Live Thread: Cavs @ Pistons
2015-11-17Okay… so it’s not Saturday night. Still, every time I see a trip to Detroit on the Cavs’ schedule, this song plays uncontrollably in my brain. It “pulls me through, comes on strong, and tells me what I gotta do,” so to speak. Sure it’s almost 40 years old, but I defy you to listen to this song and not “lose your mind,” or at least get pumped up for any big event… like tonight when the Cavs end their three game roady (and hopefully start a new win streak) with a showdown against the Pistons in “Detroit Rock City.”
Both teams are feeling a little raw, coming off of tough losses. The Pistons and their burgeoning star, Andre Drummond, got taken to task by their coach, the Master of Panic himself, Stan Van Gundy for their poor showing against the lowly Lakers on Sunday. The 95-87 loss was their fourth straight on a six game road trip, dropping Detroit back down to .500 on the season after a promising 5-1 start. Despite putting up astronomically historic numbers (18.5 ppg and 19.0 rpg) and his tremendous length, Andre the giant is still lacking in other areas (including just 1.4 blocks per game) according to SVG…
“Andre does a lot of great things but he is not protecting the rim at all,” said Van Gundy.
Stan was also critical of his PG, Reggie Jackson, after a nine point, five turnover performance against the Lakers. Jackson has still been the leading scorer for the Pistons (20.4 ppg), and put up a total of 40 points and 17 assists in two games against the Cavs last season after being traded to Detroit.
The Cavs also got an early season ripping from their royal leader for their collective poor effort and attitude in only their second defeat of the season against the Bucks on Saturday. LeBron made it pretty clear how he felt about the team despite their lofty 8-2 record…
“We’re not a great team right now,” James said. “I think we’re a good team. I think we expect we’re a great team, and we’re not. We have to get better in every facet of the game, and that’s every single facet of the game. We give a half-ass effort sometimes and expect that we can just make a run at the end. We’re not good enough to do that right now.”
Much of what ailed the Cavs were focus related mistakes, from careless passes, to failure to block out on rebounds, to a continued poor performance from the charity stripe… all things that will be achilles heels if they don’t clean them up against another long and physical team in the Pistons. LeBron expanded on his comments this morning a bit by tying them into the style of leadership he’s employing this year, and the high expectations he has for himself and his team…
“I’m the leader of this team, whatever it takes,” James said. “So if it’s laying into them, I’ll do that. Obviously, whatever this team needs, I’m going to do. I’m going to hold everyone accountable including myself. I expect nothing less than greatness out of all of us, and if we’re not able to do that, then I feel like I’ve failed.”
The Cavs will undoubtedly look to rectify their sloppiness and avoid giving yet another up-and-coming young team in the suddenly strong Central Division any sort of confidence for the future. The Pistons will be looking to defend their turf and take their best shot at the reigning EC Champs.
Probable starting lineups for the Cavs: Mo Williams, J.R. Smith, LeBron James, Kevin Love and Timofey Mozgov; and for the Pistons: Reggie Jackson, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Marcus Morris, Ersan Ilyasova and Andre Drummond.
Tip off is 7:30 pm (EST). Check out the game on Fox Sports Ohio or on WTAM 1100.
So, …GET UP! ….GET DOWN! …and GO CAVS!
What happened to the cabana meeting? What’s this focal point of the offense $**t. If Kevin Love had been CONSISTENTLY aggressive for at least 5 mins we would’ve won the game. But then again if the team even bothered to set plays consistently for him.. He finished today with 19/8? This guy is a TOP 3 power forward before coming here. That should be his floor every game! DEMAND the ball. He’s definitely looking like a glorified role player out there. Don’t tell me same thing happened with Bosh and they still won. This version of Lebron needs more scoring… Read more »
I think that LBJ has had a very real negative affect on KLove’s game. Even so, KLove does a lot of good stuff out there . . . probably like Bosh did.
I’m starting to think that way at times. Its easy to say here, but it’s definitely frustrating to see someone as talented as him to be just one of the guys on the court. There should be a way for Kevin to produce more than what we’re seeing last season up to this game. And I don’t blame it solely to his chemistry with Lebron.
Bosh is a way better defender and better pick-and-pop guy with Lebron than Kev was. Love was way better rebounder I’ll give him that.
Delly is to blame. Can’t play that many minutes and contribute so little.
LOL. He didn’t play his best game, but he had plenty of company.
Love LeBron mo pulled their weight. Delly played 20 plus minutes and gave us nothing. Can’t have that.
Yea but he’s a backup. The Piston’s backups got destroyed and they still won the game. It’s on our starters, everyone of our starters except Love were negative +/- INCLUDING Lebron at -6
5 assist, 1 TO, and most of those were ‘real’ assists, leading directly to baskets. He didn’t play great, but he hardly cost them the game. I understand your shtick, though.
Troll harder brother..
Oh brother! Rj was a gem for us too
Yep. RJ was 0-3 in 16 minutes. Put up a +8, FWIW.
Lol. I’ll admit that Delly didn’t have his best game offensively, but to put the loss on JUST Delly and not the rest of the team continues to show your irrational hatred for the guy.
