From Distance: Battle of the MVPs
2019-05-24four point play….
1. I am rather thrilled that Kawhi Leonard’s apparent knee injury isn’t serious enough to have greatly affected his play. It was clear to me when he injured the leg, though somehow that has escaped the National Media. Very early in Game 3, Leonard had a breakaway dunk that turned finger roll when he blew a tire. The announcers didn’t catch that he immediately started limping after this play, pointing to another later landing. I don’t know what happened exactly, but I do know that it happened this early in the Game 3.
I was worried that would would turn an otherwise fantastic series into a facsimile of what it could have been. Instead, Leonard toughed out the rest of Game 3, got a lot of help in Game 4, and was back to being a destroyer of worlds in Game 5.
2. I have had the Raptors coming out of the East since last September. After they picked up Marc Gasol, my enthusiasm only grew. With Gasol, Siakam, Leonard, Green, and Lowry, you have an All-NBA level defensive squad with plenty of offensive punch.
My one fear for the pick came in the way of the best Milwaukee deer, Giannis Antetekounmpo. Giannis made his freaky leap, and there was no telling where exactly he would land. If the voters got it right, it will at least be the regular season MVP.
Still, against an amazingly intelligent set of defenders, I gingerly picked the Raptors to take out the Bucks and advance to the NBA Finals. Two games in, I was seriously doubting the wisdom of my pick, but after three consecutive victories, the Raptors have regained my confidence.
3. While most people would claim that Leonard has simply outplayed Giannis over the course of the series, I would point to Nick Nurse vs Mike Budenholzer as the more damaging loss from the Bucks’ perspective.
Coach Bud has been put into a bit of rough situation with Eric Bledsoe. After Bled seemingly turned the corner this season, he has fallen hard back to his baseline over the course of the last two rounds. Bledsoe is a fearsome defender, but offensively, he is a below average decision maker, a mediocre streak shooter, and a mentally weak big game performer.
While I applaud Coach Bud’s ability to maintain confidence in his players, his reluctance to bench Bledsoe may have already cost the Bucks a trip to the Finals.
Coach Bud has also stuck with a rather stagnant offensive attack against a Raptors’ defense that is essentially playing a match-up 3-2 zone. They flow in and out of the defensive scheme with an accuracy that only five defensive masters could regularly employ.
Any time Giannis has the ball at the top of the floor, the Raptors immediately slide into their 3-2 look (or 1-2-2 depending on the other non Giannis players), making it nearly impossible for Antetekounmpo to get freaky.
The only way to combat this defensive style is to either make all the open looks that the Raptors want you to take, (hard and barely doable) or to play PnR against the head of the Zone and screen off-ball (less difficult, but hard to immediately employ).
Basically, there is no way that the Raptors should be able to continually bottle up The Freak if the Bucks start screening with Brogdon in tandem with off-ball pindowns to shake the defense. They need to play more like the Nuggets do on the weakside of the floor.
This is why it is so damning to play Eric Bledsoe. He doesn’t randomly screen well. Some guards really understand how to set random screens on or off ball. Mathew Dellavedova wouldn’t have a career if he weren’t supremely good at that skill. Kyle Lowry’s advance stats wouldn’t point to him being an All-NBA level contributor if he didn’t constantly move and screen without nary a stop.
Bledsoe is terrible at this, while George Hill and Malcolm Brogdon both excel. If you want to make stylistic changes in order to beat a defense that has your number, you have to play guys who have the mental bandwidth to adjust on the fly.
Bled is owed a lot of money going forward. When he is hitting his shots, he can look like a great player. But if the Bucks want to get to the Finals, Coach Bud is going to have to make the hard to decision to sit him in favor of guys like Pat Connaughton and increased minutes for Hill and Mirotic.
I understand that Mirotic hasn’t been hitting his shots, but at least he understands how to move off-ball if Coach Bud gives him the green light. Four immobile Bucks watching Giannis take on a triple team isn’t going to get it done.
4. Out West, the Warriors did what everyone should have expected them to do against an inferior Blazers team. As much as I have come around on Damian Lillard (I used to think he was the most overrated player in the league and a net loss because of his defensive ineptitude. Now I recognize his value as a leader, and his defense has greatly improved.), I still didn’t think Portland had a shot to win more than one game.
Like I have said previously, the Warriors’ floor is higher without Durant, but their ceiling is lower without him as well. The change in style allows them greater heights, but can make them bored and uninspired in certain situations.
