The Randoms: Draft Week
2019-06-18Welcome to the NBA offseason, Cavs fans, where good decisions go to die. The next three weeks will mark the nadir of NBA intelligence as fans, teams, players, and, yes, writers make baffling choices, express thoughts they’ll almost immediately regret, and take actions that they’ll either celebrate (probably not) or rue (probably) for years to come. For every Giannis
Antetokounmpo that is drafted, some team will sign the next Nic Batum $120 million dollars.
The Lakers started off this festival with the biggest trade in NBA history in terms of future first round picks, by giving New Orleans the ability to control LA’s next seven first round drafts. Plus, the Lakers gave up two No. 2 overall picks in Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball. Neither of these guys are any great shakes, (especially Ball – who Griff will move by next February), but it was possibly the biggest haul ever for a guy who will be a free agent in 12 months. To top it all off Pelinka timed the trade in such a way as to cut himself out of close to $8 million in cap room and limit himself to just $24 million to spread around the Lakers’ remaining roster needs. Finally, somehow, he didn’t get Davis, a guy who desperately wanted to be traded, to agree to waive his $4 million dollar trade kicker. Yeesh.
Pelinka’s incompetence might actually end up helping the Lakers, though. Instead of chasing a third “Superstar” the Lakers will probably have to spread this money over 2-3 role players and help the Lakers fill out their desperately thin roster. This could serve them better long term than Bron, AD, Kuzma, and “insert third star here.” Part of me was a bit baffled with the obsession over Kemba Walker, a guy who is good off ball, but because of his size, isn’t great, and would – again – take the ball out of Bron’s hands.
Lots of people have mentioned Patrick Beverly as a possible replacement for the now impossible to sign Walker, and (injury history aside) it’s a good fit. But PBev has never gotten a big NBA payday and this is his chance. I fully expect him to chase the bag. Something tells me there’s no $10 million part in Space Jams 2 and 3 that could get him to LA-LA land. Regardless, this was a coup for David Griffin whose Pelicans teams will reap the rewards of Laker incompetence for years after LeBron’s two year window has closed.
Yep. Two years. LeBron is 34 now, and will be 35 in December. Only Kareem, Stockton, Duncan, and Malone have played elite level basketball past 35, though Jordan probably could have. But 37? I’m skeptical.
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As for the Cavs, there’s been lots of talk about trading down and also who they’ll pick at 5. I’ve made my opinions clear that Brandon Clarke is the second best player in the draft. Maybe I’ll get the chance to put my case in writing before Thursday’s draft, but in case I don’t, check out the fantastic work the guys at the Stepien have done covering the draft. I’ll also point you to his piece by Cole Zwicker: “The Uniqueness of Brandon Clarke.”
What this draft does have is two historically elite functional athletes who are good basketball players, who know how to play and who can play potentially difference-making versatile defense. One is in his own stratosphere as a generational talent. The other is Brandon Clarke…
Zwicker goes on to note that Clarke, despite having a sub seven foot wingspan, is a “world class” athlete and one of the best athletic prospects in NBA history. Now while there have been plenty of amazing athletes in NCAA history, there are very few that have combined that athletic ability with dominating on-the-court play. For every Wilt Chamberlain and LeBron James, there’s a D.J. Stephens and Jamario Moon. But Clarke combines amazing athleticism with actual, amazing on-the-court play, instead of dunking or shooting alone in a gym.
Clarke led the NCAA in FG%, blocks, offensive rating, defensive rating, Wins Shares, WS/48, and was No. 2 behind Zion in Box Plus/Minus. Oh, and there’s this.
NBA Draft: FG% on 2-pointers away from the rim according to https://t.co/cMFPQ7z5gY (min. 20 att)
Brandon Clarke – 53%
Grant Williams – 52%
Bruno Fernando – 47%
Zion Williamson – 47%
Tyler Herro – 47%
Rui Hachimura – 45%
PJ Washington – 45%
Bol Bol – 45%
DeAndre Hunter – 43%
…— Chris Kouffman (@ckparrot) May 31, 2019
That’s right, not only is Clarke the second best finisher in the draft, behind Zion, he’s the best non-dunking two point shooter in the NCAA. Now I get it, a lot of this is against the scrubs Gonzaga plays in the West Coast Conference. Their strength of schedule was 46th. But lets not pretend that Clarke didn’t put up huge games against ranked opponents, like his 17 point, 6 block game versus Duke, or his 36/8/3 game with five blocks and two steals against Baylor in the second round of the tourney.