Cols is a broken record over multiple sites. Entitled to an opinion but very boring and irrational. Sorry about that but I’m entitled to an opinion too. Goodbye.
I may torture myself and watch the Warriors smoke the Raptors for a while.
Yea I don’t want to watch a team that won the WC against us, and is actually playing better this year.
My hope is that they lose. I don’t think the Raptors will make it happen, though.
That’s the thing, I’d prolly root for the Rap’s to lose since they’re in the East, but that means I have to root for GS. Yuck.
8-3, still in first, hopefully the loss stings enough to learn something from it
Wow, Whiteside w/triple double and they still lose by 12
Cavs don’t seem interested in stepping on throats when they get a lead.
And that is directly related to defense. The difference in the last 2 games is Blatt had TT/Delly do not close for the last 3-4 mins. He really couldn’t do that last game because of length of Bucks. Perhaps in this game it would have helped. Idk
Why is it that when Cavs lose, its because someone sucks, but when they win everything is great. Everything isn’t always black or white.
It’s not just the Cavs. It happens to everyone. Winning puts everything under the rug.
The Cavs role players have been totally absent in road games and Lebron goes off on the first half and then kind of disappeared in the 2nd half.
And his FT’s struggles continue. When Kyrie gets back please just sit Delly and TT’s performance on the last few games?
Road games alway expose team weaknesses…..
He hit 4/5 today. 80% is struggling?
Jackson hit all of his FT’s and closed the game the right way….
Ok. So will Mo if it comes down to us being in that spot. What’s your point.
Actually Lebron was 4-5 from FT tonight. JR, Mosgov, James Jones hurt us at the free throw
See ya Gemo/George…
Well now my reply to him looks odd, lol.
Who?? Lol. The comment monster is hungry tonight…
No, just George coming back as “Gemo” and was banned once again for his abusiveness…
I always attributed banning actions to the monster – you saying the monster doesn’t moderate? :)
I support the banning decision . . . in case you need a vote of confidence.
You say ‘poor coaching’, and have yet to mention specifics. Back up your argument, and you won’t get called out.
I guess LBJ’s ripping of the team didn’t sink in… 12 turnovers by the starters… 12-20 from the line… poor defense in crunch time…
Well it’s November and they’re 8-3, that’s not too shabby. Gotta fix the FT shooting first and foremost, and I think it’s pretty much all mental at this point.
Bring in Rick Barry!!!
Or Mark Price, someone has to fix this.
Revenge game on Thursday and it’s 70’s night.
I’m closing that tab of the game stream, another disappointing loss. I hate watching a game for 2,5 hours and we loosing to a DUMB team like this.
Cavs deserve the loss here. When will they learn?
Once again,Blatt’s poor coaching decisions loses another game…along with very poor free throw shooting
What specific poor coaching decisions?
What poor decisions?
You sound suspiciously like George, Gemo…
I don’t think George could make the comment without saying ‘idiot Blatt’. I don’t think I ever saw him mention Blatt without the ‘idiot’.
He did say “idiot” above… and used the multiple ??? that George often used…
Hmm, good point, missed that…
I agree, better coaching and they would have hit their free throws.
The poor free throw shooting is the only reason the Cavs lost this game.
Cavs choked this one away! Hope Kyrie is back soon.
Kyrie won’t miss free throws.
Really disappointing loss here. Should have put this one away. Still wasting too many possessions throughout the game.
Cavs gonna be 0-3 in the central division. Winless.
They beat the Pacers!
Central Division is much tougher this year…
Definitely agree. Maybe the toughest division in the whole league.
Wait they have a win against Indiana so 1-3
Disappointing loss. Team forgot about a hot JR repeatedly. Blatt has to do something about the unproductive bench, It’s time for Andy. For God sakes, the free throws are costing us games . Are we worse in the league for free throws?
Waited too long to get it to JR and he went cold…
Right near the bottom, not sure if they are dead last or not.
10 pts from the bench. Mind you, they had 8 in the half. Only scored 2 pts in second half.
Game over!!!! I’m gonna quickly erase this one from my memory.
DAMN Porzingis 29 and 11 on 10/17 shooting, 2/2 3pt, 7/7 FTs, +20 +/-.
He’s good. Not sure what his ceiling will be, but he’s going to be a good player.
The kid can shoot and shoot and shoot…. plus, he’s physically enough already for the NBA.
Played great defense against Okafor in summer league.
IDK either, but good gosh…
His fantasy ceiling is Dirk at 7’3″ with much better defense. I don’t see him ever being as good offensively as Dirk, though. Like I say, it’s a fantasy ceiling. :D
I think that’s a great comparison actually… probably not the shooter Dirk is, but damn close and still has the time to get there!
I’ve heard some say Porzingis needs to gain weight, but I don’t know if I agree with that…. I like how “springy” he is now, and added weight might take away from his surprising quickness and fluidity.
Let’s say Dirk-light offensively. I just think he gonna be a good all around guy someday. Someone who can give the Towns and Davis’es tough time in the future.
