Recap: Cleveland 78, Indiana 82
2014-01-05The story of this game changed quite a bit in the final eight minutes. Through much of the affair, I lamented how Tristan Thompson, and even more so, Dion Waiters, were not establishing themselves in Kyrie’s absence. The two previous games were golden opportunities, against Orlando’s front line of Jason Maxiell, Glen Davis, and Andrew Nicholson, and the Nets’ fearsome injury riddled front line of Reggie Evans, Paul Pierce, Mirza Teletovic and Shaun Livingston, for both Tristan and Dion to attack and flash some dominance. For the most part, they had not. Tristan had flashes, and Dion’s jumper was at least on against the Nets, but neither had anything remotely approaching a signature performance during those games. It was a big bummer. Of course, then tonight Dion scored nine points and dished two assists in about four minutes and the Cavs almost knocked off the 26-win, 6-loss Indiana Pacers. Now, the overall performance of those two moves to “note” status.
Cleveland was missing Kyrie (knee contusion) and Jarrett Jack (bask spasms) tonight, and came out firing on one cylinder…CJ Miles. He exploded out of the gate, tallying 8 points, 3 rebounds and 1 assist in the first quarter. Everyone else shot 4 of 19, as the Cavs headed to the break trailing 22 to 18.
The start of the second was equally sad, as Bennett and Zeller were each called for offensive fouls; through the first 19 minutes, the Cavs were whistled for 14 infractions compared to the Pacers five. Bennett made up for it with a huge follow-up slam dunk, and otherwise CJ Miles kept on trucking, rolling to 15 points on 6 of 7 shooting. At one point, the Cavs had 29 points, and Miles had 15 of those. Unfortunately, the Pacers forged a 16 to 6 run, as the Cavs could not match the Pacers size and strength. Dion was guarding Paul George, and Zeller defend Roy Hibbert. That is trouble. It could have been worse than the 44 to 35 halftime score, as Varejao and Dellavedova both made ridiculous shot clock bailouts. The Wine & Gold shot 34% from the field and 25% from three, with 8 assists and 10 turnovers for the half. Besides CJ, the rest of the team combined for 8 of 34, with none scoring more than five points.
Early in the second half, Miles kept scoring off of cuts & drives. Four minutes in, he tallied 21 points, as the Cavs pulled to within 48 to 45. Sometimes it looks like he and Varejao are the only two Cavs that know how to play within a team construct. Finally though, Tristan started putting it together, scoring nine points in a five minute stretch, as the Pacers called timeout leading 60 to 55. Then BOOM!! Delly with the long range bomb off the Miles assist, 60 to 58! What comes next though? Of course, a Pacers 7 to 0 run, to take a 67 to 58 lead to the fourth.
Then it got worse, with Indiana scoring another seven unanswered, forging a 74 to 58 lead early in the fourth. Game over, or so it seemed, actually fairly reminiscent of last week, when Cleveland played the Pacers tight for three quarters only to then realize that Indiana had another gear. But what do you know? Anthony Bennett scored four straight points (Anthony Bennett?!?), then Dion stroked a three. 74 to 65. Eight minutes to go. The Pacers kept missing, and Dion kept canning jumpers. One, two, three more, and suddenly it was 75 to 74 with three minutes remaining. When Dion gets a hot hand outside, watch out. Both teams tightened up, and with 1:30 to go, it was 77 to 76, when the Pacers missed! Three Cavs in position for the rebound!
They fight over it and knock it out of bounds.
AAAAAAHHHHH!!
On back to back possessions, Dion drove and found a cutting Andy for dunks. The Pacers hit one of two freebies, and it is 80 to 78 with 43 seconds to go. Dion checked his hot hand from long range, but alas, after a few bounces around the rim, it bounced out…but falls into CJ Miles hands! Timeout Cavs. 20 second to go.
The entire world awaits, what will Mike Brown draw up? Would you have guessed Dion iso? If so, you were correct. Paul George funneled Waiters into Roy Hibbert, forcing a ridiculously difficult shot. It missed, and the Pacers grabbed the board.
