The Randoms: Draft Week
2019-06-18Welcome to the NBA offseason, Cavs fans, where good decisions go to die. The next three weeks will mark the nadir of NBA intelligence as fans, teams, players, and, yes, writers make baffling choices, express thoughts they’ll almost immediately regret, and take actions that they’ll either celebrate (probably not) or rue (probably) for years to come. For every Giannis
Antetokounmpo that is drafted, some team will sign the next Nic Batum $120 million dollars.
The Lakers started off this festival with the biggest trade in NBA history in terms of future first round picks, by giving New Orleans the ability to control LA’s next seven first round drafts. Plus, the Lakers gave up two No. 2 overall picks in Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball. Neither of these guys are any great shakes, (especially Ball – who Griff will move by next February), but it was possibly the biggest haul ever for a guy who will be a free agent in 12 months. To top it all off Pelinka timed the trade in such a way as to cut himself out of close to $8 million in cap room and limit himself to just $24 million to spread around the Lakers’ remaining roster needs. Finally, somehow, he didn’t get Davis, a guy who desperately wanted to be traded, to agree to waive his $4 million dollar trade kicker. Yeesh.
Pelinka’s incompetence might actually end up helping the Lakers, though. Instead of chasing a third “Superstar” the Lakers will probably have to spread this money over 2-3 role players and help the Lakers fill out their desperately thin roster. This could serve them better long term than Bron, AD, Kuzma, and “insert third star here.” Part of me was a bit baffled with the obsession over Kemba Walker, a guy who is good off ball, but because of his size, isn’t great, and would – again – take the ball out of Bron’s hands.
Lots of people have mentioned Patrick Beverly as a possible replacement for the now impossible to sign Walker, and (injury history aside) it’s a good fit. But PBev has never gotten a big NBA payday and this is his chance. I fully expect him to chase the bag. Something tells me there’s no $10 million part in Space Jams 2 and 3 that could get him to LA-LA land. Regardless, this was a coup for David Griffin whose Pelicans teams will reap the rewards of Laker incompetence for years after LeBron’s two year window has closed.
Yep. Two years. LeBron is 34 now, and will be 35 in December. Only Kareem, Stockton, Duncan, and Malone have played elite level basketball past 35, though Jordan probably could have. But 37? I’m skeptical.
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As for the Cavs, there’s been lots of talk about trading down and also who they’ll pick at 5. I’ve made my opinions clear that Brandon Clarke is the second best player in the draft. Maybe I’ll get the chance to put my case in writing before Thursday’s draft, but in case I don’t, check out the fantastic work the guys at the Stepien have done covering the draft. I’ll also point you to his piece by Cole Zwicker: “The Uniqueness of Brandon Clarke.”
What this draft does have is two historically elite functional athletes who are good basketball players, who know how to play and who can play potentially difference-making versatile defense. One is in his own stratosphere as a generational talent. The other is Brandon Clarke…
Zwicker goes on to note that Clarke, despite having a sub seven foot wingspan, is a “world class” athlete and one of the best athletic prospects in NBA history. Now while there have been plenty of amazing athletes in NCAA history, there are very few that have combined that athletic ability with dominating on-the-court play. For every Wilt Chamberlain and LeBron James, there’s a D.J. Stephens and Jamario Moon. But Clarke combines amazing athleticism with actual, amazing on-the-court play, instead of dunking or shooting alone in a gym.
Clarke led the NCAA in FG%, blocks, offensive rating, defensive rating, Wins Shares, WS/48, and was No. 2 behind Zion in Box Plus/Minus. Oh, and there’s this.
NBA Draft: FG% on 2-pointers away from the rim according to https://t.co/cMFPQ7z5gY (min. 20 att)
Brandon Clarke – 53%
Grant Williams – 52%
Bruno Fernando – 47%
Zion Williamson – 47%
Tyler Herro – 47%
Rui Hachimura – 45%
PJ Washington – 45%
Bol Bol – 45%
DeAndre Hunter – 43%
…— Chris Kouffman (@ckparrot) May 31, 2019
That’s right, not only is Clarke the second best finisher in the draft, behind Zion, he’s the best non-dunking two point shooter in the NCAA. Now I get it, a lot of this is against the scrubs Gonzaga plays in the West Coast Conference. Their strength of schedule was 46th. But lets not pretend that Clarke didn’t put up huge games against ranked opponents, like his 17 point, 6 block game versus Duke, or his 36/8/3 game with five blocks and two steals against Baylor in the second round of the tourney.
But, yes, despite amazing touch, Clarke still has bad mechanics on his three-ball. What is special though, is Clarke’s work ethic, to have completely overhauled his shot in three years, improving from a 56% free throw shooter to 70% free throw shooter, and taking a stroke that would make Shawn Marion and MKG blush to at least a point where you can envision him being a solid catch-and-shoot player. Heck. If Bruce Bowen can do it. Anyone can. That kind of work ethic is special. Brandon Clarke will be a quality scorer in the NBA.
Brandon Clarke 100 percent from the corner pic.twitter.com/XtahE6BB9u
— Chris Kirschner (@ChrisKirschner) May 31, 2019
And yes, I know he’s already 22. You know who was also 22 when he came into the league? Pascal Siakam? You know who was 23? Larry Nance Jr. The old adage that your development curve stops when you hit 23-24 is just not true for everyone, and further, may be a function of correlation and not causation. Maybe teams are giving up on players developing new skills when they get to their mid-20s, when they shouldn’t be.
