Live Thread/Diatribe: Cavs vs. Nets (#NoDefense)
2018-10-24As the old idiom goes… “a picture is worth a thousand words.” There aren’t many pictures of Mike Longabardi one can find on the internet… but this one speaks the loudest, intentionally or not. This isn’t a new image to most of you, since I’ve used it countless times thus far in this season’s first three games. It’s been elevated to headline status because I’ve already wasted at least a thousand words on the Cavaliers’ assistant coach and purported “defensive guru” (well, at least that’s how Ty Lue thinks of him), and I’d prefer not to waste many more. There should never be anywhere near this amount of words written about an assistant coach for an NBA team… because they should either be able to do their job, or relieved of said job in short order. Yet, here we are…
So, EG… why the diatribe to kick off a live thread? Simply put, nothing matters for this team until the defense returns to even a marginally acceptable level (i.e. not giving up 133 points to the Atlanta Hawks). But EG, are you sure you’re not just scapegoating Longabardi here? Possibly, since it’s just as much Ty Lue’s fault for both bringing Mike into the fold initially, and entrusting the defensive schemes to him. It’s no secret how putrid the Cavalier defense has been on Longabardi’s watch. Literally, the best highlight you can ascribe to him is that the Cavs were one of the worst defensive teams ever to win a championship in 2016.
Last year was a debacle on that side of the floor, with a perimeter defense that resembled a rusty sieve coupled with a soft underbelly inside that produced a lay up line for the opposition most nights. An overriding excuse many chose to digest, was that LeBron James wasn’t particularly fond of closing out, giving much effort or playing anything other than casual free safety during the regular season. And, that this top-down mentality affected all of the King’s men, resulting in an unconscionable 29th ranking on defense by allowing nearly 110 points per game.
This year, with no LeExcuses to fall back on… the wine & gold are hemorrhaging 126.7 points per game through three contests. It might be worse if LeBron had stayed, since his Lakers are one of only two teams giving up more points per game (the Kings are the other at 129.5) at an astounding 132.o clip. Granted, that number is inflated given the OT loss to the Spurs where they surrendered an All Star Game like 143 points. The problem the Cavaliers face, however, is that unlike the Lakers and Kings, they aren’t scoring 122+ points per game. Yet, even in this wacky new NBA landscape, which has been superheated offensively with the change to the 14 second reset shot clock and the growing run and gun mentality, 112.7 points per game (Cavs current average) should be enough to offset even a mediocre defensive strategy.
Isn’t this an overreaction to a three game sample size, EG? Yes and no… I’m usually the last person to jump to conclusions, and it’s certainly possible that the Cavalier coaches can right the ship a little, and bail enough water from this leaky D to level things off to a respectable level and win a few games. However, it’s impossible to ignore how rapidly this vessel is sinking into the depths. I’m generally not a fan of switchy defenses, though I understand their necessity in the modern game. Yet, they tend to be more effective when the players being asked to execute this scheme have actually played together enough to trust it. It’s probably not the ideal strategy to implement with a collective of young players on a learning curve mixed with aging vets who’ve lost a step. But, that’s not stopping Longabardi and Lue from blindly sticking to the script, as if they still had the ultimate mistake eraser on the other end of the floor.
How did we get stuck with Mike Longabardi in the first place you might ask? The guy who was referred to as “Mr. Defense” during his playing days at Newberry College in South Carolina, got his first job in the NBA under Jeff Van Gundy in 2003 as a video coordinator for the Rockets (so, one more thing to blame JVG for). He wound up as an assistant coach in 2007 with the Celtics for both Doc Rivers and Tom Thibodeau and won a championship with them. Things started to go downhill though, after he was named Boston’s defensive coordinator in 2009. He joined Jeff Hornacek in 2013 with the Phoenix Suns, and helped turn the team around (from 25-57 to 48-34) that season. However, he was fired halfway through the 2015-16 season when the Suns were just 12-20 after surrendering 111 points to a one win Sixers team that was actively tanking.
Enter Ty Lue and the Cavs. Less than a week after Lue was promoted to replace a fired David Blatt, they scooped up the unemployed Longabardi to be Lue’s successor as defensive coordinator. Lue clearly had a lot of say in this, as the two had been assistants together on the Celtics. Mind you, the Cavaliers had been one of the best defensive teams in the League to that point in the ’15-16 season, ranking sixth overall in adjusted defensive rating… despite the blowout loss to the Golden State Warriors that got Blatt dismissed. That year, they finished the season allowing 98.3 ppg. The next year, it ballooned to 107.2… and then, finally, to 109.9 last season.
Is Mike Longabardi the entire problem? No… but it’s not like the Cavs defense could get any worse at this point. It’s clear he’s no longer effective, assuming he ever was, as a defensive coordinator. It’s unclear as to why he continues to be employed by the Cavaliers. If the owner and front office are legitimately not attempting to tank the season, then they should rectify this situation immediately. If they secretly are intentionally heading for the bottom… then by all means let Longabardi (and Lue for that matter) go down with the ship.
Okay, I guess I did the opposite of what I intended… because that was just 1,000 words on Mike Longabardi. The picture is still effective though.
