The Pain of this City Drives Me
2013-04-24Lots of content today – and it’s all worth reading/listening. Please read Colin’s piece and listen to our podcast.
I was fortunate to tune into the Cavs press conference and I wanted to highlight some things. There is no real format here, I just want to sit down in a comfortable arm-chair, sip some coffee, and let you know how I received this press conference welcoming Mike Brown back into the organization. Here is the Plain Dealer breakdown.
The first question, right out of the box, comes from Mary Schmitt Boyer, Plain Dealer beat writer and president of the Professional Basketball Writers Association. She point-blank asked Dan Gilbert if firing Mike Brown was a mistake and if not, (with a combative tone) what has changed from 3 years ago?
And, as is typical, Gilbert waved his hands, talked about not living in the past, and refused to answer…. GILBERT TOTALLY OWNED IT. “Yeah, it was a mistake.” [Link] Wow. Did NOT see that coming. Maybe I should have. Gilbert has always been a straight talker. But I didn’t see him owning the firing like that. It’s in the past, he didn’t have to. Accountability starts at the top.
This is important to our discussions of the organization. Dan Gilbert messed up. Dan Gilbert recognized (probably immediately after LeBron left) that he never should have fired Mike Brown. Recall, Dan Gilbert was madly in love with Mike Brown’s acumen and attitude when he hired him in 2005. Today, the way he spoke about Brown was exactly the way he spoke about him back then. We now know that a 1 hour dinner turned into a 6 hour discussion about basketball. As both Gilbert and Brown talked, they spoke of the “inches” of the game. How every inch requires cognizance and preparation.
Gilbert and Grant were gushing about Brown this entire press conference. About how nobody has the knowledge and commitment to the game like Mike Brown. There were thinly-veiled contrasts to Byron Scott, to whom Gilbert thanked for his work individually with the young guys, but Gilbert spoke about a ‘holistic’ growth now in order. If there is one thing that many of us here at C:TB lamented this year, it was the lack of identity, and the appearance that the Cavs were never more than the sum of their parts. The organization felt the same way. Mike Brown is their guy. They are married to him now. They got exactly who they wanted. They never wanted Phil Jackson, or Stan Van Gundy. They did a half-ass ‘reaching out’ to appease all of us hyperventilating fans. They wanted Mike Brown the whole time. And Mike Brown would have moved back to Cleveland to play Dad-in-the-stands (working the refs) at St. Ed’s. Getting back into the highest level of his profession, and working towards “unfinished business” was the 20 million dollar icing on the cake. I know my colleagues range from puzzled to downright furious that the Cavs didn’t follow some due process. But if you were married to someone for 6 years, split up, desperately missed one another, and then met up for dinner and realized that it was always meant to be, are you gonna go you separate ways and “still see other people”. No. That’s ridiculous. You’re going right back to the courthouse and claiming your old side of the bed back. They didn’t hire Mike Brown out of desperation. He was coming to Cleveland regardless. They hired him back because he is Dan Gilbert and Chris Grant’s coach. Thanks for the fling, Byron. You’re a good dude. “It’s not you, it’s me.”
This is a healthy organization. Dan Gilbert, Chris Grant, Mike Brown: they understand the severity of the task, and they understand that it’s just basketball. Any hidden animosity that Mike Brown may have had (he’s not capable of animosity) towards the organization was quickly dispelled. Gilbert, upon another question of the firing looked to Chris Grant: “didn’t you fire him, Chris?” Everyone cracked up – and it was genuine. Some other fun moments: the first person Mike Brown thanked was “Andy” [Varejao] for coming out to support him. Later on, he compared Andy now to Z then, and scanned the room for Zydrunas. Mike jokingly alluded to the fact that he needs more veterans, and talked about how Big Z might have to lace up. Chris Grant quipped: “Z is your boss…” Everyone laughed, Mike shook his head while laughing and explained that it would take some getting used to. This answered my question about Z’s relationship to the team. It continues. (Good.) Certainly, Mike Brown will have a solid working relationship with Z the way Danny Ferry (one of Z’s best friends) had with Mike Brown. Let’s not forget Chris Grant and Mike Brown go way back. (They played on the same University of San Diego basketball team)
The one negative thing from this press conference is that it was stated that Mike Brown has not reached out to any assistant coaches. Despite the reports from earlier that he would name John Kuester his assistant, among others. My guess is this is just standard procedure, and that Brown will reach out to the aforementioned coaches. I just hope no one offers Kuester a head coaching gig before everything is official. Sam Amico offers this defense of his earlier report.