At a second critical juncture, Indiana again only hit one of two freebies though. Cavs timeout again. What will they come up with this time? If you guessed a near five-second violation, before inbounding the ball to a guy that had one foot out-of-bounds, well, you are amazing, and also correct.
The Pacers made one final free throw, ending the game with an 82 to 78 victory.
Notes:
- Miles finished with 21 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 steals. The Cavs were +10 when he played. For the season, the Cavs have played their opponents to a standstill when he is on the court.
- Dion finished with 14 points, but on only 6 of 17 shooting, with 5 assists and 3 turnovers. He was huge in the fourth quarter, but struggled for much of the game. More on that below.
- Andy grabbed 13 boards and the Cavs were +14 when he played.
- Tristan finished with 13 & 10, on 52% true shooting.
- Matthew Dellavedova forced a jump ball. Are there league leaders for that stat? I think he averages at least one per game. Also, he drew Paul George into a technical foul. Delly is awesome.
- Alonzo Gee and Earl Clark combined to shoot zero for eleven. Production like that from small forward makes it tough to win.
- The defense was really solid, holding the Pacers to 36% shooting and only 2 fast break points and 22 points in the paint. The Pacers also only grabbed 10 of 43 available offensive rebounds. The Cavs defense definitely kept them in this game through some offensive struggles.
- I really wanted to see more from Tristan and Dion in these three most recent games. I touched on it briefly in the intro. This stretch has been a rude wake-up call for myself. I had high hopes for each. Finishing at the rim (or the lack thereof) has been the story of the Cavs season. During his last 30 games in 2012 – 2013, Dion shot 58% from 0 to 3 feet. Tristan shot 62% from the same range. I thought they were figuring “it” out; the game was getting easier. Surely their career would continue trending upward, but this year, both are struggling mightily at the rim. Also in most other regards, neither is better than they were from January through April of 2013. Instead of the continually improving career arc that I was counting on, they appear to be settling in as relatively inconsistent, non-star players. This is pretty damaging to the rebuild. One of the most troubling aspects of the three most recent games has been Dion’s shot charts…take a look, it’s almost all jumpers. Surely some will think, “well, they can’t make shots at the rim anyways”, but if Dion isn’t getting to the rim, he certainly can’t finish there. And if he isn’t doing that with regularity, his ceiling will always be as an inconsistent, non-star. And as mentioned in the intro, the Orlando and Brooklyn games were completely ideal games for attacking the basket. It was somewhat disheartening to just see a perpetual parade of jumpers. Finally, I am not opposed to Waiters having the ball in his hands a decent amount, but he must get better off the ball; maybe talk to and watch what CJ does. Miles creates a lot opportunities for himself cutting to the basket when his opponent falls asleep. I swear that scouting reports on Dion must say “Don’t worry about him when he is off the ball”…he never exploits an opportunity to get an easy bucket via cutting. A couple of easy buckets could certainly help his finishing rate. He also needs to figure out how to get to the free throw line. Tonight he shot zero free throws on his seventeen field goals. Much of this is on him, as only four of those seventeen came inside the paint. Also, many times he tries really hard to go around the defender in mid-air, avoiding contact and hence creating way too difficult of a shot. This is something he needs to get better at. Finally, the referees are mean to Dion. They could give him another call or two every once in a while.
Okay Here we go again on the confusion of draft picks. Cavs website states : In exchange for Deng, the Cavs send Chicago Bynum, Cleveland’s right to the Sacramento King’s first round draft pick conveyed in a June 30, 2011 deal, the right for Chicago to swap its own 2015 first round draft pick with the Cavs own 2015 first round draft pick (only in the case that the Cleveland 2015 first round draft pick is between 15 and 30) and the Portland Trail Blazer’s 2015 and 2016 second round draft picks acquired from the Trail Blazers via 2013 draft… Read more »
Cavs just got Deng
@Scott Have you seen what Monta Ellis has been doing in Dallas with a real coach? It’s freaking awesome.