Anyway, enough talk about his offense. Clarke is going to be an insane defender: a top two defender in this draft. He was the captain of Gonzaga’s D, showed Rui Hachimura where to be, and will be able to guard 1-4 in the NBA and some 5s.
I didn't see it (but I didn't watch fully so not guaranteed)
But let's watch his beaufiful slide steps. pic.twitter.com/HI8XfrEURf— Skyfall (@polarfall) May 17, 2019
I’ll spare you the details, but he’s everything you want in a switch defender who can guard all over the floor. As Ben Werth noted a few weeks back, there are no tradition positions in the NBA anymore. With a frontcourt of Kevin Love and Larry Nance, Clarke can guard the three, because both of these guys have the floor stretching ability to allow Clarke to be a roller/cutter/crasher. Put that in a lineup with a defensive 2 (which Cedi can be), and you have three good defenders with Love and Sexton. Those last two aren’t ideal but as a lineup fit, it shouldn’t be a problem. The Cavs desperately need a backup 4 as well, and Clarke will fit that bill. End Scene.
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Speaking of Collin Sexton, this Darius Garland talk is maddening. I hope it’s just to increase the value of the pick in case someone is trying to trade up (which reportedly, someone is).
Being told ATL Hawks in deep talks w/ CLE sending 10 + 17 to CLE for 5. Also told deal could possibly expand to include Kevin Love, but not there yet. @929TheGame @MikeConti929
— Paul Crane (@PaulCrane7) June 18, 2019
The Cavs hit an absolute home run when they took a gamble on Sexton last year. No one thought he could shoot like he did, and no one saw him adjusting his game as quickly as he did. He’s coachable, unbelievably hard working, and has a malleable skill set. I don’t know why’d you’d hinder him by putting him with another ball-dominant short guard who can’t defend. If you didn’t read David’s piece Saturday, you should. Garland is the Emporer’s New Clothes.
Essentially, this draft is so weak that Garland’s lack of college games kept him from showing as many flaws as the guards who played more games. The top of the guard class this year would not be the top most other years.
In a draft that isn’t top heavy, Garland doesn’t get you anything other than (possibly) high level shooting, and (possibly) handle. He’s not a good finisher, passer, or defender. Sure he can work on his game, but I’d still draft Sexton ahead of him for speed and work ethic. I’ve read in more than one place that Sexton would be a top five pick in this draft, and people are still saying Collin’s best role might be as a bench scorer. But for a guy who completely turned his game around last year and has impressed with his endless work ethic, why would you not give him every opportunity to be the best he can be, and not bring in someone with a duplicate skill set that isn’t complementary? Teams lose their minds a little this time of year.
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I’m betting that Daryl Morey won’t be GM of the Rockets next year. Why? Because Tillman Fertitta seems like an unpleasant man to work for, and the Rockets are a mess. First was the bizarre “everyone is tradeable” news from the Rockets. Then was the “off again/on again/off again” contract extension for Mike D’Antoni. See below for the first “off.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrI3_LhvF14
Then James Harden and CP3 started beefing (as if anyone couldn’t have seen that coming). Now Fertitta is complaining about CP3’s $160 million contract, even “in front of rival executives.” Remember, this was the price of getting CP3 in the first place, as he opted into the final year of his previous contract with the Clippers in order to be traded to the Rockets for PBev and parts. The wink-wink-nod-nod agreement was always that the Rockets would offer CP3 a new deal, and that wink probably probably implied a max deal. But that “agreement” was made when Leslie Alexander was the owner, and before he sold the team for $2.2 billion to Tillman.
There were rumors that Fertitta was balking at re-signing CP3 to the max before he even signed it, and my bet is that Morey took him aside and said it was the price of doing business, and if if they didn’t no agent would trust them again. Well, Tillman is still complaining about it. There’s only a matter of time before Morey – who now is coiffed like someone releasing a hostage video after being held for six months in a Brooklyn co-op – and Fertitta – who is only one Mike Pence away from being the next Cotton Hill – stop blaming the Golden Turd, D’Antoni, and Cliff Paul’s brother and start blaming each other for the fact they built their team around a guy whose game falls apart when refs stop calling fouls.
For all the good moves Morey has made, he’s made some disastrous ones (Ahem, Carmelo Anthony and Ryan Anderson). Morey needs to start over somewhere doing something he’s great at: building rosters out of marginal draft picks, smart free agent signings, and great trades. Meanwhile Fertitta can concentrate on being a Texas sized Vivek Ranadive.
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So this was one of my worst tweets ever.
Love the blog, love the pod, but this is a bad take. You think there is only one woman qualified for an NBA coaching position? Any other woman is a token hire?
— Leigh Jackson (@OysterMonkey) June 13, 2019
Leigh was probably right to call me out on it, and I have no idea if they interviewed Hammond. I wish Lindsay Gottlieb all the luck in the world, and she seems as qualified as anyone.
I followed up that doozy with this one today.
Wiggins/wolves pick + future first for 25, Tristan Thompson, Delly? With the stipulation they stretch Delly so he can be re-signed. https://t.co/l3ivDVAKWz
— HoopsDogg (@oldseaminer) June 18, 2019
Yikes. Still Wiggins is so intriguing… God, someone stop me before I tweet again on draft week. It makes everyone dumb. Good thing Magic quit to do it more often.