Chris Grant chimed in, in his usual, wonky way: “no team has won a title without at least a top 12 opponent FG%”. [As I dislocate my shoulder with an EPIC FIST PUMP] This might seem like an arbitrary line in the sand for most. But it’s on the radar of the organization. Windhorst, acutely aware of the way the Cavs FO thinks, mentioned this back in February in a podcast with the Kenny Roda. (He also dropped some significant Mike Brown foreshadowing way back then) The last 3 years the Cavs have been last, 4th last, and 4th last in opponent FG%. This must change, and under Mike Brown, it will.
Mike Brown’s words were mostly how I imagined them. A lot of what he says is cliche – but that’s a good thing. They are his cliches. He talked about the “process”, and the motto is: “commitment to the journey”. He used very concrete terms when describing the sensations the players would have [going through this process]. When Brown 1.0 was here, he often talked about how the other team needed to “feel” the Cavaliers defenders – and that is what played out on the court. I have no doubt that this is going to be a “process”. Brown quickly defused playoff talk when asked – and re-calibrated expectations. Good. This team is not competing for a playoff spot unless they are healthy and make at least 2 major off-season acquisitions. And that’s exactly what might happen. But it hasn’t happened yet. The best thing Mike Brown said (and you can roll your eyes I won’t get upset) is when he was answering a question about “unfinished business” and the burden of getting close and losing. He said (and I swear it wasn’t scripted): “The pain of this city drives me.” Later on, Gilbert echoed something similar, albeit less dramatically, about how the passion of the fans drives their organization to win. Brown remarked that he could “feel” the commitment of the Cavs FO all the way from southern California. Some might take Brown’s quote the wrong way. That it feeds into the beast that is Cleveland Sports victimization. I say, there’s nothing phony about the passion, intensity, and suffering of Cleveland Sports fans. And as one such fan, I want the owners, management, coaches, and players to at least be attuned to What Sports Means Here. That doesn’t mean they have to freak out every time a lead starts to shrink, or expect to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, or have an overall negative outlook. It means they need to understand how badly we want to win, and how much we will support them in this effort. This job isn’t about Mike Brown’s redemption. (The 20 million dollars he can keep, though) This job is about bringing the Cavaliers back to the precipice, and taking care of that “unfinished business”. It’s for the city. Mike Brown gets that, and I have enough evidence that the FO does as well.
Ok, thanks Rich. I wasn’t exactly sure how it worked, bc/ I knew his original contract is just 3 years or whatever.
I’m curious why no player ever has had a deal with a team to offer him a ton of money during his restricted free agency, but only for one year, with a wink wink deal that when the other team matches it, he’ll play for them for a year, then be unrestricted and sign just one year later, his 6th year, with the team he originally wanted to, the team that offered the one year contract to be matched..
Maybe some things shouldn’t be said out loud… Any small market players reading this, move right along.
Yea, he’s guaranteed to be here at the start of the 2014 season, unless he feels like pulling a Keyshawn Johnson and sitting out the whole season. Lottery picks, so long as their team wants to keep them, are basically guaranteed to be where they were drafted for 7 seasons. It’s just the way it works out. They don’t become unrestricted free agents earlier than that unless they refuse to extend or a sign an offer sheet prior after their 4th season. If they do that, and they are max contract level players, they are going to give up roughly… Read more »
And if we don’t make playoffs next year, can we assume Kyrie will stay around for the next season? Is he guaranteed to be here come the start of the 2014 season?