Without Durant, the Warriors are still at the mercy of a giant wing scorer like LeBron, Kawhi, or Giannis. It is too easy to hunt Steph Curry’s undersized defense in mismatches without Durant in the lineup. Obviously, the Blazers mini backcourt had no chance of taking advantage of the Warriors’ primary sans-Durant weakness.
In the Finals, however, if Durant is not healthy, the Warriors are going to be in serious trouble. Both Giannis and Leonard would feast on Curry in force switch situations. If the Bucks end up in the Finals, it will be because they figured out how to beat the zoned up look.
If the Raptors advance, the Warriors will face the smartest collection of defenders that they have ever faced. Yes, the Cavs occasionally followed the gameplan for extended stretches allowing LeBron’s physical dominance to wear on the smaller Dubs, but even at the Cavs’ peak, they were nowhere near this Raptors team in intellect.
That is why I am so happy to see Leonard’s apparent health. I want whoever it is that comes out of the East to be healthy and ready to beat the Warriors. I like both East teams. Spoiler, I don’t like the Warriors, especially if Durant is playing.
Which brings me to Durant. I am not professional athlete so I have never been afforded the physical therapy and genetic gifts that Kevin Durant has. I do know this. The first injury that really sidelined me was a calf strain.
Now, maybe the term “mild” was only tossed in for Durant to alleviate fear after the suspected achilles tear. Yes, the latter is obviously a far great injury and everyone should be happy that an all-time talent doesn’t have to go through that kind of rehab.
BUT, a mid to severe level calf strain is no joke. They linger, re-injure often if you come back even a bit too soon, and greatly affect a player’s leaping confidence. I would say most guys would prefer a quad or even a hamstring strain to a calf strain.
If you feel that pop, it is because a significant amount of muscle tissue has torn. Durant is huge and can still get off shots even at 70%, but unless he heals incredibly quickly, it is very unlikely that he will be totally healthy in mind and body for Game 1.
Honestly, I hope he is. I want the Warriors to have zero excuses if the East comes out on top.
Marv looks like geriatric Austin powers.
the 16-3 TOR burst in the 4th was the difference..
They’ve been doing it most of this series…
Bud’s insane pr defense scheme with Lopez was the difference. I counted 18 points just from that alone.
TOR should be able to add a decent free agent later this summer.. i hope kawhi signs with TOR
There’s no way the bucks win this.
agree.. i was not arguing MIL wins
i was referring to TOR getting better next year
Meant to post above
This freaking block charge replay again?
Clear block and was upheld…3 point game…
They put time on the clock too.
Visions of the Cavs getting effed in the finals.
Did you have to remind us? Complete screw job by the refs that Game 1.
kawhi is pushing his way into the pantheon
Reggie is the worst
MIl and giannis have time to get to their finals.. this is very special if TOR can prevail.. storybook
i wish i had bet on TOR winning 4 straight after going down 0-2…
Raptor D is ferocious…
Lol…Kawhi bounce on the three…again…
Wow.. POOR Gasol three rebounds
Wow, HUGE Gasol three…
Lopez is at least picking up a little higher.
Some dopey chick just photo bombed reggie
Raps with an energy lull. Wierd. Dubs in 3 no matter who wins.
Bucks weathered the storm. Gonna need someone besides Giannis to hit shots
What a game.
Lol. Lopez back in. This is oooover..
As Lopez gets an and1
Lowry cannot foul out of this…he’d be killing his team…
One of the worst playoff coaching performances I’ve ever seen. Just an absolute direlection of duty and epic choke by Bud and Co.
MIL has been leading with their chin..
I am genuinely shocked. Toronto deserves tons and tons of credit. Being down 15 twice and coming back like it was nothing. Amazing.
Woooow super play right there
16-3 in 4th Q.. 2x wow
Good god, that stuff on the break from Kawhi was Jordanesque…
Oooooooo that was sick
wow.. i was dead wrong about TOR.. very impessive.. honor is due (can u name the flick?)
Bucks are way too stagnant on offense
And goes without saying that Giannis needs to work on his FTs
They finally subbed Lopez. Jesus.
What a comeback for FVV…
How many times do the raps have to take advantage of Lopez dropping back 10 feet before the bucks change their defense?
Doing work with Kawhi on the bench…
lowry has been taking his anti-shrinkage meds on time
Bucks will need to show some composure here. Gonna be tough.
This series has been an incredible advertisement for the NBA…incredible competition…
78-78.. effing impressive
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1132472486166224896?s=19
I can’t believe the stubbornness of Bud. He is killing them all series on D. What a coaching choke.