But, yes, despite amazing touch, Clarke still has bad mechanics on his three-ball. What is special though, is Clarke’s work ethic, to have completely overhauled his shot in three years, improving from a 56% free throw shooter to 70% free throw shooter, and taking a stroke that would make Shawn Marion and MKG blush to at least a point where you can envision him being a solid catch-and-shoot player. Heck. If Bruce Bowen can do it. Anyone can. That kind of work ethic is special. Brandon Clarke will be a quality scorer in the NBA.
Brandon Clarke 100 percent from the corner pic.twitter.com/XtahE6BB9u
— Chris Kirschner (@ChrisKirschner) May 31, 2019
And yes, I know he’s already 22. You know who was also 22 when he came into the league? Pascal Siakam? You know who was 23? Larry Nance Jr. The old adage that your development curve stops when you hit 23-24 is just not true for everyone, and further, may be a function of correlation and not causation. Maybe teams are giving up on players developing new skills when they get to their mid-20s, when they shouldn’t be.
Anyway, enough talk about his offense. Clarke is going to be an insane defender: a top two defender in this draft. He was the captain of Gonzaga’s D, showed Rui Hachimura where to be, and will be able to guard 1-4 in the NBA and some 5s.
I didn't see it (but I didn't watch fully so not guaranteed)
But let's watch his beaufiful slide steps. pic.twitter.com/HI8XfrEURf— Skyfall (@polarfall) May 17, 2019
I’ll spare you the details, but he’s everything you want in a switch defender who can guard all over the floor. As Ben Werth noted a few weeks back, there are no tradition positions in the NBA anymore. With a frontcourt of Kevin Love and Larry Nance, Clarke can guard the three, because both of these guys have the floor stretching ability to allow Clarke to be a roller/cutter/crasher. Put that in a lineup with a defensive 2 (which Cedi can be), and you have three good defenders with Love and Sexton. Those last two aren’t ideal but as a lineup fit, it shouldn’t be a problem. The Cavs desperately need a backup 4 as well, and Clarke will fit that bill. End Scene.
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Speaking of Collin Sexton, this Darius Garland talk is maddening. I hope it’s just to increase the value of the pick in case someone is trying to trade up (which reportedly, someone is).
Being told ATL Hawks in deep talks w/ CLE sending 10 + 17 to CLE for 5. Also told deal could possibly expand to include Kevin Love, but not there yet. @929TheGame @MikeConti929
— Paul Crane (@PaulCrane7) June 18, 2019
The Cavs hit an absolute home run when they took a gamble on Sexton last year. No one thought he could shoot like he did, and no one saw him adjusting his game as quickly as he did. He’s coachable, unbelievably hard working, and has a malleable skill set. I don’t know why’d you’d hinder him by putting him with another ball-dominant short guard who can’t defend. If you didn’t read David’s piece Saturday, you should. Garland is the Emporer’s New Clothes.
Essentially, this draft is so weak that Garland’s lack of college games kept him from showing as many flaws as the guards who played more games. The top of the guard class this year would not be the top most other years.
In a draft that isn’t top heavy, Garland doesn’t get you anything other than (possibly) high level shooting, and (possibly) handle. He’s not a good finisher, passer, or defender. Sure he can work on his game, but I’d still draft Sexton ahead of him for speed and work ethic. I’ve read in more than one place that Sexton would be a top five pick in this draft, and people are still saying Collin’s best role might be as a bench scorer. But for a guy who completely turned his game around last year and has impressed with his endless work ethic, why would you not give him every opportunity to be the best he can be, and not bring in someone with a duplicate skill set that isn’t complementary? Teams lose their minds a little this time of year.
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I’m betting that Daryl Morey won’t be GM of the Rockets next year. Why? Because Tillman Fertitta seems like an unpleasant man to work for, and the Rockets are a mess. First was the bizarre “everyone is tradeable” news from the Rockets. Then was the “off again/on again/off again” contract extension for Mike D’Antoni. See below for the first “off.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrI3_LhvF14
Then James Harden and CP3 started beefing (as if anyone couldn’t have seen that coming). Now Fertitta is complaining about CP3’s $160 million contract, even “in front of rival executives.” Remember, this was the price of getting CP3 in the first place, as he opted into the final year of his previous contract with the Clippers in order to be traded to the Rockets for PBev and parts. The wink-wink-nod-nod agreement was always that the Rockets would offer CP3 a new deal, and that wink probably probably implied a max deal. But that “agreement” was made when Leslie Alexander was the owner, and before he sold the team for $2.2 billion to Tillman.
