Mailing it In
2013-01-29
No major content to post this morning, so like LeBron James in the 2010 playoffs, we’re mailing this one in. In lieu of prose, Cavs the Blog has opted for Art Bell style “open lines” today. Suggested topics? The trade deadline is two weeks away. Give us plausible trade scenarios. If you’d like to use the ESPN Trade machine, here it is.
Bennett: undersized stretch 4 with a nice wingspan and questionable defense… Where does he play? He can only play power forward. We already have a guy like that. No thanks…
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Free Terrence Jones
@B33 Bennet has been my favorite prospect for months. I dig that the Cavs greatest needs are SF and C, but I want the best player available. I certainly wouldn’t take Len or Zeller ahead of AB. Grant can always move a talented player later. It’s doubtful they’ll land Noel. He’s probably the only guy I would take over Bennet. NBA ready game and body. I don’t think 6’8” is that short for a PF. Larry Johnson and Rodman were 6’7.” Barkely was like 6’5.” Lebron is probably gonna be a full-time PF as he ages and he’s 6’8′.’ I’d… Read more »
Best case scenario in this year draft in my opinion is getting a good center (Noel) and than getting Doug Mcdermott with our 2nd pick. Scouts aren’t that big on Mcdermott but I think a 6 8 sf/pf who’s shooting 500% from three will really stretch the floor for Kyrie and Dion. Plus he also got a great inside post game as well.
For size, Peckovic fits the bill, trading for Gortat, or al Jefferso …
Oden won’t play 30 more nba games…
What do you guys think about drafting anthony bennett? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5w2T6yqPRk
a little short for a PF but very athletic and skilled. dunks over anyone. Could play small with TT/Andy at 5 and bennett at 4
Agreed Tom Pestak i would love if the cavs signed a healthy Greg Oden two a 2 or 3 year deal with the 2nd or 3rd years being team options thats only if he really is healthy
@ Vesus I agree with concern about lack of widebodies to defend Drummond in Monroe in two years. But given that concern….Nerlens Noel is NOT the answer. Just because he is tall and can jump does not mean he can handle that type of size underneath. Two years from now, Noel will be 20 years old, and probably will still weigh less than Tyler Zeller does at 22. Noel may be a good help defender in college, but he’s a LOOOOOOONG term project in the NBA. Even if we drafted him, he won’t be helping us in 2015. Drummond will… Read more »
PG:Kyrie Irving SG: Dion Waiters SF: Shabazz Muhammed or Otto Porter PF: Tristian Thompson C: Greg Oden
Bench: Gee, Ellington, Speights, Zeller, Miles
Thoughts? Thompson/Oden duo may crowd the paint a bit if they play together.. waiters can play PG when kyrie is on the bench
WC That’s a good point. I’ve never claimed to be a dr.
However, if we’re saying Andy is injury prone, then shouldn’t we say the same about Kyrie?
i was asking if you think they would think about it since love has spoke about how he isnt happy with their front office
Off topic
Can the moderators here please switch to a better commenting system? Even Disqus or whatever is better than what we have here.
Kyle
Of course we would make that trade a hundred times out of a hundred.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b27qpbp
of coarse we would throw in the lakers/heat pick this year along with a few second rounders and either next years 1st or the griz 1st rounder we have
Irving Dion Gee/draft pick T.T Love
what do you all think?
@ Vesus You’re not crazy. I think Grant & Scott also thought that way. I think it’s why Grant tried to trade Andy for DeAndre Jordan and Eric Bledsoe. “Peter Vecsey: FYI: Solid source says Clips discussed trading Jordan 4 Varejao B4 it was known he needs knee surgery. Cavs demanded Bledsoe as well.” http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/cleveland_cavaliers?page=4 However, I think the draft is not the way to go. Draft picks typically take a few seasons to develop and there’s always the risk of them being a bust. I think it would set the Cavs back. I’d rather see them go after Pekovic… Read more »
Does anyone else think this theory is that out of the question?: The Cavs front office has purposely made their moves in the draft, free agency, and trades all in waiting for the hopeful return of Lebron in the summer of 2014. If you look at their current roster/ future they have their All-Star PG in Kyrie, and hopeful fringe All-Stars in Dion and TT in a few years. The Cavs have also never pushed to actually replace Lebron with a solid SF in the draft, free agency, or trades since his departure. As for this year its looking the… Read more »
MFII: Breaking bones and PE are related – or very easily can be. PEs start in the periphery – like a deep vein thrombosis. That can be caused by a variety of disturbances/surgeries/breaks/trauma, etc. The embolism is when the clot breaks free and travels to the lungs. Though usually it does start in the legs. It’s certainly possible it’s related.
