
Rebuilding the Cavs: Krazy Koby’s Trade Lot
2023-05-25Watching the NBA playoffs this season, it’s hard not to make a list of pieces the Cavs need to add or replace if they want to make it past the first round of the playoffs next season. The problem I have is that I don’t trust their GM to make the right changes, nor the coach to trust the players Koby adds.
It’s a weird dichotomy with Cleveland: find guys who would actually help the Cavs, and who JB would actually play consistently. It’s not unlike scanning the used car sites then arguing with your spouse over the need for third row seating with every roster building decision. So welcome to our multi-part series on the Cavs’ off-season options that the Cleveland front office will studiously ignore.
It is fun, though, to imagine Koby in a giant kowboy hat hawking player contracts like used cars. If you’ve got a sedan that can rebound, shoot threes, or defend the wing, push, pull, or tow your trade-in on down to Cleveland and make an offer on some of these late model bargains! We’ve got low low mileage options like Cedi Osman, Jarrett Allen, and Isaac Okoro, ready to drive off the lot and down your lane! (Or to park in the corner all game.)
The 2017 model year Cedi Osman has a $6.7 million 2023-2024 salary that becomes guaranteed on June 29. At first glance, Cedi’s salary is a bargain for a bench wing in his prime capable of averaging double digits. Lord knows the Cavs need wings; bringing back a guy who can play at a replacement level and is a three level scorer seems like a no-brainer. But with a service department that started Llama Stevens 21 games to Cedi’s two, it’s a fair question to ask: “Why keep Cedi if the coach won’t play him?” and also, maybe Cedi deserves to go to a team that believes in him (#FreeCedi).
The Cavs have four options with Osman: guarantee his 23-24 salary and bring him back, guarantee his 23-24 salary and trade him, don’t guarantee his salary and release him, or – most intriguingly – trade him before the end of the season and let the team who receives him release him. Why would either team do that? The Cavs could add a player under contract for next season while the receiving team could clear their books. This would also let the Cavs add salary before using any of their exceptions.
So if the Cavs are adding players, what do they need? I contend the Cavs need either a stretch 4-5 or a stretch 3-4 who can play the power forward when Mobley moves to center, or, preferably, both. How about someone who can play five positions?
Slo-mo isn’t sexy, and he reportedly clashed with teammates which finally blew up with an in-game altercation with teammate Rudy Gobert, who punched Kyle in the chest after he told Rudy to ‘shut the f— up, b—-.’ I mean sign me up for that guy right now. I would have killed for someone to challenge Jarrett Allen like that. The Cavs could use a vet who terrifies their young guys and plays with anger. Roy Kent, anyone?
Anderson fills several holes on the team as well. He’s an elite defender who ranks in the top 20% for steals and blocks. He’s a solid rebounder, who can literally play and guard every position on the court (though shooting guard is a stretch). Slo-mo isn’t a prolific three point shooter, but he’s not a guy you have to hide in the corner either. He shot 41% from deep last year, on 1.5 attempts a game, and two seasons ago hit 36% on 3.8 attempts. Yeah, his release is (sometimes painfully) slow, but if he actually forces teams to guard him from the corner, I can live with it. Also, he’s a guy who JB would trust with starter’s minutes. Here’s highlights from a random game.
Kyle’s good enough that the Cavs might have to add more to make that deal work, and that leads to looking at Cleveland’s embarrassingly bare-ass lot of tradeable assets. It’s also a bit like trading a sexy European coupe for a very utilitarian cargo van, but if Cleveland could pull it off, it would be totally worth it as opposed to letting Cedi drive off the lot.
Other interesting players who fit that salary slot and might be available include Washington’s Delon Wright (steal master), San Antonio’s Zach Collins (playable third big), Brooklyn’s Royce O’Neal (Spida’s three point shooting best friend), Dallas’ Maxi Kleber and/or Reggie Bullock (😬) , the Clippers’ Robert Covington (Eli’s stretch big of choice) and pretty much anyone making 4-11 million.
The other big decision is what to do with the Jarrett Allen. Allen had a brutal series against the Kicks, and likely his value is at an all-time low, but it’s still better than Okoro’s. Also, consider that the list of teams who could use a $20 mil vertical rim threat and defender is surprisingly short. A lot of teams already have that guy, but there are a few who dont. Dallas, Houston, Portland, and the Suns come to mind. All four are looking to significantly improve their rosters going into next season, and frankly from a contract value standpoint, Jarrett Allen makes a lot more sense than DeAndre Ayton. Let’s look at some options for moving Allen with the goal of returning shooting and rebounding.
In this scenario the Cavs move Allen for Christian Wood, a very good offensive player and someone who has been a feckless defender at best. But the dude racks up counting stats like a fiend.
