Live Thread: Hornets @ Cavs
2019-12-18The Hornets are in Cleveland tonight after defeating the Kings 110-102 less than 24 hours ago. Charlotte sits at 13-17 and has been a bit of a surprise this season. They have seen legit contributions from their young players: Devonte’ Graham, PJ Washington, Miles Bridges, and Malik Monk. Graham had a 40 point game recently and is averaging 19.4 points a game while hitting 3.7 3s a night and dishing out 7.4 dimes.
Washington and Bridges are averaging a little over 12 points a game. And, you can’t forget that Charlotte’s vets like Nicolas Batum, Terry Rozier, and Cody Zellar are all contributing too. Essentially, they’re the Cavs with better veteran support and young guys that look more promising.
The Cavs have won just six games this season, but they should have a chance tonight. The one issue the Cavs will have is making sure the Hornet’s guards aren’t eating them alive drive after after against Collin Sexton and Darius Garland.
Usually I talk about three things to watch during the game at this point in the live thread, but that’s pointless. Anyone who has watched this team knows what they have to do to win: Get Kevin Love the ball, play some defense, and don’t take stupid shots.
Now, on to Kevin Love and why he probably isn’t getting traded.
He just doesn’t have it anymore and makes too much. Since joining the Cavs he is averaging near career lows. He’s getting just 15.9 points and 10.6 boards a night. Those aren’t bad numbers, they just aren’t numbers you want to see from a guy who is making over $28 million a season over the next three years. And for the people that say he’s getting 2.7 assists per game, that’s whatever. He faces a clear double team when he touches the ball because this Cavs team is so unstacked with talent.
The worst part about Love’s down turn productivity wise on offense is that he is actually getting his touches down low right now and getting around the same points per possession that he always has in Cleveland, despite what watching the games show us.
Here are his front court touches this season:
Here are last season’s touches:
And, for good measure, here are his touches during the Cavs’ championship season:
His points per touch and what not are elevated compared to previous seasons. He just isn’t the same outside threat anymore, statically or meaning wise. He’s hitting just two 3s a night at a 35.7% rate. It’s the worst as far as percentage in his time at Cleveland, and that’s arguably why a team would want him: to stretch the floor. Furthermore, the fact that his 3s truly down such a huge and his impact has been so low this year really points to his need to play with bonafide stars. I’m talking the LeBron James effect people. LeBron made him look a lot better than he was. Why the Cavs front office didn’t realize this after actually watching him play without James will boogle my mind forever.
Here are Karl-Anthony Towns tocuh stats. He’s more efficient in nearly every way:
While Love is no Towns in any means, Towns actually makes less money than him this year and just slightly more over the following years. Towns is also hitting 41.8% from deep, making 3.6 3s a night. He’s getting 26.5 per game. And, well, defensively, it’s not even a conversation.
The fact that monetarily this comparison is valid is the crux of the issue with finding a trade for Love. He’s a number three or four guy being paid number one guy money. That’s fine if your team can pay for that and field a reasonable bench still. That’s just not possible in the recently even more modern NBA where teams aren’t trying to stack three huge contracts together though. Teams have learned that sub-star guys don’t equal multiple role players. Until that fact somehow changes, Love is going to stay on the Cavs.
SEXTON AND 1!!!!
HEY SEXTON LEARNING FROM A MISTAKE!
Nice rhythm, Garland to Love for three!
Cedi with the Hoop and the harm.
Nice play by Sexton on the break…I’ll admit, I was surprised…
Me too!
Shocked. Absolutely shocked.
Way to learn Sexton!
Fun hallf. Kev really dishing the ball and Sexton really finishing
Cavs taking advantage of hornets porous paint d. Sexton on fire from floater distance. Still made about three egregious tovs and has complete blinders for 95 % of the time he has the ball. Needs to learn when to give it up on the break. Future JC or Jarrett Jack. TT a beast. Garland some nice passes. Just cold. Cedi and love had two nice backdoors. Some of the Cavs doing a nice job cutting and filling space and some of the others doing a nice job actually looking for teammates. Love was not quite there on d. Sort of… Read more »
Good to see Sexton and Love taking some pride on the defensive end tonight.
Good half of basketball!
Cavs defense holding Hornets to 38% from the field in the 1st half.
We are 1-13 from deep…..and up 12.
Cavs shooting nearly 60% from the field, and 7% from 3 LMFAOOO
I especially like holding Charolette to 41 in the first half.
GREAT DEFENSE SEXTON ON GRAHAM! Forced an ugly shot!
Sexton is perfect from the field, so hard to complain, but I do wonder why he hasn’t been taking many threes this year…
Sexton’s floater never looks this consistent.
SEXTON 7 FOR 7!!!
Nice half! Cedi & Sexy excellent shooting. D only gave up 41.
TT doing work in the paint!
Nice recognition Sexton, makes the easy shot.
LIKE THE 30 ASSISTS —–” BALL AINT STICKIN——MOVIN “
Sexton with smart attack, finding the crease and finishing.
Nice flop…
Cedi and Sexton have two steal a piece…. Love and Garland have 4 assists a piece. Defense has been stellar for the most part, and the Cavs have a chance to get to 30 assists again.
Wait… they are shooting hot dogs put of those things now?
I’d keep my mouth open just in case :)
Cedi looking to have a career game. This is what happens when the offense actually uses his talents.
Sexton should’ve hit him there and got bailed out.