I have considered the Monta Ellis comparison myself, during hopeful moods. But look at his Age 22 season. 19, 5 & 4 on 58% true shooting. Then after he signed his 6 year, $66 million contract that he quit playing D, started scoring inefficiently, etc. If Dion was having a season like Monta had the same age, I would be ecstatic.
The same article ranks Harrison Barnes as the 11th best small forward.
And is 13th really that good? How about if you just looked at all guards, where would he rank? 25? 30? That doesn’t scream all-star.
TV63 that article is a bit dated (Oct 1) and doesn’t factor anything from this season. And it seems to be an opinion piece, not necessarily analytic based.
ASk and you shall receive Tom Pestak. Yahoo Sports is one on a national level high on Dion Waiters. Writer Mark Evans in particular. Read this little piece and digest this.. Drum roll please… Well What do you do know?? Dion is ranked #13 that’s right #13 in shooting guards in the NBA Right Now. http://dimemag.com/2013/10/top-20-shooting-guards-nba-right-now/2/
How is it they don’t view and rank Dion so low as you, Scott, Blip? How can this be??
Grover, Drafting Lillard would not have been a bad move at all, if they thought he was the best player. The issue would have been that defensively, it’s tough to put him two point guard set-up with Kyrie. But many NBA teams are going to a dual hybrid guard system because it puts a lot more pressure on the defense to have two guys that can initiate plays. Phoenix is showing that this kind of lineup is very doable with Dragic and Bledsoe. (It helps that Bledsoe is a ridiculous athlete). And Playing Lillard with Kyrie would give Kyrie a… Read more »
Great points Nate. And if you just go by PER Dion is actually a below average player with a 12.56 PER (15 being average). I think Dion is probably an average player but they clearly whiffed by not grabbing Drummond or Lillard who will both end up All-Stars in the next couple of years.
One more thing, Kevin: Dion is currently shooting better from the floor and 3-point line then he did his rookie year. I believe that is known as “improvement,” correct? So how about we stop acting like he has regressed or reached his ceiling until he actually, ya know, stops improving on his shooting? Seems fair to me…
Oh and Beal went 4-15 yesterday…
Beal is shooting worse from the floor than Dion. Lillard is worse percentage-wise on finishing drives than Dion. We all can play this kind of game all day. Numbers out of context. That’s all these posts have devolved into… The other thing that is hilarious, speaking of lack of context, is how easily we wanna give up or claim someone is average or a disappointment when so young and playing on a terrible team. I mean, Ellis is a perfect example of how a guy who was pegged as an inefficient gunner goes to a better team and hey! Whaddya… Read more »
Nate- Even in hindsight, saying you think the Cavs should have drafted Lillard in 2012 is a farce. As bad as CG may look right now, if he had taken another PG after watching Kyrie’s rookie year, we would have all brought out the KAAAAAAHHHHHNNNNN!!! catcalls. That’s a ridiculous assertion. That’s like saying the Packers should have drafted Russell Wilson with their first round pick last year, just because he turned out to be one of the best players of that draft. The Cavs already had (what they thought was) their franchise PG, and we all would have been in… Read more »
Rick: it’s looking, early on, that the Bucks clearly got the best of a bad draft with Wolters and Giannis. Was a big fan of Wolters going into the draft. Maybe Mike Muscala will come back and be good, too. If we’re arguing who we’d rather have than Waiters in that draft, I’ll go with Drummond or Lillard (who is conveniently ignored in the discussion of who the Cavs should have drafted instead of Waiters). Waiters is a very average player who doesn’t finish well. He may get better, but given his lack of elite athleticism, I’m not sure he… Read more »
Btw, saying Miles cuts off the ball is hardly a rebut of my point that no Cav cuts off the ball and that there is no Cav but Dion who can get anyone an easy bucket. Dion got a big two dunks last night. I literally have watched every minute of every game this season and cannot recall a Cavs wing player doing that in one game. Miles plays for Jerry Sloan who is, clearly, good at teaching motion offense but my major point stands: there is no one to get the ball to Dion on a cut unless you… Read more »
Kevin , your post was about the last few games for Dion and my point that you critiqued him for having a wildly efficient game against the Nets stands. You are basically saying you don’t like the look of his game against the Nets. Ok. Whatever. And yes, considering he has played less than a hundred NBA games he can be inconsistent so some nights he drives more and better and some nights not. It’s called being young. Also you make no mention of how he is currently better than both Beal and MKG, guys I know out were VERY… Read more »
Kj, I agree that the Cavs do not have many play makers / able passers, but Andy is one. He will find people if they make nice cuts into space. In a recent game, Dion did, Andy found him, Dion got a layup, and I was overjoyed. I wish it happened nightly, instead of being a notable event. I like “the look” of Dion’s jump shots when they are going in, but deep down inside, I know that he will ultimately shoot 40% on those pull-up jumpers. It’s just the way it is. And of course over this three game… Read more »
I really liked what I saw of Wolters.
