Resetting Greg Oden
2013-02-10Courtesy of Jason Lloyd, the buzz around C-Town is that the Cavs are going to offer Greg Oden a multi-year deal as soon as the trade deadline passes. Everything sorta makes sense: Oden played at OSU and is currently living in Columbus. The Cavaliers have a strong partnership with the Cleveland Clinic and Oden comes with a history of debilitating injuries. There is hope that Cleveland is exactly the sort of environment someone like Oden needs to restart his career. Consider this tidbit from the Plain Dealer in October: Zydrunas Ilgauskas was one of Parker’s patients in 2002 when the now-retired 7-foot 3-inch center was plagued by foot injuries. An innovative surgical procedure kept him in the game, and “Z” will join Ironman world champion David Scott on Monday to talk about the practical impact of the latest technology in sports. ‘Parker’ is Dr. Richard Parker, the chair of Orthopedic Surgery at the Cleveland Clinic. Also still in town, is BIG Z. Think a 7-footer whose career almost ended before it started because of chronic foot problems could help Greg Oden? I do.
How about emotional support? Greg Oden’s not a Nintendo cartridge after all – can’t just pop out his knees, blow on them, stick em back in, and enjoy endless hours of fun. He’s had some documented hardships during his short NBA career. I’d recommend this interview to anyone interested in getting to know Greg Oden a little more. It seems to me that Greg Oden is going to need an emotionally-nurturing environment. (On and off the court) Â I’m probably not an expert on the lifestyles and accompanying temptations that young professional athletes deal with, so I’ll just defer to Greg on this one: “For starters, Portland isn’t a great city to live in if you’re a young, African American male with a lot of money,” Greg explained with an embarrassed grin. “But that’s especially true if you don’t have anybody to guide you. Since I was hurt the entire season, I was on my own a bunch and didn’t have veteran teammates around to help me adapt to the NBA lifestyle.”
Having lived in Cleveland and spent some time in Portland – I think Cleveland is a better place for a young professional looking to get his career off on the right foot (pun not really intended until it seemed too obviously intended). Â After all, [Portland] Â and Greg Oden is not interested in retiring. In addition, the Cavaliers have a pretty good history (at least in the last decade) of acquiring high character guys and keeping them out of trouble. It’s a mandate for the current front office and it’s evident in the selection and growth of guys like Tristan Thompson. Might just be a coincidence, but news of a Big Z – Canadian Dynamite mentoring first surfaced in early December. And as is well documented here at CtB, Tristan has been in straight Beast (sometimes Video Game) Mode since mid-December. Anderson Varejao has spoken on many occasions how Zydrunas mentored him and helped him adapt to the game and the lifestyle. I see no reason why the same support wouldn’t be available for and embraced by Greg Oden.
How about on the court? The situation is a little bit different in Cleveland today than it was 3 years ago when the Cavs drafted J.J. Hickson. There is no ‘win-now’ mandate, and Byron Scott is certainly comfortable giving a ton of minutes to a ton of young guys (except Omri Casspi – arggghhh). Also, as should be ridiculously self-evident, the Cavaliers do not have a true starting center. Varejao has filled-in admirably at C since 2010 and Thompson works hard even when he’s giving up inches and lbs, but both guys are better suited to defend the PF position. And while the Cavaliers have played much better since shoring up the bench, their interior defense is still getting abused on a nightly basis. It’s the one negative common thread between almost all of the recaps.
