
Playoff Live Thread: Cavs vs. Pacers (Game 7, The Skip Feed)
2018-04-29The previous three potential Cavalier playoff exits were all about the present: In 2015 through 2017, the wine and gold were playing for a championship in that moment. This afternoon, though? The Cavs aren’t playing for a championship. They’re playing for their future: the next series, the playoffs, the future of this franchise for possibly the next five years. It’s a lot to expect for a young squad not to look into the future and focus on the moment at hand. Playing with LeBron James provides for constant distractions. Heck, our fans can’t even stay enthused. Thankfully, I think Game 6 was an intercepted skip feed: it led to a runout, but the series is still theirs.
As for the Cavs roster, there was still some mystery as of last night. George Hill is questionable with Ty Lue simply saying Hill “moved around pretty good so we will see.” Ty was also cagey with the lineup, hinting that they may need more size to contend with Indy inside. I’d love to see Larry in the starting (and especially closing) lineup, but I doubt it happens. Still, I’m picking the Cavs this game, for no other reason than that they tend to bounce back in games like this, and the extended rest at the end of Game 6 will be good for all involved. They’ve just got to stay loose and play without fear, especially Kevin Love. I hope J.R. hooked Kev up with some of the good-good last night to loosen him up (joking). James himself looks loose, after “coaching” his son to another victory yesterday. I hope to see more of these on the St. V’s sidelines in coming years.
To give you a more extended preview and series recap, I’ll turn you over to long time CtBer, Right Down Euclid (the first), who penned this piece on our relationship and Indy’s relationship with LeBron James.
First time contributor/long time commenter/one time hitchhiker Right Down Euclid here. I’ve found myself with a bit more time on my hands lately and as I started typing out a lengthy response to EG’s Game 5 recap a few nights ago, I realized I had the beginnings of a full-fledged CTB post on my hands and now here I am. See kids: anything is possible!
Just a couple of games ago I finally learned from Nate what a skip feed is after hearing Fred McLeod mention it so many times and I decided it would be a great name for this potential periodical. A skip feed, whereby a player passes from one side of the floor to the other while bypassing an intermediate player, is a great analogy for the glory and pain of playing with LeBron. And in one of our many shared similarities, it’s also a great analogy for how my mind works and the glory and pain of working with me.
As we’ve long agonized (particularly lately) at CTB, LeBron consistently eschews system and scheme in favor of his Bobby Fischer-like ability to see plays unfold 2-3 moves ahead and instead hold the ball until making one home run pass with seconds left on the shot clock. On the upside, more often than not he makes the right play and it becomes nearly impossible to plan against. On the downside, it turns everyone around him into a bit player in the travelling LeBron circus. LeBron is the platform and JR Smith is just the Uber driver you gave three stars for not wearing a shirt. And when jumpshots stop falling at a high clip, and LeBron can’t go supernova that night because he’s logged more playoff minutes than anyone else and is bleeding from the face, sometimes you lose by 34 in a closeout game.
I can relate because in my day job I similarly can often see things unfolding 2-3 steps out and go for the mental “skip pass.” But more often than not I fail to bring my colleagues along with my ideas and end up yelling at Kevin Love for making the wrong cut while the other guys go sprinting down the floor in the other direction. It’s at this point my manager will tell me to turn off the Cavs game, stop yelling at Kevin Love, and get back to work. That and calling this column “The Skip Feed” means I’m right on brand when I post inconsistently about random topics that pop into my head.
Back to matters at hand, Evil Genius brought up the analogy of LeBron to the Pacers as Michael Jordan is to the Cavs. It’s unreal that Pacers fans may very likely end up viewing LeBron exactly how Cavs fans think about Jordan. Michael eliminated the Cavs four times between 1988 and 1993. (Incidentally it happened again in 1994 sans MJ with the Bulls en route to the Eastern Conference Semis, which if memory serves me correctly is a similar result to how the Cavs performed the year after LeBron left). No matter how good those early 90’s Cavs teams were, greatness personified was always standing in their way.