There were rumors that Fertitta was balking at re-signing CP3 to the max before he even signed it, and my bet is that Morey took him aside and said it was the price of doing business, and if if they didn’t no agent would trust them again. Well, Tillman is still complaining about it. There’s only a matter of time before Morey – who now is coiffed like someone releasing a hostage video after being held for six months in a Brooklyn co-op – and Fertitta – who is only one Mike Pence away from being the next Cotton Hill – stop blaming the Golden Turd, D’Antoni, and Cliff Paul’s brother and start blaming each other for the fact they built their team around a guy whose game falls apart when refs stop calling fouls.
For all the good moves Morey has made, he’s made some disastrous ones (Ahem, Carmelo Anthony and Ryan Anderson). Morey needs to start over somewhere doing something he’s great at: building rosters out of marginal draft picks, smart free agent signings, and great trades. Meanwhile Fertitta can concentrate on being a Texas sized Vivek Ranadive.
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So this was one of my worst tweets ever.
Love the blog, love the pod, but this is a bad take. You think there is only one woman qualified for an NBA coaching position? Any other woman is a token hire?
— Leigh Jackson (@OysterMonkey) June 13, 2019
Leigh was probably right to call me out on it, and I have no idea if they interviewed Hammond. I wish Lindsay Gottlieb all the luck in the world, and she seems as qualified as anyone.
I followed up that doozy with this one today.
Wiggins/wolves pick + future first for 25, Tristan Thompson, Delly? With the stipulation they stretch Delly so he can be re-signed. https://t.co/l3ivDVAKWz
— HoopsDogg (@oldseaminer) June 18, 2019
Yikes. Still Wiggins is so intriguing… God, someone stop me before I tweet again on draft week. It makes everyone dumb. Good thing Magic quit to do it more often.
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Finally, winning this week’s “Cringie,” the award for the hot take that elicits the week’s most unpleasant facial expression: ESPN’s Kevin Arnovitz. He penned this gem titled “Let Zion Williamson choose where he wants to play next.” Oy. He’s basically saying that the NBA should do away with the draft and let players choose where they want to play.
In a league where the product is the talent, why do employers get to interview the potential employees, but not the other way around? As Williamson embarks on building a global brand for himself over a career whose prime will come and go in about a dozen years, he might even have certain standards about what kind of person or businessman an NBA owner should be. Why is disqualification a one-way street, whereby no team has to employ a player whose character it finds questionable, but no incoming rookie has the right to dismiss an owner he and his family might think is sketchy?
First, the glaring, enormous flaws in Arnovitz’ logic around making players happier by giving them, “a say in where you work and live” is three-fold. One: this isn’t Communist China. No one is holding a gun to these kids’ heads forcing them to play basketball. They’re perfectly free to play baseball, football, badminton, or the stock market. They’re free to be florists, journalists, surgeons, or grocery store clerks. Two: no one is forcing these kids to play in the NBA. They can play anywhere in the world they can get a Visa. They can play in the Big3. They can play in any number of smaller leagues in the U.S. Third: the draft is collectively bargained and the NBA is a success because they’ve expanded to 30 cities and are billion dollar entities in each of them. Restricting those teams to a different share of the talent would certainly fold some of them, mean fewer jobs and lower salaries. Oh, and that collective bargaining also benefits both sides. NBA teams get rights to players. NBA players get the ability to not be signed to a 10 year contracts for 100K a year. The compensation for those rights? Money for everyone – control for some.
I’ll also counter that most people 22 and under are complete idiots, and have no idea what’s going to make them happy. They’re far less likely to have it “figured out” than their agents and parents, which is to say, not at all.
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Until Thursday, Cavalierios. Try not to do anything dumb. I know I probably will.
I really love this for many reasons. 1) The average age/development curve is an average! Because lots of young players het drafted and learn what they will from being in the league in so many years. Older players can also take that many years of NBA experience to develop, but because of the preponderance of young draftees that are successful in the NBA it moves the bell curve. That doesn’t mean 22-23 year old draftees dont learn and grow for several years, it just means there are more younger players that do their learning and progressing at a younger age.… Read more »
I will say on the age development curve older players can of course continue to develop and likely will. However, I think guys with three to four years of college often come in more refined and with a better understanding of how to play the game, eg offensive and defensive fundamentals, how to defend certain looks, how to counter certain d, how to run certain types of offensive actions, and in general often have more refined or advanced skills than younger prospects. They may be able to further refine those skills, but if if a younger player produces well or… Read more »
Sorry if this seems obvious. To sum most guys that stay in college already have gone through the biggest part of their development in my opinion, which is learning the fundamentals of team ball and how to win. Many tangible skills also have likely been refined to a point closer to their final form than guys who have not had those extra years. But even then I think the biggest part of development are those intangible skills based around bball iq and fundamemtals that most guys learn college.