Wood also annoyed and irritated his teammates and coaches in Houston and Dallas. That being said, there’s a lot of annoying teammates and coaches in Houston and Dallas, and more importantly, what’s the point of having a culture setting defensive minded coach if he can’t make a mediocre defender and a locker room shit-ass… better?
The Cavs could also move Allen for Tim Hardaway Junior and one of Kleber or Powell, but I doubt Dallas wants to move THJ. They don’t have a ton of shooting as it is.
Nimble SUV for a Bosnian box truck, anyone? Here the Cavs move the switchable defender and vertical threat, Allen, for a more ground bound Jusef Nurkic, who can defensive rebound with the best of them, has range out to the three, and sets better screens. What the Cavs lose in this trade defensively, they gain in offense (marginally). For the difference in talent, the Cavs get a first rounder for their trouble, that they could hopefully flip for another upgrade.
Assuming the Rockets sign Harden, they’re going to need more pros. Enter Jarrett Allen. Here, Houston gives up three assets to trade Allen into cap space, the Clippers help the Cavs fill their hole at center, and they get Roco off their books. As deep as Steve Ballmer is in the luxury tax, I’m sure the Clips will be looking for a way to move him. For roster spots, Kenyon Martin Jr. takes Lamar Stevens’ spot, while Tari Eason gives Mobley a power forward that much better complements Evan’s skillset. The Cavs would still likely have to add another big in the free agent market.
Finally, given that the Cavs are “dangling” the human equivalent of a muscle car, Isaac Okoro, to try to “improve their roster.” Who could use a good defensive wing who’s just 22 and has every potential to keep improving on offense? I still say that theoretical Isaac Okoro is still better than anyone they could actually get for Okoro. I’d rather roll the dice on another year of development than move him. I mean the much maligned move to start Okoro at the three against the Knicks was not nearly as bad as many would tell you. Garland, Mitchell, Okoro, Mobley, and Allen were Cleveland’s third most used lineup in the playoffs and had a net rating of 13.3 in 22 minutes. In the regular season, it was +6.9 with a true shooting over 60. The dude’s about to break out. (I will keep saying this till he’s 35).
But if Koby were to move Ice…
Everybody gets a team option! The Cavs get Alec Burks to split time at the three with Caris. Alec’s a knockdown shooter now,l and a very refined offensive player who doesn’t kill you on D. Isaiah Stewart is likely the odd man out in Detroit’s attempt to acquire all the Association’s busted big men instead of playing Jalen Duren. Stewart would do well in The Land as a third big who can rebound, hit the occasional three, block some shots, and goon it up a bit. Lamar’s in there to make the salaries work.
I know. This one is pie-in-the-sky BS. I mean Okoro would help Charlotte, giving them a real defensive wing that can run in transition with LaMelo. But there’s no way they’re eating Rubio’s contract. Especially in a sign-and trade, even if he would be the perfect mentor for LaMelo. Personally, I know Ricky’s gonna be just fine next season, but if you did want to do a deal with Charlotte, it would have to be dumb. They only do dumb trades. You could do worse, though, than adding a decent stretch four in PJ Washington and a gunner who really broke out this last season in Svi.
“You wanna get nuts? Let’s get nuts.” if you’ve been watching the playoffs, you know by now that Michael Keaton reprised his role as Batman for the new Flash movie. Yay, we’re resurrecting the multi-verse yet again! But the fun thing about the line featured in all the trailers is that he stole it from a famous Seinfeld episode, which stole it 1989’s Batman, so it’s all come full circle, just like these dopey trades.
The first Bulls trade brings Javonte Green on a sign and trade: a quality bench wing. It also adds our old pal ‘Dre Drummond (who solves defensive rebounding problems, and adds so many others). Finally, it adds DJJr, an athletic if undersized wing who got all the way up to 34% on triples, when he was absolutely wide open last year. The Bulls make the move to clear salary and add a young prospect, and the Cavs do it to add rebounding and wings who are no better than the one the Cavs are giving up.
Last and certainly least is the DeMar DeRozan sell your frickin’ soul, four Chevys for a Caddytrade. Man he would annoy me in a Cavs uni: all the isos, the grifting, the flops. Even though these older Cadillacs have a terrible resale and get shitty mileage, the DeRozan has been a reliable scorer and defender, even if his game is ugly and his salary is a bear. Ricky gives the Bulls an emergency point guard and everyone else is salary.
The options aren’t great here. The Cavs will probably end up hanging onto to their fleet of Cedi, Allen, and Ice but who knows? I, for one, wanna start getting nuts. Let’s start kicking tires all over The Association. Gimme your ideas.
Next up, we look at the Cavs’ ability to add free agents, and who they could sign at the wing. Stay tuned and Go Cavs.
happt KLove gets another championship series on his resume..
