Recap: Knicks 106, Cavs 95 (or, Out with a Whimper)
2023-05-03The Cavs lost 106-95 to the New York Knicks to get gentleman’s swept out of the first round of the 2023 NBA Playoffs. Here’s a retrospective on that fateful night and some other meandering thoughts on the Cavs’ 2022-23 season…
1. Out with a Whimper
Sadly the NBA playoff pressure cooker revealed that the Cavs’ junkyard dawg mentality was more wishcasting than reality. They showed very little competitive toughness throughout the series, getting outrebounded by a million boards. A bunch of calculator nerds have elaborate explanations about “defensive coverages” and “scrambling defenses” as the reasons why the Cavs sucked at rebounding, but real hoopers know that rebounding is purely about effort and hustle, two things that the Cavs sorely lack throughout the series. Jarrett Allen was completely outclassed by Mitchell Robinson and Isaiah “Hard Rock” Hartenstein. Allen’s role on the team is to do the dirty work, but instead the Cavs got a prima donna performance. Will Jarrett Allen ever show the physicality needed to survive playoff basketball? He’s never shown it in his career unfortunately, but hopefully it’s more a matter of his youthfulness than unwillingness. Tower City’s first run in the playoffs was a disaster, the future viability of the lineup ought to be scrutinized next season and into next year’s playoffs should they be so lucky to make it again.
2. It began with J.B…
The bad vibes of the Cavs 2022-23 season began with Coach J.B. Bickerstaff’s idiotic decision to indefinitely bench NBA Champion Kevin Love in late January for the services of teacher’s pet Lamar Stevens and an injured and completely ineffective Dean Wade. With J.B.’s public noncommittal stance towards future Love minutes, Kevin Love rightfully asked and was granted a buyout from the Cavs to join the Miami Heat. To this day, there are still bozos in Cavs’ fandom who wrongfully think Love was killing the Cavs on defense… allow yours truly to re-iterate yet again how stupid that take is when looking at the evidence:
From Kevin Love’s benching, Cavs ranked 29th in the NBA in defensive rebound rate @ 68.3%
Prior to Love’s benching, Cavs ranked 3rd in the NBA in defensive rebound rate @ 73.6%
From Kevin Love’s benching, Cavs’ defensive rating: 110.0
Prior to Love’s benching, Cavs’ defensive rating: 109.8
That’s right the defense without Love got slightly worse, and the defensive rebounding went from one of the best with Love to one of the worst in the NBA without Love. Also keep in mind the Cavs’ schedule was front loaded, so the Cavs should’ve performed better on defense if Love was actually “killing the defense” that much.
J.B.’s terrible decision-making didn’t end there. It continued throughout the Knicks playoff series with zero adjustments to the Knicks’ prolific rebounding, whether it was going ultra big with Dean Wade at the small forward position or ultra small with Wade and Stevens in the front court as small ball bigs. Here are the four best defensive rebounders the Cavs had going into the Knicks series:
How many minutes did Dean Wade and Lamar Stevens play in the Knicks series? 19 minutes combined. Yes that’s right, J.B. Bickerstaff decided to play the two players he deemed more important than Kevin Love a combined 19 minutes in the playoffs.
Despite Cavs’ POBO Koby Altman’s full throated defense of Bickerstaff in the end of season presser, the era of good feelings ought to be over for a coach that’s sub .500 for his career with a 2-8 playoff record, 2-9 if one includes the play-in. There’s also a long documented history of Bickerstaff-led teams lacking any sort of creativity on the offensive end, which reared its ugly head in the Knicks series. There was zero chance that Koby Altman would can Bickerstaff this off-season, which I’ve consistently said here and on podcasts alike. But if another season goes by and another flame out in the playoffs? One would have to think that would force Altman’s hand… the question now is whether that will be too late given the ticking clock that is Donovan Mitchell’s contract. Speaking of Donovan Mitchell…
3. Mitchell didn’t show up
When you’re the superstar player and potential All-NBA player, there are expectations that you’ll step up when the lights are brightest. The opposite happened for Donovan Mitchell, who shrank in the moment and validated the concerns of those who say he’s not a number one option on a championship team. What’s interesting about Mitchell’s advanced stats is that his usage declined (31% vs. 29.6%) and his assist rate went up dramatically (14.9 to 21.6) when compared to the regular season. To yours truly, it suggests a bit of passivity in his game, that he lost confidence and became indecisive once his shot wasn’t falling. There’s certainly an argument that he should’ve shot less considering how his true shooting percentage cratered in the playoffs (51.8%). Whatever the problem was, Mitchell needs to figure it out, because the Cavs are only going as far he is able to take them.