This brings me to the crux of the argument against the Greg Oden experiment – that he won’t play much and won’t be effective in a diminished form. Â I think the current NBA landscape is a bit of a mirage, especially in the Eastern Conference. There was a time, not even 4 years ago, that Dan Gilbert opened up his wallet and shelled out TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS for, literally, [I’m dead serious here] THE ABILITY TO COVER DWIGHT HOWARD WITHOUT DOUBLE TEAMING. Try to wrap your mind around that. A 66-win team that started the PLAYOFFS 8-0 with 8 double digit wins, was exposed by one guy, that just happened to be bigger, stronger, and higher than everyone else. No one was under the illusion that Shaq was brought in to be a mentor or some kind of defensive ace or to help the Cavs score more points. No. Shaq was playing distant 2nd banana in 2006. In 2010? Forget it. [Read the first paragraph]
Twenty Million Dollars so that Dwight Howard, a really big, really strong center, wouldn’t be able to bully his way in the paint. And today fans across NE Ohio are saying to themselves “Greg Oden’s never going to play much, and even if he does, he won’t be effective.” My question for the doubters is: won’t be effective at WHAT? At being 7 feet tall? At weighing upwards of 300 lbs? In his injury-riddled, foul-plagued, incredibly short NBA career, he STILL averaged 2.3 blocks in under 24 minutes a game in his second season. [This is an average of 1 block every 10.48 minutes. Â For perspective, Dikembe Mutombo averaged 1 block every 11.19 minutes] He was a monster around the glass and he held opposing Cs to a sub 14 PER (while he posted a 24 PER). The Blazers were better on defense AND offense with Oden on the court. Check out his 82games.com numbers from his last season.
It doesn’t take much in the way of scouting or analysis to recognize that the Cavs, the NBA’s worst team at both blocking shots and getting their shot blocked, could use a guy that blocks a shot every 5 minutes. And who knows, maybe someday, if the East ever becomes decent again (you’re lucky as $#!^, Miami) and having a legit big is necessary to make a deep playoff run, the Cavs will have a guy that they only paid a few million dollars to so that they wouldn’t have to double-team a Dwight Howard or an Andrew Bynum, or an Anthony Davis, or even someone closer to home, like Andre Drummond or (geez, even) Nikola Vucevic. The last 3 years, Greg Oden has been defined by what he failed to do. I still remember a guy that was as dominant defensively as David Robinson coming out of college. Yes, today the NBA is no longer a “big man’s league” in the sense that centers aren’t asked to average 20 shots a night from the low block. But this game, has always been, and will always be, about buckets. And in the playoffs, it’s about getting easy buckets. And having an elite shotblocker, upwards of 7 feet tall and 300 lbs, gives your team a unique advantage – for the other guys, a lot of those buckets don’t come so easy anymore.
I don’t have any problem with signing Oden to a risk-free short contract, but I would rather see Nerlens Noel suiting up as our starting center in the future. Similar skill set, none of the chronic knee issues.
Rodney Mac- congrats, that’s awesome and I’m glad you’re here to comment- we need some rational thinkers, ro this place devolves into a madhouse.
Yeah, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I concur 100% with Nathan. I don’t think he plays more than 30 games, ever. I wish the guy all the best, but 3 micro-fractures and a drinking problem? A microfracture surgery means he’s had his meniscus in both knees replaced with clotted blood from pin pricks in the tops of his bones. That marrow rich blood is supposed to help generate new cartilage. This article has a good players with microfracture surgery history, and you can add Amare and Roy to the list. Kenyon Martin is the only… Read more »
Nathan is probably right.
And no this will have no impact on Andy. He’s probably gone regardless.
Unless the Cleveland Clinic has some new cure for arthritis they haven’t told anyone about, this is a lost cause. Microfracture surgery replaces natural cartilage with a weaker type of cartilage. This is fine if, like Amare, it’s just one tiny defect in your cartilage you need to replace. But in Oden’s case, he’s had microfracture surgery to address at least four separate lesions in his cartilage, from what I can gather. Four separate lesions isn’t a fluke…that’s arthritis, that’s his knee saying that it wasn’t built to hold a 300 pound+ basketball player. Needless to say, if his natural… Read more »
I’m okay with them signing Oden, as long as it doesn’t preclude them from taking another young C in the draft if a good one is available. Would hate to see CG pass up a future quality big in favor of seeing if the big O will stay healthy.
Cory –
Wow…I like the thinking there.
I would be excited to see Oden with the Cavs. I think the odds that he pans out to be a huge difference maker are less than 50%, but the Cavs need to add elite talent if they are ever going to contend. There is a chance, even if a small one, that Oden could be that talent. As long as Oden doesn’t take up too much cap space, I’d rather roll the dice than not. That is especially true considering the upcoming draft doesn’t have a lot of obvious high-end talent. And considering that the Cavs are looking better… Read more »
Tom,
Great article. I think your last point was the most important. He has the physical attributes that few others have, and from that alone he would make an impact.