If the Cavs can win Sunday, it will be the fifth time in seven years that LeBron has eliminated the Pacers. 10 years from now Pacers fans will be saying “man we had some great teams with Paul George and Roy Hibbert and Lantz’s brother but we just always had the best standing in our way.” Eventually, I imagine the pain will fade and they will appreciate their front row seat to LeBron’s greatest moments. For me, I always think of MJ a little bit more fondly because he’s inextricably linked to the Cavs more than most non-Chicago teams. It’s impossible to properly tell the history of Jordan without telling the story of “those early 90’s Cavs teams that were actually really good” and it’s impossible to show “The Shot” “Michael Jordan’s Shot” without highlighting a lesser known Cleveland team just on the cusp of greatness.
Basking in the glory of “The Shot” after Game 5 sent me down a YouTube rat hole, which eventually took me to a “best crowd reaction” video and to Kobe’s final 60 point game. I have to admit it did strike me while watching the crowd go insane for Kobe that Cleveland may not ever have the same relationship with LeBron that LA did with Kobe. Kobe played 20 seasons in LA and more importantly they watched him win five rings. Now I’m not trying to re-litigate the decision or blame LeBron as our one championship will always mean more to Cleveland than Kobe’s five in LA. But that said it’s striking to think, as great as LeBron is, we have so much less shared history with him than LA does with Kobe or Chicago does with Michael. LeBron will forever be ours but it’s easy to forget his resume was largely written while wintering in South Beach.
At the same time the fact that we share as many tears of sadness and frustration with LeBron as we do tears of joy makes our connection to him that much more visceral, more familial, and more well…Cleveland. It’s been written many times before that part of the reason LeBron leaving Cleveland hurt so much is because many of us saw in his actions a reflection of our own and they do say people who live in glasses houses shouldn’t throw lead pipes.
So while our relationship with LeBron will always be infinitely more complex, less joyful, and less fan-boyish than LA’s with Kobe or Chicago’s with Michael, it will always be more authentic and relatable. Our relationship is with James, the man, more than it is with James, the icon. The movie version will have real highs, lows, suspense and tension, which is something LA fans never really had to experience other than one scene in Colorado.
In season 15, Kobe’s Lakers were swept in the second round by the eventual NBA champion Dallas Mavericks. The Lakers were coming off back to back championships — the same position LeBron’s Cavs could very well be in were it not for Kevin Durant joining a 73-win team. Kobe was content with 5 rings in hand to live out his last 7 seasons in Lakerland receiving only a suddenly divalike Dwight Howard and a version of Steve Nash that spent much of his time horizontal next to the bench.
Kobe had three with Shaq and all five with Phil and didn’t make it out of the first round seven times. Michael didn’t make it out of the first round until he had Scottie and he didn’t achieve anything without Phil. Incidentally, you couldn’t be blamed for wondering whether it was actually Phil who was the platform and Michael and Kobe his repertory players.
In a draft of this piece I wrote before Game 6 I ended on note of hope that LeBron’s Game 5 heroics would serve to inspire Kevin Love and Rodney Hood to rise above whatever it is that’s been plaguing them. But sitting here late Friday night it’s hard to deny that Sunday is all about LeBron.
For the first time since the 66-win 2009 Cavs he’s probably questioning what he’s even playing for. Is it because he doesn’t lose in the first round? Is it because he knows what “The Shot” and owning the Pacers like how Michael owned the Cavs will do for his legacy if he can get one more win? Or is he just that driven that he will fight and claw his way through this 15th season until he’s given his all?
After Sunday he’ll have to ask himself day after day until July: what is he playing for? For two more rings? For 38,388 points? To go down as one of the greats who, with few exceptions, played all of their meaningful minutes in the same colored jersey? Certainly it’s not lost on LeBron the difference between Kobe’s farewell tour of adulation and the twilight years of rent-a-Shaq, which went out with a whimper in the form of a tweet from his home office.