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Finally, winning this week’s “Cringie,” the award for the hot take that elicits the week’s most unpleasant facial expression: ESPN’s Kevin Arnovitz. He penned this gem titled “Let Zion Williamson choose where he wants to play next.” Oy. He’s basically saying that the NBA should do away with the draft and let players choose where they want to play.
In a league where the product is the talent, why do employers get to interview the potential employees, but not the other way around? As Williamson embarks on building a global brand for himself over a career whose prime will come and go in about a dozen years, he might even have certain standards about what kind of person or businessman an NBA owner should be. Why is disqualification a one-way street, whereby no team has to employ a player whose character it finds questionable, but no incoming rookie has the right to dismiss an owner he and his family might think is sketchy?
First, the glaring, enormous flaws in Arnovitz’ logic around making players happier by giving them, “a say in where you work and live” is three-fold. One: this isn’t Communist China. No one is holding a gun to these kids’ heads forcing them to play basketball. They’re perfectly free to play baseball, football, badminton, or the stock market. They’re free to be florists, journalists, surgeons, or grocery store clerks. Two: no one is forcing these kids to play in the NBA. They can play anywhere in the world they can get a Visa. They can play in the Big3. They can play in any number of smaller leagues in the U.S. Third: the draft is collectively bargained and the NBA is a success because they’ve expanded to 30 cities and are billion dollar entities in each of them. Restricting those teams to a different share of the talent would certainly fold some of them, mean fewer jobs and lower salaries. Oh, and that collective bargaining also benefits both sides. NBA teams get rights to players. NBA players get the ability to not be signed to a 10 year contracts for 100K a year. The compensation for those rights? Money for everyone – control for some.
I’ll also counter that most people 22 and under are complete idiots, and have no idea what’s going to make them happy. They’re far less likely to have it “figured out” than their agents and parents, which is to say, not at all.
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Until Thursday, Cavalierios. Try not to do anything dumb. I know I probably will.
I really love this for many reasons. 1) The average age/development curve is an average! Because lots of young players het drafted and learn what they will from being in the league in so many years. Older players can also take that many years of NBA experience to develop, but because of the preponderance of young draftees that are successful in the NBA it moves the bell curve. That doesn’t mean 22-23 year old draftees dont learn and grow for several years, it just means there are more younger players that do their learning and progressing at a younger age.… Read more »
I will say on the age development curve older players can of course continue to develop and likely will. However, I think guys with three to four years of college often come in more refined and with a better understanding of how to play the game, eg offensive and defensive fundamentals, how to defend certain looks, how to counter certain d, how to run certain types of offensive actions, and in general often have more refined or advanced skills than younger prospects. They may be able to further refine those skills, but if if a younger player produces well or… Read more »
Sorry if this seems obvious. To sum most guys that stay in college already have gone through the biggest part of their development in my opinion, which is learning the fundamentals of team ball and how to win. Many tangible skills also have likely been refined to a point closer to their final form than guys who have not had those extra years. But even then I think the biggest part of development are those intangible skills based around bball iq and fundamemtals that most guys learn college.
https://twitter.com/CavsTheTweets/status/1141501837062942720?s=19
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1141487125029953541?s=20
https://twitter.com/CavsTheTweets/status/1141496197095591941?s=19
Should be a fun draft. I can hardly wait to welcome Bol Bol and Cam Reddish to THE LAND!
https://twitter.com/MZavagno11/status/1141495757595381761
I hope Nate is right on those Miami tea leaves.
If we can score a late lotto for JR & eating a contract that would be fantastic.
Think:
#5: Hunter/Culver
#13: Clarke/Washington
#26: Jerome, Grant Williams, Okeke, Alexander-Walker.
Memphis trades Conley to Jazz for Crowder, Korver, Grayson Allen, 2019 1st, and a future protected first likely to convey in 2022.
Conley, Mitchell, Ingles, Favors, Gobert. Strong starting 5. If they can add playable wing/big depth, lookout.
https://www.nba.com/article/2019/06/19/report-grizzlies-trade-conley-jazz
From 538…
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1141489925201833985
Gotta get Culver
I hope they do. No guarantee he’ll be good, but I like what he brings. I know some other teams may try to move up to take him. Expect Cam Reddish and be happy if it’s anyone else.
https://twitter.com/KevinFolliNBA/status/1141140476957003778?s=20
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1141448123094622208?s=20
is longabardi ?? gone?
He’s moving into your basement.
i will say i am on the fence with giving up clarkson.. i do fear that we likely are unable to replace his offense.. he made strides last year, and is certainly not outrageously expensive..
I think he is what he is at this point. He may be a useful piece to some team out there, but I wouldn’t hesitate to trade him for other assets.
sure.. let’s just win the trade
why would a trade light a fire under wiggin’s lollygagging arse? he’s an overpaid prima donna who belongs on the globetrotters.. he’s got what, $120mill remaining on his contract.. ??
