Live Thread/Diatribe: Cavs vs. Nets (#NoDefense)
2018-10-24As the old idiom goes… “a picture is worth a thousand words.” There aren’t many pictures of Mike Longabardi one can find on the internet… but this one speaks the loudest, intentionally or not. This isn’t a new image to most of you, since I’ve used it countless times thus far in this season’s first three games. It’s been elevated to headline status because I’ve already wasted at least a thousand words on the Cavaliers’ assistant coach and purported “defensive guru” (well, at least that’s how Ty Lue thinks of him), and I’d prefer not to waste many more. There should never be anywhere near this amount of words written about an assistant coach for an NBA team… because they should either be able to do their job, or relieved of said job in short order. Yet, here we are…
So, EG… why the diatribe to kick off a live thread? Simply put, nothing matters for this team until the defense returns to even a marginally acceptable level (i.e. not giving up 133 points to the Atlanta Hawks). But EG, are you sure you’re not just scapegoating Longabardi here? Possibly, since it’s just as much Ty Lue’s fault for both bringing Mike into the fold initially, and entrusting the defensive schemes to him. It’s no secret how putrid the Cavalier defense has been on Longabardi’s watch. Literally, the best highlight you can ascribe to him is that the Cavs were one of the worst defensive teams ever to win a championship in 2016.
Last year was a debacle on that side of the floor, with a perimeter defense that resembled a rusty sieve coupled with a soft underbelly inside that produced a lay up line for the opposition most nights. An overriding excuse many chose to digest, was that LeBron James wasn’t particularly fond of closing out, giving much effort or playing anything other than casual free safety during the regular season. And, that this top-down mentality affected all of the King’s men, resulting in an unconscionable 29th ranking on defense by allowing nearly 110 points per game.
This year, with no LeExcuses to fall back on… the wine & gold are hemorrhaging 126.7 points per game through three contests. It might be worse if LeBron had stayed, since his Lakers are one of only two teams giving up more points per game (the Kings are the other at 129.5) at an astounding 132.o clip. Granted, that number is inflated given the OT loss to the Spurs where they surrendered an All Star Game like 143 points. The problem the Cavaliers face, however, is that unlike the Lakers and Kings, they aren’t scoring 122+ points per game. Yet, even in this wacky new NBA landscape, which has been superheated offensively with the change to the 14 second reset shot clock and the growing run and gun mentality, 112.7 points per game (Cavs current average) should be enough to offset even a mediocre defensive strategy.
Isn’t this an overreaction to a three game sample size, EG? Yes and no… I’m usually the last person to jump to conclusions, and it’s certainly possible that the Cavalier coaches can right the ship a little, and bail enough water from this leaky D to level things off to a respectable level and win a few games. However, it’s impossible to ignore how rapidly this vessel is sinking into the depths. I’m generally not a fan of switchy defenses, though I understand their necessity in the modern game. Yet, they tend to be more effective when the players being asked to execute this scheme have actually played together enough to trust it. It’s probably not the ideal strategy to implement with a collective of young players on a learning curve mixed with aging vets who’ve lost a step. But, that’s not stopping Longabardi and Lue from blindly sticking to the script, as if they still had the ultimate mistake eraser on the other end of the floor.
How did we get stuck with Mike Longabardi in the first place you might ask? The guy who was referred to as “Mr. Defense” during his playing days at Newberry College in South Carolina, got his first job in the NBA under Jeff Van Gundy in 2003 as a video coordinator for the Rockets (so, one more thing to blame JVG for). He wound up as an assistant coach in 2007 with the Celtics for both Doc Rivers and Tom Thibodeau and won a championship with them. Things started to go downhill though, after he was named Boston’s defensive coordinator in 2009. He joined Jeff Hornacek in 2013 with the Phoenix Suns, and helped turn the team around (from 25-57 to 48-34) that season. However, he was fired halfway through the 2015-16 season when the Suns were just 12-20 after surrendering 111 points to a one win Sixers team that was actively tanking.
