CtB Trifecta Part 2 (Recaps, Rants, and Live Thread)
2023-01-21Good afternoon CtB!
Here’s a running diary of the past 72 hours in Cavs World…
1. Cavs 114, Grizzlies 115 (or, Another Choke Job)
The Cavs wasted a stellar second half of defense with a complete fourth quarter offensive meltdown to lose a heartbreaker in Memphis 114-115 against the Grizzlies. The Cavs had a lead going to the last few seconds of the game until a Steven Adams putback and a disastrous offensive possession put nails on the coffin while Coach J.B. Bickerstaff looked on with a timeout in his pocket. The team squandered a virtuoso MVP performance by Darius Garland, who clearly outplayed NBA darling Ja Morant. Caris LeVert and Evan Mobley also put in excellent second fiddle performances and went toe to toe with Desmond Bane and Jaren Jackson Jr., two more NBA cult favorites.
While the last minute collapse received the full reaction treatment, the game was really about how Memphis’ small ball with Brandon Clarke and John Konchar completely obliterated Cedi Osman and Kevin Love off the bench. It was simply a bad matchup, but J.B.’s continuous trend of failing to have an answer for small ball needs to be held to account. The Cavs are failing to take advantage of Tower City on offense (Cavs are tied with the New York Knicks for worst post-up offensive efficiency in the NBA) and getting smoked at the three point line on defense (Cavs are bottom five in the NBA in opponent 3pt% at 37.2%). Coach Bickerstaff is forcing the team to make up deficiencies on both sides of the ball when opposing teams decide to go zero centers or one center.
2. Warriors 120, Cavs 114 (or, Dark Night of the Soul)
After Wednesday night’s debacle, the Cavs predictably let down against the Santa Cruz Warriors 120-114 in what has to be the nadir of the Cavs’ 2022-23 campaign. In contrast to the Memphis game, The starters just decided, and more particularly Isaac Okoro and Jarrett Allen, to not give a shit about playing defense. It was the scrappiness of Raul Neto and Lamar Stevens and the offense of Cedi and Love that kept the game interesting. And it was again the Cavs’ inability to punish small ball frontcourt of JaMychal Green and Anthony Lamb that doomed them to failure.
There was a ton of soul searching by everyone in CavsLand, about what ails the team: is it injuries, is it personnel, is coaching? Allow me to proffer a theory…
What’s “ailing” the Cavs is an organizational gambit to maximize the defense and ceiling of the team, even if means costing the team wins. The J.B. Bickerstaff is leaning heavily on Evan Mobley, Isaac Okoro, and Lamar Stevens (~74 minutes per game) to dominate on defense and buy time to let them figure out their offensive games. This move comes at the expense of Cedi, Love, and Neto’s minutes (~51 minutes per game). Cedi, Love, and Neto also happen to be grizzled veterans in the rotation that have a ton of NBA experience and know what it takes to win. When the Cavs shit the bed like they did last night, it calls into question whether the gambit will work or whether J.B. is struggling to balance the two sides between youth and experience. The playoffs will reveal all.
3. Will Mobley and/or Ice make the leap?
There’s a ton of media discourse out there about the advancements (or lack thereof) of the Cavs’ youngest players Isaac Okoro and Evan Mobley. So in consultation with the trusty abacus, it appears that the truth lies somewhere in the middle between “no improvements” and “taken a leap.”
With Mobley, the main issue is a regression of his ability to anticipate on both ends of the court. His stocks are down and his turnovers are up even though he’s being used less on offense than last season. It’s a concerning trend because his feel for the game was his calling card coming out of the draft. On the other hand, Mobley’s clearly become a better scorer and rebounder this season, which is an excellent sign that Mobley works to improve the weaknesses in his game. The coaching staff needs to get him thinking less and playing with more poise on the court, when that happens the stocks and assists will go up and the turnovers will come back down.
The story of Isaac Okoro’s season is the massive leap he’s made on the defensive side of the ball. His reputation as a great defender was more projection than reality until this season. Ice’s massive leap in stocks and rebounds has turned him into one of the legitimate perimeter defenders in the NBA at the tender age of 22. Sadly, the leap hasn’t been there on offense this season, but he’s clearly putting in the work and hopefully will show improvement in the playoffs. The Cavs are clearly rolling the dice that the heavy minutes load will eventually pay off when the games matter most.
4. BREAKING WOJ BOMB
ESPN Sources: After missing seven weeks with a shoulder injury, Cleveland Cavaliers forward Dean Wade is planning his return against the Milwaukee Bucks on Saturday: https://t.co/dSR6mt8zPy
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) January 21, 2023
5. Quick words on the Grizzlies and Warriors
If there was a blueprint for the Cavs to follow, it’s probably the Memphis Grizzlies. Both teams bank on their defenses being elite, and their offenses being just good enough. The thing with Memphis is that they’re clearly a well-coached squad that has overachieved the last two seasons relative to their talent, as opposed to the Cavs who’ve done the opposite. The Cavs need to find a way to win ugly more consistently, something the Memphis squad has perfected.
