Live Thread: Cavs at Wizards
2016-01-06The Wizards are 8-8 since they presented the Cavs with their only home loss of the season (December 1st). That’s not great, but 12 of those games have been without Bradley Beal. The Wizards certainly aren’t as scary as they probably seem to the Cavs fans that witnessed that debacle on 1 Dec, but they’re probably not as bad as their disappointing start would indicate.
There’s a slight tension between these two organizations, centered around their all-star point guards, both selected #1 overall. Both players have, at times, shown a sensitivity (immaturity?) to criticism of their shortcomings. Wall dealt with it immediately, as the whispers around his shaky jumper became a raging horn blast around the Jerichoean walls of the Verizon Center. He’s quelled those blasts with an improved (but certainly not elite) jumper. Wall is one of those guys that after he swishes a few Js in a row everyone throws up their hands in exasperation or glee and says something to the effect of: “well, if he’s going to be hitting those, just forget about it.” We’re all familiar with that sentiment from watching LeBron for so long. It’s fleeting. As shooters, they are who they are. But Wall is no Rondo, his J has to be respected.
Kyrie, coming into the league with many more questions than answers (never let Bill Simmons forget that advocated strongly for Derrick Williams #1 overall) became a golden boy almost immediately. His hippity-hoppity style, the literal foil to his alter-ego’s professed interest in fundamentals, was (and is) perfectly suited for the modern NBA. As the game winners piled up and the broken ankles scattered about, Kyrie Irving was voted an all-star, and assumed a top-1o player in the league reputation (and “obvious” max-contract status) long before he had really earned it. With his best performances coming in all-star festivities and grainy youtube footage of team USA practices, the allure began to tarnish as Cavs fans saw through the “fly-paper” defense and all the other less-than-optimal tendencies that hindered Irving in the pursuit of Ws (oh those baseline traps…).
As they were climbing (struggling?) up the Point Guard pecking order (one with more temporary kings than the Mamayev Kurgan) they became rivals whether or not they intended it. Both players registered a dazzling resume of highlight finishes: Kyrie with the eye-popping handles and insanely creative below-the-rim finishes, and Wall, he of overflowing athleticism who could be described as having dribble penetration that starts under the opponent’s basket. On a scale of one to Soulja Boy, the rivalry of Irving and Wall is probably a 3, as bits and pieces of passive-aggressive trash talk flare up now and then (sometimes emanating from their running matesmates). The most recent spark occurred when John Wall called it a joke that Kyrie Irving had more all-star votes than he, despite Uncle Drew playing just 2 games (at the time) while Wall had earned Eastern Conference player of the month awards. Kyrie responded by basically saying that Wall had a good point and the he has a lot of respect for Wall. So, maybe downgrade the rivalry rating to 2.5 as long as Beal is out and the Cavs escaped from Waiters Island.
Alas, their fates may be diverging. Irving is enjoying the luxuries of working himself back into form on a roster that was good enough to win two Finals games (against a historically good championship team) without him. Wall, meanwhile, is making a habit out of playing through broken bones and other ailments in order to keep his fringe playoff team afloat. Wizards fans hope with bated breath that the Durantula makes a Jamesian return to his roots and joins the embattled Wall. Unless that happens, expect the differences between Wall and Irving to begin to outpace the similarities, and the fledgling rivalry to fade into obscurity.
LeBron drinking the ColsAid
QUESTION—IS KYRIE A BETTER PLAYER / FIT ALONGSIDE LEBRON THAN D. WADE —-LIKE HOW THE BONDING BETWEEN THE 2 SEEMS TO BEING GROWING DAILY
The defense was better with Wade, but KI is miles better scorer.
He’s a better passer, better ball-handler, better shooter and might be Wade’s rival as a finisher…
Cavs rebounding is amazing. Bron, Love, TT, Delly, Shump might be the best rebounding lineup in the league.
http://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/photo/2016/0106/NOW_KyrieChart.PNG
Kyrie’s 4th quarter shot chart
It’s a beautiful thing.
That’s just ridiculous.
What got into the Knicks? They beat Hawks in Atlanta last night and now are punking the Heat in Miami on a back-to-back…
Porzingis is real.
The Zinger!
Told you. But you didn’t believe me.
That was meant for EG.
Yep… you were right on that one… I didn’t think he’d get a chance to make this kind of impact in NY, but I was wrong…
All I know Is nobody is laughing at Barkley anymore at the possibility of them making the playoffs!
Wizards actually had better shooting fg% and 3 Point shooting and more assists than Cavs. Cavs had more rebounds and shot marginally better at the free throw
Well, that was fun.
Still lots of problems masked by the win and the fun, but they’re still learning to play together. Defense has been bad for a couple games now and Love still having trouble working well with Kyrie. Moz was needed against Gortat and couldn’t do much. We can’t rely on this type of game against the Warriors or the Spurs.
But fun game.
Good points. Sobering.
Anytime I can poop on your party, give me a call.
Ah… who cares? I’m going to get drunk on the Mad Dog 20/20 that is Kyrie Irving…
I think they are relaxing on defense because they have Kyrie’s superior offense back.
But to be fair they are damn tired after +30 mins. Blatt still needs to get those rotations right on mins . 2-3 mins here and there for the starters is huge
LOOK OUT SETH CURRY—KYRIE COMING FOR YOU
Seth will be very afraid… Steph on the other hand…
Shump plus 19 and no one else close.