I think we’ll see Milwaukee and Atlanta hit tank mode as well next year.
About the playoffs:
Think leapfrogging Boston will be easy. They need to start the rebuild sometime, right?
Tom – Your feelings about Lebron being a Cav again: apply that to Andrew Wiggins.
Why has no one started calling Andrew Wiggins “Ender” yet?
lol….and yet he bristles at the thought of getting back together with the ex.
Tom,
You really think the team needs to stay healthy AND make TWO major acquisitions?
Beyond staying healthy, I think the team needed to make one major acquisition, and they just did it. Canning Scott, signing four solid, bench-level free agents, and making a top-five pick seems like playoff material to me.
Do you not think Brown will get the team to play defense? Or do you think Waiters or Thompson will flop? Or Kyrie will quit being an All-Star? Or that 1500 minutes of Andy won’t help?
Tom,
I forgot to mention that I thought the article was EXCELLENT!
Kevin, I was talking about this today with Cleveland Jackson. As it stands now, the Cavs will need to leapfrog 5 of the following 7 teams: Washington, Detroit, Toronto, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Boston, and Atlanta. That is a tall order, especially when you consider Washington and Detroit are up and coming teams as well. I don’t think you can look at any of these teams as currently constructed and guarantee the Cavs will be better. They probably will, but they definitely need to be better than 5 of them to make the playoffs. I think back to what you said to… Read more »
Tom, Kyrie played nearly 3/4 of the season this year (2 games short of that mark). So, if “less injuries” equals that…it’s not less injuries. I agree that Varejao at 60 games is a reasonable glass-half goal. I’m not saying healthy for a full season, but if Kyrie can’t eventually play 75 games every season, this rebuild gets pretty tough. Certainly now that it’s done, I’m glad that Byron is not back on a short leash either. I’ve said Brown wasn’t my ideal, but Brown >> Scott. Anyways. If Kyrie and Dion play 72 games each (not even great health),… Read more »
In 7 of the last 8 seasons a five-hundred or worse team has made the Eastern Conference playoffs. The one exception was the strike-shortened season. Atlanta, Milwaukee, and Boston could be vulnerable next year. Totally hypothetical, but what if Deron Williams get hurt…what do the prospects look like for the $61 million quartet of Joe Johnson, Gerald Wallace, Brook Lopez and Kris Humphries? If next year is the season that it takes 44 wins to get the East’s 8th seed, I could change my story, but if the threshold is 40 games, Cleveland will get there with reasonable health and… Read more »
Tom, it’s like realizing you’re never going to get out of the “just friends” zone with a girl you like. Move on, stop watching Wiggins youtube clips, meet some new players.
it’s so hard though
If we are going to trade one of TT or Dion, I’d prefer to trade Dion. Love/TT/AV or Aldridge/TT/AV would be insane. Easier to find capable SG, IMO.
Gordon – you could more easily address SG in this draft than Forward, that’s for sure.
I’d prefer Love to Aldridge as well. However, I don’t know how much I’m willing to give up to get him, or either of them. It would probably take our #1 this year + Dion or TT, and possibly the LAL #1 as well. I do not want to give up TT to get another big. His ceiling is too high. I understand we want proven commodities, but we really are in a great situation with all of our youth and picks. I’d rather wait another year to see exactly what we have in TT, Dion, and this year’s multiple… Read more »
@ Joey Joe
I saw it on hoopshype. I’m sure they are interested. Not sure it’s likely though.
However, I’m becoming more convinced that they will bring in a quality FA. Or at least try. I believe they could sign someone to 11/yr contract and have room for a max contract in 2014…..Tom, don’t blow your top here…lol. Until 2014 FA is over, it’s just something that will be out there.
It’s really starting to hit me that the Cavs are going to get better this season, and are going to miss out on the Andrew Wiggins sweepstakes. The only hope is that the draft Noel, stash the rest in Europe, trade Varejao before the season starts, and have significant injuries to the starters. Even then, I bet Mike Brown eeks out 30 wins.