So many mental mistakes by Milwaukee. It should have been game over by now. What was that last possession of the third? A Giannis 28 footer? Good god.
TOR reeling it back in.. not out of reach yet
Dumb foul by Bledsoe…
sadly.. this is getting, out of hand, if you are in TOR camp
Would you take Powell with Jr’s deal?
Maybe…the question is, what are the Cavs trying to do next year?
I don’t think either Milwaukee or Toronto can take more than two games from GS. Ughh,
That call against Lowry was pretty thin.
Bledsoe’s inside game is making a difference – gotta give him credit.
He’s really valuable when the opponent has a scoring PG, and when he doesn’t shoot too many threes…
Middleton’s prayer answered right there
God, I loathe the laughing woman iPhone commercial…
Leonard is going to get easier shots down the stretch than Giannis.. gonna come down to the wire
TOR stopped it from being a blow-out.. if they can tie early in the 3rd.. i think the bucks begin to fold
https://twitter.com/CavsTheTweets/status/1132461600793927680?s=19
Playoff Ty Lue thoroughly embarrased and eviscerated Playoff Bud.
Yup
If anyone wants to see that 2016 seties, I think I have all 4 games. I’m certain I have Game 1 and the amazing Game 2 with 25 threes from the Cavs.
I have a decent collection of some Cavs games on my computer. I even have a old school Cavs / Bulls game featuring a fist fight between Steve Kerr and Michael Jordan if anyone is interested….
Budenholzer is awful. Stcuk with Lopez fartoo long. Killing them.
I really want to believe that “fartoo” was not a typo but instead a new insult pronounced like “fart-oo” or perhaps “fart-too”.
Perhaps is a agressive and not so clean fart that leaves a “fart tattoo” on someone or something.
…sorry, apparently Im still 12 years old.
Van Vleet feeling it again…
Why is Lopez playing so. Much? He’s killing them on d.
Walk by vanvleet there.
Siakam can still improve a lot, but his spin move is one of the best in the NBA…
Joy to watch
Bledsoe killing them.
I can see that as an offensive foul for sure, but a typical Ilyasova flop…
Connaughton is really good.
Ultra cheap this year, too…
George Hill has just been nails these playoffs…I expect every shot of his to go in…
PER MIKEO’S POST —AMICO HOOPS SAYING THEY REALLY WANT CULVER————-JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE —-COULD IT BE THE CAVS SENDING ” SMOKE SIGNALS “——MAYBE THEY REALLY WANT HUNTER —HOPING LAKERS DO TAKE CULVER AND NOT HUNTER —–JUST POSSIBLE ” DRAFT GAMES ” BEING PLAYED
Great stuff, Ben, as always. I love the breakdown of Toronto’s match-up zone.
I was wondering if you had many takeaways from the Dubs Blazers series, specifically all the high double teams on Dame. I thought their defense was spectacular, but that Dame was also abysmal and took so many stupid hero ball shots. Instead of swinging and moving.
As for the the Bucks, I’m a little baffled they’ve buried Snell. It’d help throw another defender at Kawhi and make them more switch. Bury Bledsoe and play snell, hill and Mirotic more.
Dame didn’t find the short roller nearly enough. To be fair, unless Leonard was in, the short roll either couldn’t dive or pop making it easy to defend. Aminu for example isn’t a threat to do anything but short roll. In general, strength gives the Dubs trouble. Dame just isn’t strong enough to body through some traps like even Kyrie can. CJ is which is why they should have worked through him even more. Also why Turner was better than people thought he would be. The Dubs are going to hate playing this Raptors team. They are strong as hell… Read more »
Amico’s latest has the Cavs FO very much wanting Culver, even to the extent that they may have taken him 2nd if they had that pick. If this is true, main stumbling point is probably the Lakers pick (I certainly expect them to trade it), and who whatever team ends up with it likes at 4. Take it for what it’s worth, but Amico does have ins with the Cavs FO. Of course it could also be smoke blowing. He also adds: “The Cavs interviewed Culver last week, and according to sources, walked away feeling as if he would be… Read more »
Hope he’s gone.
You want them to take Clarke or Hunter presumably?
Clarke.
I don’t think they are taking Clarke at 5.
No. Probably not. He’ll go to Phoenix and end up being the second best player from this draft.