4. Silver linings?
There were a couple of silver linings in the playoffs for the Cavs such as the defense of Evan Mobley (102.2 defensive rating while on the court). Darius Garland, Isaac Okoro, and Caris LeVert found some scoring rhythm in the playoffs. Cedi Osman found some rebounding prowess. Yes this might be grasping at straws, but maybe these positives could’ve been leveraged further with a better game plan and adjustments from the coaching staff. At the very least, the young guys got their first taste of playoff basketball, the experience should serve them well in the future.
5. Thank you CtB
While the team may have lost their competitive edge, the CtB Commentariat never loses their edge. Thank you to all that read and commented this season, it’s humbling to be around the great basketball minds of Cavs’ fandom. It was a fun season, bitter ending, and the offseason should be an interesting one with a wheeler and dealer such as Koby Altman, Go Cavs!
This is over
Brunson rolling around on the floor like a flopping Embiid!
He’s low key a huge flopper…he doesn’t seem to have that rep yet, but it’s coming…he does a lot of Trae Young type bullshit.
Hack-a-Robinson
Barrett hooked Lowry
Did I hear that right? Brunson is playing all 48 minutes
Cut it to 7. Rage TO by Thibs
Looks like this is going back to Miami.
Miami cuts it to ten. Looks like Love was the issue. They can totally come back here.
Yep
Love stinks this quarter.
https://twitter.com/CavsTheTweets/status/1656460749886173185?s=20
I wonder if JB is gonna run a 7 man rotation again, in November. Then everyone can complain about how our bench stinks, because they never play regular minutes.
Not sure what Vincent thought he was doing there?
Brunson is a flopper.
Looks like Mitchell got All NBA 2nd Team.
Another meaningless regular season award.
I can’t wait to see the 51 wins banner in the rafters!
They just showed this:
Knicks totally dominated us with the “hustle plays’..in round 1..
good set of stats
Steve Kerr is bitter 😂 “I think we can be better, in terms of cleaning up the flopping. In the mean time, I give the Lakers credit for the plays that they’ve been able to sell.”
Knicks with 14 points in the first quarter. They are waving the white flag.
It’s amazing to watch these teams run these purposeful, multi action offensive sets and then think the Cavs can compete with their current coaching staff running the same four plays since last fall.
Yeah, unless they get someone other than JB to run the offense, they’re gonna be another easy out in the first round next year.
It’s almost like these teams have played together for more than 8 months
Which is to say those sets will come. Also Boston has the opposite of a multi action purposeful offense, they stink
Josh Hart is having a tough night
Although I don’t think that should be a flagrant. I hate that rule.
Agreed.
That call was terrible. Jimmy Butler kicked out his leg, which was the only reason there was contact at all.
Heat are gonna close this out tonight
Yup
Love gets the first bucket of the game
Jokic so good…basically never makes a selfish play.
the Joker was picked #41 in 2014. The Cavs had #1 and #31, and picked Wiggins and Smoking Joe. Yikes!
anyone recall the buzz about him? teams must have thought he would be another Darko Milicic.
good example of how hard it is to project a player’s talent level.
Big crapshoot minus the rare sure thing type top pick. Even then still a crapshoot. Embiid could have and would have gone number one in that draft if not for the injury. He was a sure thing talent-wise, but no one could say what kind of career he would have given his foot injury prior to the draft. And it took him two years just to play. You occasionally get the rare LBJ and KD type players who are so far on another level coming into the draft you know they will be automatic superstars. But even then, nothing is… Read more »
You forget KD went 2 to Greg oden at number 1.
Ah that’s right, Oden. KD looked like a sure thing. I remember Oden looking like a monster coming out too. Forgot about him because of a career that essentially never happened due to his knee. 105 games in seven years.
Also the Nuggets selected Doug McDermott in the first…
Wow…Braun steal and violent dunk…KD trailing made a business decision…
Jokic is incredible at getting the ball in awkward positions near the bucket and somehow just putting it in the hoop. He had two of those in the last 30 seconds…
Booker good again tonight, but not quite the ghost of Jordan, as he has been…he’s actually missing some shots…
Shamet and Murray about to start swinging….game getting testy.
Murray needs to play better and smarter…maybe that will get him going. Shamet is just a douche.
Porter scorching from 3 in the first quarter, so at least they’re getting something from him after his disaster game 4…
I would be delighted if both teams could lose the series, but Celtics losing at home putting them on the brink is hilarious…
https://twitter.com/nbapr/status/1655996066213265423?s=46&t=bY4x3j1vSVg0eEzSR2-c1Q
Congrats Evan !!