He’s just not very good at basketball. I’d consider his contract one of the worst three in the NBA. I don’t care how ‘aggressively’ the Twolves are looking to trade him. They will need to give up some nice asset(s) to dump that albatross.
we agree.. hooray! no way we take that drek on for a #11
i love it when other teams have to walk through their own scheit week after week in open view of all
Wiggins as far as his contribution to winning bball versus his contract is practically a bust. I agree. He could have the worst contract in the nba at this point. I mean he has 4 years left at 30 mil average. His career TS is 52%. Last year it was a horrific 49%. He has never had a plus bpm year. And last year it was a -2.9. That has to be one of if not the worst bpm for a guy under 25 on a max deal.
If Gilbert is willing to take on that contract, this years #11, and their first next year would do it for me.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y2z5vobe
2 1st’s.. y, i am probably in on that as well
4 years is a long time to be carrying around that much dead weight for literally about 1/3 of your cap room. If it was two years less, maybe.
Cavs got another assistant. Lang was lead assistant to Snyder last year. Been with Snyder since 2014. Will be slotted as second assistant (according to FTS) behind Bickerstaff.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900076074/utah-jazz-assistant-antonio-lang-joins-cleveland-cavaliers-coaching-staff-with-john-beilein.html
Hell yeah…. played for Duke and the Cavs and won two rings with Duke. Also the article says he developed Derrick Favors.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1141454823000354822?s=20
IMO this is a good sign for the Cavs getting Miami’s pick for JR.
That would be great!
how so? educate me
Miami probably knowing they’re going to dump their lottery pick to clear cap. They still want a rookie, so they picked one up.
thx.. makes sense.. #44 a bit of a stretch but stranger things have happened.. keep those picks rolling in.. i am in favor of a full-tilt re-start.. keep the young core of sexton, nance, cedi, bigZZZ (plus delly and nwaba)
https://twitter.com/Supreme_Gifs/status/1141117095066734592?s=19
Silver should intervene and just put him on the Lakers.
I think the Knicks could be convinced.
Even they reportedly declined.
It’s only a matter of time before Dolan will step in. They just need to wave something shiny in his face and he’ll bite.
Thunder Increasing Efforts To Shed Salary: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/thunder-increasing-efforts-to-shed-salary.html
The Thunder have increased their efforts to reduce team salary for the 2019/20 season, league sources tell Jake Fischer of Sports Illustrated (Twitter link). According to Fischer, Steven Adams, Dennis Schroder, and Andre Roberson are all “very available,” as is the No. 21 overall pick in Thursday’s draft.
Not sure if the Cavs could swing this specific trade:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yxqotrla
Cavs get: Steven Adams, H. Diallo, and the #21 pick
Thunder get: J.R., B. Knight, and Zizic, plus the Cavs #26 pick
Gross. Better get the pick outright or a future for helping them shed salary. Also, you’re adding two more centers. Not ideal. Though I think Adams is movable.
Yeah the Cavs #26 could be excluded. OKC is also getting Zizic, so while we are adding a center, we are also losing one. I’d be cool with keeping Stevens. TT is going to be gone soon.
Cavs getting one center not two.
You’re right. Got my Diallos confused.
I like Adams but really don’t know if he fits the style the Cavs are going for. For a half court team, he might be very good. The Spurs could use him, as could the Celtics. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him end up in Boston.
http://tradenba.com/trades/ryXw_QdyH
Love that for both teams. Boston gets one of the best p and r and toughest defensive centers in the nba to replace Horford, some bench scoring. And OKC gets some shooting and maybe (high level scoring and decent wing defense), if Hayward comes back next year closer to what he was, as well as a young development guy in Semi.
I love me some Steven Adams. He is a bigger, better version of TT.
Not sure we need a C.
And Miami at 13 has a better pick for JR. But goodness, getting Adams would be awesome. Give the Zizic & 26.
No on the others.
And Wiggins.
Or: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yycx9y8a
Cavs get Batum and the #13 pick
Hornets get TT, Clarkson, and #26 pick
i would do this..and this could actually happen.. nice
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3o2tt2g
Here you go… plus Boston gives the it’s 14th and 20th picks.
Those picks of course to the Cavs.
this a pure fantasy, right? why would this happen? how could this happen?.. educate me
Fedor’s New Mock: 5. Cleveland Cavaliers The pick: De’Andre Hunter, forward, Virginia https://expo.cleveland.com/sports/g66l-2019/06/e61a3696ff8201/nba-mock-draft-2019-cleveland-cavaliers-.html Analysis: According to sources, there’s a split between Hunter and Culver internally. Some lean towards Culver’s upside while others are banking on Hunter’s floor. There are also some in the organization who favor Cam Reddish because of his pure talent, believing he has a chance to be a star. Garland carries appeal in Cleveland as well, especially with head coach John Beilein’s belief in a two-PG system, and Garland’s unique off-the-bounce shooting ability. A large Cavs contingent went to watch Garland conduct a private workout in Los… Read more »
26. Cleveland Cavaliers (from Houston Rockets) The pick: Luguentz Dort, guard, Arizona State Height: 6-5 Weight: 224 2018-19 stats: 16.1 points, 4.3 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1.5 steals, 40.5 field-goal percentage, 30.7 percent shooting on 3s and 70 percent free-throw shooting in 31.5 minutes. Analysis: If a player starts to fall (Porter or Bol), the Cavs could be aggressive moving up. The newly-acquired 23rd pick of the Grizzlies might be available as well. Teams may have a tough time figuring out Dort’s ideal NBA position. He sees himself as a point guard. He didn’t get a chance to play that spot… Read more »
I don’t like the idea of a two “pg” system unless one of those pgs is 6’6″. Multiple ball handler sounds more modern.