Saw the same thing and was thinkiing to post it, big stat right there
This rotation where Blatt brings Irving in at the start of the fourth quarter seems to have promise. Might be worth trying for a few more games.
What happened with Love? I haven’t watch the game, but see the stat he didn’t take any shot in the second half.
Too slow for the track meet that was the second half of this game…
They didn’t play defense last 3 mins of game. So offensively efficient
Fun game. Bad defense. Bad officiating. Kyrie and LeBron are awesome! Cols will like this comment if he’s not passed out yet.
He was turned into a cake… remember?
John Wall… padding his stats… such a bush move… ;)
Especially since I bet 12B for cavs to cover.
At least Chris Grant didn’t mess up on Kyrie Irving
Can you imagine if he’d have listened to Bill Simmons and drafted Derrick Williams?
Bill Simmons hating GDB was the only thing giving me hope for the kid for two years.
An All-Star Game broke out in the fourth quarter…
M-F-Q! M-F-Q! M-F-Q!
Kythrrrrreeeeeeeee Irving!
I guess the smart money was on the over.
I win 12 billion, with 10% commission.
John Wall just cost me 12 billion dollars.
LOLOLOLOL
Gotta love the push.
That should be the title of your autobiography…
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! that’s too perfect.
LOLOLOL…. backdoor cover if their ever was one.
Ya win some us lose some.
In between shots I emailed my boss and quit. Stupid John Wall.
Aaaaannd there is the three. Game, set, match.
DAMN, I talked to fast, he hit his first 3.. 19 points in the quarter.
Did they really just go under the screen on Irving? Oh no you don’t!
I think John Wall should apologize for his comments man
His play did the talking for him. No need to speak again this season.
THERE’S A THREE!
Oh MY Lord!! Kyrie!! How we Missed You!!
I WILL SAY IT FOR YOU WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW !!!!
Kyrie, Lebron and JR with 25+ points, each..
That crushes the will of a defender. Just crushes it.
Love watching this kid play. Pray he stays healthy for the enjoyment of all.
oh my gosh , damnnn, how much time do I have to say WOWWW tonight with Kyrie.. dammnnn i’m amazed
Iversonesque J there.
Kyrie>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wall
BOOOOOOOOOM!
and Irving havent hit a 3 tonight, imagine if he was hitting them, he’s 11-19 for 25 points (0-3 from 3)
also missed to FTs, which is unlike him.
That was a PnR where, as Ben noted a few days ago, Kyrie crossed over into TT’s path.
Been doing that for years.
Whoever says the Cavs wouldn’t have won Finals even with Kyrie… is a LIAR
Shump(+24) and Kyrie (+11) have highest +/-. Think they mattered in the first matchup?
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Still got the win though NOMAD… nice work!
LBJ to Ky- That’s what you f’n do!
Last made bucket for Wiz was Sessions Dunk that tied it.
JR has the most mins tonight 34
He’s out now. Spoke too soon
Delly with two textbook guard offensive rebounds. I love this team.
WOWWW, Kyrie, he always amazes
Kyrie> Curry I’m biased
Don’t be skimpy with your greater thans…
Kyrie>>>>>>>>>>>>Curry
???????
Where is the like button when you need one lol?
WOW!!! MFQ! MFQ! MFQ! MFQ!
Dude Kyrie is unreal. One of the most creative players I ever seen in any sport.
Delly with 2 oboards leading to 4 points against a running team. Winning plays.
Yeah it’s just Mr. 4th Quarter/Double Nickels!
3 guys were draped all over him!!!!
JR going to the rack!
Looks like a smart move there by JR. No one on the Wizards expecting that. All staying with their men. Everyone trying to “Be like Ky”. JR did it there!
Love JR’s little hop after that drive. “Did you see what I did?!?”
great drive by JR
Kyrie Irving is 23 years old…
I wouldn’t trade him for Steph Curry…
I totally agree but he has to learn how to stay healthy.
So does Curry…
He only played 4 mins
we always fouling with 0. something on da damn clock, chuuppsss
Let’s hope LeBron can sit the rest of this game.
They’re desperate. About to hack TT.
TIMO hasnt played this whole half I believe…
Exactly but the Wizards play a lot of small ball so maybe it was that but he still didn’t help his case in the first half.
Too bad Kyrie can’t inbound to himself.
Don’t be so sure.
Havent you seen that clip of Curry and Westbrook inbounding to themselves ?
Kyrie on his own 10-0 run.
YOU CAN’T STOP HIM!!!
WOWWWW, DAMNNNNN
Kyrie-diculous!
Cavs turning up the D now…
MFQ! MFQ! MFQ! MFQ!
Can’t wait to see Kyries career mix tape, so many buckets
Just this month’s mix tape will be pretty good.
Just this game’s mix tape will be pretty good…
Kyrie with a possible 8-0 run by himself
Mr. 4th Quarter is in the building!! This will be another high scoring game from the Cavs. 120 maybe??
He hasn’t even made a three yet.
Dudley might be the only NBA player with Dadbod.
Boris Diaw would disagree.
Tits Diaw? That’s not Dadbod, that’s sadbod.
Wiz with four fouls in 3 minutes. Now just attack the hoop, watch them hope they stay hot from three (they won’t) and bring in the bench with 2 minutes left.