As for the Warriors, they’ve been a pinnacle of mediocrity in the NBA this season… but there’s no way I’d want to face them in a play-in or playoff scenario. I need to see them dead and buried before I’ll believe their run is over.
6. Tonight, the hospital Milwaukee Bucks
Cavs welcome the Milwaukee Bucks to the shores of Lake Erie for another B-team scrimmage as both teams look to load manage their stars. The Bucks will be without both Khris Middleton and Giannis Antetokounmpo and the Cavs will rest Donovan Mitchell. Luckily for the Cavs, they can correct the mistakes of last night by being professional and taking care of business. Or they can continue to choke away prime opportunities to stack wins and secure home court advantage in the playoffs. Hopefully tonight it’s the former versus the latter, Go Cavs!
SI discussion about Cavs:
https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/podcasts/cleveland-cavaliers-news-and-rumors-donovan-mitchell-darius-garland-evan-mobley-caris-levert
We focus a lot on 3PT% with Okiro & Mobely for signs of improvement. But 2PT% is where they are making the leap.
Okoro: 50.1% to 55.5% to 59.5% this year.
Mobley: 54.1% to 60.9%.
My understanding of True Shooting% is that over 60% is considered elite. Allen is at 65.7%. Mitchell is at 62.3%. Wade is 60.2%. Mobley is 60.0%. Okoro is 58.9%. Thise are our top guys of those who play the most (Lopez 66.8%, Neto 63.2%.)
The eye test on okoro is he is focusing on making his size an advantage in the paint while he continues to figure out his 3 point stroke. I put him in the Tucker or Elliott or Kidd path of improving his 3 point shot while making gains in other ways. I don’t believe it. But I am getting there. Mobley is clearly figuring out his strengths. it took nearly 50 games this year…but he has finally seemed to decide he can’t fade away from further than 12 feet…he doesn’t shoot a hook but shoots a jumper outside of 8… Read more »
Aren’t we all on the Wade wagon by now?
60% TS is slightly above average, which is 58% this season in the NBA
IMO elite TS% is around 70%, which is top 5-10% in the NBA
There are only 2 players at or above 70%. Claxton and Bryant.
Though you are correct on 60 being far too low for elite. There are 69 guys at or above 60%.
Only 15 over 65.0%. And only 1 guard (Curry) and one wing (Durant). And IDK if KD is a wing, really. Split the difference?
Or maybe 60%-62.5% for guards & wings and 65% for bigs?
Collin at 60% and Markkanen (who should probably be counted as a wing?) 66%
According to dunksandthrees.com, there are 15 qualifying players over 70% TS including one over 80%. Also if you read carefully, I said “around 70%” not “at or above.” 65% TS around top 10-ish% in the NBA so split the difference and call it a day. Also, TS% in a vacuum is less meaningful unless contextualized by usage rate. Okoro and Mobley have below average NBA usage rate. Unless a player is >20% usage rate, which both Okoro and Mobley have not been at last recollection, then they can’t be considered anything more than the 6th offensive option on their own… Read more »
It shouldn’t be contextualized by usage, it should be contextualized by shooting. Mobley is third on the team in scoring. He’s clearly the 3rd offensive option?
it 100% should be contextualized by usage, Caris is without question the 3rd option on the Cavs this season. Mobley barely outpaces Love and Cedi in usage.
Whether that’s a good strategy is a seperate question, and whether that will change remains to be seen.
True shooting is based on shots not usage. Mobley takes the third most shots. Caris is not without question the third option.
Caris and Mobley average the same shot attempts yet Caris plays nearly 4 fewer minutes a game, 19.4 > 19.0… and Mobley’s been more like 18-ish% on the season but he just posted a 40% usage rate his last game… so as I said, it’s subject to change but it has clearly been Caris > Mobley so far this season.
70+ percent is about the 99 percentile for volume scorers and about the 97 percentile for regular guys that play based upon epm data. Durant is tops for volume scorers at 68%. Jokic is at 70. Basically the one volume scorers above Durant, though obviously less of a volume scorers than Durant.
60 percent is good. 65-69 percent appears to be the 88 to 97 percentile range and therefore elite. Anything above 65% is pretty rare.
Exactly, “pretty rare” = “elite”
Missed this one, had to work & forgot to record.
Mobley timed his breakout game to perfection to answer Chris’ querry. For my money, Chris puts too much value on stocks. Defensive metrics can be iffy, and I just think he gets challenged less this year. But, Chris, Mobley is LEADING THE ENTIRE LEAGUE in defensive win shares. His reading of the game is just fine.
