Live Thread: Cavs @ Pacers (or, CtB Trifecta)
2025-01-14Good evening CtB!
The Cavs are in the Crossroads of America as they take on the officially scorching hot Indiana Pacers for a neo-classical Central Division rivarly/nationally televised prime-time showcase for Eastern Conference supremacy. The Pacers just broke the Cavs’ 12 game winning streak in decisive fashion 108-93 in Cleveland Sunday night. Some thoughts between then and tonight’s home and home rematch…
1. The Pacers are legit (Haliburton Ewing Theory?)
For keen NBA observers, Sunday night’s performance from the Pacers was not unexpected. Essentially their come-up has coincided with the health of Andrew Nembhard, the Pacers young and upcoming guard. The Pacers were already a good offense, but it was their defense that sealed the deal in the game holding the Cavs under 100 for the first time this season. And particularly, it was the defense of the Pacers’ bench that dominated the game with Jarace Walker and TJ McConnell absolutely terrorizing the Cavs. If their defense actually becomes a top 10 type of defense, this will not be a team you want to face in the playoffs. Also interesting that Indiana’s defense became otherworldly the moment Tyrese Haliburton went out with injury… coincidence? Absolutely not.
2. Injuries, lack of chemistry for the Cavs’ bench
Part of the reason why the Cavs’ bench uncharacteristically got dominated was because it’s trying to now integrate a lot of guys who haven’t really played together recently. Isaac Okoro, Max Strus, and Sam Merrill haven’t really played with each other at all this season due to various injuries to all three. Now Ty Jerome and Caris LeVert are also coming back down to Earth partly because of bench lineups being out of whack now for a few weeks due to injuries. Adversity has finally struck the Cavs and now we find out what this team is truly made of.
3. It’s a gauntlet until the All-Star break
One of the critiques of the Cavs’ historic start to the season is how weak the beginning of the schedule is. Now until the All-Star break the Cavs will be facing much tougher competition. The only two games against easy competition before the ASB come in February against the Wizards and Raptors. Otherwise, it will be night after night of playoff hungry teams, and contending teams. The Cavs getting on the positive of .500 through this part of the schedule shouldn’t be seen as a failure.
4. Slop distractions?
There’s also the business side of basketball that could be affecting teams in terms of trade rumors and contract speculations. The Cavs are buyers, and the Cavs also have tax and roster building restrictions coming down hard at the end of this season. Will POBO Koby Altman have to make moves? Will he let it ride? A quick conversation with other NBA fans revealed that the Cavs could lose Caris LeVert, Ty Jerome, and Sam Merrill this offseason, which pretty much eliminates all the talent that makes the bench great. Then there’s Brian Windhorst going on Cleveland radio saying that agents are telling him that players want to come to Cleveland. Are the Cavs young-ish guys prepared to handle the distractions of the trade deadline? Stay tuned…
5. Can Spida, Sam I Am, James Dean, and Strus is Loose find their shooting form?
In spite of the Cavs’ historically elite offense this season, this quartet of shooters really haven’t shot all that well relatively speaking. Now their numbers are by no means bad, but two percent better and this offense goes to even another level. There’s still a lot of improvement that could be made, and that should excite fans for the 2nd part of the season.
6. Start grinding
It seems like head coach Kenny Atkinson wants to re-focus the Cavs’ efforts on defense, and it will be interesting to see how that plays out. One thing that could be done is more minutes for Isaac Okoro and fewer for Georges Niang. Also, will Dean Wade maintain his starting lineup presence? Chris Fedor seem to erroneously report that Max Strus was to start last game. But it’s hard to see that happening given the struggles the Cavs have had maintaining a top 10 defense especially without Wade. Frankly, this team also misses Sam Merrill’s ability to chase guys and play hard-nosed defense. We’ll see if there’s any adjustments tonight especially in a home and home series.
Tip off is scheduled for 7:00PM Eastern time and will be broadcasted live nationally on TNT, Go Cavs!
Oh Lord. The Hedgehog doubling down on “guys should be allowed to do pullups on the rim”, might be one of the dumber takes I’ve heard in a while.
GREAT PASSING EASY FINISH
Agree with Stan. Hate that call.
Buuuut I’ll still gladly take the extra point.