This is unrelated, but the Cavs need to start thinking about getting a legitimate defensive big man.
Call me crazy, but I’m worried about defending Andre Drummond. If the Cavs are poised for contention in, say, 2014-15, we will have to deal with Detroit’s big man duo of Monroe and Drummond – I don’t want a repeat of the 2009 ECF so we need to get a guy that can handle the legit bigs of the East.
Which is why Grant needs to do whatever it takes to draft Nerlens Noel.
Agreed Vesus – the Cavs need a dominant defensive big man. Noel might be the ticket. But I just want to shout this from the rooftops.
I WANT (a healthy) GREG ODEN
Nate, I’ve heard that theory, but its certainly not entirely true. The guy couldn’t play with the constant energy he does if he wasn’t in shape. Now I could see an argument that he needs to do more weights and less cardio, but the dude is clearly in shape. I wouldn’t touch KG, why on earth would we want him to win a few more games the next 2 years, and then be much worse off when he retires and our youngins are hitting their prime? Worst idea ever. I’m all aboard on Oden for 6 mil/yr for 2 years,… Read more »
Stephen Curry is questionable for tonight with an ankle sprain, Harrison Barnes also questionable with a knee injury. Also, according to hoopshype, Bogut won’t play tonight. I guess he’s not ready for back-to-back games yet.
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I hope we get Oden… If he checks out in interviews, why not?
Hey where’d my #1 go?
Someone whose opinion I respect lately remarked that he thinks Andy’s biggest problem is that he is out of shape. He seems like he rolls out of bed and just plays ball. While he’s naturally strong, his muscle conditioning may be leaving him injury prone. A better training regimen may be what is required to keep Mr. Doughy Arms from getting hurt regularly. Anyway, it is pointless to discuss trading him till late this year or next year.
I think an 8th seed would be good for this team. A Heat/Cavs first round playoff series should help Lebron realize that he needs to return and play with Kyrie when Wade’s body decomposes on court.
#KyrieIsWaiting
2. Andy is an older player who keeps getting injured. Whether or not those are related doesn’t matter. Staying healthy is a skill and he doesn’t have it. As he gets older, this is probably going to become worse.
3. Andy is a good player. But he is overrated by Cavs fans just like most fans overrate their own players. He’s most likely never going to be an All-Star. He’s a good solid player that if the team were closer to a championship you’d keep. Considering they aren’t, he should be traded for something of value.
@ Hot Sauce
Bad. The Cavs now have figure out if they can rely on Andy as the starter for next season. Even though these latest injuries are fluky, it’s a risk. If they feel they can’t, then they have to spend big $$$ on a center to replace him. Personally, I think that’s the best move. Getting a center in the draft would takes several season to develop. Maybe this is why the Cavs want to sign Oden?
Why does everyone assume that, were Andy healthy, he would be traded? 1. Andy is worth more than a first round pick. Plain and simple. If you think this team needs more first round picks, and that’s it, you’re sorely mistaken. We have our own, plus 6(!) first round picks over the next few years. We need vets, guys. Look how much better Speights and Ellington made us – that’s not a coincidence. 2. Andy and TT can coexist together. Andy isn’t really an under-the-basket player – he usually starts at the perimeter and pick and rolls his way down… Read more »
Hot Sauce
I think with TT playing how he is that it’s bad. A healthy AV would’ve been a great asset to trade. If not this year than next year. Now, with his injury history, he’s not going get us nearly what he would’ve gotten us a month ago.
This isn’t a trade, but an interesting scenario that occurred to me when thinking about all the Lebron in 2015 talk. There’s another pretty good player in Miami who would also be a perfect fit for the Cavs…Chris Bosh. He and Tristan would compliment each other very nicely down low, and if Waiters blossoms the Cavs could have a championship caliber inside-outside attack. Thoughts?
topic: overall, is it good or bad for the Cavs future that AV got hurt?
bad: we could have traded him for at least 1 first rounder. his trade value is now a big question mark.
good: TT has gotten extended minutes and blossomed.
good: we were able to make the leur trade (we might not have had room on the roster to make that trade if AV is around).