I hope it’s Hunter or Garland, don’t need a brick layer…. Culver is out now IMO.
I still hope they trade back. But if not, I am fine with Hunter or I guess Culver. I just am wary of Garland with our team. It would be one thing if it was Morant. But I don’t feel as confident about Garland with our team even if I think he could be a good piece in a vacuum. I would almost rather take White over Garland for our team, though White almost seems like a bigger version of Sexton. At least he is 6’5″ though.
Cavaliers announce 50th anniversary celebration plan: https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2019/06/cavaliers-announce-50th-anniversary-celebration-plan.html
i am really enjoying the ainge-roast occurring on a fairly regular basis on the tv sports shows.. poor danny, he outsmarted himself.. now his little fiefdom is crumbling.. and the wormhole to basketball immortality has closed again..
nick wright is doing a superb job roasting ainge on the barby.. as is stephen a..
https://twitter.com/The_Mailman/status/1141226167212621829?s=20
Kyle Korver Likely To Return For 17th Season
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/kyle-korver-likely-to-return-for-17th-season.html?fv-home=true&post-id=129836
https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1141152519747514368
what can we get for ‘quese?
ever since he was seen directing traffic in front of the basket i knew we had acquired someone special
Nothing thankfully. He is an unrestricted free agent. Off our hands.
A small sack of basketballs.
who is optimistic, and who is getting ready to heave into the bag tomorrow evening?
Cavs take Culver and Mfiondu Kabengele, C, Florida State in BR’s new mock: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2841103-bleacher-reports-final-2019-nba-mock-draft#slide13
Cavs taking Garland and Admiral Schofield in the new CBS mock draft: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-mock-draft-north-carolinas-coby-white-on-the-rise-is-picked-by-the-suns-at-no-6/ PPG 16.5 RPG 6.1 APG 2.0 3P% 41.8% Schofield was just a 3-star prospect in high school — a 6-5 forward from Illinois who wasn’t even considered a top-250 recruit in the Class of 2015, according to 247Sports. Now he’s 6-6 with a sculpted body and reputation for being a tireless worker who is loved by his coaches. Combine that with the fact that he made more than 40% of 393 3-point attempts in the past three seasons, and there’s a place on an NBA roster for… Read more »
I like it…. I like Schofield as a 3/4 and D type of player.
SI’s Mock today has the Cavs taking Hunter and Jerome https://www.si.com/nba/2019/06/19/nba-mock-draft-trade-rumors-zion-williamson-ja-morant-rj-barrett
Hell yeah two champions
Hmm would anyone do JR + Henson for Parsons + #23 pick in the draft. We get another first and Grizzlies get out of some salary. I’m not big on Henson given our log jam at PF/C even though we haven’t see him play for the Cavs yet.
I think the Grizzlies are at a similar spot as us. They are looking to acquire assets. So I doubt they want to surrender their new pick.
God no. That’s garbage. Maybe for future picks with fewer protections but Chandler is unplayable. Anyway much rather move TT as Henson is better and can actually shoot.
Rockets Expected To Pursue Jimmy Butler: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/rockets-expected-to-pursue-jimmy-butler.html
How exactly?
The article references a sign and trade with Philly with Eric Gordon. Though, I would doubt Butler would want to play with those knuckleheads.
It’s all about the State Farm commercials…
The Ringer’s Mock: https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.267839374.1488258126.1560960778-1451822043.1560960778
Cavs take Hunter and Porter Jr.
Wow this would be great!
Bol Bol Could Be a Whole New Kind of Basketball Player
The 7-foot-2 center is the son of a mythical NBA figure. He has the potential to be a more imposing player than his father, as long as his injury problems don’t keep his career from taking off.
https://www.theringer.com/nba-draft/2019/6/19/18684291/bol-bol-oregon-manute-bol-nba-draft
Minut Bol was on the Cleveland State roster at one point (I think?), but I don’t believe he ever played due to some sort of NCAA violation.
The kind who makes millions of dollars sitting on the bench with a bad foot…
“Five Players in the 2019 NBA Draft Who Will Not Fail” article in the Ringer.. worth reading
https://www.theringer.com/nba-draft/2019/6/19/18684386/nba-draft-2019-chris-vernon-prospects
Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Virginia Tech
PJ Washington, Kentucky
Ty Jerome, Virginia
Admiral Schofield, Tennessee
Shamorie Ponds, St. Johns
I’ve seen a lot of mocks with the Cavs taking Ty Jerome with #26
let’s hope.. if not him, grant williams.. there are some interesting picks to be plucked late in the first.. i hope we grab the #30 from MIL
Lol. Admiral Schofield. Might not get drafted.
This is the first that I’ve even heard he existed.
He did not show well.
Seems like a really good deal for Utah, provided Conley can stay healthy.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1141372910671716352
Pretty clear indication that they will be selecting Morant now.
Yeah, can’t imagine anyone else. If Korver is waived, wonder if Lebron will try to grab him?
I think it’s a pretty good deal for Memphis as well. Two first rounders + getting out of Conley’s contract when the team clearly is going a different direction. Obviously Grayson Allen hasn’t shown much yet and may not, but this should be the time when they’re taking fliers on young guys to see if they can develop.