Youngest ever to do this !
Awesome!
Congrats to Mobes!
Amazing for him to be this good on defense so quickly! And his defense is one of the few things that “wasn’t” a let down against the Knicks.
Having said that, it’s clear that when he’s healthy, “playoff Anthony Davis” is the best defensive player in the league. One thing he does that I hope Mobley will get better at, is contesting shooters and still getting back into position for rebounds.
Great!
The future is not as dismal as some would paint it.
Speaking of age, Mobley is the second-youngest player in NBA history to be named to an All-Defensive First Team, per the Cavs. He will turn 22 on June 18. The late Kobe Bryant was the youngest (21 years, 71 days at the end of 1999-2000 season).
Mobley is in his second professional season. Per the Elias Sports Bureau, the last NBA player to make an All-Defensive Team in his first or second season was Tim Duncan in 1998-99. Duncan was in his second season.
LeBron has often said that young players aren’t tough enough for playoffs.
I had been regarding LeBron as a lousy GM due to giving up so much for AD and RW. He is looking a lot smarter lately.
Great work.
Congrats Evan Mobley!
Good to see the Lakers take care of business. Missed the 2nd half – went to bed.
Slept poorly last night. Had weird nightmares that the Knicks kept giving up one offensive rebound after another to a team with Kevin Love on it.
Beyond fiction. Some counseling and perhaps some seroquel to help you avoid future episodes.
Lmfaooo same!!!
MikeO, this was written for you.
https://twitter.com/brownsorta/status/1655808114212347905?s=46&t=kAsznihor8Eew3h9SYmSqQ
14pt, 4 reb, 1 steal for Allen, the vastly better G4 loser
lol, not Poole but how about for Draymond? Can be finals bound if Dray joins this team.
triple singles for everyone! no one ever went wrong betting on a slow, undersized, aging big
Everyone but Curry sucked ass in this game for the Warriors…
Payton was actually okay. Wiggins wasn’t terrible, but that’s about it.
Agree, Payton was huge hitting almost all his easy shots 7-9 (15 pts). Curry definitely carried them on offense not only with his scoring but playmaking.. he probably accounted for at least 31 pts (scored) and 14 assists (28 pts) = 59/101 pts..almost 60% of their points scored.
Heck of a win by the Lakers.
Lonnie Walker IV
Pending unrestricted free agent. Just made a LOT of money.
Everything he throws up is going in.
Lonnie Walker IV Quarter
I was hoping he’d maybe shake out as a MLE candidate for us
Curry not shooting well, and they’re getting nothing from most of the rest of those guys…at least Kerr gave up on Poole, so he’s not a total moron…
Yeah
JB would still have him in.
I doubt it, solely because Poole doesn’t even pretend to play defense…
Neither did Allen but he was still in
Enormous quarter Lonnie Walker.
Stayed ready and took his chance. Love to see it.
does he do that very often?
Heck of a game
Lakers hunting Steph on every play
You love to see it.
Draymond barking too much as usual.
Curry just struggling hard with his shot, even on short floaters, but he’s still been their best player by a mile…he’s carrying a bunch of bums…
I wish I could struggle my way to an epic triple double.
Yeah, he’s been great, but has missed a TON of shots he generally makes…this would be a blowout if he was having one of his great shooting games…
Part of it is how much defense the Lakers are making him play D.
yup, hard to shoot when you are out of wind
There was a crazy stat that came up during the broadcast – he is now 0-14 on go-ahead FGA in the final 50 seconds of a playoff game. I had no idea!
HOHO BLOCKED BY JAMES
Curry has been good, but his shot isn’t really falling…
Although that was a big and 1 on a three…
These two teams are just like two old prize fighters. Best fights are behind them but man, you can’t make a mistake against them.
excellent analogy
Wonder if Klay is going to join this game at any point…
The level of offensive execution in these playoffs makes me sad to be a Cavs fan.
Poole is a disaster. I wouldn’t want him at any price, let alone a max…
I have some serious issues with JB, but he wouldn’t play someone like Poole a single minute…
Curry run going on…after he was a little shaky in the first half…(scored, but was struggling to score)
Terrible use of a challenge even had it been a charge
I don’t know if I would have challenged that.
Dumb challenge. It was an obvious foul.
Yep. And even if it was close, they’re not overturning that.
Poole is unplayable.
DiVincenzo has been bad, too, but not Poole bad…
Delightful seeing GSW role players not turn into superstars
LeBron KO’d Green!
Too much Austin Reaves.
No such thing
Heh. Klay on a break, had Lebron in front of him and he wet himself.
