Live Thread: Cavs @ Clippers
2021-02-14After a moribund showing against the Blazers, Friday, the Cavs have given Andre Drummond the night off in Los Angeles. We shall see if the starting center spot can do better than the eight points and five rebounds Drummond posted Friday. Personally, the Drummond situation weighs on me. He seems like a conscientious and personable guy in every interview, and there are numerous stories of him going out of his way to help people. I genuinely like Andre Drummond the person, and am beyond frustrated with Andre Drummond the basketball player.
I’m also frustrated with the Cavs’ front office leadership who have ticked off a long string of players and coaches: Ty Lue, Larry Drew, Kevin Love, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, Kevin Porter Junior, and now Drummond have all struggled relating to the Cavs organization that simultaneously claims they want to “build culture,” yet consistently suffers from communication issues with players and coaches and struggles with the human element of putting people in situations to succeed. It’s hard to watch the Cavaliers play and think that the players all know what their role is supposed to be and that the Cavs are building a meritocracy that rewards players and coaches for team play in the moment and as a whole. More than one story has come out about Cavaliers “playing for numbers,” and being more obsessed with their box scores than the scoreboard.
It’s hard to blame players for that when they are often treated by the front office like commodities. It’s hard to watch the Cavalier players not have confidence to fire away when they are open from three, or fail to communicate with their teammates defensively. Something is rotten in Denmark (or Independence). This NBA season is a meat grinder, and this road trip offers no ability to crawl out of a hole when the team is struggling with communication and cohesiveness. Some of this, however, is on the front office, who have failed to add another power forward another point guard, and who have fielded a roster that has led to far below optimum lineups.
All that being said, it’s just basketball, and maybe with Dre’ out tonight, the pressure will be off tonight, and the guys can just play. This Clips team waxed the Cavs a few weeks ago, but Paul George is listed as out tonight. The Cavs are still missing Delly, Kev, and Nance in addition to Drummond, but perhaps his exodus will stem the malaise that has infected the squad. Let’s hope they can play with some élan.
2nd straight turnover on the dribble handoff smh pathetic
Okoro just a touch late, pays the price.
nice help defense Okoro.
awful turnover Okoro and Sexton… what the hell is that offense????
Morris and Ibaka killing the Cavs, Kennard and PBev killing the Cavs from 3.
DG +3, Allen +1, only Cavs players with positive impacts.
Sexton -10, Prince -11, Osman -12, McGee, -13
horrendous end of quarter yet again. my God this team is so bad
The offense is bad without DG and Allen running things.
WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT SHOT SEXTON???? 5 point swing on that stupid shot.
HOLY SMOKES JAVALE
Awful defensive possession.
Sexton caught ball watching and just standing there instead of picking up a guy.
Sexton gets torched by Jackson
MCGEE SKIES FOR THE SLAM!
awful turnover though, didn’t want to pass it to Sexton LMFAOOOOO
WINDLER BLOW BY ON THE PNR!!
AND MORE OF THAT
Okoro with a rough go past two defensive possessions.
CEDI TO ALLEN PNR OOP!!!!!
MORE OF THAT
WOW, Windler was WIDE OPEN in the weak side corner, luckily Allen finishes the play off.
Okoro got played on the switch.
OMG, Cedi you gotta finish that dangggggg
Call that the ‘gyro-step.’ Not enough beef to actually consider it a strong move. lol
LMFAOOOOOOOOOO
Sexton finally found rhythm in the PnR
I think its more just his rhythm. Havent seen much come out of the ‘roll’ part. lol But hey, points are points.
LMFAOOOOO yes, no bad passes, open floaters were made!!!
Sexton c’mon that’s bad defense don’t foul him.
nice take Sexton…. found the open shot.
Sexton with two bad reads/passes in the PnR.
WINDLER TO ALLEN BAILS HIM OUT!!!
DG looking comfortable and confident.
Offense is so much more fun with him running the offense.