Hope Conley stays healthy and does well there….always a big fan of his.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1141372374174130177
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1141372535776436226
More scouting reports up at The Stepien. They are killing it.
Jontay Porter as their 6th best pretty much confirms most things I have thought about their draft reviews. That is a bigger reach tham Garland.
They have some real Rose colored goggles about some serious (not easily fixable) issues with some guys and are crazy pessimistic about some minor teachable issues with others. Culver as the second best prospect is betting every single major issue he has becomes a major strength.
Basically I think that site is a bit overhyped. Think there are better scouting reviews elsewhere.
They have several writers, all with different viewpoints. Show me any draft scouting site and I’ll show you some hilariously wrong predictions.
Sure. I don’t really agree with the emphasis placed on types of evidence used in their reviews, nor necessarily the strengths they consider most predictive or weaknesses they consider most easily fixed. I couldn’t name which specific writers have written the articles of which I am most skeptical, nor do I know if there is much or any difference in the metrics the different writers use to evaluate guys.
I will say I sort of agree of their view on Sekou. He is likely a year away from being a year away. But that said if you have another top ten pick with a high floor, then taking the risk on a guy like that becomes reasonable. He could be developed partially in g league if necessary.
I LIKE YOUR THINKING JASON !!
Now I think it is much more likely the Pels (who also need shooting) or, more likely, someone they trade with, take Garland at 4. Giving the Cavs pick of the litter on the wing after Barrett.
Take Culver or Hunter.
Try to use JR + 26 + taking on bad $$ to either move up or score another first. Then buy a 2nd and take Okeke and let him rehab a year.
Thoughts on LA.
I do not get this line of thinking that LA was going to take Garland. Hunter seemed much more likely, as he could contribute right away, and play the Shane Battier role so Bron can play no D for 82. Or Culver, who could also hang on D from jump.
Plus: Garland,???, LBJ, Kuzma, Davis? I only see 1 defender there. And Garland only played 5 games and is best WITH the rock.
Klutch client, but just as likely that the promise is/was from Phoenix.
https://twitter.com/drbill1947/status/1141160808333922304?s=20
Better max Scary Terry, Danny.
we need a few VanVleet’s.. how hard can that be.. when other teams are finding these guys on the streets?
or an allonzo trier.. another undrafted, with a 40% 3pt shot
Read he was a bit of a head case though. Teammates had issues with him.
Half the teams draft athletes rather than basketball players.
Too bad the Lakers don’t have any assets. Now they’re trying to move players to sign another star (Butler, Walker).
Partly because they didn’t handle the AD transaction as effectively as they could have. How surprising.
someone is going to give cavs something for JR’s contract, correct? or does the henny-lover die a cav?
Yep. I think at the very least they can get the Bucks pick at #30.
Yes. I’m sure there are offers there but most teams are probably holding their first rounders in case someone falls. It’ll get moved draft night to a team in the teens or for future picks.
I’m not advocating for it, but I’d probably be okay if they took Bol Bol at #26. As long as they grabbed someone less risky, like Hunter, at #5.
I am okay with Bol at 26….someone will grab him well before that, though. (I am okay with Bol at 26 as long as they don’t also take Reddish at 5, I should say)
Likewise MikeO!
my vote for a big goes to Mfiondu Kabengele..
Really enjoyable read, Had not heard much about Clarke, but seems like the shooting is the only minus. What FAs are realistic that can shoot? Not sure I can watch stauskas 82 more times
Who’s up for Cam Johnson at 25 (doubt he’ll be there) What about 17 if the Cavs get it? 5 year senior but far and away the draft’s most proven shooter.
With 26, sure. At 17, depends who is there…there could be several attractive players still around at 17…
Maybe even Clarke!
Cam Johnson is a no-brainer at 26…. agree with MikeO about there being options at 17, but I probably wouldn’t be mad with CJ at 17.
https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1141146447318003712?s=19
I’m sure that’s true. It’s probably also true that CP3 and Harden are thoroughly sick of each other. CP3 just seems like such a miserable jagoff.
He probably tired of Harden playing Trick or Treat, when it comes to the playoffs.
Or just playing iso ball all the time…he might as well be the only guy on the floor when he does that. But I doubt CP3 is any fun to play with. either.
The guy in the State Farm commercials probably finds CP3 to be a real Debbie Downer!
Maybe Horford will sign with the miserable Rockets… :)
He’d actually be a good fit there, imo…if they unload Capela…
HOU is in some deep doo-doo.. they need lots of shovels.. wtf were they thinking with paul?? makes TT contract look like it was cooked up by a savant
i do think we need more than #5 and #26.. we have only 1 player who has any trade value, KLove, even if he helps win an extra 10 games next year, what is the pt?.. he is a rapidly diminishing asset.. time to say thanks and send him on his way, hopefully to a contender, and bring back some young bodies.. koby and beilein are going to be judged for quite a while on what they do in the next day or 2..
give beilein a clean slate.. let himw work with a young squad and help grow it into something competitive on the nba level
Yeah. No. You don’t grow things from nothing in the NBA. You need solid vets to set a culture and show guys how to be pros. You also don’t dump an asset for pennies on the dollar just because the perceived value is low. You also don’t move the only major free agent your team has ever signed inside of a year unless he asks to be moved.
i think he is gone.. we will see..