Now, about tonight’s game…
The Cavs look for their first win of the season, and to avoid starting 0-4 for the first time since the ’03-04 season when they lost their first five. Though they showed some fight and determination in their first two games, they’ll need to bounce back from a forgettable effort against the Atlanta Hawks. Most expected the offense to be a work in progress, yet the defense (as noted ad nauseam above) has weighed in at a shocking 122.4 rating through three games.
Kevin Love, Cedi Osman and Collin Sexton will look to have better shooting games, and hopefully Tyronn Lue can start to settle into some recognizable rotations that make some semblance of sense. He definitively needs to at least figure out the second quarter, where the Cavs have been outscored 111-72 thus far this season, allowing opponents to shoot 52% in those frames, while his squad averages just 40%. If you’re looking for positives… Love is currently third in the NBA in rebounding (14.7 per game) and Jordan Clarkson is currently fourth in bench scoring (17.7 ppg).
The Nets come in shooting 48% on the season, so they’re likely to try and follow the game plan against the Cavs and alternately bomb away from deep or run them off the floor in transition. They have Caris LeVert averaging 24.7 points on 65% shooting, and they get Rondae Hollis-Jefferson back tonight for his first game of the season.
Probable starting lineups:
Cavs: Cedi Osman, Kevin Love, Tristan Thompson, Rodney Hood, George Hill
Nets: Joe Harris, Jared Dudley, Jarrett Allen, Caris LeVert, D’Angelo Russell
Prediction: Unless Mike Longabardi gets fired between now and the start of tonight’s game, the Cavs will once again have no defense against a team that can get up and down the floor and shoot the three decently… Nets take it 117-111.
Catch all the action from the Q at 7pm EST on Fox Sports Ohio. And, as always, chime in below… and try not to waste too many words on Longabari like I just did…
God, the Hawks look like straight trash tonight…
Cedi a flash… but he shoulda passed that time…
I feel like Pop would win 45 games with this Cavs team…
I agree lmao
Any chance Lue’s insomnia comes back? Probably sleeping like a baby these days. I’d love to see Larry Drew back in charge.
I guess Dekker and ZZ are out of the rotation. Lue is a dumpster fire of a coach.
He’s horrible.
Fine with Dekker being out… but not ZZ…
that makes him 1 for 2 at least lol
well…TT taketh but sometimes giveth. just quit passing it to him in the lane when he isn’t wide open
freaking Joe Harris is gonna shred us again? dag nab it.
You knew it was coming…
Great O board by TT and Love nails the corner three!
Why didn’t Harris hit 3s like that for us?
Because he wasn’t playing against as poor a perimeter as this…
was that a play of some sort?!
Why would you leave Joe open?
We have a lead!!!!
Nice two man game from TT and KLove…
Scintillating hoops…
Anyone who passes to TT should be benched!
TT stinks!
Yup.
Nice runout…
Ty Lue… father of NBA line shifts…
JUST SAW THAT ALSO– (T YOUNG 0-5 )—DOESN’T TAKE TOO MUCH TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT
Did Clarkson get the new Sherwin Williams billboard tattooed on his neck?
It’s like he finally got approval from his Mom to get a tattoo. Looks awful. Just like his play.
Thanks for the bail out foul Joe…
Wonder if the new neck tats are keeping Clarkson’s head up…
Trae Young not looking so great tonight…wonder why…
Dekker hasn’t played so I guess that’s an improvement
TY CAN YOU SAY / SEE —ANTE—WTF !!——-WAY TO BUILD THE KIDS CONFIDENCE
Did Nance just shoot a 3???
here come the threes…goodness.
There shouldn’t be a minute without either Cedi or Love on the floor.
And… here come the threes…
Smokin Joe now sporting the full beard…
Nice move, Collin!
LNJ with some awesome rule of verticality!
Sexton in a flash to the basket!!!
Young Bull!
STEAL-ZUS!
Even KK is shooting twos…
It’s contagious!
Good hustle by Sexton…
Lue is out of his mind.
I wish he was. He is distinctly in his mind, and it’s showing on the court.
Well… Nets only shooting 37%, and at least some of that is due to Cavs trying harder and being smarter on defense… but 26% shooting for home team isn’t going to get it done…
We might not win a game this year.
haha i actually had someone try and bet me the browns would win more games than the cavs this year
I also have Hawks-Mavs on, you may be right…Mavs look like they have more talent to me…
They definitely do.. And they should beat Atl tonight.
Did Clarkson get new neck ink? Or is he a fan of 21 Pilots?
This is a refreshing change from all the scoring in the NBA till now…/s
Nice one 😁
Zero plays using Korver on purpose yet.
D is a little better tonight so of course the O going in the crapper.
But the defense does seem a little better… more hustle… less useless switching…
6-24 now…
Clarkson, Sexton, JR, LNJ and Kyle… not too sure about this lineup…
I’m sure it isn’t a winning combination.
I like it… Small ball with two shooters.
will this be the first game both teams score under 90?
No team we play this year will score under90.
JR playing the backup 4 tonight… wow
Tristan is useless.
Glad to see KK. We need some Zz.