NBA draft Live Thread is up…
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/1141776455598333952
Barf:
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/1141773988466745351
A lot of mocks have Darius Bazley as a pick for the Cavs at #26.
I thing I find somewhat ironic about all the wishing & hoping these raw athletes learn to play & shoot (like Kawhi) and this faulty idea that players stop improving at age 20?
How old was Kawhi when he was drafted? What year in SA did he make the leap?
Or even a guy like Dipo who came out earlier. When did he make the leap?
The imorovement is a function of the work ethic & character of the player, more than age. Though physical toolset certainly affects the ceiling.
I think it’s more that data shows players who can produce at a young age have a better chance of improving than players who only begin to produce as upperclassmen. I do think there is a much stronger argument to take productive upperclassmen (Clarke) over young players who haven’t shown they can produce at a high level (Porter and Reddish). However, given two players with similar college success, I would take the younger one 10/10 times.
Guys I do not want: Langford, Little, Reddish, Bol, Porter Jr, Hachuimura.
Not too high on THH or Dort, either.
If we want a fiesty 2 guard that cannot shoot, pay Nwaba.
Even at 26?
Warriors May Offer Durant ‘Delayed Sign-And-Trade’
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/warriors-may-offer-durant-delayed-sign-and-trade.html
https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/1141755525471842305
Marquese Chriss is the perfect fit…
Trading Chriss would secure Bol with the 4th pick for Cavs. Hate to lose a young talent like ‘Quese but when you can grab a 7’8” 134lb pogo stick you gotta do it.
fine sarcasm my man.. personally, i always keep my barf bag close when the cavs are drafting.. ya just never know..
Listening to a Windhorst podcast: http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=26999886 Key Takeaways: – Ty Jerome is a sleeper pick – Windy thinks Griff wants to make the playoffs next year with Zion (which is why #4 is for sale) – They are high on RJ Barrett (averaged 20 in ACC) – Believe it is a 4 player draft with Garland – Hunter only worked out for Hawks, but they don’t feel it’s important, as long as you have their medicals. – Garland has had some secret workouts for teams sniffing out #4 – The less involvement of the coach and the owner the better,… Read more »
https://twitter.com/RunTheJules/status/1141211950883332101?s=19
CP3 would be an ideal mentor for Scary Terry…
how is everyone prepared for a gumdrop bear redux?
https://twitter.com/HammerNation19/status/1141724823321812993
Maybe. Then again, it was reported a week ago that the Cavs would take Culver with the 2nd pick if they had it. And the other reports that they are desperate for Barrett and are trying anything to move up to 2 or 3 to take him. I’ll be happy when all this nonsense is over and we have Bol and Reddish in the bag.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1141726929852293120
https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba/status/1141729753122033664
I’ve heard his name come up as a possibility for #26.
Late first round, probably. I know nothing about this guy’s game.
Very little known about him. I’m very skeptical of a guy who chose to take a year off rather than playing basketball, whether that’s college, G-league, or overseas. I get wanting to train on your own schedule but there are so many other things to learn about the game of basketball that he missed out on. Definitely a multi-year project. Count me out.
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1141737619883274240
From the post above: The Pelicans could stay put and take either Jarrett Culver, De’Andre Hunter or Garland. But new executive David Griffin believes strongly in fit and New Orleans just added Lonzo Ball and Josh Hart to a group that already has Jrue Holiday. No guarantee, but that makes it more likely that New Orleans’ choice ends up being between Culver and Hunter. At one point, Griffin was believed to favor Culver.
The Atlanta Hawks have three choices in the first round — Nos 8, 10 and 17 — and could move up a few spots, deciding between Culver and Hunter. Atlanta was the only team to conduct a pre-draft workout with Hunter. Sources say he shut things down shortly after the combine and the Cavs didn’t get the workout they were expecting — and hoping for — at the start of this week. (Also from above)
From above article: No matter what happens in front of them, the Cavs are sure to get one of those players at five. Heck, even if they drop back to No. 8 in a trade with Atlanta that shouldn’t be ruled out completely, the Cavs will have a good chance of getting one of those guys. If they go back further to 10 — more unlikely, but Atlanta’s second pick — that could bring USC’s Kevin Porter Jr., who worked out privately for the Cavs and met with them at the combine, into play. Given his off-the-court questions, Porter is… Read more »
Would they gamble on him in a trade-back scenario? How about Sekou Doumbouya, the intriguing international prospect who the Cavs brass watched overseas a few times and scouted at his pro day in Dallas? Indiana’s Romeo Langford also came to Cleveland for a workout and his range is expected to be somewhere between 10 and 20. Kentucky’s Tyler Herro is one of the elite shooters and lit it up from range during workouts with teams. Brandon Weems, Cleveland’s director of scouting, has Kentucky connections.
