Live Thread/Diatribe: Cavs vs. Nets (#NoDefense)
2018-10-24As the old idiom goes… “a picture is worth a thousand words.” There aren’t many pictures of Mike Longabardi one can find on the internet… but this one speaks the loudest, intentionally or not. This isn’t a new image to most of you, since I’ve used it countless times thus far in this season’s first three games. It’s been elevated to headline status because I’ve already wasted at least a thousand words on the Cavaliers’ assistant coach and purported “defensive guru” (well, at least that’s how Ty Lue thinks of him), and I’d prefer not to waste many more. There should never be anywhere near this amount of words written about an assistant coach for an NBA team… because they should either be able to do their job, or relieved of said job in short order. Yet, here we are…
So, EG… why the diatribe to kick off a live thread? Simply put, nothing matters for this team until the defense returns to even a marginally acceptable level (i.e. not giving up 133 points to the Atlanta Hawks). But EG, are you sure you’re not just scapegoating Longabardi here? Possibly, since it’s just as much Ty Lue’s fault for both bringing Mike into the fold initially, and entrusting the defensive schemes to him. It’s no secret how putrid the Cavalier defense has been on Longabardi’s watch. Literally, the best highlight you can ascribe to him is that the Cavs were one of the worst defensive teams ever to win a championship in 2016.
Last year was a debacle on that side of the floor, with a perimeter defense that resembled a rusty sieve coupled with a soft underbelly inside that produced a lay up line for the opposition most nights. An overriding excuse many chose to digest, was that LeBron James wasn’t particularly fond of closing out, giving much effort or playing anything other than casual free safety during the regular season. And, that this top-down mentality affected all of the King’s men, resulting in an unconscionable 29th ranking on defense by allowing nearly 110 points per game.
This year, with no LeExcuses to fall back on… the wine & gold are hemorrhaging 126.7 points per game through three contests. It might be worse if LeBron had stayed, since his Lakers are one of only two teams giving up more points per game (the Kings are the other at 129.5) at an astounding 132.o clip. Granted, that number is inflated given the OT loss to the Spurs where they surrendered an All Star Game like 143 points. The problem the Cavaliers face, however, is that unlike the Lakers and Kings, they aren’t scoring 122+ points per game. Yet, even in this wacky new NBA landscape, which has been superheated offensively with the change to the 14 second reset shot clock and the growing run and gun mentality, 112.7 points per game (Cavs current average) should be enough to offset even a mediocre defensive strategy.
Isn’t this an overreaction to a three game sample size, EG? Yes and no… I’m usually the last person to jump to conclusions, and it’s certainly possible that the Cavalier coaches can right the ship a little, and bail enough water from this leaky D to level things off to a respectable level and win a few games. However, it’s impossible to ignore how rapidly this vessel is sinking into the depths. I’m generally not a fan of switchy defenses, though I understand their necessity in the modern game. Yet, they tend to be more effective when the players being asked to execute this scheme have actually played together enough to trust it. It’s probably not the ideal strategy to implement with a collective of young players on a learning curve mixed with aging vets who’ve lost a step. But, that’s not stopping Longabardi and Lue from blindly sticking to the script, as if they still had the ultimate mistake eraser on the other end of the floor.
How did we get stuck with Mike Longabardi in the first place you might ask? The guy who was referred to as “Mr. Defense” during his playing days at Newberry College in South Carolina, got his first job in the NBA under Jeff Van Gundy in 2003 as a video coordinator for the Rockets (so, one more thing to blame JVG for). He wound up as an assistant coach in 2007 with the Celtics for both Doc Rivers and Tom Thibodeau and won a championship with them. Things started to go downhill though, after he was named Boston’s defensive coordinator in 2009. He joined Jeff Hornacek in 2013 with the Phoenix Suns, and helped turn the team around (from 25-57 to 48-34) that season. However, he was fired halfway through the 2015-16 season when the Suns were just 12-20 after surrendering 111 points to a one win Sixers team that was actively tanking.
Enter Ty Lue and the Cavs. Less than a week after Lue was promoted to replace a fired David Blatt, they scooped up the unemployed Longabardi to be Lue’s successor as defensive coordinator. Lue clearly had a lot of say in this, as the two had been assistants together on the Celtics. Mind you, the Cavaliers had been one of the best defensive teams in the League to that point in the ’15-16 season, ranking sixth overall in adjusted defensive rating… despite the blowout loss to the Golden State Warriors that got Blatt dismissed. That year, they finished the season allowing 98.3 ppg. The next year, it ballooned to 107.2… and then, finally, to 109.9 last season.
Is Mike Longabardi the entire problem? No… but it’s not like the Cavs defense could get any worse at this point. It’s clear he’s no longer effective, assuming he ever was, as a defensive coordinator. It’s unclear as to why he continues to be employed by the Cavaliers. If the owner and front office are legitimately not attempting to tank the season, then they should rectify this situation immediately. If they secretly are intentionally heading for the bottom… then by all means let Longabardi (and Lue for that matter) go down with the ship.
Okay, I guess I did the opposite of what I intended… because that was just 1,000 words on Mike Longabardi. The picture is still effective though.
