year Wiggins came out, there is a good chance LeBron doesn’t come home.
No kidding. Keep up the reality therapy.
Wait Raoul you still think he would have come back without both Kyrie and the Wiggins pick? I am very doubtful. He was still chasing championships at that point.
What is Love? Koby don’t hurt me, don’t hurt me, no more.
Nice ;)
I’m 90% sure that’s Macguyver on far right.
I’m trying to envision Kevin Love sportin’ a mullet. It’s difficult.
another issue is——-IS KLOVE GOING TO PUT UP HUGE NUMBERS AGAIN / LIKE HIS TIMBERWOLVES DAYS —OR IS HE / HIS GAME GOING TO BE MORE “MICRO-SCOPED ” BY G.M.’S LOOKING FOR FLAWS/ AND LOWERING HIS VALUE
tally agree with what nate said —-am a huge klove fan–but all signals point to– it is probably time to make a trade / get some value in return ——as long as we are starting a ‘ new era ” in cavs history ( and yes we are at that point )—might as well clean house / start fresh / GET YOUNG / FREE UP SOME MONEY
Listen, I love Kevin, one of my top Cavs ever. But if I’m the Cavs, I’m talking to the Kings about a trade right now. I get it. Altman has to project his value and not give him away. But when the free agency dust settles, teams are still going to be looking for upgrades. If Kevin Love won’t give you an extension or a strong sense he’s re-signing, you have to trade him. You can’t let him walk for nothing.
You can’t let him walk for nothing, and I think the biggest mistake we could make would be winning 10 more games than we otherwise would next year because Kevin Love is playing like an All-Star. We need to tank while developing our young players. As much as it sucks to say it, the only way we become an elite team again is by drafting star players. We won’t be able to sign any. In the NBA, the best odds of drafting star players is by being at the top of the draft. As much as people slammed Hinkle for… Read more »
Conversely, the Rockets and Spurs (not counting Duncan) never tanked and both ended up with elite players (Kawhi and Harden). I’m not of the opinion that tanking is the end-all be-all of team building. But I do know that you can’t ride one year contracts and then let the guys walk for nothing. You’re just wasting a year if you do that.
Eh, I know there are always exceptions, but the Rockets were the beneficiaries of OKC not wanting to pay the luxury tax and Kawhi is the exception to the high draft pick rule. There are so so so many teams that sit in mediocrity, never having a chance to actually win a ring, because they aren’t bad enough to draft high.
I agree, though Mike makes a good case for both sides. However, but I am still of the opinion the cavs shouldn’t risk it and should trade him to ensure getting something in case he leaves. Obviously they should talk with him to feel out how he is leaning first. Also, the cavs don’t have a history in this ownership of finding stars/really good players (Tony Parker, Manu, Kawhi, Capela) later in the draft, e.g. those teams mentioned in your comment below. They do ok when they get higher picks. I think they need a can’t miss, meaning basically a… Read more »
Altman seemed adamant they would keep Love and try to compete in interviews. Could be GM blather but he didn’t seem to waver on his responses. I’d love to see what they can do to compete over the next couple of seasons. Smith, Hill, and TT are interesting contracts next season and could be moved for picks/ youth.
Could be talking up his value.
There’s so many teams that Live would be a great fit on as a second or third star. I’d kind of feel bad for him if he stayed. He came to Cleveland to compete for titles, not to be part of a rebuild.
But….he got one! And….he stayed! After many narratives of him not fitting in, not putting in, was he really ill….he has stayed while Kyrie & LBJ have bailed. He has the opportunity to cash in on being the faithful one. If he stays for this next season, plays well, helps the younger players develop, it’s good for the Cavs & it’s good for him & his impending free agency. The one thing that concerns me though – is he prepared to again be his team’s #1 player and all that it demands? I don’t know it, but I think he… Read more »
We know he doesn’t like being the center of attention, but he might be down with being the power forward of attention.
Nicely done.
The Cavs will have a number of young players that need development this season. Cedi, Sexton, Nance, Zizic, and to some extent Hood will all need lots of minutes to reach their potential. This will in all likelihood lead to lots of losing regardless of intent. I think keeping Love will actually help with developing the young talent, simply by offering a model of comparative and steadying competence. If Love puts up huge numbers and his market value sees an attendant increase, I would think the Cavs have to think about moving him. But I don’t think I have the… Read more »