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b6la6lw
Gives us a nice core of bigs and a perimeter stud, and helps out Phoenix with their cap immensely. Might have to give Phoenix the right to trade picks this year.
I was just looking at Denver’s roster and they have about 10,000 small forwards. Are any of them attainable? I like Brewer and Gallinari.
I think next year we’ll trade Andy for something valuable, but this year it seems like any moves are going to be minor.
I don’t think we could get KG. KG has a no trade clause and can control where he plays. Look for him to go to Houston to play with McHale if he does get traded. I don’t think they look at breaking up the Celtics this year. I wouldn’t touch Brandan Bass’s contract with a 10 foot pole. Looking like he did a sign and retire this last summer.
Jon,
I love that SAC’s W/L doesn’t change. Sure, they’ll lose their best player…no biggie!
Kyrie Irving is questionable for tonight with illness. It’s your time to shine Dion.
lol… Jon, that still only adds 6 wins though. What does Hollinger have the Cavs projected wins as?
Here’s a completely fair and reasonable trade:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ajjrvs5
@pelliot – my concern with your proposed trade is that Gee would lose minutes. we need to keep developing him. adding KD would compromise that plan.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/21622200/cavs-heat-emerge-as-leaders-to-bring-oftinjured-oden-back-to-nba
Cavs or Heat to sign Greg Oden
Brian is definitely right. Going to the playoffs makes no sense for this team. We need a high draft pick.
Talent contends for and wins championships, not five games of first-round playoff experience. The potential a top-5 draft pick offers exponentially outweighs the middling benefit of losing to the Miami Heat in a first-round playoff series. It’s not even close.
If Danny Ainge calls you looking for a 1st round pick and cap relief? What would you offer for Garnett? Would you take on a Brandon Bass’s bad contract? As long as KI, TT, and DW stay put, I’d entertain a lot.
I want to talk about:
-Any chance we make a trade and push for an 8 seed in this years playoffs? ( I know you guys touched on it in the podcast, and it intrigued me)
– Is Byron Scott the coach of the future?
-Would it potentially be bad for us to make the playoffs THIS year? Do we need another high draft pick, or playoff experience more?
@Mitchell Taylor – I don’t think making the playoffs this year is happening. Nor do I think it would be bad for the future at all. This coming draft is going to be about fit as there aren’t really many consensus BPAs. I don’t think any trades will be made out of a directive to make the playoffs this year. This team is clearly building for 2015 and beyond imo.
Looks like the 2014 draft is the draft to be hanging around the lottery. So they might be looking to land more picks for that draft.
Okay, I meant SF, and I got carried away with the rhyme. It happens…some of the time…
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=atcgzqk
Andy V for a real SG!
Gibson, a protected 1st round pick for Tyreke Evans.
Evans would play well off of Irving, similar to how he played off of Brooks earlier this season and Waiters could stick in the 6th man role and slay 2nd unit’s around the league in years to come.
I meant to say: unless Scott switches Dion to pg
Hmmm….Suggested topics…Miles vs Ellington?
One of them is going to be the odd man out, unless Scott switches to pg. We’ve only seen a really small sample of Ellington, but I like his hustle on D. Still, when Miles gets going, you really don’t want anyone else shooting the ball.
MT216: You need to click “Save trade” and use that link if you’re trying to send your trade around. Otherwise it routes you back to the default trade machine screen
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Wishful thinking
It’s weird, but sometimes when I pull that trade up it adds about 19 wins, and randomly only 6. I’m leaning toward 19.
Pelliott – that legit made me laugh out loud. The best part is that adding Durant only gives us 6 more wins this season…Really???? That seems…um…a little low…
Best post by this site this year.
All kidding aside, the team looks pretty awesome lately. Since Andy is injured, I don’t think they are going to make any big trades. Hopefully we don’t win too many games and fall down the draft board too far.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aorgw2s
Clearly they send us the Raptors’ lotto pick, seeing as we save them some $60 million over the next 4 years PULL THE TRIGGER GRANT