The trick is to sign him w/o crushing the cap space and not count on his production. Even if you sign him, you still need another center. Is that Andy? I’m not so sure…
Thanks, Cody. I agree – it’s not worth taking a chance if the contract is going to preclude 2014 flexibility. But the numbers they are throwing around seem pretty reasonable. And yes, even in the event that Oden can play, there is no reason to play him more than 20-30 minutes a night. So the Cavs still need another big man. It could be Varejao – but of course people still insist he will be traded. The Cavs need to take drastic measures to shore up their interior D. Signing Oden is a step in the right direction.
Seriously guys and girls, we should expect nothing at all from Oden. I hope he’s healthy and good, but expect nothing at all.
Yeah Ray is right. That block number I gave is way false. Will correct shortly. Sorry about that.
OK I fixed it. Sorry about that. Ray is correct, for his career Oden has averaged 1.4 blocks a game while playing 22 minutes a game. That’s kind of hilarious in retrospect that wherever I came up with 4 blocks in 23 minuets I didn’t do a triple take (WHA???) Thanks for keeping me honest, Ray. In his second season he raised that to 2.3 blocks per game in 23 minutes a game. That block rate is higher than Mutombo’s career block rate. Of course, Dikembe played almost 1200 NBA games and Greg Oden has played a total of 82.… Read more »
Greg Oden did not average 4 blocks a game in 24 minutes. That is 100% false. Try 1.4 in 22 minutes. Good but 4 blocks is completely insane.
Greg Oden is big and skilled, and could help the Cavs. But he ain’t Mutombo.
@nate. come on nate to state that there is no miracle cure for anything other than being dead a week this day in age is a risky propostion. sure would he be the first kinda. kobe is doing it with the same problem in a lesser degree. As of 10 months ago it was impossible to ever play wuthin 12 months of tearing an acl now we are wondering why drose isn’t back yet. Literally everyday people are surving what ws impossible to survive ayear ago. i personally am on of the first to survive stage 4 clear cell sarcoma… Read more »
Celtics won 126 games over two years with Bill Walton playing 10-20 minutes/game. Walton’s injuries made him part-time, but he played almost as well as he did when he was young. (Boston won 125 the two years before he got there so it wasn’t all him.) Greg Oden can significantly help this team by playing 15 minutes/game maybe alternating with Anderson Varajao who can play another 20 minutes, leaving 51 minutes/game for Tristan, Tyler, Speights & a rookie. Maybe one player needs to go; maybe the Cavs won’t draft low enough to get a premier big man. If they cannot… Read more »
We’ve been throwing around names of the guys Grant could target via trade down the road such as Love. If Atlanta does indeed trade Josh Smith and they strike out in free agency (they will) how about making a package for Al Horford? He’s got a nice contract ($12 million per). If Ferry really does want to blow it up in ATL this is a good time to do it. The Wiggins/Parker draft will have plenty of tankers.
I completely disagree. There’s no miracle cure for what’s wrong with Oden’s knees. If you read up on it, what he has is far, far more severe than what microfracture success stories like Amare had. At 300+ pounds with severely weakened cartilage, he won’t even last as long as Roy did this season. I feel bad for him, because he could have been the great center of this generation, but his career is over. If the Cavs sign him to a multi-year deal, it will be an incredibly foolish decision.
Respectfully disagree with getting Oden. We don’t need another injury laden player. It’s too dam hard to progress with these young Cavs. We ‘re fine without him.
Agreed. For 2-4 mill per year for 2 years with a team option it’s a great option. Maybe he’ll become a serviceable C. If not, he’ll be off the books in after next season
Thanks alot, I totally agree, I read that Mark Titus article a couple years ago, really felt oden was treated unfairly once he got hurt, the Cavs lack of “win-now” mentality i think is huge for him. Also loved the, “My question for the doubters is: won’t be effective at WHAT? At being 7 feet tall? At weighing upwards of 300 lbs?” Yeah the Cavs literally just need a very large human being that is marginally effective at defending other abnormally large people… Even tho I really hope he can get down to a lower weight then when we last… Read more »
This would be awesome