It’s tempting to say LeBron has done more with less than any other player before him but that’s more a statement on the quality of his coaches than his teammates. Wade and Kyrie were LeBron’s Scottie for the last seven seasons and he just so happened to make the finals in all seven of them – losing most recently only when his sidekick got injured or when Kevin Durant joined a 73-win team.
That’s where the comparisons to history end as LeBron embarks upon an unprecedented fourth act to his career. With health on his side he seemingly has a lot left to prove. But he must prove it in a league full of super teams, Processes, competent NBA coaches, Kevin Durant on a 73-win team, and a budding Pacer superstar and his revved up Pacers.
Well that lead shrunk quick.
Why? Why are we not running plays to get Korver going? He has been the only reliable force besides lebron but he needs the shots.
He is 1/7
Really need to stop letting Dipo roll right into those threes…those have to be his highest % threes…
Pacers starting to trap James.
Not a good start to the 3rd.
3rd Q woes!
Boy love struggles against young in one on one
Should never put him in that situation…
So refreshing to actually get rebounds…
TT for the first time in years… looking like himself in the 2016 finals.
This is the TT that used to demoralize teams
Aazing how TT has looked…looked like he should be starting…
I anticipate the Pacers are going to start doubling LeBron more -> lets see if Love/Korver/JR can keep making shots. If that happens and we avoid an end of the 3rd quarter lull, we should be moving on to Toronto.
Yeah. Definitely expect them to try to force anyone else on the Cavs to beat them.
If Cavs keep posting him, they’ll probably put Young on him…
Lue won’t play Cedi even for 5 minutes, probably because he doesn’t ‘trust’ him, but he trusts Clarkson to go out there and crap the bed every game…
It’s honestly hard to even conceptualize the rationale for no cedi based on anything except for dumb bias
Up 11. I will take that. Only 1 TO and that was a steal off a TT O board. Bron off the charts. TT gives us some much needed toughness. He has been fantastic. Korver 1/5, JR 2/6, and Love 2/4 doing just enough from deep. Though not exactly on fire. Playing good D. Nance & Green were fairly solid. Hood & Clarkson not that good. Alarming stat, Cavs FGs outside of Bron (11/16) and TT (4/4): Love 2/7 & 2/4 from deep; JR 2/7 & 2/6 from deep, Korver 1/6 & 1/5 from deep, Green 1/4 & 0/1 from… Read more »
I think the Cavs won’t do the third quarter fold this afternoon. Providing Hood and JC stay on the bench
It used to be done. Russell & Havlicek played 48+ in the ’69 finals (West may have too). Wilt played every minute for an entire season.
Pace is a little different now, and the level of the average NBA athletically is way higher…Wilt was mostly a man amongst boys in his prime…
Pace based on number of possessions was faster in the 60s. It is a different game though.
My biggest worry is that he will be gassed again down the stretch. If he doesn’t want to come out he isn’t coming out though. Hopefully they can stretch it a little in the third so he is willing to get a little breather.
it’d be nice for JR and/or Korver to get red from 3…help clear the lanes for driving for Lebron…..also while Lebron wants to play 48 little nervous about that….think if Cavs play Cedi and get his energy, team should be in good shape, even if for few short minutes
Oh boy, here’s to hoping Harden doesn’t spark a new fashion trend with that outfit.
Confirming what Windy tweeted…
https://twitter.com/espn/status/990654364082737157
play Cedi 5 minutes after half….sit Hood and Clarkson…advise Nance he needs to crash the boards like never before..advise Love to go up stronger than he has ever before….advise everyone to defend like never before….they need to put this team away for good in 3rd quarter
Bookkeeping on LeBron:
–He’s now the career leader in playoff steals, passing Scottie Pippen.
–He’s the first player in NBA history to score 20-plus in 200 playoff games.
Hope James doesn’t run out of gas in the second half. I appreciate him wanting to play the whole game but if they can hold it to 11 or expand it a bit in the third, would be nice to give him a spell sometime then.
So is Hill going to play or not? Wonder if the ‘available but not starting’ is a face saving move for Hill from Lue? Lue can just say he was willing, but he decided not to play him.