The Cavs have a board inside the main offices. The prospects are ranked in order. Sitting atop that list is Williamson, of course. But Cleveland goes even deeper than that, with players grouped in tiers. It wouldn’t be surprising to see Williamson in his own tier, with Morant and Barrett in some order in the second one.
In the third? The Cavs are believed to have four names (in no particular order): Culver, Garland, Hunter and Cam Reddish. (From above)
(BOL BOL) The Cavs also view Oregon big man Bol Bol as one of the most talented players in the draft, but there’s a massive amount of risk coming off a significant foot injury that ended his freshman season early and plagues 7-footers. General manager Koby Altman was one of a handful of GM’s at Bol’s pre-draft workout.
Gonna be Reddish and Bol, mark it down.
Then I hope they turn into the second coming Portzingas and Karl Malone.
More likely the second coming of Ben McLemore and DNP – Foot.
Joe Vardon thinks the Cavs want Hunter, if he’s available at 5. Vardon also thinks the Hawks want Hunter, and are looking to trade up to get him at #4.
SI’s current mock draft from 3 hours ago, has the Cavs taking Garland (w/ Hunter going 4 to NOLA).
At #26, SI’s current mock has them taking MATISSE THYBULLE, however lots of folks think he will be gone before #26.
https://www.si.com/nba/2019/06/20/nba-mock-draft-trade-rumors-pelicans-grizzlies-knicks-hawks
https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/1141363478000807940
https://twitter.com/PeterVecsey1/status/1141525948321320960
Peter Vecsey so it means nothing.
Yep, and I’m not sure why the Grizzlies would surrender the #2 pick? They already traded Conley.
TTM—-YES ON THE LAGUNITAS !!!——-HAVE TRIED ” ALL ” THEIR BEERS —THUMBS UP !!! : )
$9 for a six pack of 8% IPA I’ll take it all day
NBA Draft 2019 rumors, news: Kyrie Irving, Chris Paul question marks, intrigue hinges on fourth pick
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2019/06/nba-draft-2019-rumors-news-kyrie-irving-chris-paul-question-marks-intrigue-hinges-on-fourth-pick.html
Pelicans Receiving Offers For No. 4 Pick June 20th, 2019 at 10:18am CST • By Arthur Hill Several teams are attempting to swing a deal with New Orleans for the fourth pick in tonight’s draft, ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski said today on the network’s “Get Up!” program (YouTube link). He speculates that Pelicans executive VP of basketball operations David Griffin could wait until he’s on the clock before deciding whether or not to keep the selection. Wojnarowski singles out the Hawks as a team to watch in the negotiations. They hold picks No. 8, 10 and 17 in the first round,… Read more »
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/pelicans-receiving-offers-for-no-4-pick.html?fv-home=true&post-id=129930
Hoops Rumors’ 2019 NBA Mock Draft
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/hoops-rumors-2019-nba-mock-draft.html?fv-home=true&post-id=129905
I think for the sake of the “let players choose where they play”-argument, it might be beneficial for us to view their employer as the Association rather than these individual teams. The NBA hires them then they shuffle them off to whatever branch of the Association they have the most need. Plenty of us work for crummy bosses in places we don’t love until we get the opportunity to change locations and supervisors or move up and choose our own fates. The analogy is much more accurate IMO. The more I watch of Brandon Clarke the more I like him… Read more »
Apparently I totally confused Clarke and Culver…
Yeah I was confused by your comment. I’m thinking Culver will be there at 5. There seems to be a # of teams wanting to move up to take Garland. Although, Atlanta has the assets, and it’s possible they move up to take Culver at 4.
I’m becoming more okay with trading back in the draft. If Atlanta wants up to the 5th and is willing to swap both of their other two firsts, I’m in it.
Yep I think this is the appropriate analogy. You can make the choice not to play for the NBA company.
SEEMS LIKE TEAMS ARE TRYING TO MOVE UP TO # 4 / TO TAKE GARLAND—–WHICH SHOULD LEAVE CAVS WITH CULVER OR HUNTER / OR DO THEY TRADE DOWN —- OK THIS IS MY LAST POST UNTIL THE “REAL DEAL ” TONIGHT ……………………..AND DO NOT THINK WITH UNCLE DAN JUST BEING RELEASED THAT HE WILL BE INVOLVED WITH THE DRAFT TONIGHT
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1141708762127982593?s=20
Can’t imagine Cavs Dan will be involved in the process tonight:
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1141713891648573441?s=20
O.K. I HAVE HAD MY FILL OF -“MOCK DRAFTS “—“POSSIBLE TRADES “—“WHAT IF’S ” ——–TIME FOR THE REAL DEAL !!!———-” MORE BEER PLEASE OR FOR BUCK’S SAKE / PASS THE PIPE ” : )
😂😂😂😂
I’ve got my edibles and Lagunitas Super Cluster (8%abv) lined up for 6pm CDT. Perfect for celebrating or lamenting.
https://twitter.com/BlazersBySagar/status/1141574161115955200
Hmmm. So they’ve offered 8 and 10 to Cleveland for 5.