Enter Ty Lue and the Cavs. Less than a week after Lue was promoted to replace a fired David Blatt, they scooped up the unemployed Longabardi to be Lue’s successor as defensive coordinator. Lue clearly had a lot of say in this, as the two had been assistants together on the Celtics. Mind you, the Cavaliers had been one of the best defensive teams in the League to that point in the ’15-16 season, ranking sixth overall in adjusted defensive rating… despite the blowout loss to the Golden State Warriors that got Blatt dismissed. That year, they finished the season allowing 98.3 ppg. The next year, it ballooned to 107.2… and then, finally, to 109.9 last season.
Is Mike Longabardi the entire problem? No… but it’s not like the Cavs defense could get any worse at this point. It’s clear he’s no longer effective, assuming he ever was, as a defensive coordinator. It’s unclear as to why he continues to be employed by the Cavaliers. If the owner and front office are legitimately not attempting to tank the season, then they should rectify this situation immediately. If they secretly are intentionally heading for the bottom… then by all means let Longabardi (and Lue for that matter) go down with the ship.
Okay, I guess I did the opposite of what I intended… because that was just 1,000 words on Mike Longabardi. The picture is still effective though.
Now, about tonight’s game…
The Cavs look for their first win of the season, and to avoid starting 0-4 for the first time since the ’03-04 season when they lost their first five. Though they showed some fight and determination in their first two games, they’ll need to bounce back from a forgettable effort against the Atlanta Hawks. Most expected the offense to be a work in progress, yet the defense (as noted ad nauseam above) has weighed in at a shocking 122.4 rating through three games.
Kevin Love, Cedi Osman and Collin Sexton will look to have better shooting games, and hopefully Tyronn Lue can start to settle into some recognizable rotations that make some semblance of sense. He definitively needs to at least figure out the second quarter, where the Cavs have been outscored 111-72 thus far this season, allowing opponents to shoot 52% in those frames, while his squad averages just 40%. If you’re looking for positives… Love is currently third in the NBA in rebounding (14.7 per game) and Jordan Clarkson is currently fourth in bench scoring (17.7 ppg).
The Nets come in shooting 48% on the season, so they’re likely to try and follow the game plan against the Cavs and alternately bomb away from deep or run them off the floor in transition. They have Caris LeVert averaging 24.7 points on 65% shooting, and they get Rondae Hollis-Jefferson back tonight for his first game of the season.
Probable starting lineups:
Cavs: Cedi Osman, Kevin Love, Tristan Thompson, Rodney Hood, George Hill
Nets: Joe Harris, Jared Dudley, Jarrett Allen, Caris LeVert, D’Angelo Russell
Prediction: Unless Mike Longabardi gets fired between now and the start of tonight’s game, the Cavs will once again have no defense against a team that can get up and down the floor and shoot the three decently… Nets take it 117-111.
Catch all the action from the Q at 7pm EST on Fox Sports Ohio. And, as always, chime in below… and try not to waste too many words on Longabari like I just did…
So I’m still confused by the draft pick. If the pick doesn’t convey to the Hawks next year do the Cavs keep it and get to use it or do they have to see what happens in 19/20 as well?
If it doesn’t convey in the next two years it becomes two second rounders.
Embiid airball from three, short by two feet, Simmons airball on the followup…
Giannis just destroying the Sixers…
Yeah. DiVincenzo looked good too. Ben was right again. Could have Delly for a song right now.
I love DiVincenzo…
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1055299318465339395?s=19
Even the freaking Suns look way more like they know what they’re doing than the Cavs.
James Jones!
Man, KCP blows…
Hart should be starting.
For sure…he’s their best player aside from Lebron…
I saw that th is summer. I’m baffled he doesn’t. Oh wait. He’s not a Klutch Klient
Ettore Messina anyone?
I’d take Mike Mussina at this point
Had to google that guy lol but I get your frustration
You must be a youngin’ lmao
Well for one I’m not from Murrica lol
I’d love it…if Dan fired Lue, though, I bet he’d look for some scrub who has a ‘name’, like Jason Kidd or somebody…
Kidd is overrated. I really want someone who has some championship pedigree in his aura. I know E.G and some of you would hate me for this, but I’d love to have a Brad Stevens type in here. He can coach, period. It’s just a matter of time before he wins a title.
I’d love to have a Stevens, not many of those around…I agree Kidd sucks…
Someone from Detroit or Michigan.