Now, about tonight’s game…
The Cavs look for their first win of the season, and to avoid starting 0-4 for the first time since the ’03-04 season when they lost their first five. Though they showed some fight and determination in their first two games, they’ll need to bounce back from a forgettable effort against the Atlanta Hawks. Most expected the offense to be a work in progress, yet the defense (as noted ad nauseam above) has weighed in at a shocking 122.4 rating through three games.
Kevin Love, Cedi Osman and Collin Sexton will look to have better shooting games, and hopefully Tyronn Lue can start to settle into some recognizable rotations that make some semblance of sense. He definitively needs to at least figure out the second quarter, where the Cavs have been outscored 111-72 thus far this season, allowing opponents to shoot 52% in those frames, while his squad averages just 40%. If you’re looking for positives… Love is currently third in the NBA in rebounding (14.7 per game) and Jordan Clarkson is currently fourth in bench scoring (17.7 ppg).
The Nets come in shooting 48% on the season, so they’re likely to try and follow the game plan against the Cavs and alternately bomb away from deep or run them off the floor in transition. They have Caris LeVert averaging 24.7 points on 65% shooting, and they get Rondae Hollis-Jefferson back tonight for his first game of the season.
Probable starting lineups:
Cavs: Cedi Osman, Kevin Love, Tristan Thompson, Rodney Hood, George Hill
Nets: Joe Harris, Jared Dudley, Jarrett Allen, Caris LeVert, D’Angelo Russell
Prediction: Unless Mike Longabardi gets fired between now and the start of tonight’s game, the Cavs will once again have no defense against a team that can get up and down the floor and shoot the three decently… Nets take it 117-111.
Catch all the action from the Q at 7pm EST on Fox Sports Ohio. And, as always, chime in below… and try not to waste too many words on Longabari like I just did…
Lakers need a center, and Lebron and TT have years of chemistry…do the right thing, Magic…
https://twitter.com/MRidenourABJ/status/1055254485415747584
Did Longibardi really look at that first half and think “we need to switch more guys!”??
I previously predicted that this was a 35 win team. I’m changing my prediction to a 25 win team.
Lower…
The lottery protected pick is safe…
Would’ve been nice to have Harris mentored by korver instead of having hood or Clarkson
Huge mistake not starting Nance tonight.
Pretty obvious that Nance should start…
Jinx
This is depressing. Who’s going to be the #1 pick this year? Who’s the shortest PG entering the draft? Asking for a friend.
lol
Start Longabardi at PG.
Zion Williamson or RJ Barrett here we come. Those two will be great. Of course watch us not get a top three pick even if we have the worst record.
Yeah that’s enough TT and long two’s for me. I’ll catch the recap. Night fellas!
Great defensive adjustment at halftime /s
Brooklyn’s offensive system is light years superior to the Cavs.
Back to just awful perimeter D and unnecessary switching…
We are better on the road
Get TT the EFF OUT OF THERE!
HE’S A CHAMPION NATE
Stop switching please!!
Cavs dodged a bullet on that clear path.
Well it didn’t really matter that Dudley stole that, since it was going to TT, and he’s probably brick an open layup.
Lack of energy here is concerning.
Ok, folks, we’re going to work on something called a dribble handoff…
If only you could win Championships with pullup mid-rangers…
You could in ‘75…even in ‘85…
Elbow Rodney.
Nice take Kev!
They’re playing four on five with thompson out there.
Use the glass Cedi…
Atlanta back in their game after a terrible start.
Bazemore wentvoff in 2nd quarter…
I really think TT would be a great mentor to Carter Jr. in Chicago on his next contract…
Ty Lue with the Pop time out. That is the only thing he can do to coach like him.
Quick rage TO from Ty after wide open Smokin Joe trey….
Joe Harris the Cavs killer
Contest between him and Wiggins for who wants to light up the Cavs more…
Maybe that gets Hood going…
If Rodney hood passes up another open three, he should be benched.
He just did… but at least hit the mid ranger that time…
It wasn’t wide open. The two he passed up in the first half were ridiculous.
You said open not wide open…
Should be benched no matter what. I’d rather watch Korver play.
First half notes:
Much better D, but losing track of basic things like: DAngelo Russel is left handed and don’t leave Joe Harris on a ball swing.
Someone run a damned pindown for kyle korver already.
Larry Nance should start the second half cause TT is 1-9
Clarskon is AWFUL tonight. Jacking so many terrible shots.
Horror show around the rim for the Cavs.
Having fun listening to the RJ on the Nets broadcast, though. Fun jab at Clarkson for taking a “scorers table” shot, when you see a bunch of guys get up and go to the scorer’s table and you immediately jack one up.
Ha!
If we’re going to suck, then Hood, TT and Clarkson shouldn’t play. They don’t play winning basketball and they aren’t fun to watch. I love watching Cedi play. Sexton is young but he tries hard. I’d love to see a starting lineup of Sexton, Korver, Cedi, Love and Zz. Could it really be much worse? Those guys all play hard.
I like this.
It’s a pipe dream. I might need to hit the pipe to continue watching this game.