While I agree that I had hoped for a jump in 3PT shooting, it is about the only area he has not improved. The TOs are up marginally. But he is MUCH better overall. FG%: 50.8% to 56.6%. 2PT%: 54.1% to 60.9%. TrueSh%: 54.9% to 60.0%. REB: 8.3 to 8.9 TREB%: 13.5% to 15.3%. Win Shares. DWS is leading the league. OWS is already higher than last year, and we have 35 games to go. WS/48 WAY up, 0.101 to 0.147. BPM is up due to gains in OBPM. Defense is the same, but up 0.6 on O & overall.… Read more »
Ice is tougher to see statistically for a couple reasons. He is playing 20 mpg instead of 30. He started off horribly and has been looking better for a shorter period of time (though Mobes had a slow start too due to prseason injury).
But the 8ncrease in rebound rate, block rate, and 3pt attempt rate are real. As is the DWS and DBPM jumps. And 3PT% is up to 34% after the horrid start.
Understandably, advanced stats don’t have much to say about players with low usage and a lack of counting stats like Okoro. That being said, he is 13th in the whole league in DBPM. But more than anything I think you can just watch Okoro to see the impact he has on the game.
I’m not sure how anyone could watch Mobley this season and not think he’s taken a huge leap. Especially compared to his underperforming classmates (except for Franz whom we should trade Garland for immediately /s)
Who Dey, baby!
ELDER MOBES WITH ANOTHER STRONG PERFORMANCE TODAY. 26/ 9. CAN SEE HIM AND HIS BROTHER BEING A STRONG TWOSOME
WHO DEY IS RIGHT THANK GOD BURROWS DIDN T END UP ON THE FROWN CLOWNS HE WOULD BE RUINED BY NOW AND PROBABLY OUT OF THE LEAGUE
more likely, he would be wearing a super bowl ring and the Bungles would be picking first for the third year in a row
CRY MORE CLOWNS NATION!!!
haha how dare you. Baker Burrow would be trying to repeat right now!
THATS RIGHT NOMAD WHO DEY BABYYYYYYYY
“WHO DEY -WHO DEY “—GO BENGALS GOT MY “MORE 🍺 PLEASE “READY FOR A BENGALS VICTORY RIGHT CLF
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Woooot!!! Southern Ohio Cavs fan here!
RUMORS WIZARDS MIGHT BE WILLING TO TRADE–HACHIMURA —SOUNDS LIKE BOTH SIDES WANT THIS TO HAPPEN—–SHOULD CAVS PURSUE—WHAT DO WIZARDS ASK FOR HIM
HOPEFULYL WITH A HEALTHY SQUAD AND A ” RECONNECTED—REFOCUSED ” TEAM WE COULD WIN THE NEXT 3 ROAD GAMES—-HOPING SO —GO CAVS !!
WHEN–“NOT IF “—MOBES DEVELOPS A CONSISTENT 3 PT SHOT/// PUTS MUSCLE ON HIS FRAME —– CONTINUES TO HAVE THAT ” HUNGER// DESIRE ” TO IMPROVE LOOK OUT—HE WILL THEN BECOME WHAT EVERYONE PROJECTED HIM TO BECOME —-THE SKY IS THE LIMIT FOR HIM——DEPENDS ON HIM HOW HIGH HE WANTS TO FLY—–BELIEVE WILD THING WILL HELP HIS GROWTH !!
HOPING “WILD THINGS ” ENERGY // ATTITUDE ON THE COURT WILL RUB OFF ON OUR BIGS !!!
Really want this . Would be good response to the two letdowns last week.