Agreed Nate… and judging by contracts, it’s clear that KLOVE, along with Nance and Sexton, are the core of the future… at least until 2023.
i am pretty sure that if KLove was sent to a better team, with a chance to compete in the off-season, that he would be very happy..
I’m quite sure you can’t read KLOVE’s mind, but are more than free to try lol
No one in the lottery is a better team.
I am with the others. I want at least a couple decent veterans who are solid lockerroom guys. I don’t think we’re anywhere near a lock for the 7th or 8th seed anyway. Boston even if the lose KY and Horford will probably be a playoff team. Toronto certainly will if they keep Kawhi. And with Siakam they likely will be without kawhi. Indy will be. Nets will be with Ky and their core. Philly will be even if they lose Butler and Harris. Bucks will be. I suspect Hawks will be near the 8th seed next year and they… Read more »
It is very difficult to develop more than two rookies at once. Likely if they get another pick it will be a draft and stash guy.
How about #5 to the Wiz for Beal?
i would do that.. wiz won’t
It would make Beal happy though!
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1141024410532556800?s=19
I think the Pels do it… unless they love Garland, Hunter, or Culver.
https://twitter.com/highkin/status/1141080839360434177?s=19
Really wish he could be traded to the Celtics to destroy that franchise once and for all.
I take the guy Atlanta wants at 5. They can either give me 8 and 17 or we wait to see if the guy I want is at 10,and then we do 10 and 17. Otherwise I keep Culver.
Per Vecenie: Okay, so now we get to the Hawks: the team who wins the award for most unclear information in the industry this draft season. Depending on who you talk to around the league, people are certain the Hawks are going to use some combination of No. 8, 10 and 17 to move up for Jarrett Culver. No wait, it’s for De’Andre Hunter. Er, rather, they’d prefer to stand pat at No. 8 and just take Cam Reddish if he’s there, as there’s been interest there the whole season. Or maybe they’ve promised Hunter at 8, something else that… Read more »
Who knows who ATL wants though? Anything that you hear might be disinformation from them if they really want someone they think might go earlier. Teams that they have explored trading picks with if it is just a pick swap, might not even know. Unless the trade is done before the 4th or 5th pick is made no guarantee they get who they want.
Ask them is my point.
My point is why would they say? They aren’t likely to tell you who they want. Just likely to agree to offer the picks depending on how the previous part of the draft shapes up. I don’t think teams usually tell teams they are just pick swapping with who they want unless that other team is going to be picking for them due to salaries being involved which precludes the deal being done on draft night, a la the Lakers. It would lead to a leverage/tactical advantage for the team looking to trade back. ATL has no reason to disclose… Read more »
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/961665399329759233?s=20
Always worth a revisit:
https://twitter.com/MZavagno11/status/1140825773386940417
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1141128295259475969
Interesting. Maybe there is something to the Capela rumor.
https://twitter.com/SteveBHoop/status/1141124460805873665
Maybe the Heat can trade #13 and Waiters to the Cavs so Horford can sign with them.
LMAO @ any team signing a 4 year max deal for a 33 year old Al Horford. Won’t have to worry about them competing for a championship.
Can’t imagine he’s going to get a max.
Guess he’s getting desperate to win something…. can’t believe he walked away from 30+ million.
If there is any fire to the smoke, sounds like a lot of teams are jockeying to get in position to take Garland. If Garland turns into the next Steph Curry (spoiler: he won’t), one highly amusing thing will be the likelihood that the Lakers traded away the right to draft him.
Arnowitz’s take is moronic.
No way do I trade 5 for 10 & 17. 8 HAS to come our way. Not sure I do it for 8 & 17 either. And no way do I trade Love to ATL for anything less than Collins + more 1sts.
Yeah I agree it’s gotta be 8 and 10.
According to one trade chart simulator, 10 and 17 is greater value than 5….. I’d do the deal if I were the Cavs.
Not when the other team has 8 as well and already offered it for #3.
A trade chart puts values on picks in a vacuum, and has nothing to do with the particular circumstances of hypotheticals.
So in that sense, you’d be wrong… 10 and 17 is definitely worth it from a mathematical standpoint.
Trading back for more quantity of hard-working players from the draft, good coaching staff developing players, enjoyable basketball, good culture, with hope for the future. That’s the season I would like to see.
Yup. Agreed.
Some really good scouting reports at The Stepien on the front page…check them out — Porter Jr, Culver, Barrett, Herro and more.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1141102057648263171?s=19
I would truly relish seeing CP3 and his contract on the Celtics.
I love Clarke, but it’s not clear to me that he’ll be an elite wing defender in the NBA, and he’s too slight of frame to defend really big, strong guys in the paint. He may well be a great wing defender. I think he’ll be a good one at worst. It just isn’t what he’s made his name doing in college. I think he can be a really effective small ball 5. Not too many people like Clarke more than me, I just think if they are picking at 5, they need to try to go for more shooting,… Read more »
I have similar views. Clarke really intrigues me if we get a top ten and a top 15 for 5.
I think he could become a good 3 pt shooter. He’s improved his FT % and I’m told that’s a good indicator for projecting shooting.