Surprised they didn’t take that offer. Maybe that means they’re set on Culver.
I don’t feel like Minny has the assets to move up.
Debating if I should stay away from anything Woj related today and see how it plays out on live TV. Probably couldn’t follow along on the CtB thread :(
We could up the delay for you
https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/1141693921459879937?s=20
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1141688710666346498?s=20
Just wanna say great thread, guys.
If we end up getting 13 & Johnson/Waiters/Anderson for JR, I could see the Cavs taking a big swing at 13 (Porter Jr), especially if they take a floor guy at 5 (Hunter, Culver).
Me, I would just continue to take doubles.
For 13: Clarke, Washington, Herro, Alexander-Walker, Bitadze.
26: Williams, Jerome, Okeke, Kabengele, Windler, Claxton, Semanic, Cam Johnson.
Shooting, defense, or both. If Porter Jr drops to 26, then maybe.
jaylen nowell (guard) looks interesting as a 2nd rounder (may even go undrafted, re stepien).. really liking grant williams as well (mid-late 1st), again see stepien..
https://twitter.com/SBondyNYDN/status/1141475364922941445?s=20
https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1141372773882900481?s=20
I think they should select him and live happily ever after. Kyrie will love him.
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1141536004387422211?s=20
How about
Scary Terry
JR Smith
Jaylen Brown
Marcus Smart
Ante Zizic
Let’s Go Baby!
Why would you send them Zz?
Billy Simmons should really shave daily. What else does he have to do, take calls from Joe House?
https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/1141510563404636161?s=20
Just looked at Miami’s salary cap. They still had Chris Bosh on their cap last year!
They’re competing with Charlotte with dumbest use of the salary cap in the NBA.
Hmm not sure if it actually counted towards their practical cap though. They might still have been paying him, but I don’t think it counted on their cap. Signed before the blood clot issues. Bad luck for Heat and Bosh. Per wiki: “In September 2016, Bosh failed his physical exam with the Heat and was not cleared by the team to participate in training camp.[99] Bosh was initially optimistic in a return to the Heat for the 2016–17 season, and the organization had become increasingly hopeful that he would be cleared for camp. That quickly changed, however, due to numerous… Read more »
Sporttrac confirms no actual cap hit last two years. He was dead cap. Key column is cap figure which was nothing. And I believe they had an injury exception the year before that.
Dang Hoopshype done me wrong
Dunno that one. Like the format and multi-year breakdowns on sporttrac. Specifically they make it obvious what a team’s practical cap is any given year and what contracts are actually contributing to that practical cap. There is another good one I use too, but I don’t remember what it’s called.
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1141541885107941376?s=20
I’d take Andersen. But I’m not Dan.
I didn’t realize Anderson was in Miami.
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1141538125078040583?s=20
He’s be good in OKC, but I don’t see him going anywhere this summer.
KLOVE trade talk has been tiresome for years now. Wish people would give it a rest.
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1141540621481598976?s=20
If they could get Culver, Clarke, and Horton-Tucker that would be a grand salami! And that’s assuming we get Miami’s 13th pick.
Then maybe buy a 2nd rounder and grab Tacko!!!!
You’ll get Reddish and Bol and like it.
I just want Tacko Fall!
I think I would want a guy who currently projects as a knockdown shooter at one of those spots. That is a lot of questionable jump shot projections at the next level.
3 guys who aren’t good shooters in a league where there’s a premium on hitting 3s…. IDK about that.
IDK they aren’t pure shooters, but it doesn’t mean they can’t develop into good/great shooters.
I am incredibly skeptical of any of those guys developimg into great shooters. And pretty doubtful that any but Culver develop into functionally good shooters. Even then I have doubts about Culver in that regard.
People think developing shooting is a given. I am not one of them.
I guess my point is that these guys are fairly young and two of them (Culver, Clarke) have shown some fairly big improvements over the past 1-2 years. I think it’s fair to project that they can continue to do so with their jump shots.
Culver regressed from 3, and barely improved from the FT line.
Clarke went from atrocious from the FT line to below average and has been consistently awful from 3.
I’m not buying “big improvements” narrative.