Loooll Mathurin
THATS A FLOP
JAMES DEAN CLAMPS
WADE SAYS NO!
ooh and then yes…
Finally getting some clear space in the paint for the first time in 6 quarters against this team.
Damn Chris. You dead on with this lineup.
4 great defenders around DG and let DG create all the offense, the other guys are good enough on the secondary action.
and they finally rebounded
Attaway DG
Great d Sam.
Darius and Allen gotta be the creator and the hub with this lineup.
just like that? LMFAO
Totally agree.
Like the grit tonight
Playing more physical defense
OH MY GOD PLEASE MAKE A THREE BUT GREAT REBOUNDING
Good D Cavs!! Now just gotta get a bucket.
OK I’LL TAKE THE CHARITY GIVE JA AN OSCAR
Don’t like this lineup at all. Okoro, Wade, and Merrill can’t create anything.
They’re a +30 net rating together this season… it’s worth exploring further.
I like that call.
No flagrant, but no free pass either.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ITS A FOUL MOVE IT ALONG
Dirty Nembhard.
LET DARIUS COOK
Okoro just absolutely useless.
Except no one is looking for their own shot. They’re playing too unselfish.
OH MY GOD OKORO YOU HAVE FINISH SOMETHING
He’s reached Sexton level finishing. I always expect him to blow it or get blocked at this point.
yup he can’t finish worth shit now, sad.
Okoro 2 for 2 and not in a good way.
LETS GOO WE GOT DEFENSE WITH THIS CREW MAKE A RUN
i like this lineup, Okoro plus Merrill, finally my prayers answered.
Get Niang Okoro off the floor.
WTF with these calls? Ball don’t lie
ETF was that foul call?
Oh boy, looking like another 150 to 140 style game
THATS HOW YOU DO IT ICE!!! RAGE TIMEOUT CARSLILE!
SAVE US MITCHELL
Strus way overhelping there. Also, Niang sucks.
WHAT THE HELL IS OKORO DOING????
Just useless.
GET NIANG OUT IF HE ISN’T HITTING SHOTS KA
Defense has to find the energy to lock them down for a few possessions in a row. Donovan’s not scoring 80
Yep
OH MY GOD WHAT A FINISH DONOVAN MITCHELL
MVP STATEMENT DONOVAN SPIDA MITCHELL #LETEMKNOW
Cavs running their press breakers. Good to see
SPIDA 80 BURGER INCOMING
Keep pouring it on these frauds!
Nice to see spida shaking the yips out
Good first Q!
WHAT A PASS SPIDA!!!!!!!!! AND WHAT A SHOT SPIDA!!!!!!!!! 50 BURGER INCOMING
JESUS CHRIST STRUS PLAY SOME FUCKING DEFNSE
SPIDA COOKED TJ LIKE HE WAS NOTHING
Lot stronger with the ball tonight
Niang does something useful. Then gets dusted by Toppin. That’s a tough matchup.
Strus has a dunk. Should’ve taken it instead of passing to Niang
yup, saw that too.
wide open 3 Niang, thats your shot bro gotta make it
I love that Indy has its own mulletted white guy.
Probably an Aussie
Trying to eat my breakfast here and catching strays.
Strus not ready for the pass
Felt like Garland overrran that a bit. Gotta pause at the free throw line on a break with two guys running the lane.
I love the way Mobley attacks the defense.
I SMELL A 50 BURGER FROM SPIDA MVP STATEMENT
Mitch putting his thumb print on this one
SPIDA TIME
OMFG that was a terrible continuation.
Andrew Nembhard is a problem
That’s not continuation.
NICE HUSTLE MITCHELL
Shut up Carlisle!
Both teams locked in, this will be a good one
Cavs locked in.
Great cap CLF. Is Jerome playing?
If we lose him in a trade… 😩
nope, he’s out tonight … yeah that would suck but hopefully Koby wouldn’t do it without address a real need.
I’m not sure Jerome would be very valuable given he’s a UFA with no bird rights. Not sure you could get a better player back
🤞
Let’s smash these frauds!
I bet the Cavs murder em.
Was gonna post about Windy’s FA comment but you got it covered.
Nice work Chris!
Thank you as always Arch!
Nice cap homey
Thank you kind sir!
Go Cavs!!!
I agree, go Cavs