If he is injured, he is injured and can’t go. Back spasms are no joke. Don’t why he would say that unless it was some sort of bluff to mess with Indy. That is a stretch though. Maybe Hill felt bad this morning.
Maybe to keep the Pacers guessing before the game. TT starting definitely surprised me.
Indiana’s run immediately stopped when JR/Love/TT came back in. Wouldn’t play Hood the rest of the game. Maybe Clarkson for 5 min just to give LeBron a break from handling the ball.
Actually I’d give those minutes to Hill
Clarkson is not a ball handler we need out there. Jose maybe or freaking Cedi…Clarkson just doesn’t make sense to me cuz he cant facilitate
Dang TT was so close with that flush…
No basket…
https://twitter.com/cavs/status/990654202379554816
Love definitely looks more effective with TT in there…
Honestly I’m real sick of all their 3 rim bounce jumpers going in.
Bogdan is bodying James outside the arc like they’re in the low post.
The Pipe!
If that was called a flagrant I was ready to chuck my phone at the TV.
Oh good lord no way that’s a flagrant. Turner just sells it big time.
That was a joke…
pls no more hood or clarkson. cedi would be perfect. give hill a. few min too or even calderon if you just need some energy
Those two have been awful for sure. At least Calderon might be able to hit a three.
Cavs still with no turnovers vs Indy’s 6
Indy brnging in Bog to lay on Bron in the post…
I agree with Mark Jackson. Lue should shorten his bench. Our bench was putrid and gave up the lead.
LBJ just pure domination. Not sure I have ever seen him more in control.
BEAST MODE !
https://twitter.com/cavs/status/990652687216791552
Please…keep this lead going into the half…
Wish love would try to take a charge on some of these drives
James with a rare miss but he was just setting up the and-one follow.
Lebron punking Lance
Love & TT & Bron with good answers.
LeBron running the offense from the post is so unguardable.
Love with an inside-out three from James in the post.
Is Hill ruled out? If so, we could use some Cedi.
https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/990650170965725185
seriously dial up cedi why is that so hard to figure out
Clarkson shouldn’t play another second. LeBron needs rest, just a minute or two. Someone needs to hit wide open shots.
Figured this game would tighten up at some point. Indy not intimidated by the moment. They don’t go away.
LeBron doesn’t need to play all 48…. hopefully doesn’t backfire in the 4th quarter.
Hood and Clarkson fueled Indy’s run. So soft
Windhorst says Lebron told his family (sitting courtside) that he’s playing all 48…
I hope he’s still got some gas in the tank at the end.
I don’t think Lebron is going to sit in this game.
Bring in effing cedi…these other guys are hot garbage
getting nothing from clarkson hood etc
Pacers making a comeback. Starting to hit more shots.
Cavs are 3-11 from deep on what have been almost all good looks.
Clarkson off early.
We are in trouble. 4 pts in 5 minutes. Kept Bron in and they reel us in anyway.
Kind of still hate those off balance Clarkson midrangers. Would much rather he try to get all the way to the bucket and try to draw a foul.
Cavs blowing that lead quick-like…
Clarkson killing the Cavs again. Sit him
I think he rarely should play…has some size for defensive switching, but usually murders you when he has the ball…
I struggle to see what Rodney Hood offers that Cedi wouldn’t
It’s no struggle. Its zero.
Slow start to 2nd quarter. Down to 6.
Now would be a good time to sub out Green.
Haha this could nearly always be said
It’s always a good time…
No turnovers no fast break points so far for Indy. What a turnaround there !
48 minutes, 24/24 . you heard it here first
Facebook doing its rebuilding campaign after selling my and others info to Cambridge Analytica and the Russians.
Yep, screw them. And I have never, ever been on FB.
It’s way too quiet at the Q.
Oops, not meant as a reply…
Nance was so freaking smart to fake a dice and make Joseph roll out of bounds. Mark Jackson is a mormon sometimes
Jackson sounds like he’d be a good fit for the Jazz…