OK MY –1 DAY “CAVS BOYCOTT ” IS OFFICIALLY OVER —-AFTER SEEING POSTS ON CTB// BOX SCORE I WATCHED REPLAY THIS MORNING—–APOLOGIZE FOR MY ” PISSED OFF—PESSIMISTIC ATTITUDE ” FRIDAY NIGHT GAME—BUT MAN THAT WAS FRUSTRATING TO WATCH—-HOPEFULLY THEY LEARN FROM THAT GAME —DO NOT REPEAT THAT PERFORMANCE—STILL ALARMING–I HAVE POSTED// ALONG WITH OTHERS OUR SLOW STARTS—ALWAYS AN “UPHILL CLIMB ” AND THEN OUR INABALITY TO “FINISH ” OFF OPPONENTS AT THE END —-THAT “KILLER ” INSTINCT IS STILL A MUCH NEEDED GROWTH FOR THIS TEAM —” STEP ON THE OPPONENTS NECK—-GIVE THEM NO LIFE “…………..” QUICK—HARD —OFTEN ” WHICH… Read more »
I think everyone felt like throwing their tv out after that game, NOMAD. Yr not alone. Welcome back :)
Was looking up something and stumbled upon this article about the worse losing streaks.. Cavs 2010-2011: The Cavaliers topped their own pathetic ineptness from the 1980’s with an NBA Record 26 game losing streak. With the return of Antawn Jamison, Anthony Parker and Mo Williams, the Cavs seemed like they would at least be competitive. Williams, Leon Powe and Anderson Varejao have all missed significant time with injuries. After a respectable 7-10 start, the Cavaliers have lost 35 of their last 36. Sandwiched around a win before the 26 game losing streak, the Cavs had a 10 game streak without a… Read more »
At the risk of harping further on opponents’ 3-point percentages . . . Cavs’ win-loss record at home this season: 20-0 when opponents shoot worse than 45% on 3s 0-5 when opponents shoot better than 45% on 3s Cavs’ win-loss record on the road this season: 7-5 when opponents shoot worse than 38% on 3s 2-9 when opponents shoot better than 38% on 3s If there are three “should-have-won” road games this year, I’d suggest they are: 112-111 loss Dec. 12, San Antonio went 9-for-27 (33%) on 3s 116-114 loss Jan. 10, Utah went 10-for-36 (28%) on 3s 115-114 loss… Read more »
great research.. Thanks. Where did you look for it ?..
Since we have the most comeback wins in the league.. at around 10-12..I feel many times we have the lead and either loose it and come back or just have bad last 18 min of the game.. I would really love to see the our record when having a 10+ lead in the 1st half or middle third.
You wanna break out the abacus for Caris?
One of the reasons why we miss DM.. would love to have him for that 3 game road trip.
https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1615484359955423235?s=20&t=EXbYdzevwChAu68VJpNbwg
Evan !
https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1616224235252322310?s=20&t=EXbYdzevwChAu68VJpNbwg
Some data from twitter…
https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1616239334516039682?s=20&t=EXbYdzevwChAu68VJpNbwg
Pro-Caris Agenda >>>>>>>>>
Heck of a game after whatever that game against the G league Dubs was.
That dubs loss will stick with me for awhile. So angry about that.
JB USING THE BENCH HALLELUJAH!!!!
Yes! 36 minutes for Garland and he was fine down the stretch.
Great Mobley performance!
Needed someone to step up on offense and Mobley answered the call!
Thank you for not going 0-3
Yes!!!! We’ll take the W! What a game by Mobes holy shit
Seriously? How do they suck so much at late game oobs?
Great close!
SUBSITUTE OFFENSE FOR DEFENSE JB WHAT ARE YOU DOING
Looks like they’ve done enough. See y’all for the Knicks game.
Ice see you working, Ice!
Caris running point in crunch time getting a ton of good looks.
We’ll accept the foul but just let us go back and make actual contacts with Allen’s face in exchange.
Challenge the GD foul!
Let’s get Mobley 2 more points… 2 to 40!
Horrible officiating!
Ted Cruz is a scheister.
CHALLENGE THAT
How is that a foul on Mobley when he has possession? Challenge that!
Super flop by Allen
More of that kind of move, Mobes…
Holy Mobley.
And that remains why people are excited by Mobley.
Wow! Mobley!
Oh my! Mobley!
Solid LeVert.
Some lame calls
Lopez goaltender again!
Really good game to this point, hope they can close it out. I think everyone knows Jrue is good, but he’s still one of the most underrated players in the league. Just a wrecking ball.
Agreed. Just an absolute pro and winner.
Obvious goal tend on the replay
Goaltending
Thank God it wasn’t a offensive foul.. felt levert should have passed it to Allen.
Free throws
Grayson Foulin.
Eat it, Frodo!
Whose Frodo? And why?
Portis. The eyes.
Good defensive stop .. can’t leave Holiday beat us.
Mobley leveled up.
Wow!
Bucks have hit 7 more 3’s than us 14-7.. especially in this 4th quarter.. one of the reasons they are still in this game.
Mobley with career high 34! Feed him!
Would love to have him get 40!
Any time Stevens shoots a 3, the other players should expect a miss and gang rebound.
Lol. I didn’t even look. He’s better from the wing.
Ev!!!!
At least we defended that 1 possession..
The one where they defended but Engles hit the three was a heart beaker.
Yes for sure…it was reminded me of last night…
Money again. Cedi awesome.
*Mobley.
Keep feeding Mobes in close.
Mobley with 30!
These wide open corner threes are infuriating. That one was tough, but it’s been a consistent weakness.
So frustrating..
Terrible D on connaughtron.
So many YOLO 3s
Love Andy Varejao!
Did they say what Andy’s role was?
Player development role
And global ambassador I thought?
DG careless gives up 2 pts
Bad / not smart play.