Speaking of Delly – ESPN had a nice blurb on Nate Wolters, a 2nd round pick PG who is looking like a major steal also. (He was a guy that I thought the Cavs had some interest in.) He too seems to be annoying opponents. Even with Delladedova, Wolters would be an upgrade over JJack.
Thought Hibbert held him up, actually.
And Kevin, I find CJ’s lack of minutes, sometimes, utterly inexplicable. Of course he spent 7 minutes at power forward against New Jersey, so I’m not sure that’s the solution either.
Delly Delly Delly… you guys saw Hibbert’s grab and throw right? If Delly hadn’t decided to hang tough but rather decided to sell the call it could’ve been a flagrant 2 imo, or at least a tech. I wouldn’t say that if Hibbert hadn’t had that look on his face of “I meant that”
Bennett obviously isn’t good yet, but both his baskets last night were pretty sweet. At least he looks more athletic than he did to start the season (I still remember a break away play where he ran 1mph and missed an uncontested layup).
Re: Dion, KI, TT…. All have pluses: – Kyrie’s ball handling, shooting capability for a PG, and “wow” factor – Dion’s competitiveness, ability to get to the rim (although he’s not efficient there yet), and heat-check-ability – TT is the one I really don’t get all the bashing about. I agree there are limits to his ceiling and future offensive ability….but the #4 pick from 3 years ago is already a top-10 rebounder at 22 years old. I see him being a more athletic Charles Oakley in his prime. Is that so awful? But my biggest concern right now is… Read more »
TV63, look at George’s advanced stats. He was actually very efficient in limited minutes early on. He showed much more promise than Dion.
@Scott Good deflection. You called him horrible, not that great and ect. Lol Yeah you pretty much did say he sucks. The real question is why doesn’t the rest of the NBA feel Dion is as bad as you think? He’s hasn’t even completed his second year. You cant ‘ compare to Monte Ellis. YOU may not consider him all star caliber but yet some how he got chosen last year from all around the league in the All Stars for Rooks last Feb. How can this be?? Do you consider Paul George an All Star now? Hell his stats… Read more »
Re: How we view Dion compared to the rest of the league: I’m interested to find national writers or blogs that think more highly of Dion Waiters that Cavalier fans/management. I’ve found a handful that really don’t like his game. And while it would be a dumb move, every Cavs fan (myself included) had the same reaction when the Lakers wanted Waiters thrown in as the “extra asset” in the rent-a-gasol swap: “HAHAHAHAHA! You guys are nuts!” According to Amico, the Cavs management did too. Whether Jim and Mitch are delusional is beyond the point – that’s not a ringing… Read more »
@TV63 – Sure, other teams are teams might be curious to take a flyer on Dion – why not? I didn’t say he sucks – I just said that he doesn’t look like a future all-star to me. From my perspective, Dion’s ceiling is Monta Ellis. I am not a big Ellis fan. It’s possible he might one day develop a left hand and play more consistently. Of course he’s young and can improve. But why do you and KJ think he’s so great? There may only be 4-5 guys from his draft class that are better, but just because… Read more »
The Cavs have been 4.6 points per 100 possessions better with Dion on the court this year. Last year, the offense was 5 points per 100 better when he played, which was the best differential on the team. Dion isn’t bad, and as noted above, deserves more credit than Win Shares or Wins Produced give him, but he still has definite room for improvement. I am becoming less confident he will make those improvements…that is the basics of my stance today.