Austin Reeves is the Lakers Isaac Okoro w/out the defense
Reeves has handles, is good at drawing fouls, and can actually drive and hit 3’s, jump shots and finish in the paint..
Feels like Isaac is only good when he either drives from the baseline, hit open 3’s or score on the fastbreak.. cant really create for himself or others.
Draymond starting at center
Imagine if Butler was healthy in game 2 and the Heat had swept the Knicks.. that would have been a classic.
Most likely would have been the case if he had been healthy and played. Damn near won without him.
shows how far the Cavs are from contending.
It really does.
True (sigh)
The Knicks are toast!
It would be sweet for them to lose on their own floor at MSG.. when we lost at home those Knicks fans were very loud after the game and even after the game in the hallways, singing and showboating. One of them even invited themselves into a Cavs fan picture… they are just too much.
Looking forward to watching Jimmy Buckets flex in front of Ben Stiller, Pete Davidson, and Spike!
Ba-Buy Hart! Go hustle to the showers now!
Hope all the Knick fans are enjoying watching Miami absolutely own them on the offensive glass…
I just love seeing this sooo muchh.. beating them at their own game.. soo sweet!
Being devil’s advocate….this is more
damning for the Cavs.
Yep and that’s why Korby and BickerSTIFF need to go!
don’t get started
I dont want to think about the what-iffs at this point.. to disappointing.. just need to enjoy Heat beating Knicks at this point.
Randall fouls out 😂 Thibs should’ve kept his challenge.
Miami clank, clank, clank, clank…only
7 up…
Both teams shooting 25% in the 4th
Brunson with a big flop
Love with some good minutes in that quarter.
Why does Julius randle remind me of the cookie Monster? Anyone else catch that vibe?
Yessss!!! It’s his eyes..
Miami teaching a master class on how to run an offense. Maybe BickerSTIFF is taking notes and learning lessons?
Miami has led most of this series.
These commentators are ass….
Iron Eagle?
And Greenberg, Jackson
I don’t mind Ian.
I refuse to call him Ian. He’s Iron!
Sorry, my bad.
😂 you can call him Ian.
Finally someone in the local media calls for JB to get fired.
who zat?
Nick Wilson on the Fan.
appears to actually be such a person: a “drive time” radio DJ — usually the pinnacle of knowledge and careful thought.
Hmmm, interesting. And that seems to haves surfaced right after you got finished training chat gpt. Very interesting indeed 🤔.
The robots are coming for all of us!
If they are currently reading this, I for one welcome our new A.I. overlords and offer my assistance in rounding up others to toil in their data mines.
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1655377461864206336?s=20
So I’m currently arguing with a ChatGPT, who doesn’t believe the Cavs traded Sexton (with other pieces), for Mitchell. Here is there message: I apologize for the confusion in my previous responses. As an AI language model, I do not have access to real-time information, and my responses are based on the data available to me. However, I must inform you that the information you provided is incorrect and there is no evidence of the trade you mentioned between the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Utah Jazz involving Collin Sexton and Donovan Mitchell. As for the Cleveland Cavaliers’ next steps, the… Read more »
Oh, that must have been a dream!
as for part 2, I would change “could” to “should”
This ChatGPT is actually Hiram Boyd.
Or Buck.
😂😂😂
Yeah the training data set predates them
Who is ChatGPT?
Artificial intelligence – the early stages of the Schwarzenegger Terminator.
Great!
I missed the part where Jokic pushed the Suns owner.
Hopefully he’s not suspended for game 5
It wasn’t much. Not even a push. An idiot fan did get tossed for touching Jokic.
The Suns owner seems like a douche as well
Yep.
Just give up the ball, asshole. No one cares about your playing days. You’re a fan.
agree, but it kind of looks like he was just holding it until he could toss it to an appropriate person, and the Joker overreacted by wrestling it away. Someone else grabbed his jersey, hope that was the guy that got thrown out.
That’s all on Jokic. Initiating the action by sprinting into the crowd.
good point. he shouldn’t have been there.
on second thought:
reports are that Jokic was trying to get the ball to start a fast break, and the owner holding on to the ball prevented it, which will probably lead to a fine.
I don’t know the rules this. don’t the refs usually hold the ball briefly on a change of possession?
Which is what makes it his fault for these antics. Players don’t want fans touching them but gonna run into the crowd for a ball. Even if Jokic got it and ran back to the line the ref could very well stop him, make him pass it back so the ref could check it, then the ref could pass it back. So much for 4v5. Nothing says it’s soccer and he can run up to the line and throw it in.
“ball in crowd” and “trying to start a fast break” seems like gray areas of the rules that should be clarified.
that was weird. should have been a T each way.