Kevin love has made the finals in every playoffs he’s played in.
yes.. pull the prima dona impostors.. celtics max boys are absolute panty-waists.. combined 2-13 on 3s
Head for the exits, folks…hope you enjoyed the game…
just a psvch-op till the buzzer.. he who folds loses
Not sure how that wasn’t a foul, but okay…Smart would have flopped hard there to ‘sell’ it…
9 pts in 8 min in q4 of game 7 of conference finals.. the epitome, and definition going forward, of overpaid prima donas shitting the bed..
Turning out to be a wonderful evening.
Tatum injury probably the biggest play of the game.
pity the janitorial crew.. there will piss and scheit everywhere, as the depends overflow.. including in the club house..
Listen to that phenomenal crowd. You know they still believe!
This is the moat Celtics thing ever.
83-68.. 9m left.. time to step on the neck and wait for crapping.. go heat.. losing in gm 7 in the gahden is much more painful than being swept..
It makes the Boston comeback from 3 down all worth it really.
the heat will lose to denver in 4 and not come closer than 20 in any game.. but still worth it to torch the tatum-brown max boys
Absolutely
Smart is gonna flop his ass off down the stretch. Look for much more of that.
Grant Williams -25 in 12 minutes so far. I did not know that was possible.
He’s capable!
Knock out these frauds.
Y’know … I think it’s gonna happen!!
Bam finally. He’s gotta find the hoop or Miami are cooked.
Why the eff isn’t Miami going after Tatum every play. He can’t move laterally at all.
Another thing I love: player trying to draw a shooting foul but turns ball over instead.
Hell of a fight by the heat.
That was thinnnn
Another Smart flop. Just an irredeemable tool.
Vincent has just been awesome this series.
Bam a TO machine this series.
Very smart timeout by spo.
Is love hurt? I can’t remember.
Don’t think so.
No. He’s just been terrible this series.
we on a moratorium re: Love discussions
thank you
It would help if Boston had to guard Lowry.
Smart is such a moron and clown.
And a flopper.
And bam should’ve shot.
I do love a Tatum turnover
Spo got smart and is playing Highsmith. Criminal that he played zero minutes game 6. He can at the least give them some high leverage defense, and can hit threes.
Agree. He looks switched on tonight too.
Butler needs to stop with the pump fakes. He’s been driving me nuts with those the last three games. Just go up with it, they aren’t biting on that crap. I believe his lift is noticeably impacted by the ankle sprain or whatever, but that garbage is getting him nowhere.
Mami’s rotations so sloppy
But they’re hitting shots.
Miami better hit some shots.
Predictions?
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for years I would often take 100 left handed shots first thing when I got to the gym. but I never got very good, other than tip-ins.
when Horse (called Pimp where I grew up) gets down to two players, I would often go to nothing but foul shots, because I could generally make foul shots longer than anyone.
Just a suggestion.. we should have a open thread where we can comment on other regular season/ playoff games like the ECF and finals instead of putting our comments under the last published post. That way the post can stay filtered with comments about that topic.
You’re 100% correct, sorry I’ve just been away tending to personal matters, will try and get one up before tomorrow night’s game.
I was looking at a discord for a while, but I haven’t had time to get it set up.
No problem. Just something to work towards by next season imo.
Arch I watch my streams mainly on https://topstreams.tv/ and if not, on https://stream.nbabite.com/.
Eric Lewis wisecracks:
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/05/27/nba-fans-joke-about-referee-eric-lewis-investigation-burner-account
In terms of the players suggested in Nate’s awesome post, I like Wood and Slow-Mo. I don’t love giving up on Allen after a poor showing against the Knicks, but I think it revealed that he and Mobley can’t coexist, in the playoffs, unless one or both drastically improve their 3-point shooting. I’d consider moving Allen and Okoro to the bench.
One idea, that’s been suggested in the local media, is trading Mitchell for Jaylen Brown. I’m not sure the Celtics would do it, or even the Cavs, but I think the trade would benefit both teams. I think a lot rides on how the Celtics finish against the Heat and (if they make it) Denver, but I might make that move if I were the Cavs. And I love Mitchell.
Brown is a really limited creator and has the lowest BBIQ of any good perimeter player. For him to work, you’d need to bring in all the actions Boston uses to unlock him.
But if we brought in all those actions to unlock DG and Mitchell, we’d be unstoppable.
So…i dunno. I’m not sure that solves any problems for us. Boston would obviously benefit from a high-level creator like DM.
Incredible finish by the Celtics. I need to watch game 7 somewhere.