I sort of doubt it. Or if that happens it will take a very long time I think. I know you’re are skeptical of Morant for some reason, but the facts are born out by the video that he is a Westbrook type athlete that has good finishing ability, elite vision, elite handles, is a true point, an active rebounder for a guard, and who has a better jumpshot right now than Russ ever did. He didn’t have much around him. I won’t knock him for that. So what’s the issue with Westbrook? Russ isn’t a winner because he is… Read more »
I will say if he ended up on a team with an elite passing pg with a bunch of shooting around him, so not the Cavs because we don’t fit that description, he could probably wreck as a roller.
Key being if he has very good offensive pieces around him and those pieces fit with his limited skillset on offense he could be very impactful on offense on a great shooting team with a great passers. He would be fantastic on the warriors or Houston. Upgrade over capella probably. Capella is sort of useless now.
He can absolutely post. You don’t finish is well as he does without having post moves. Now he’s very skinny but he has a hook and underhand layup down, can turn and face with a short dribble game. Go up and under. His post game reminds me a ton of Cedric Ceballos: super quick. Hell be a monster inside of 15 feet.
Not sure about shooting 68% without much of a post game. Deandre Jordan used to do it all the time. He could score 7 fgs on almost all rolls, transition, o boards on that team. But that is besides the point. Clarke seems to me to score 90% of his points off rolls, being a finisher in transition, o boards, and occasional very short face up straight line drives or drives when the defense is out of position. He averaged 6.9/10.1. On the very rare occasions I have seen him create his own, I have seen him face. I haven’t… Read more »
Just tried to read an SI article on Curry and couldn’t make it through. Their writer (Michael Shapiro) is so bad at his job it validates my long ago cancellation. The article is about if Curry needs a Finals MVP or not. Starts with this premise: list with multiple MVPs, 3 titles, & Finals MVP is short: LeBron, Duncan, Jordan, Bird, Karrem, & Russell. Of course, Russell never won a Finals MVP as the award did not exist during his playing career save for the last season (1969, when Jerry West won in a losing effort). And he left off… Read more »
What is the author’s argument? He needs a Finals MVP for what? To be a HoFer? LOL…what would he possibly need a Finals MVP for?
I also predicted Toronto coming out of the East, early on.
Not over yet.
No, and it’s a fascinating battle. My enjoyment of this contest is tempered by the knowledge that the GSW juggernaut is cooling their heels while this goes on.
Yes, that is a bummer.
Agreed. It’s a shame that it casts a shadow over a great back and forth series.
Toronto has impressed me beyond words. I knew they were good defensively but I never thought they had enough offensively to seriously compete. Still: Why isn’t Giannis guarding Leonard at all? Why isn’t Milwaukee playing their own version of the death lineup with Giannis at the 5? If you decide to start switching why do you keep Brook Lopez in the game in the fourth just to be exploited time and time again? Why don’t you use Giannis more in the post or as a screener in the pick n roll? Where are your after timeout plays when you are… Read more »
Bud needs a veteran assistant who is good at adjustments. He is extremely good at coming up with systems that help to maximize his talent in the regular season, but when teams adjust to his standard systems, for whatever reason, he is slow to counter them. I don’t know whether it is stubbornness, inability to see counters quickly enough, or lack of creativity. Clearly he has a decent tactical mind when given an off-season. But that is the problem. He needs time. Though obviously the switching from I think late game 3 to now is a change in scheme. I… Read more »
Also I definitely agree they need to use Giannis more off ball initially or as Ben pointed out have more action offball coinciding with whatever the primary initiation with Giannis as the ballhandler is. I had thought they had a ton of off ball movement around the perimeter during the regular season. Maybe that wasn’t the case. But it seems as though a lot of this series is 4 guys standing around the perimeter after initial actions breakdown.
I agree completely. He is slow. Even when he adjusted by switching (by the way he started switching in the Boston series and has been using it on and off) he did it poorly by playing Lopez who can be targeted every possession. Mirotic can give you the same gravity on offense with better lateral movement on D. Coaching is the biggest weakness of the Bucks and I can’t imagine what unholy things Kerr will do to him if they finally advance to the finals.
Lopez has been much better than Mirotic offensively and can block some shots.
The solution is not to switch everything. Kawhi is not Curry.
They don’t switch everything but they did in the fourth quarter last game. Also, it is easy to say that Kawhi is not Curry but he definitely was Curry-esque last game and really all playoffs. Whenever a defender goes under a pick or can’t fight over a screen it is lights out.
Also to your point, what good is it if Lopez can block shots when he is defending 25 feet from the basket? My point was not that the solution is to switch everything but if you are going to do it, at least employ the right personnel.
Forbes does not like Reddish at 5. But thinks a trade with ATL (who have #8 & #10) could work. Cavs get #8 + #10/their 2020 first back.