But that’s not happening.
Random question: I saw that Chris Brousard wrote that the Cavs had expressed interest in Lamarcus Aldridge in his column about the significance of the Mike Brown hire. Is there any truth to this? I had a buddy ask me about it too so I’m sure it appeared somewhere else. Has anyone seen this other than the Brousard column? -I wanted more info because that potential trade is baffling to me, both teams seemingly have young cores and are trying to find the piece that makes them a contender. I don’t know what Portland would want that we would be… Read more »
Joey Joe – i don’t think there is much momentum behind that report (about Aldridge). I’m sure the Cavs are exploring lots of options for this offseason. I think Kevin Love is a better fit than Aldridge.
WHoops I’m a dork. Posted last post on wrong blog. It’s a Jar Jar Binx thing! Lol
Listened to the podcast. Question 1: Are you guys bowling in the background? What keeps happening to Tom? He beams in and out like Obi-Wan_Kenobi. Lol. I loved the Jar Jar Binx comment! But to the substance. NOooo Gilbert is not worse than Cuban in any stretch of the imagination. CUban is obnoxious sitting behind the players bellowing out his 2 cents frequently. HE has turned off more players coming there because of his obnoxiousness. GIlbert did give Scott 3 years; more than what most NBA teams would in all fairness. Next is the comment on 40% of Cleveland fans… Read more »
This just about sums it up for me:
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/04/23/sh-blog-a-deeper-look-into-the-mike-brown-hiring-thibodeau-would-play-rose-kobe-gets-cast-off-ready-to-rehab/
Brown certainly has his warts but he’s not a bad coach and there would be other teams interested in him beyond Phoenix. Sometimes it’s hard to separate emotions from judgements, but if Brown had his current resume and had never coached the Cavs most of us would be elated over him granting Cleveland an interview let alone him wanting to be here. This is a clear signal to all of us that the expectation level has been raised. The success of the Cavs next year will be measured by wins rather than moral victories and silver linings. I’m looking forward… Read more »
(he’s not capable of animosity) – definitely had me laughing there. Good work.
I saw the press conference. Brown was absolutely gushing to be back in the saddle again in Cleveland. The message from him you felt was, “I know what’s wrong with this team and know how to fix it” And then he went on about defense that the players would know it, feel it and see it.
I agree with Josh though. If they don’t make the playoffs next year I will be disappointed and it should be considered a failure. I’ve felt all along this was the plan. Next year we need to make the playoffs so that we can attract a serious free agent. Also forget where I saw it but I’m curious as to how much it would take to get Horford from the Hawks
I think Brown is the perfect coach for this team right now. But I don’t think it was a mistake to fire him when they did and I’d probably fire him again in 3 years if things go right (yes right). Byron was a great coach for Dion and Irving to break into the league with; demanding, old school, and tough. I don’t think Irving ever really bought in though. Brown is a fantastic regular season coach. When he doesn’t make whole sale adjustments between every game he does great. He actually designs decent set plays for guys, where they… Read more »
It was a great press conference. Kinda felt good that he was back home. I didn’t realise how much I missed the guy. Much more personable than BS. Let’s hope he delivers.
Great article. Didn’t get to listen to the press conference so this recap was great to read. One point I disagree with is that the Cavs need to make at least two major moves on top of staying healthy to make the playoffs. Bring this same team back and just keep them healthy and they are making the playoffs with even mediocre coaching out of Brown. When everyone but Varejao was healthy they were an average team. Varejao was their second best player. Adding him alone to that team makes them very competitive. And that doesn’t take into account that… Read more »
Nice work man, nice work. I’m glad he’s back. He’s not the next phil, but you’ll run through a couple hundred assistants before you’ll find one of those. I am very interested to see what he does with a young, lebron-less team. I got the faith… now hopefully Kuester comes back, or some other good offensive assistant.