For sure! Tired of Sexton PnR’s that just lead to floaters.
*unless he’s hot.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOO EXACTLY!
SEXTON NICE FIND DG FROM WAY DOWN TOWN!!!
DG COOKING OKORO WITH THE KISS!!!!
nice call Karl, at least Okoro’s shooting the 3.
DG OFF THE DRIBBLE 3!!!!!!
GREAT ONBALL DEFENSE DG…
DAMMIT SEXTON GIVE THE BALL TO DG!!!!
WHAT A PASS DG!!!! FOOTWORK AND FINISH ALLEN!
Prince wide open just can’t hit…. had DG open on the pop 3 too though.
damn it, DG with his 3rd foul, somebody has to help on the mismatch.
WOW WHAT A MOVE DG!!!!
YESSS
We need so much more of that.
I’m ready for DG-centric offense… they need to make it happen.
SEXTON WENT HARD HOLY SMOKES I LOVE IT
nice pass McGee nice off ball movement Okoro.
hey Karl you on the west coast???
Nope, Im bout half an hour south of Columbus.
Oh shit!!! very nice! been out to Jackson/Chilicothe a few times in HS/college years!
hope you’re staying warm up there! (I’m in Raleigh NC LMFAO)
Thats hilarious. I work in Chilicothe once a week, and I used to live in Raleigh.
Used to go to Chilicothe to pick up our school newspaper from the printing press in that town!!!
LMFAOOOO you native Ohioan or Carolinian?
The good ol’ paper of Chilicothe. Can smell it from a mile away. lol
CLF, I was born and raised in OH. Moved to Raleigh for about a year when I was 19.
Nice Dan! I work at the Cozy Inn once a week DJ’ing.
Same here generally speaking, Ohio born and raised, but came down to school/work in NC later in life.
nice! Im from Chilli, live in Porstmouth now, donw on the River
Hell yeah Dan!!! really haven’t spent much time in Portsmouth, been to Athens, Ashland, Huntington more just by happenstance.
Sexton as point guard has not worked so far.
SEXTON TRANSITION WORKS!!!!
Sexton throws up a prayer instead of hitting Okoro on the short corner.
It is honestly wild to me that Sexton once won the McDonalds dunk contest and insists on pulling up short time after time.
wow he did??? that’s crazy!!! LMFAOOOO
Yes. With good dunks.
Okoro with a godawful miss.
At least he pulled the trigger though. Would like more decisiveness on his part.
that’s true, way to stay positive Karl!!! LMFAOOO
Sexton no situational awareness turns it over.
bad offense, bad rebounding… Sexton needs to get his head into the game.
damn great defense Windler/McGee, but they tripped each other LMFAO
I’ll take the effort though. lol
definitely!!! lMFAOOO
Sexton misses a FT then terrible defense back to back.
Really wish we could run some plays designed for Cedi/Windler with this second unit.
Agree, just put them on ball in the PnR.
Yes, with the other in the weak side corner.
exactly!!! shit’s not complicated!!! LMFAOOO
McGee dumb play after a great play… LMFAOOO
Javale doing an Dre impression on that fast break.
indeed he was! LMFAO
CEDI WHAT A FiNISH!!!!! AND1!!!! NICE PASS MCGEE!
offense goes to shit when Allen and DG sit.
Will keep an eye on the game but have to get some work done. Sorry can’t gasbag with you guys for this game.
LMFAOOOO Simmo has a case of the Mondays!!!! have a great afternoon/evening though!
Nice play Windler, although probably should’ve shot it.
AC agrees.
*AC voice* just shoot it young man!!! LMFAOOOO
Cedi headband didn’t last long.
Wait for it…hahaha
LMFAOOOO didn’t notice until you said so!
Sexton is all messed up on the pick and roll, another bad pass instead of shooting the open floater.
Definitely. His vision is just not good.
sucks, cuz he’s a good scorer and could become a great offensive player if he ever figured it out.
I feel like our half court O runs and looks so much more fluid without Dre. Still not quite there, but looks better.