Giannis 20-9 at the half…monster…
Still can’t hit a consistent jumper tho
Can we bring back David Blatt? Seriously. Really – seriously. This team has some talent. But we’ve all suspected that the coaching has been terrible for years. And now we have definitive proof.
and we got rid of a cheap joe harris second round contract for what? to save what? are you f$!cking kidding me!!
That’s a dead horse man. It’s not like he turned into something perennial of any award
Cavs could easily go 0-11 before facing chicago (until tonight the only other defeated team in the east). We could of course lose to chicago. But the odds might actually be in favor of us losing our first 11
Lue has a unique talent for making everyone look worse than they do anywhere else. I’m trying to remember a player who has thrived under him vs anywhere else. I guess possibly JR for a season. Maybe Dahntay Jones for 2 possessions?
do they even win 15? 10? where is the floor? certainly not ground level..
we are going into deep sub-levels
Who is this idiot color guy on the Laker home broadcast?
Nm, appears to be Stu Lantz…
Lue coaching anybody: “Be aggressive. That’s all I got.”
Tyson Chandler, even at his age, is a much better NBA player than TT…
Bucks on quite a run after being down double digits early…
I’ll eat my sock if Ayton isn’t ROY…
Ayton just a beast when he gets the ball down low in his spot…
The parade of mid range shots is infuriating. I think Osman is above average and Sexton is an NBA player but not with this coaching. SO MANY mid range shots
And so few threes…Lue and Cavs taking it old skool NBA…
Another missed breakaway dunk from Javale…lol…
What’s the over/under on games Lue lasts this season? For a normal owner maybe 50 is a good #. For CavsDan? I put it at 41. If Lue lasts the season I’ll eat me shorts.
If they keep this up, I bet he gets canned around Christmas…if they win enough games to be mediocre to terrible, he’ll probably last the season.
Lue at the press conference: “The margin for error is small for us… I have to look at the tape…” Not good company to be keeping at the mic…
Reality just caught up with me and I feel like that Waterboy Gif ” Oh No We Suck Again” Errr
i turned it for 5 seconds.. saw they were down almost 20.. got suck to my stomach, and turned it off.. f!$cking PATHETIC.. now, i am severly damaged from my early childhood (mid 60s loving the tribe).. but i don’t even follow these clowns and they are killing me..
Matthews has killed the Mavs…I swear I’ve seen him brick at least 6 threes…
A shell of his former self…. sad for him.
5-14 on threes, but he’s missed a load down the stretch…
but Doncic did nothing after his start so I can’t blame him, although I still maintain that Doncic is already their best offensive weapon.
Yeah, but it sure seemed like they weren’t going to Doncic much in the 4th…
Matthews was the hot hand… he just cooled off… but I agree that they should’ve tried Doncic there perhaps, but again, he was bricking everything since the 2nd quarter.
Achilles Injuries are almost undefeated.
So bazemore has 29 tonight. Atlanta was basically giving him away. Coulda probably had him for JR.
Bazemore and Prince won that game…
I’m ready to admit I was wrong on Trae Young. Of course the NBA rule changes help guys like him even more, but he’s much more “wiry strong” than I thought he’d be. Coaching helps too, of course.
He’s savvy using his body to finish at the rim. And you’re totally right about rule changes… he can blow by anybody and get to the paint now and nobody can stop it. He just needs a floater and better decision making to finish off his offensive repertoire.
Still 3-12, 7-10 fts before intentional fouling, with 5 assists and 5 turnovers. Wouldn’t exactly call that a good game despite late game heroics.
He’s a rookie… there’s going to be ups and downs… but there’s no question he belongs on the court even as a 19 year old.
I think he hurt the Hawks more than he helped tonight. Other than the cavs game he has been pedestrian. He was 2/9 on twos tonight which fits with his issues finishing. The cavs game was the only game he could finish consistently and that was against some of the worst defense I have ever seen. He is not good right now. That being said I think he will be good. If he can play defense as well as curry at some point and finish consistently at the rim, he will be great.
WHAT A MOVE TRAE YOUNG!!! and they take the lead!!!
NICE!!!
“Hey, we got our points per game down to 120.5!”
So… Should we start scouting the upcoming draft now?