Hawks like Culver, apparently.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/evandammarell/2019/05/24/if-cameron-reddish-is-on-the-cavaliers-draft-radar-they-should-not-pick-him-fifth-overall/#24c4c8c614d7
my first impression is.. do it.. we need bodies
I read that article earlier and the author appears to have been kinda lazy in his research. He suggests that Reddish just started to develop an outside shot as if 33% was an improvement on a new skill, rather than it being a rather poor showing last year from a player that shot WAY higher of a percentage from three in high school and was already known to be a good shooter. He also seems a bit overly confident that Reddish will still be there by the 8th pick. Maybe Reddish will be, but he doesn’t seem to even acknowledge… Read more »
Wow that author just really loves Culver and seems to enjoy using Culver to make a bunch wackey predictions.
Here is an older article where he talks as if Morant is definitely a tier BELOW Culver and draws a series of predictions that don’t really line up with logic, reality, or even the common perceptions of the upcoming draft in general:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/evandammarell/2019/05/08/if-kyrie-irving-were-to-join-the-nets-this-summer-it-could-impact-the-cavaliers-draft-plans/amp/
When it’s crunch time to write some articles, it seems Forbes is cool with this guy just making stuff up so weird.
SBNation does a good job doing what I did a bit ago, sussing out the haul on the Kyrie trade. They think Gilbert was right.
Oops, linky:
https://www.sbnation.com/2019/5/23/18636723/kyrie-irving-trade-cavaliers-celtics-free-agents-dan-gilbert
Amazing! If there was not a trade available that netted us Paul George or someone of that caliber, and I don’t think there was, this is as good as you could do given the situation. After years of trading first round picks for minimal help for Lebron, which was worth it since we won that title, Koby retooled quite nicely in a very short time. The bad thing is none of these assets are extremely valuable and teams are going to be more reluctant to trade their first round picks given the new flattened lottery odds. Still admirable job. Now… Read more »
I would add that the bucks-raptors series is not necessarily showing Bud to be a bad coach. I think he is top 10%. But, this is a series that is pretty evenly-matched with uneven moments. This is a really tough series to coach.
Agree that a calf strain is no joke. It’s a tear…saying ‘strain’ is kind of laughable.
You really think either of these teams can win more than 1 against even a Durant-less GS team?
I think either of them can beat GS in a series, although they are both underdogs for sure. If Durant is back and healthy, I doubt anyone can beat them.
For me that depends on defense. If you think either is a step above Houston defensively at their peak, which I think both are, then yes if Durant doesn’t play. I think both teams have the personnel to potentially seriously hamper Curry and Thompson from getting clean shots and at least Toronto is probably disiciplined enough to stay with them and recover to shooters. If GS role players have a great shooting series or Bucks/Raptors lose them off ball while bottling up Curry and Klay resulting in a ton of layups then GS probably has a gentleman’s sweep even without… Read more »
I think either Toronto or Milwaukee beats GSW without Durant. Both are better than Houston & Portland.
I’ll summarise all the other replies: yes.
Great piece, Ben. I agree with your conclusions. Bucks best 5 man lineups do not include Bledsoe.
Hope Kawhi can get healthy.
One thing, why doesn’t Milwaukee put Giannis on Leonard more? Especially crunch time?
With everything you said, if Giannis makes his FTs and Van Vleet hits six 3s instead of seven, Bucks still win.
This is a problem. Half court was predicted to possibly be an issue for the Bucks prior to the playoffs. Prior to game 4, Zach Lowe pointed out the dismal Bucks’s half-court scoring numbers in games 1-3. This has continued. https://mobile.twitter.com/YourManDevine/status/1131765987148275712 Unless Bud gets more creative in the half-court in freeing Giannis and giving him some room to operate near the bucket, or getting him the ball on the move with a head of steam towards a clearer lane, I do believe this series is over next game. That or the bucks need to be crazy hot from three. Raptors… Read more »
538’s article on bucks halfcourt issues. 96 pp/100 (awful number) after being forced to take the ball out, 114 pp/100 after d board (excellent number), and 132 pp/100 (incredible number) after turnovers. https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bucks-need-to-solve-their-half-court-offense-and-quickly/amp/ Maybe the most interesting part is how much Kawhi has hampered Giannis when guarding him, 29 points per 100 less efficient in that scenario. It appears that if the Raptors take care of the ball or either turn it over out of bounds/off foul, or score Bucks have serious issues with their set d. Seems to me in the first qtr they had a fair amount of… Read more »