Well you beat me to it in a more succinct way. Also Clarke barely even attempted shots beyond 8 feet. That seems like a long road.
Yeah sometimes drafting best player available is better than drafting for need, especially when you’ve got a long rebuild ahead. Assuming we have 5, 13, and 26, who you taking?
Hunter, then Culver I guess (hoping he fixes his shot) if Hunter isn’t available at 5. 13 Clarke for sure if he is there. Or Sekou as a potential pick if he is there since you have Hunter or Culver. If neither is there maybe a guy like Washington. 26 depends who is left. Porter Jr if he somehow slips, or another guy that is a high floor/shooter. I should say the cavs should draft a shooter with a proven track record and good mechanics somewhere.
But really I want the miracle 8 and 10 swap.
I agree with BPA. I don’t agree with calling 3 wings none of whom are good shooters a grand slam draft.
For me, it’s Hunter (low-risk) or Garland at 5.
Clarke would be great at 13, or Sekou, or someone mentioned Herro, if you’re looking for pure shooting.
At 26, Cam Johnson, Grant Williams, or Schofield… or another high floor, productive college upperclassman. I’d even be OK with THT at 26 provided you got some shooters beforehand and if you think he’s a defensive terror.
Clarke is 23. About as old as you can get as a first round prospect. He has shown improvement as a free throw shooter. But projecting a 69% ft shooter at age 23 to nba range three in games I think is a bit optimistic. He could still be a very useful and good player. I am just not counting on him being able to stretch the floor anytime soon (like within 5-6 years), and maybe never. Who knows with Culver? He changed his form somewhat and shot worse. I am not sure if that hitch is an easy thing… Read more »
I’d rather choose guys that have demonstrated a talent for hitting shots, than rely on a wish and a prayer.
Bucks are sending Snell and a pick to Detroit to likely free up money to sign Brogdan.
Hoping the Cavs can get a pick for JR.
Getting the Heat pick will be a big boost in their master plan to get both Cam Reddish AND Bol Bol…
“UPSIDE!!!111!!!”
I’d take Cam Reddish at 13.
That spot is reserved for Bol Bol. Need to take Reddish at 5.
Then they can take Tacko Fall at 26!
What do folks feel about Horton-Tucker? He’s a projected 2nd rounder. But would you consider him with the 26th pick?
https://youtu.be/jN20r-KaOGE
FYI: I posted a highlight reel, which is awaiting moderation.
Stepien thinks he is a top ten prospect. I don’t know much about him though. I have had issues with some of their other projections of guys I have watched and researched, but on this guy they could be right for all I know. They have him above White, Hunter, Garland, Washington, Porter Jr., Sekou, etc. I have no idea why because the one article on him was pretty negative on him being a guy that develops a j. I haven’t found a regular or recent breakdown on him there. No idea what their reasoning is. They talk about his… Read more »
Yeah he’s rates pretty well by CARMELO on 538.
lmao… no way I take him over any of those guys outside of Porter Jr… and I’d still roll the dice on Porter Jr.
Dude is overweight, OK jumper I guess, cannot leap at all, not a playmaker for others.
He’s definitely a good defender, I’ll give him that. He’s PJ Tucker without the 100% effort and never-back-down attitude… no thanks.
Yeah Peachtree scouting is even skeptical about his at the basket finishing based on how many easy transition looks he got. This seems like a crazy reach. He does have some insane measurables as far as wingspan for a guy that size. That report does not jive with a top ten prospect in any way shape or form. Unfortunately Steppien does not seem to have a true blue report on him, so I can’t figure their reasoning.
He can’t get above the rim. He uses his body and long arms to hit flip shots off the backboard, but is going to hit those with any regularity?
If he has PJ Tucker’s attitude, then yeah… that’s worth it. But there’s absolutely no reason to believe he’s going to be anything special on the offensive end.
Cavs like Porter Jr, so they will take him with their second pick, wherever that pick may fall, if he’s there. Hell, they may take him with their first pick.
I mean he is mostly projected in the 15-20 range I think. So ok. But God please not with a top ten. That is a dude who absolutely needs strong organizational support and coaching though. We’re trying to build that. Not sure if we’re there yet though. I like his ceiling, but am maybe a little worried about whether the Cavs are the right org to steer him right and coach him up.
Yup…. exactly… it’s all about the support structure for the developmental guys.
Agreed MikeO
I’m thinking of the 26th pick. Porter Jr. probably won’t be there at 26 anyways.
Hawks blog scouting
https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/6/2/18646325/talen-horton-tucker-scouting-report-nba-draft-iowa-state-atlanta-hawks
I kind of like him. I’d take him at 26.