Heat should have put away this team of clowns despite Bam and Butler crapping the bed and the refs spoonfeeding the Celtics the entire 2nd half. I give the Heat a 3% chance of winning game 7. You cannot allow an offensive rebound in that situation.
lots of disappointments (aka bed-crapping) this year.. at least teams other than cavs need also to wear their depends..
lol literally every team in the East should feel bad about themselves.
I will be shocked if either of these teams wins more than 1 game off of Denver.
me too
Gotta guard the inbounder, right, Nomad?
SVG said that, right from jump, that they needed a body on White with Strus guarding the floor. Some real leprechaun shit
IDK but congrats Denver for winning the 2023 NBA Championship!
with ya
One of the weirdest games I’ve ever seen, but a great finish.
Did Boston somehow win that?
Holy shizz.
Can’t believe Boston choked that 10 point lead. Looks like Miami is going to the finals.
not so quick grasshopper
I can’t watch the game. I watching the score.
Jimmy

that is clutch.. 3 FTs
Lmfao Boston challenged their way into giving Jimmy three freebies.
An awesome Boston moment for their memory books.
Close game.
Cannot believe Miami are still in this.
Miami’s offensive game is on life support. Still a close game but for how long…
Tatum’s habit of jacking threes may be costly.
Where can I watch the playoffs, without paying for cable services?
Search reddit nba streams
Thanks, but I can’t seem to get it to work. I tried a free FUBO trial but they’re not streaming the game.
Lowry being eaten alive again.
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The Rockets/Clippers trade I thinks makes a lot of sense for both teams, your defense will probably take a couple steps back but I think Martin and Eason could really help this team play faster and unlock some more versatility on both sides. I also think Mobley’s prime position will be at 5 based on what we have seen so far and if he makes a crazy leap within the next couple years and is able to be more perimeter based, it’s always been easier to find a center than any other position.
sure. find one that can match up with Jokic.
Disagree strongly on easy to find a center: more than half the starting 5s have historically been stiffs.
These are so bad lol. Funny to diss Koby and then trot out these steaming piles. How did Koby hurt all of you? Sorry he assembled a young team packed with star level talent. This is like 2013 all over again when the site runners had a meltdown over losing John Leuer
Well yeah. That’s kind of the point. What could the Cavs legitimately get that’s better than what they have?
But also, there are some good players in there.
We naturally hope all the Cavs play a lot better next year. I think the chances of that happening are a lot better for Allen than for Okoro, Cedi, etc. He was in the ASG last year. Kind of a fluke, but still. Trading him now would be “selling low”. We mostly agree that the coach is, at best, not adept at designing offence that counteracts what the defense is doing. The plan for Allan seems to have been “hang around the basket and look for some bunnies” — which is great until the D makes an effort to stop… Read more »
I’m with slow Mo and DDR if we are going old. Truly hate Christian Wood and THJ.
Probably it’s gonna be something like a Clipper wing and Zach Collins and maybe other few guys if we move Okoro. Just don’t need all that much
You still got it, Nate! Loved the used car lot motif
When did Jarett Allen get bad? He was awesome at the beginning of the season I thought.
eye of the beholder
Yeah he’s down a half step from 21-22, but he’s still nice. He has the lowest playmaking skills of the core 4 so is reliant on others for offense.
Christian Wood is a significant downgrade. All talent-for-fit trades give me the “trade Love for Jae Crowder and Avery Bradley” shudders.
He’s not bad, but he played abysmally in the Knicks series. Cavs need a vet to scare the crap out of everyone.
Added a Dall-E Pic of Koby.
That really looks nothing like him.
Maybe a little. I’ll pay it.
one Cavs positive going forward is team character. the trades that bring in head cases ain’t gonna happen.
Counterpoint: the Cavs need a Jamie Tart.
Early or late series?
Yes
Heh.
This suggests that the coaching decisions should we need to fire JB will be easier. The high character guys will buy in and commit to any coach I’d think.
good point. the Mitchell trade moved up the timeline for when the Cavs should contend. next year is likely time for the coach to show if he has it or not.
Good reading, Nate. Of all the options, I think Slow-mo is the one – if one were to swing for changes.
I’m calling for no changes. I know Cavs were punked by Brunson et al, but we know why. Primarily young age and substandard playoff coaching.
Cavs core will get better. My main questions are of Mitchell (Jazz-like failure in the playoffs – is this a thing? We’ll find out next season), and JB (we’ve all got questions).
Basically both those things would be solved-ish by a commitment to a motion-ish offense with a little more pace. Don pounding it for 12 or DG probing without taking advantage of the defensive movements the probes create is not working. And pace gets you a lot of slop and 50/50 balls Okoro and Allen should eat off of
good to see Allen rated higher than Okoro. don’t recall Okoro being in many all star games since high school
Anderson has a sweet looking shot, but man is it a slow release. looks pretty good (at least in a high light reel). agree that he would look on the Cavs.