I mean 69% at age 22 after two seasons below 60% isn’t exactly indicative of turning into a decent shooting 3pt %. I wouldn’t bank on it. He could be a very useful player regardless but would need 3-4 good spacers. My thing is he will need a very good playmaker as a wing or guard in p and r the first few years to really utilize him well. Not sure we will have that anytime soon.
I think he can be an elite wing defender…. the problem is that he’s not a wing offensive player by any stretch of the imagination right now.
I looked at his tape and I think his shooting form isn’t the worst, but there’s no way I’m banking on him become a good 3pt shooter when it comes to projecting him.
Agree on Arnowitz. He talked about eliminating the draft on the Lowe post. It would kill all but about 4 to 5 teams’ chances of actually contending year in year out and landing top prospects. Honestly I think these guys just consider it a hip progressive thing to preach player empowerment. Makes them sound woke. All fine and good, but there have to be more than 5 teams with top 20 players otherwise the league goes bye bye. In order for that to happen there needs to be some limits on player movement.
Also what if there are already 15 guys on NY? And only playing in NY makes them happy? Do we put more teams in NY?
I think that is the only way it works. There would have to be like 5 teams in NY, 5 teams in LA, and like 3 in Miami, and then 1 each in the other giant cities like Chicago, Houston, etc. Vegas probably gets two teams because it’s Vegas and a party city. But then you have crazy market saturation within those four cities and they probably can’t support that many teams so you have problems with sustainability. I don’t think the finances would work out even in a reduced league besides the fact it is sort of absurd.
Also I like Garland and he very easily could turn out to be a great player with one of the higher ceilings in the draft, but I agree he is or makes Sexton a waste of an asset. No way those two can work on d together. Sexton may never be an average defender. Garland might not either. Just too exploitable. Would rather not the cavs take the gamble that the pairing could work, because it won’t, specifically on d.
I will say nance isn’t really functionally a floor stretcher yet. He doesn’t have gravity. Likely will need to shoot a lot more threes this season and make them for teams to actually run out and contest. We have a lot of non-shooters or so-so shooters without any gravity on this team. Why they need to get a knockdown shooter or at least a high ceiling prospect who has a jump shot if they take Clarke. Plus they will need to move the glut of bigs to make room. Already have way too many. Really we should have only one… Read more »
Quality shooting wings
You could argue the converse is also true. This team has no gravity finishers to draw defenders toward the basket. Their finishers are mostly meh. Even at the three, Clarke would solve that. Anyway, I’ll bet on clarke being a quality shooting wing with superior finishing ability over Garland being a quality anything.
Tt, Nance, and Zizic are all actually pretty good finishers on the roll these days. Problem was we had zero pgs with any idea how to make simple p and r reads or the passes to get them the ball. We haven’t had someone to find them since last year with lbj. Even then Zizic barley played and TT was sort of a shell last year. Nance was injured for part of it with lbj. Sexton sort of was kind of making very basic reads and simple passes by the end of the year, but he wasn’t really making people… Read more »
Pretty hard to rule out Sexton since he’s just a rookie. As for finishing they’re OK. Nance is great if it’s a dunk, OK at layup. Not great at much else. TT actually got competent at hook shots and 3-10 feet, but he is still OK at best at layups. I want him gone anyway. Zizic is solid if unspectacular, and mostly bad on D. No one of those guys is consistent enough to command a double team around the basket. Kevin only is because of his ability to draw fouls. Check out the shooting splits at bball ref.
Leigh was definitely right to call you out, but kudos to you for acknowledging it and taking a public shaming! Hardest thing to do is admit you made a mistake.
Wiggins though, that’s just indefensible!
For Nate – Sam Vecenie’s Recent Mock: 7. Atlanta Hawks (from BKN) — Brandon Clarke 6-8 forward/center, redshirt junior, Gonzaga If Clarke gets out of the lottery, I’m just looking at smart front offices to end the slide. The Hawks, Pacers, Spurs and Celtics would all suffice from No. 17 to 20. Clarke’s production this season was off the charts. If not for the presence of Zion Williamson, Clarke would have set the single-season record for PER in college basketball over the last decade at 37.2. His 69.9 true-shooting percentage was absurd given that only about 50 percent of his… Read more »
That should read the #17 pick, not #7.
Apparently the Cavs are fans of Kevin Porter Jr. and are looking to move up from #26 to grab him.
I’d be okay taking him with their second pick, but he absolutely could turn out to be the next Nick Young…
Nice article. Not surprised Arnovitz wrote that. He’s stated he could care less about parity, and I’m sure he’d be in favor of less teams.
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1141063762067316736
The biggest issue with Garland for me is the handle. The dude is sloppy if there is more than one defender on him. I’m pushing for Hunter and I’d love Clarke at a later pick. I think Hunter’s shot is going grow into something slightly less than top tier.
My problem with Hunter is I don’t see him being elite at anything. He’s Thad Young: good.
Perfect guy for the Cavs. He can’t be messed up. I’m all about taking a guy who will be solid or transcendent. No more projects for us.
Schmitz from DX express has him as an elite on ball defender who can switch 1-4 and maybe on smaller 5s.
He wouldn’t be my first choice at 5, but I also wouldn’t be upset if they took him. Here’s a snippet of what Vardon wrote today on Garland: Garland is said to possess a handle and perhaps a better feel for running a team than Sexton did, except for this: Garland played in only five games because of a meniscus tear.