Live Thread: Cavs @ Knicks, Game 4 NBA Playoffs
2023-04-23Good morning CtB!
The Cavs wrap up their Broadway series with a Sunday matinee performance in Midtown Manhattan as they take on the New York Knicks for game four of their seven game series. The Cavs suffered an embarrassing 99-79 loss on Friday night, and left many fans distressed and looking for answers. The Cavs were outassisted, outrebounded, and loss the turnover battle with an unacceptable 20 turnovers in the game. If they want to avoid an elimination game, they will have to do what they did in game two: hustle for rebounds, share the ball, and hit some threes. It sounds like Darius Garland’s ankle is good enough to play on, and the only question for the Knicks is whether to keep struggling guard Quentin Grimes in the rotation.
There were more than a few Cavs fans criticizing J.B. Bickerstaff’s decision to start Caris LeVert over Isaac Okoro, but don’t count yours truly among them. The biggest problem I have with Bickerstaff’s rotations is not going back to Dean Wade, who was a big regular season contributor to the Cavs’ success this season. But it’s hard to criticize Bickerstaff for doing that when Wade performed so poorly game one. At the end of the day, the Cavs’ problems in game one and three have much more to do with the young players Darius Garland and Evan Mobley not being able to hit any shots, and Cavs’ most important reserve Cedi Osman crapping the bed off the bench. Taking a bigger picture view, there certainly is the belief that J.B. Bickerstaff can’t coach offense, it was a criticism that dogged him in Memphis and Houston and is coming to fruition again under the intense scrutiny of the NBA playoffs. Does Sam Merrill need to make an appearance? That’s the last quiver J.B. has to goose this offense. For what it’s worth, I’d much rather see Merrill than Ricky Rubio, which hurts to say. Checking in on the calculator, tells the story:
Cavs’ offensive rating in the playoffs: 100.7
Cavs’ defensive rating in the playoffs: 102.5
There were a lot of fans who wanted to crow about this team’s “top 10” offense during the regular season, but the eye test revealed a troubling pattern: Playing Jarrett Allen and Evan Mobley together hamstrings the offense, and playing non-shooting perimeter players such as Ricky Rubio, Lamar Stevens, and Isaac Okoro further hamstrings the offense. The Cavs need to enter the 21st century of the NBA, where there’s a premium put on role players who can actually shoot a jump shot. The fate of Spidaland rests on whether Danny Green, Caris LeVert, and Cedi Osman can hit a three. If they aren’t, then J.B. needs to try Dean Wade and Sam Merrill to try and fit the bill.
To Put a Fine Point on It:
Heavy sigh. We REALLY do not need to keep doing this but…
LeVert/Garland/Mitchell
117.9 oRTG
109.7 dRTG
+8.2 Net RatingOkoro/Garland/Mitchell
91.8 oRTG
91.7 dRTG
+0.2 Net RatingYou tell me which one you prefer! https://t.co/mSnLjO5fcw
— Mike Zavagno (@MZavagno11) April 22, 2023
Brunson is 4-18 shooting against LeVert. The Knicks have an 85 oRTG in the 67 possessions that LeVert has guarded Brunson. The idea that they need to start Okoro for defense is baffling and, frankly, wrong
— Mike Zavagno (@MZavagno11) April 22, 2023
Feel like there is some second guessing around starting LeVert and I don't get it? He's the only option that allows you to play Garland and Mitchell off ball at times. Cavs were able to consistently create shots like this in the early going which you'll take 10 times out of 10 pic.twitter.com/DIdOTtf4oq
— Mike Zavagno (@MZavagno11) April 22, 2023
Mike Zavagno, a staunch Caris LeVert critic during the regular season, has done a 180 on LeVert because he understands the NBA Playoffs are a completely different animal than the regular season, check out his excellent game tape thread. There are reasons to criticize J.B. Bickerstaff’s coaching (prioritizing defense over shooting, the Kevin Love debacle), but starting Caris LeVert is not one of them… in fact, if anything Bickerstaff should be criticized for so easily abandoning it during the regular season instead of letting it cook and build the chemistry necessary to endure the playoff crucible. Here’s to hoping J.B. will find his inner Mike Brown and get this offense going.
Tip off is scheduled for 1:00PM Eastern time and will be broadcasted live on Bally Sports Ohio/Great Lakes, and nationally televised on ABC, Go Cavs!
Mitchell not trusting his teammates.
Can you blame him?
Okoro has been good. You gotta trust your teammates.
Garbage calls
We barely have players JB can “trust” and now Caris, DG, Cedi with 2.
and now 2 fouls by DM.. DM forcing the shots.
You cant teach effort.. and right now Knicks beating them..
Cavs just staring at loose balls. Ridiculous. Get this lineup off the floor.
I can see Robinson eating you alive on the boards, but they’ve been letting Hartenstein own them all series, too.
I mean on some of these rebounds, it’s not even a positioning and boxing out issue, it’s the Knicks just making a better effort to get to loose balls.
atleast we scored 23 points (10/19=53%)..but gave up 30 points..