Great steal Sexton, can’t run the fast break right, but made up for it with the pass to TT for the finish…. rollercoaster of emotions there LMFAO
GREAT MOVE CEDI!!!
LOVE TO CEDI AGAIN!
Hmm, Delly tried directing Sexton then. Was completely ignored.
WOW great outlet by Love, SEXTON IN A BLUR!
LIKE EVIL JUST KINDA ” BREEZING ‘ THRU——-SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD START FOR THE CAVS —-STILL CONCERNED WITH LOVE —LIKE DAVE MENTIONED HE PROBABLY WON’T BE TRADED –IF THAT IS THE CASE KLOVE MIGHT AS WELL “SUCK IT UP ” QUIT CHECKING OUT AND JUST PLAY BALL —–I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A HUGE KLOVE SUPPORTER BUT HE NEEDS TO PROVE TO ME TO CONTINUE ” ROOT ” FOR HIM
Henson has taken up LNJ’s foul problem from last season.
Nice drive and finish tho, maybe that’ll get his jumper going!
Garland’s shot is not there tonight… that was wide open. Great two man between Clarkson and Henson tho.
CLARKSON TO PORTER RETURNING THE FAVOR!
WHAT A PASS PORTER!
KPJ…nice pass and then finish!
So nice to see Cedi in the offense from the start. Kept the first unit spaced well and then the 2nd unit didn’t have to climb out of a hole.
Henson with the dirty work!
LMFAOOOO AC and Brad laughing about that play!
GARLAND TO PORTER!!!!!! LOVE IT!!!
PORTER SMASH
Disappointing foul
Nance should’ve shot that open 3. TT playing inspired ball.
TT is a magnet.
aggressive Nance is the best Nance
Nice pass KPJ, nice cut TT
Amazing how much better the Cavs look when they’re playing crummier teams…
Sexton getting buckets!
I feel like when Garland looks for the pass before his shot he is much more effective.
TT doing work!!! Garland needs to watch film on Steph for passing angles to hit pop out by the screener.
TT a bulldog tonight
Garland was wide open, just rushed that 3.
but Garland can run the fast break!!!
Nice dish, Darious…bet Sexton would have taken that shot…
Sexton has that floater working the past two games.
Cavs doing to Hornets what the Raps did to them last night…
Agreed. great point.
TT putting in work in the paint!
Fun start to the game. I especially liked how they started with Cedi handling the ball.
Better perimeter defense outside the Love blow by and Sexton ball watching.
I’ll be in and out tonight… but enjoying the ball movement by Cavs…
Best Love pass of the year right there…
Yup, perfect!
Garland aggressive, nice defense Sexton!
Nice patience Cedi!
Miami might do it if the Cavs took on jj and Waiters. But why bother?
Beilein should start coaching this team like a college team…. if he did, Love, Sexton, and Garland would be riding the bench for their pitiful defense. Interestingly, if you bench those guys and insert Delly, LNJ, and Clarkson… you get your best defensive lineup (according to defensive win shares) and their net rating is +28.2, an elite defensive rating of 83.3, and an offensive rating of 111.5 (granted it’s only 12 minutes of court time together so it’s virtually meaningless). Sexton’s the real saboteur of the starters… jacking up way too many shots at the nearly the worst % among… Read more »
Yeah. I mean saw that in the five man lineups posted awhile back had a Delly, Clarkson, KPJ, Nance, and TT lineup that sucked on O but was holding teams to like 68 pp100 with an offense rating of 98 pp100. One of the highest five man’s on the team at the time with something like 30-45 minutes played. Pretty certain the offense rating would go up with Cedi. Those three guys just kill us on that end right now. Love was decent defensively before he checked out. But checked out he is just helping to hemomorage points. And obviously… Read more »
At least that hideous stretch of schedule is done.
Unless we get a good haul back, which is doubtful, trading Love is not worth it. We have no other big salary types, and are shedding some overpaid vet salary types this year (TT, Knight, Delly). The salary is not an anchor for us. It would behoove us to find a way to keep Love engaged. It boosts value. It is also instructive to if are young guards can learn to play or not. And it helps to have your best player engaged. In terms of efficiency, Love has a TS% of 58.4% this year. 4th best of his career.… Read more »
My point about the 3% is that slight drop in performance means more now than it would when James and Irving were here. That percentage isn’t going to get him traded. There are tall defenders these days that can hit 3s like that and provide at a much lower number in a way that fits more easily on teams.
Good analysis. The paints ppp is interesting. The downturn on threes is perfectly explained by not having guards finding him when he pops and because we have missed kickouts from drives very frequently this season. Cedi seems to be about the only one that looks for him with frequency. He isn’t a guy that is going to step back on Treys. Very few bigs are. Towns is an exception. Porzingis has done so. Embiid tries but shouldn’t. He had Rubio finding him in Minny on kickouts and pops. LBJ finding him on skips, kickouts and pops here. We don’t really… Read more »
Still thought, you wanna pay 30 million for a guy that can’t create on his own any more? We traded for Love in a different era of basketball.
No unless I am already maxed and can get rid of some other fodder and am trying to contend within the next few years at all costs. Portland might fit that description.
I think Portland is going to try and just shed salary. They aren’t competing this year for sure. If they were smart theyd take flyers on g-league stretch guys.
Maybe. Wouldn’t be this year. But they’re pretty capped for awhile with Dame’s megadeal and CJ, no? I dunno.