Off topic, but now the Cavs are outscoring their opponents during the 591 minutes when CJ Miles has played.
Yes there are all kinds of loss stats. AC quoted one last night that Cavs have lost 8 close games on the last possession like the one last night. Cavs 11-23 Cavs have lost less than 5 pts in 8 of these losses. Cavs have lost 9 games by 10 points or more. Cavs have lost only 2 in complete blowouts by more than 20 points. They have forced several overtimes. What this means… If Cavs could have held on to those 8 close games; they would actually have a winning record. That wasn’t the case last year. Stupid Junior… Read more »
What’s the difference between Wins Shares, and Wins Produced?
Nate,
Win Shares are calculated by basketball-reference and are derived from Dean Oliver’s offensive and defensive ratings.
Wins Produced was developed by Dave Berri. He is a professor, wrote a book called Wages of Wins, and created wagesofwins.com.
They are both catch-all metrics that attempt to distill player value down to one number. As will always be the case when that is the goal, they are imperfect.
There were a couple times, especially late when Dion ignored a wide open Delly in the right corner. On the one where he “Nashed” the ball on a drive and then wheeled back out to the top for a three, he had Delly in the corner, a much better option than a pull-up three after 15 seconds of dribbling.
Also, Andy needs to shoot that elbow jumper when he has daylight. Him not shooting it is hurting the offense. He passed up that shot way too much last night.
Dion is “unguardable” at times, but all too often, he is very “guardable.” Yes, he has statistical clusters of made shots in proximity to each other. Yes, being hot is a statistically verifiable, “thing.” But he also has clusters of abomination, too. Our observational bias causes some to overvalue the times Dion is “hot” and to undervalue the times Dion is “cold.” Another interesting thing about Dion is that he seems to improve as the game goes on. His quarter splits are bad in the first quarter, and generally improve as the game goes on: especially rebounding, and getting to… Read more »
By every advance metric Kyrie has regressed each year he’s been in the league except for turnovers even though it seems as if they all come in the 4th with 4 minutes left. Or is he turning it over less because he’s running in and getting blocked more? And win shares is stupid because Delly should have all of ours, there isn’t one game that we’ve won or come close to winning that he didn’t have his fingers all over. Is there a games lost stat? Because dribbling it off your foot or running into 3 players in the paint… Read more »
Kevin, It seemed like the Nets were packing the paint. I can recall a few times in that game where Dion took highly contested shots at the rim. In cases like that, a pull-up jumper is a better option (a dish or a kick-out is even better still. But that’s another subject). I think last night’s final shot is a good example. Dion had an iso against George, Cavs flattened-out. He beats George, but Hibbert is there to contest. It ends up being a bad shot. In that situation, a mid-range shot might be a better choice. Saying that Dion… Read more »
Cody, A pull-up jumper may be a better option in that situation, but there are relatively few players in the league where a pull-up jumper is a good option. 49 guys have taken 100 or more pull-up jump shots this year. (http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingPullUp.html#pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=50) Five of those have an eFG% above 50 on those shots (including Kyrie), with only one higher than 51. It’s just not an efficient shot. Waiters is at 39% eFG on pullups (38% field goals, with only 17% pull-up threes). Finding a means to dish, kick-out for a set three, or get to the basket / get fouled… Read more »
@ Kevin: Good “side note.”
Statistical analytics aside, I wouldn’t be too hasty drawing conclusions about a guy that “eyeball analytics” say is unguardable at times.
He gets to the basket at will. He also regularly goes off and hits 5-6 in a row off the dribble. You can’t guard a guy like that. The only one who can slow him down is himself . . . or a stagnant offense. So which of the two is it? Or both?