QUIT TURNING THE BALL OVER DONNIE
Not trusting his teammates
Ice! Great move!
Rubio and OKoro on the court again, WTF…. immediate Mitchell double.
we need spacing.. lucky Okoro made those two driving scores.
Cavs have got to set better screens.
Good hands Mobley, Mobley and Caris look good, punt the rest of these guys into the Sun.
I’d consider Stevens on Hart. Just match his energy and intensity.
Hart is just going to own them all day.
Ricky’s been good so far. Cavs gotta trust their teammates. Guys holding the ball too much.
allen is such a cupcake man
Yeah. That was bad. Cavs gotta challenge him to be tougher.
DG can’t shoot and Brunson has 4 rebounds…
JA getting bullied yet again
Big J Caris.
I can’t watch this garbage. This team is just not mentally tough. Knicks were right. They’re scared.
Cant be giving up live ball turnovers on the road which gives the crowd energy.
Come on JA.. catch the damn ball.
We are not going to win if DG is just missing wide open 3s
We need to keep this game in the 1st half within 5-7.. cant leave it balloon to double digits from the beginning of the game.
NY getting every call.
Just completely sell out to the left side on Brunson. Don’t even react to the crossover. If he he beats you going right, live with it.
oh shit, JB with the Rubio/Caris pairing… gonna need a miracle.
AGREE WITH YOU NATE ON OUR STARTING 5 HAVING MORE TALENT —-OUR BENCH IS WEAKER // OUR ACHILLES HEEL
We’re just not good enough.
Knicks: 3 players with 6 points already.
Last time, Brunson killed us in the paint (9-10) .. now killing us with his jump shots.
Good news so far, we are 7-11 FG, 1-1 on 3’s with 6 assists.
We need to stop the turnovers (4) and giving up the offensive rebounds (3) in the 8.5 minutes of this quarter.
Cavs have more talent. They just gotta get out of their own heads. Hopefully starting to.
I got a bad feeling. All year they don’t seem to learn until they get burned. Always a step behind.
It’s just basketball.
two dunks for Garland in the halfcourt in 4 games in the playoffs. Barely saw it the entire season.
at least he has fresh legs LMFAO
There we go
Smart timeout Knicks.
GARLAND DUNK MOBLEY ASSIST LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
Mitchell just staring at a wide open Garland.
yup, that was awful
Cavs need to keep it simple..
JFC. OOB plays.
It’s so bad. So so bad.
Mitchell turnover, Cedi dumb foul… another disaster in the making.
That foul was just horrendous. Like what are you doing Cedi
reminds me of the DG foul last game on Brunson I think which didn’t even stop his momentum.. just tapped him.
trying to hustle without using his brain.
finally a shot by Cedi!
LET THEM RAIN CEDI!!!!
Turnover out of a time out. What a shock.
JA is a bum, 3 offensive rebounds in 6 minutes.
Go small and try to run him off the court !
Everyone not named Mitchell has been bad. Cavs just down 5 though. Just need to calm down. Set some screens. Stop worrying about getting blocked.
Barret having his way with 6 points already .. NY with 3 offensive rebounds already .
Starting how Friday went basically. Need sone juice out there
Mobley terrible on that post up but that’s also on LeVert for not making the entry pass when Mobley had Brunson pinned.
And fouling too much already.
Our missed shots/ turnovers
Garland layup blocked
Missed layup by JA
Turnover caris
Turnover / walk by Mobley
Evan rushed floater
Mitchell pull-up
BRUNSON IS A RAT
Mobley ugh
Allen pathetic box out cmon
I didn’t think. Mobley traveled.
Rebound mf’ers
Mobley not ready
The Knicks getting all the foul calls so far.
Awful start for DG and Tower City
I’d bench Mobley. He’s a disaster so far.
Sigh. Picking up where they left off game 2 so far
Two offensive rebounds already.
Allen gotta go up strong here.
Mobley. Grab the damned rebound. You cannot leak out after that shot.
Caris lets barret go left immediately
Levert starting again.
Ugh. IH8NY
Would love to quiet that Garden crowd… they were so hyped cause they got a home win .. out there in the streets doing a lil too much. For a first round home win.
This needs to change today !
I’m stuck here listening to Steven A on ABC countdown..
Go Cavs !!
This is put up or shut up time
OH YEAH—-MY MORNING CUP OF “CTB ” —THANKS CLF ——-HELL YES WHY NOT SAM ” MY MAN ” MERRILL –AT LEAST THERE IS CONFIDENCE WHEN THE BALL LEAVES HIS FINGERS IT HAS A LEGITIMATE CHANCE TO GO THRU THE HOOP —–THE OTHER PLAYERS NOT SO ——GO CAVS —-IF CAVS WIN TODAY // I WILL TAKE THEM IN 7—–IF THEY LOSE TODAY IT WILL BE KNICKS IN 6
If the Cavs win today I’ll do a complete 360 then a 180 and have them winning in 7.
Yeah I could see them winning today and then whatever they did not working in G5 and then we hate everything again.
Lol the struggle of a fan.