Docic torching the Hawks…
Yup… Floaters galore
These rotations don’t make any sense. Who’s available to replace Lue?
Jason Kidd is available…
Ed Davis = a better Tristan Thompson
No arguing that now…
Is Love the best pump fake into a shooting foul big in the League?
Korver sighting…
6-20… brutal…
Has Hood ever seen a wide open three he liked?!
Better to drive in and miss…
LoL
Still pretty ugly… D hasn’t been as bad yet…
Docic’s step back three is sweet…
I’d much rather have Zizic in instead of TT. ZZ makes all the buckets around the rim that TT misses.
Hood just isn’t good enough. I’d rather see his minutes go to Korver.
He is a solid 4th option when a play breaks down. Unfortunately he is good enough for the current team
‘He can get his own shot’…and miss it most of the time…
Jared freaking dudley is still in the league?!
And holy Paul Blart…who the crap is Caris Levert?!?
He’s their best player…expect him to get 25, and be happy if it’s less…
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say Cavs win this one in a tight one, with Kevin Love hitting 5-8 from 3 and going for 30+ and Cedi tallying double digit assists. Gonna flip EG’s prediction. Cavs win 117-111.
Hoping for a big bounce back for Cedi. How about a 30 point triple double!
THIS MIGHT BE THE WRONG APPROACH——BUT ALMOST —I REPEAT “ALMOST “—HOPE THE NETS WOULD LAY DOWN 130+ PTS ON THE CAVS TONIGHT ——IF SO I AM HOPING THAT WOULD PUT INTO MOTION THE LONG OVER DUE TERMINATION OF LONG-IN -BARF AND YEAH THROW CLUELESSS IN THERE TOO—–IF WE ARE TO DEVELOP THE YOUNG PLAYERS—GET A COACH AND STAFF THAT IS CAPABLE / BEST SUITED FOR THAT JOB!!!
I haven’t seen the Nets play this year, but they torched the Cavs from three last year every time they played them. I expect nothing different.
Nice rant EG. Longo needs to be gonego! (Wow that was cheezzzy) I hope Lue realizes his job is on the line (or it should be) and him losing the first 11 games of the season (what I have it as if nothing changes – facing the Bulls on 11/10) is grounds for any coach to be fired. As posted on the previous thread, Lue playing the young kids over the vets to get them minutes is irritatingly stupid, but expected. I have been calling him cLueless for over two seasons and losing the best player on the league wasn’t… Read more »
EVIL —THAT WAS A MASTERPIECE—( BUT YOU DO HAVE TO QUIT TALKING TO YOURSELF—-ALTHOUGH CAVS RECENT PLAY WILL INFLUENCE YOU TO DO SO )—–WOW FROM 98 PTS / GAME TO 122 PTS / GAME —–YIKES !!!!!——–THINK THE PLAYERS HAVE TUNED HIM OUT –(AS WE HAVE )—HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN HIM –( AS WE DON’T )——-TIME TO “SEVERE THE CORD “!!!—————HOPING AT LEAST ONE OF THE CAVS IS –“STROKING THE NOODLE ” TONIGHT —-SORRY EVIL HAD TO GET THAT IN THERE —-GO CAVS !!——AND YES TY PLEASE PLAY “ZZ” MORE THAN 3 GARBAGE MIN’S
Why you guys think a team with no above average and hardly any average defenders are going to be a top 20 defense is beyond me.
Maybe stick to sending NBA players your highly regarded tips in emails.
Yawn
Who says top twenty? How about not the worst d in the league. You basically have to tank as a team to be that bad. We haven’t been a top twenty d in years. We make more execution mistakes than any team I have ever watched. The players don’t seem to know the damn scheme. That is on coaching and game prep. Would be nice if the coaches actually seemed to prep the players for once. Would be nice if the scheme actually fit the personnel we have instead of trying to fit the personnel to a scheme. Would be… Read more »
I think we should all stop commenting on this guy’s posts. He’s here just to regurgitate his nonsense.
Exactly. Trolls need your energy. As soon you see “anonymous” skip to the next comment. If he farts in the wind and no one hears it, does it make a sound? BTW, I used to do this with COLS–(RIP)
Put a name on it or keep it to yourself. Actually just keep it to yourself, no one here needs your vitriol.
Why you continue to Anonymously post your childish snipes on this site is beyond me…
Also, why any coaching staff with average to below average defenders wouldn’t change their scheme from switch-everything to a scheme that sheds a less glaring light on their players’ weaknesses, and doesn’t require them to be terrific man to man defenders is beyond me…
Maybe stick to other sites that enjoy your boring vitriol…
Longabardi played College ball? Doesn’t he look up to Mugsy Bogues?
Yes, we will allow EG an opening rant.
If Lue sees Longo as such a defensive guru, why exactly is it that Lue himself takes over the defensive schemes in the playoffs every year? What exactly is Longo doing? Cavs don’t have a lot of high end defenders, but that has nothing to do with them looking disorganized and completely lost on a nightly basis for years.
I don’t expect them to beat the Nets, but if they play vets more I suppose they have a better chance. I expect Smokin’ Joe to have a memorable night from three…