Underdog, If he can get to the rim at will, why didn’t he abuse those Orlando and Brooklyn front lines? Why only 14 shots in the paint in three games when Kyrie was out? That doesn’t even account for the poor finishing he has shown at the rim this year. I think Dion can be (and to an extent, is) a completely fine player, but his “ceiling” is dropping for me. That is disappointing, because I really had high hopes for him. Like Kyrie with his defense, making teammates better, etc, it is time to take take the kid’s gloves… Read more »
I think Win shares and wins produced put our own subjective views into perspective. it’s interesting to see the logic of why the wins produced community believed the Cavs would be so good (Irving improving, Bynum playing like his old self…)
If Dion is as horrible as some of you say he is then riddle me this. Why the hell is Grant’s phone blowing up from around the NBA wanting Waiters? How can this be? How can 4 of you be possibly wrong and a good size demand from other NBA teams be wrong? There’s a whole big world out there outside of this blog that have a different perspective (appreciation) on Waiters. It wouldn’t hurt to listen to others ideas . It might surprise you.
Hi Kevin,
Here’s the link:
http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players?utf8=✓&q=waiters
Thanks Blip. The site appears to have a lot of glitches.
I have never actually been a huge advocate of wins produced, but I do like to scan the wide spectrum of available advanced stats. I do not think Waiters is as bad as that stat suggests.
On a side note, a quick look at their 2013 – 2014 team projections (http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/teams) showed the Cavs winning 42 games. On a few other big misses, they pegged the Blazers with 29 wins, the Pacers with 40 and Utah with 43.
Brian’s comments are spot on. From an analytic perspective, Dion is unlikely to become an efficient starter much less a star. He still might; it’s just not likely. Beyond WS/per48, his wins produced / 48 is -.032, which means he is actually costing the Cavs wins at this point in his career.
Blip,
Where is Wins Produced available? I haven’t looked very hard, but can’t find it. Used to always get it from wagesofwins.
Thanks.
Thought the Cavs played great D last night. Some of the best D I’ve seen all year. Is it me, or does Tristan always do a nice job making David West a non-factor? Nobody said TT was going to be a star. He’s a workmanlike double double guy. That being said, I, too was hoping TT and Dion would step up more in Kyrie’s absence. TT tried against the Nets, but they packed the paint and he was smothered. Dion looked like Vinnie Johnson in the 4th quarter last night. Problem is, there should be more uniform production and less… Read more »
I, for one, thought we all knew about TT’s O game before his draft. I can forgive some bad performances as we know where he started from. Statistically he has improved in everything other than FG%/scoring. So he is improving just much slower in O, his known weakness. Even if he doesn’t improve greatly, I think a guy who puts up a near nightly double double is pretty useful especially if the Cavs are considering trading AV at some point. Dion… I’ve never liked him or his attitude since he was drafted so obviously my view is skewed. I’ve acknowledged… Read more »
DaveR,
Tristan’s shooting percentages are down, so are his rebounding rates on offense and defense (taken as a percentage of available rebounds). His assist rate is down, his block rate is waaaaay down, his turnover rate is up a tick from last year. He is worse than last year, especially when only considering the January – April stretch. He is looking like what we thought he was at draft time, instead of developing into something more.
I agree with Kevin on Dion and TT, and it’s depressing the hell out of me. It’s become apparent that neither is going to become a star, and I don’t think either is going to become a quality starter either. Yes, you have to give most high draftees four seasons before passing final judgment. But with high draftees who become stars or quality starters, usually during those seasons on their rookie contract, you see growth. In TT’s third season and Dion’s second, there’s very little growth. For as hard as TT has worked, he’s still a very limited offensive player… Read more »
Mike Brown pls bench clark and gee!!
I wanna see more of Bennett at the 3! If he keeps driving into the lane or muscling into the paint, good things are going to happen!
Great game! But it’s time… Time to go into tank mode! Might as well rest Kyrie till the All star games!
Rumor is we are about to pull off a blockbuster. And I don’t think Gasol counts as a blockbuster.
Kj,
As Scott mentioned, CJ Miles cuts off the ball. Andy finds him. He gets a decent amount of buckets this way. The Herculoids scored through passing & cutting all the time last year, despite the team’s otherwise worthless offensive system. It can happen for Dion, but not if he never makes a strong off-ball move.