One less ball hog for sure.
DG COOKING!!! more DG offense please!!!
WHAT A PASS DG!!! GREAT CUT AND FINISH SEXTON!
WTH SEXTON SHOOT THAT ONE!!! Sexton is all messed up.
Prince misses another layup, but Allen hustle bails him out.
Would love for Collin to use his athleticism to draw more fouls as opposed to shooting floaters. He’s so good at getting blocked. lol
just needs to dump it to Allen for the easy dunk, missed him twice already.
For sure. I was more talking about the one man break he had. Bad possession, but prolly couldve worked a foul call out of it.
oh yeah, it was 1 on 4, should’ve just pulled it back out IMO
Yes. Go 110% or pull it back.
agreed, i guess i like the irrational confidence to go up against Ibaka LMFAOOOOO!!!
I do too. But gotta go harder. lol
Okoro bad sequence, Sexton terrible shot… Sexton reverting to rookie form.
great defense Allen! stops transition!
Sexton had Allen wide open on the roll, refuses to pass, gets blocked and turns it over.
DG SWEET FLOATER! good offensive flow on that possession.
Mike Fratello on the call…. nice!!!
Prince blows an easy layup, gotta finish that.
DG SIDE PNR TO ALLEN!!! GREAT PASS!
Sexton had Allen on the roll, but at least stuck with it.
and bricks the FT, get your head in the game.
nice take Okoro
OKORO 2X!!!!
https://twitter.com/Cosmis/status/1361096886007066625?s=20
Are we hoping for a Dre trade or is it dependent on the return?
At this point I dont feel strongly either way. I definitely wouldnt mind the relief of the headaches Dre brings offensively and some more run for Allen as the big. Plus getting our ‘playmakers’ more ball-in-hand opportunity. But obviously theres gonna be a drop off in rebounding and prolly defense, to some extent.
dependent on return IMO or how badly he wants out if he wants a buyout.
ideal scenario is that we keep him and he accepts a backup/platoon role…. but that’s a pipe dream at this point.
Definite pipe dream. But we can hope.
I would just love for our younger guys to continue to build chemistry with Allen (even if it may not equate to W’s.) My early season hopes have definitely tapered off.
oh the young guys love playing with Allen unsurprisingly LMFAOOO, also apparently last win was with tonight’s starting lineup!
NATE AGREE WITH ALL YOU SAY ABOUT DRE—-HIS POST GAME INTERVIEWS ARE NEVER DEROGITORY/ NEGATIVE / NEVER HEARD OF HIM THROWING “ANYONE UNDER THE BUS ‘ AND HAS SPENT ALOT OF TIME / EFFORT / MONEY FOR CLEVELAND COMMUNITY– SO DRE AS A PERSON IS A PLUS JUST WISH HIS BASKETBALL PERFORMANCE WOULD BE EQAUL—ARE SOMEWHAT RETURN TO HIS EARLY SEASON PERFORMANCES —–MORE WIND3R TONIGHT I HOPE
Agree with all of this. If only we could get away from ‘Iso-ball-Dre.’ Getting K Love (and LNJ) back should help. SHOULD…
Cedi-Headband is going for 30 tonight. I can feel it in my loins. Or maybe thats just unreasonable hope. Or trying to speak things into existence. Regardless, I feel…something. lol
LMFAOOO i love it Karl!!! Cedi get right game
man it would be nice for a good Cedi game. feel like it’s been a looooooong while
Sexton not getting nearly enough shit for his recent play and that dumb article crowing about beating the Nets…. going on year 3 and his passing and defense are still garbage.
DG and Okoro have quit on defense too, but I see them as more victims of Koby and JB since we have no point guards and no desire to bench under-performing rookies.
Kawhi out too. Without their two best players should be able to get the W? Probably means a blow out L
by EPM, they still have a slightly better roster than we do in spite of missing their top two players, who are both top 10 NBA players!!! LMFAOOO