I like his game-feel as a rookie.
But Dirk is a monster offensively. Monster.
Please don’t put yourself in a position where they foul you and you never get a 3 off.
I would foul us. We suck at free throws.
Charles Barkley: “I foul 100% of the time in this situation.”
Since being 11-24 in the third from 3, we have been 0-7 since.
And with no timeouts left, they could really use a 3 here…
How many games are the Cavs going to loose shooting free throws awfully until they fix this crap. This will be number 3. They should be undefeated. Shoot them granny style if you have to. Ugh.
You’re supposed to have your best five on the floor…poor coaching
Who would you suggest, Gemo?
I WOULD SUGGEST YOUR BEST SHOOTER ON THE TEAM…WHO WOULD YOU GENIUS? ???
And who would that be, Gemo… I mean George?
Nobody is making shots right now. Nobody.
Nobody is making shots right now. Nobody.
Time for a Le-iso brick from 3. Hope I’m wrong.
Hahha I always have this same worry as well
Hey we make half those FT misses and we win this one.
Cavs are never going to make FTs again. Those salad days are over.
Delly with the rugby tackle… although Reggie sold it…
Delly. Is. Dirty.
How so??????????
Sarcasm. Just sarcasm. Of course, just starting the national media on the right scent for their post-game reviews.
Game lost after this
Maybe they’ll get it to JR for the tie?
CAN’T WAIT TO HEAR ALL THE ” WIND(BAG)HORST RUMORS START ESPECIALLY IF CAVS LOSE —FIRE BLATT / TRADE LOVE / LEBRON NOT RESIGNING WITH CAVS NEXT YEAR—LET THE DRAME BEGIN
Put down the Christmas ale and back away NOMAD… ;)
Too soon for any of that. Windhorst is more interested in Chicago right now
Jackson look like he sold that one a bit.
Delly trying to take out Jackson. /s
I love kev(!) But it’s time to question his play.
That was a pretty good look for Moz though…
Yeah, it was as good a look as they have had in a while…I’m sure he shoots 60% from there.
He had. But I bet on it that was not the designated play.
If it’s the Spurs, they scored and executed beautifully.
If the Bulls, MJ made it.
If the lakers, Kobe brick it (well most of the time)
Golden State, Curry will bury it.
It’s only the Cavs that will crumble and make a silver lining out of it.
Gotta love the Kobe disrespect that’s been the flavor of the month lately. I hope you’re aware that he is legitimately an all-time great?
Hey what’s good fanboy?? Kobe’s great. All time all time great. I’m just trying to put some laugh on my comments about comparing crunch time plays of other teams against what we have. Bcoz im pissed on what we’re doing and why can’t we do it like those other great teams do. So no hate implied..
I hope you’re aware of Kobe’s real stats on crunch time tho..
Yeah You’re right. He should have made it. Shot was closest to basket.
Why didnt Mozzy pass it out for an open shot, sigh .. offense has been a hot mess
Jesus, Why won’t they pass to JR?? Does he have the cooties or something?
Moz. Put down the dumb pills.
Cavs look so out of sync.
Just cannot buy a shot down the stretch, and a lot of bad possessions.
Cavs offense is imploding.
What happened to ball movement?
you know ball movement never happens in crutch time
Crutch time, when the offense is lame, infirm, handicapped.
Tell that to the Spurs…
Another crappy play! what a waste
Time for a bowling trip.
Yeah, that’s not ideal…
Could be worse, Atl lost to Brooklyn……
Something is going on there. Nets took GS to overtime.
Score in this possession please!
The Cavs played good defense for about three minutes in this game. It was glorious when they did it. Too bad it’s not in the fourth.
What an idiot…why would you intentionally foul???we can’t buy a free throw and they are not missing…
Cavs are lucky, our defense was all over the place right now
Love 3 point shooting is not good!
Nobody has been good this quarter.
ONly JR & Lebron doing well there
Well this is disappointing.
I hope Lebron dont no hero ball nuh
How about a JR play?
This is the dumbest strategy.
Yeah we suck right now!
Hack a Drummond making his free throws but Cavs can’t make theirs. Terrible.
I have a bad feeling about this game.
We’ve got only 10 points from our bench today, 4-17 FG, 1-8 3P, 1-3 FT not good
What universe are we in?
I don’t like the hack-a-Drummond here… he’s actually hit a couple tonight…
Like I said…
Hack a Drummond will commence
KLOVE ga make these damn free throws now , we are 13-21 from the line… not good
Nice hack a drumm
Hack-a-Drummond coming up.
KLOVE looking like a Grizzly Player
Why, Kevin… why?
WILL MAKE AN “EARLY ” SEASON PREDICTION—-EVEN WITH KY AND SHUMP RETURNING —WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE A TRADE ( 1 MORE SOLID PLAYER ) TO GET THAT NBA CHAMPIONSHIP
They will need to bring Dion home!! (just kidding)
I don’t think so… maybe one more serviceable defensive piece with the Brendan Haywood Exception…
Pistons beating Cavs at own game on the lob…