In the three games, Dion shot 14 of his 55 shots in the paint. Not just the restricted area, the paint. He made 21 of 55 field goals (38%) over that time. Those games included two pretty pathetic opposing front lines. I have always liked Dion, but sorry, the lessened frequency this season with which he is getting to and finishing at the rim, are real things. It is concerning to me, and has me questioning his ceiling. If he can start routinely scoring at the basket again, problem solved. If not, he’s going to shoot in the low-40’s from… Read more »
Scott, he’s already a streaky scorer at the NBA level. Do you mean to say that he will never improve? Literally any improvement from where he is today equals starter (although not star) in the NBA. If he takes a medium-big leap (finish at the rim, less jumpers, good D) he could be an all-star. Not saying that improvement is a guarantee, but it’s a bit silly to expect him to peak at his current level.
Scott while I will agree that KJ’s Dion love is a bit much, if you can’t see Dion’s court vision and passing ability then you are nuts. He can get to the rack actually very easy and is able to bail himself out with slick dimes to the one big that actually cuts. When he gets there and there is no cut unfortunately his reliance on his right makes him pretty easy to stop for anyone who bothered to check the scouting report. He is a second year player with flaws, get over it. KJ he isn’t D Wade, and… Read more »
It’s absolutely true that the only Cavs that know how to play off the ball are CJ, AV, and Delly. Kyrie and Dion are both horrible and stand around looking lost and disinterested when they don’t have the ball. Occasionally Kyrie will run around some screens to get th ball, but stil… And, @KJ – are you a member of Dion’s family? You’re comment about Dion’s alleged clutchness ‘when IT Matters’ is telling. That’s the problem with Dion (and, to a lesser extent, Kyrie) – it often seems only to matter in the fourth qyarter when he goes into hero… Read more »
I was at the game some thoughts: People watching at home don’t get to see this but you know what the Pacers did before the game they all got together, you can really see the camaraderie they have together. Our guys just kind of stand around looking at stuff. Tyler Zeller needs to shove someone on the ground, seriously, he gets no respect from refs or other players. You know how if you get bullied and just take a swing 90% of the time the other guy leaves you alone forever. This is the theory here. Tyler Zeller’s D on… Read more »
I come here after another thrilling moral victory thinking to find some love for the WINNINGEST WINNER who ever played an NBA game, and I don’t even get a recipe for Dumpster Fire S’mores? The HELL?
I’ve got half a mind to start my own blog — WINNING DION WAITERS KYRIE SUX — but it’s not so easy to start your own blog with half a mind.
I wonder if Gee would play for any other team in the NBA. I’m not sure why the Cavs FO continue to give him run. He should of been cut with Samardo Samuels or the other D-League scrubs that have played on this team over the years. I think he gets blocked 95% of the time when he tries to drive to the hoop yet he continues to try and continues to fail.
I hope Earl Clark isn’t on this team next year.
THAT was a rough but fun loss. Can Delly start for the rest of the season? The ball movement was the best it’s been all season. He does so many little things like getting the ball down the court and getting the team into their offense early. He clearly has a learning curve, and he has to get himself an ability to at least get a shot up when he drives. He needs to watch clips of J.J. Barea, Luke Ridenour in his prime, and Steve Nash… He was -9 for the game, but was a part of the overall… Read more »
All KJ posts: Dion is the best and you must never criticize him. Kyrie sucks.
Oh and anyone notice how much better our D has been with Kyrie out? It has to be said, he might be our worst wing defender…now, he does make up for it generally by scoring but man, you notice how much less penetration there has been with Kyrie “swinging gate” Irving out these last 3 games…
You are being ridiculously hard on Dion. You didn’t think 26 points in 26 minutes on 50% shooting against the Nets was pretty good? Really? Cuz he didn’t drive enough? So, it’s not enough to score super-efficiently in a game? Now it has to include the kind of shots you think he should be taking? Umm, ok. Whatever… I notice not a single mention about Dion having they ANOTHER double-digit 4th quarter and showing clutch-ness time and time again? You can’t measure heart and desire through advanced stats so don’t mention it? Your complaint about Dion cutting to get “easy… Read more »