I think the Cavs are pretty much all playing hard…but too many are playing dumb.
T.T. WITH 2 MORE FG ATTEMPTS THAN LOVE—–” KNOW THY ROLES GUYS ” —-
Grounds for firing right there.
“WE DIDN’T PLAY WITH PACE “–NO WAIT A MINUTE -” I HAVE TO WATCH THE FILM “—NO WAIT A MINUTE –“TY YOU AND YOUR DEF COORDINATOR ARE CLUELESS”——–YEAH TY IS GOING TO WASTE ANOTHER YEAR FOR ANTE—( JUST LIKE HE DID WITH CEDI LAST YEAR )– —POP WOULD HAVE HIM PLAYING COMPETITIVE NBA BASKETBALL— IN THE REGULAR ROTATION BY NOW
Lotta bricks this game… Cavs have noticeably at least tried to run guys off the line in the first half though…
The effort is appreciated. The coaching and talent are lacking, unfortunately.
Yup…
Not sure why we’re playing Tristan anymore. He sucks. LeBron isn’t here anymore, so we don’t have to keep his boy in there. Zz should be starting. I don’t care if he isn’t as good on D. He would have made a boat load of the easy point blank shots that TT didn’t.
I can’t stand TT anymore. It’s one thing to try hard but not be good, but to act like the Cavs are the team to beat – he shouldn’t even be playing, much less talking. He’s done nothing in this league for years. Never improved his shot or his gather or anything. I can’t wait until he’s an expiring contract next year.
He’ll be a solid veteran presence for the Kings on his next contract…
He should at least be Udonis Haslem offensively by this point in his career.
Of course the minute he leaves the Cavs he’ll develop an effective 15-foot jumper.
Lue just loves his offensive rebounding I guess…
Cavs should start Nance in the second half. Also Cavs should consider going small with Korver/Jr at the forwards again.
These teams are destined for greatness…
clarkson missed a WIDE open teammate again with 3 secs left. cmon man…let it come to you
Clarkson has never practiced passing in his life, that’s why he sucks at it.
Kobe school of mentoring…
Or dribbling–like that turnover on the sideline.
SO THIS IS THE HAWKS TEAM THAT SCORED 130 PTS THE OTHER NIGHT ——–DON’T NEED TO SAY ANYMORE —-EVIL PRETTY MUCH COVERED IT IN HIS POST !!
I know ‘Anonymous’ thinks Young is an All Star since he lit up the Cavs, but Doncic looks better…bet the Hawks regret that one…
I think that will end up being by far his best game this year. He won’t do that with that kind of efficiency against anyone else, or likely the cavs if we get our act together.
Yeah. They are terrible. The cavs I am convinced have a much better team than them, especially when they were missing Collins. Just such a debacle last game. Failure on every level from the cavs.
Best defensive second quarter this year…
This is some terrible basketball.
Zz has the best touch around the basket of our centers, so of course he doesn’t play.
Watching the Nets broadcast (with RJ as analyst) and may have to stick around for halftime. They just teased a halftime segment called “RJ’s former teammates have something to say.”
Dekker hasn’t played so I guess that’s an improvement
yikes. Lue just doesn’t do anything intentionally it seems. good or bad…he’s just mashing the controller and hoping he has ehonda
Classic. Very nice.
No Shoryuken for him.
TT’s little 5 footer just money tonight…
TT is straight trash tonight
Tonight?
TT is half of Moses Malone–he pads his rebound stats with misses…but can’t pad the points….
Really nice no look pass from Hood… unfortunately the pass was to TT who bricked the 2 footer…
Cavs halfway to 70 boards…
It’s easy when you miss most of your shots. Man, that was bad. TT should be benched.
Can’t watch. What is the deal with the d? More effort? Smarter scheme? Better execution? Nets woefully off?
A and D
Hmm. Was hoping it was the second and/or third, but at least they seem to be much better than last game at least judging from boxscore.
Effort and focus.
Someone please get a memo to the Cavs that Deangelo Russell is left handed and can’t go right.
Why is Cedi sitting? Because of the 2 fouls?
might be tired? he’s been pushing it for like 8 straight mins
I’d protect him.
Wow. That call was trash.
No foul from Love OR Hill, who the call was on.
Clean block… Kev got robbed…
yeah the ref will want that one back
It was on Hill.
Yet, no call on the clear elbow Russell threw before the pass…
TT has the right sneakers, now he just needs the jerseys to match, and we can go ahead with that trade to the Lakers.
He’d get the Lakers over the hump…
Good ball movement that time…
Big three, Hill!
Hood are you drunk? why did you just run away from russell in the corner?
Nobody but nobody respects Hood’s shot…
least if all hood
Good one!
TT can’t finish at all tonight
Tonight?
CEDI!!! what a cut and pass
Cavs better when they run… but they also struggle to get back on D when they run…
I’d take Kevin Atkinson as the HC.
“Kenny”
Man. Hood has got to stop passing up wide open threes.
how does rodney hood turn wide open looks into contested layups sooo often?!
That’s his game…
I wish Love would let more of those 3s fly…