I mean late first round is one thing. Anything above the 20s seems like a crazy reach.
i would take tht as well.. diamonds in the rough.. that’s what were are searching for..
https://twitter.com/Travis_Sawchik/status/1141521426832343040?s=20
‘Draft Bol Bol!’ is all well and good, until you take into account his foot injury, which is terrible for an NBA player. Easy for him to tell NBA GMs to ‘have the guts’ to draft someone like that. And we aren’t talking about a Kevin Durant level NBA talent here.
A foot injury for a 7’2″ guy who is an incredible 208 pounds. Now that is scary. What happens when this dude tries to put on any weight whatsoever?
And he will need to put on weight because in no way does he have the lateral mobility to defend anything but in the paint. Supersized guard/wing on offense, but who in the heck does he defend? What is he at the next level? The injury alone is enough to scare me. Embiid was one thing because you knew what he was and he already had the frame and some weight.
Yeah that’s the biggest thing that scares me about him. If you have 18 first round picks like Danny in Boston does, it’s okay to throw away a pick on Bol, but for the non-hoarders, you’ve got to be a little smarter.
The Wolves would have to pay a high price to move up seven slots, and Pelicans executive David Griffin has said he wants a young veteran with star potential in return. Krawczynski suggests a package including the No. 11 pick and either Josh Okogie or Robert Covington, but acknowledges the Hawks and Celtics could easily beat those offers.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/wolves-trying-to-deal-for-no-4-pick.html?fv-home=true&post-id=129892
Stein doesn’t specify the target of such a move, but Jon Krawczynski of The Athletic presumes its Vanderbilt’s Darius Garland. Jeff Teague is entering the final year of his contract and Derrick Rose is a free agent, so the Wolves may be looking for a fresh option at point guard
tyler herro looking good in the #11-#13 area.. (re CHA, Min, MIA).. we need some shooters
Nets Debating Whether To Sign Irving Without Durant:
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/nets-debating-whether-to-sign-irving-without-durant.html?fv-home=true&post-id=129887
Buyer’s remorse before the purchase lol.
I wonder what the market for Rubio will be? He’d be a good fit next to Sexton no?
Just thinking he might be looking for a one year contract to re-enter FA next year when there is more money and less players.
I doubt it. If he’s gonna take less money, he’d probably want to play for a contender. Plus if the Cavs draft a guard then I doubt that they’d want to bring Rubio in to steal PT.
Yeah obvs no good if we draft a PG.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1141513816737484800?s=20
It would be hilarious if they are trying to move up by trading a valuable commodity like Wiggins’ contract.
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1141515538398683136
Yeah good luck with that.
I think the Pels covet Covington. But Minny wants to rid themselves of Teague or Wiggins.
I’m sure KAT will do it.
bol bol (and other comparables) need their own league with 13′ baskets.. personally, i am not watching a single minute of this fellow.. it’s kind of like breaking the rules.. plus, rather boring.. count me out
According to 538, Colby Whites comp is Sexton and Knight.
Those comps are kind of wonky, as most auto generated comps are. I’m coming around on Garland…would be okay if Cavs take him, although not my pref. I think he’ll be gone at 4 one way or another.
Still expecting Reddish and Bol Bol, and will claim victory if that doesn’t happen.
I think Reddish needs to be taken by the Spurs. He’d be best off there.
Actually based off the scouting on white I totally agree with that. The dx express guys report was eerily similar to what we saw from Sexton this year as far as White’s strengths and weaknesses.
In fact I had made that comparison awhile back, at least with Sexton, when some of the advanced scouting reports and video breakdowns on white came out.
That being said, at least White is 6’5″. Makes the pairing slightly less problematic defensively, at least in theory. Though White apparently doesn’t always play up to his size on d.
I can see White/ Sexton, I meant the 538 comps in general. Some of them are bizarre. (as most auto generated comps are)
Oh yeah. Not sure how exactly they’re generated. Didn’t read the article. CARMELO for prospects sort of strikes me as a ridiculous exercise.
This is my preference for the 5th pick
1. Culver
2. Garland
3. Hunter
Cavs have a ton of big money contracts that will likely come off the books sometime in the next year. Even if the player re-signs, it will be for less: TT ($18.5 mil), JR ($15.7), Knight ($15.6), Clarkson ($13.4), Henson ($10.5), Delly ($9.6). Total = 6 players with $84.3 mil in salary coming off the books. We likely eat some more in trades, but we could have max cap room next year. My theory is go the Nets route. Keep Love. Get hard working, smart guys (who can play) in the draft (Culver, Hunter, Washington, Alexander-Walker, Clarke, Jerome, Okeke, Williams,… Read more »