See you at the combine
I don’t think Zion can shoot. Is Barret a tweener. I want someone who #1 can SHOOT and as polish as they come in offense, someone who can flat out SCORE.
Barrett isn’t a a tweener. Shooting Guard with playmaking skills. Barrett will be able to score right away I think. Zion has the highest ceiling and lower floor if he can’t develop a j.
Ok I think Im wrong with Barrett. I’m having doubts on Zion tho. No one is ever going to be Lebron 2.0. Not in this lifetime. I have doubts on his fundamentals and shooting. He reminds me of Russ to some degree with of course less shooting and waaay less playmaking, and we all know how tough it is to build around Russ
He actually is a pretty decent passer and ballhandling but he is not a point. His vest skill is obviously finishing, getting to the bucket, and rebounding. He has the potential to be a defensive nightmare. However, I agree at his height, despite his long arms and otherworldly athletic ability he needs to be a decent spot up shooter. Otherwise he could struggle. Then again it is hard to gauge a prospect like him since there has never been a 6’6″ 280 pound guy that has a 45 inch vertical and moves like a shooting guard. He is probably the… Read more »
I didn’t think this team should try, or could really make the playoffs, but they have better personnel than this. This is just underachieving. They looked like one of the worst teams in 20 years last game and it appears that is also what it looked like tonight. With an actual offensive scheme that runs plays, is tailored to it’s players strengths, a defense more suited to its personnel, and playing guys that actually make sense together, they should be minimally a 30-35 win team. They look like they could be in the range of less than 20 wins. That… Read more »
https://twitter.com/RobOstrom/status/1055264236518162433?s=20
https://twitter.com/Reflog_18/status/1055264586486693888
https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/1055263299644862464?s=20
Inexusable…
Good thing the Cavs have $30 million tied up next year in centers who can’t shoot.
LMAO… at least TT’s contract should be tradeable next year as an expiring.
I’m going to see MST3K Live! in Cleveland tomorrow. Fortunately gonna miss the game.
That will be fun!
https://twitter.com/BenAxelrod/status/1055256150663413760?s=20
They both look great. Williamson could be a monster, but Barrett is more suited to the modern game I think. Unless of course Williamson can manage to get a decent jumpshot this year. Then it will be hands down Zion.
Barrett…. will be watching both closely though as a Duke fan.
#NeverForget Koby Altman turned Kyrie Irving and a first round pick into Larry Nance, Collin Sexton, and two of the worst players in the NBA (Hood & Clarkson)
Worst trade in recent memory.
It’s hard to guage which trade was worse, the Lakers trade or the Boston trade.
Boston all day.
3 of the worst players… you forgot about IT
I don’t know how or when this team will win? It may not happen until 2019?
At least the defense was better. Terrible game from Cedi.
Giving up 38 points in the third quarter is an abject failure when you were tied at half.
Yeah on just 72% shooting…
I wish this team hadn’t signed Hood. I’d rather see Nwaba play the 2.
Why hasn’t he played? Injured?
No coaching
Dekker! Pity layup!
x2!!
Trae Young looks great tonight. They really got something in that kid, lol. Disclaimer, I still think he will be solid and could be pretty good, but he is nowhere near that now and likely won’t be unless he plays the leaderless cavs every game.
I’m all in on Zizic…trade TT to the Lakers for a first…
Clarkson
This is so freaking frustrating.
Another game tomorrow. Maybe we’ll play better on the road. We sucked in this game. All around. Not sure it’s fixable without something major happening.
In Detroit, who has not lost yet.
There are a lot of contenders who TT could take over the top…hope some smart front office sees that…
Dying for Zion!
This is what happens when Dekker sits…
And now he enters to take over this game!
ARGH. Sexton. Come on.
Bring back Dion, even if he’s fat!
Lavert is so smooth
Should bring back Blatt to install that amazing offence of his. Anything would be better than this garbage.
I’d like that
This team needs Delly.
This team needs an enima
He wouldn’t play
This team needs a mercy double-tap to the back of the dome…
This team needs prime Wilt…
This team makes me doubt their commitment to Sparkle Motion
I kept saying that the whole game! Man! I miss cheering for him as a Cav.