What does Adjusted Plus Minus say about the 2013 – 2014 Cavs?
2014-01-14Editor’s Note: Comments were accidentally turned off for this article, earlier. They’ve been re-enabled.
As gets mentioned around here a tad, Nate, Tom and I, in addition to the esteemed Randall Cooper (@laughingcavs), started another website, gotbuckets, largely devoted to Adjusted Plus Minus (APM) and Regularized APM (RAPM). For a brief discussion of APM, check here. Yesterday, the first update of 2-year APM to incorporate 2013 – 2014 play was posted. With that, let’s discuss what the results may mean for the 2013 – 2014 Cavs. Keep in mind that these results include all games from 02/14/2012 through 01/06/2014 (not exactly two years due to strike shortened season), so it’s much more than just this season. Using reasonably large sample sizes is important for APM though.
Based on the update, Tristan Thompson rates as approximately the NBA’s 150th best player over this time frame, slightly below average on offense (average being approximately zero), but a positive defensive force. Compared to the regression encompassing the 2011 – 2012 and 2012 – 2013 seasons, Tristan’s early play this season is slightly improved on offense, but regressed on defense. That particular result will be discussed a bit more with Andrew Bynum, but as a snapshot of this entire 2-year timeframe, APM pegs Tristan pretty well.
Over the previous five seasons, the APM regression continues to give Anderson Varejao much credit for any Cavaliers success, especially as a defensive nuisance, where he rates among the league’s best. For the four prior 2-season regressions, his overall APM never rated lower than 78th. Based on the current update, he reaches a peak level of tenth. That certainly overstates Andy’s importance, but his impact on the team’s fortunes does go under appreciated, especially outside of Cleveland. Through 36 games this season, the Cavs had been 10.8 points per 100 possessions better with Wild Thing on the court. Can the NBA put a guy averaging 8 points and 10 boards in the All-Star game?
With Andy, I wanted to raise the readers’ spirits before mentioning Kyrie Irving. The APM regression probably declares him the most overrated player in the NBA. His offense has been solid, ranking as the 50th best per possession player of guys with over 2000 minutes during this timeframe. But his defense? The result that gets churned out is hideous, in the bottom ten percent. The end result…a below average player. A variety of thoughts on this:
- In small sample sizes, APM can be quirky. Kyrie is a young guy that battled injuries each of the previous two seasons. It can be deceiving to read too much into one or two years of APM. Once upon a time, Wayne Winston, one of the originators of APM, said he would not want Kevin Durant on his team, primarily due to his early career APM results. It seemed silly then, and is obviously worse in hindsight. With his elite offensive ability, Kyrie’s evaluation via APM will almost certainly improve (Durant now rates as elite, as would be expected…3rd on the gotbuckets MVP board).
- Andrew Bynum used to be one of the NBA’s best paint defenders. The spreadsheet that calculates APM has no idea that he is a shell of the player he was in 2011 – 2012, half of which season is still included in a 2-year regression. But it does know that several Cavs have been playing with Bynum, the formerly amazing defensive enforcer. To an unbiased regression, why are recent defenses featuring Bynum so poor? Certainly most of the blame gets dispersed onto the other Cavs playing with Bynum. (As time goes by, Bynum’s 2011 – 2012 performance will constitute less and less of the regression, and all that will be left is his largely stationary November and December of 2013. As the regression only considers that Bynum, the Cavs that played with him will see a positive bounce).
- From the 2011 – 12 and 2012 – 13 regression, Kyrie was a top-15 offensive player out of guys with over 2000 minutes. Obviously after last year’s All-Star break and early this season, something was amiss with Kyrie’s shot. If he keeps draining shots and flashing his recently improved penchant for distributing (prior to Sunday, over his previous 10 games, he averaged 7.3 assists and only 2.4 turnovers), he should resume a trajectory towards the league’s elite offensive players.
- So there are some reasons to not over think Kyrie’s APM. On the other hand, it would be dumb to ignore it. Steph Curry is 4.5 standard deviations above Kyrie. Damian Lillard is 3.5. That is not a statistical fluke. Certainly early in his career, Kyrie has been and still can be an abysmal defender. It’s something he needs to keep improving on. Also, the Cavs stink, and have for a few years. His fancy, extended ball-handling displays probably don’t lift the performance of his teammates as well as they could. Anyways, keep working on defense, and on offense, play like he did pre-All Star break 2013, and the recent ten games stretch. Easy, right?
Dion Waiters rates as a reasonably solid player, largely thanks to APM’s assessment of his defensive play improving from last year, when he provided the 14th worst defensive APM in the entire league. Generally there appears to be a positive “chaos effect” that Dion imparts into the offense, moving the ball and attacking the basket, as the team’s offense performed 5.1 pp100p better with him on the court last year (best differential on team), and continues to show more success this year when he plays. On the other hand, don’t automatically get over-excited about one APM set. If this continues as a trend, then we’re onto something.
Jarrett Jack rates as ineffective on offense and defense, calculating overall as part of the bottom 25% of all NBA players. Thanks to his brief time with the Cavs, his offensive value has plummeted, whereas in Golden State, he was above average.
The APM regression churns out that C.J. Miles has actually been the second best per-possession player on the Cavs during this 2-year timeframe. I won’t go that far, but for 2 years and $4.5 million total, he’s been a really nice free agent signing for Cleveland. Almost amazingly, through Friday the Wine & Gold outscored their opponents by 3.7 pp100p during Miles’ 646 minutes. That is equivalent to a 52 win team. Keep finding minutes for that man.
Who should those minutes come from? Well, Alonzo Gee of course. His APM has progressively worsened from 2011 to 2012 to 2013 to 2014. It was a nice dream, thinking the Cavs unearthed a rotation player from the D-League, but that time has come and gone.
APM also continues to exhort a loud, “Earl Clark stinks at offense!”, where the updated result indicates he is the NBA’s 19th worst player at bucket generating. The real problem is that APM has never considered him better than average at D. Add it up, and it’s not pretty.
But who cares, right? Luol Deng!! He continues to grade out as a guy who is generally average or better on offense, and well above average on defense. Whereas no longer showing up as elite on D, still, minute weighted, APM likes him as a top 50 NBA player. In the Eastern Conference, that may warrant an All-Star berth.
The early results of 2013 – 2014 have plummeted Andrew Bynum into the bottom 20% of players according to APM. Based on the remnants of 2011 – 2012 still in the current regression, his defense rates as above average, but I can tell you, it is not. A mediocre Cavalier defense was notably worse (3 pp100p) when the slow-moving seven-footer took the court.
Finally, Tyler Zeller. Based on limited minutes this year, he is still largely saddled with last season’s underwhelming performance. APM thinks he stinks, and we are still biding our time waiting to find out if that is right.
That is it. Matt Dellavedova and Anthony Bennett haven’t registered 750 minutes, so no 2-year APM for them yet. Other than Varejao and Miles, the results aren’t necessarily pretty. I may be the only one, but it will be exciting to see how Kyrie, Tristan and Dion’s play continues to affect the scoreboard moving forward.
@Ross, actually yeah, that’s a pretty good post! I would love for people to stop hating on Dion cuz as you say, he is not the problem.
And @Nate we would ALL be wise to remember that. I really wish we all (fans, media and ownership) would have made the expectations going into this season more reasonable based on the youth of this team.
Not sure I’d take that trade even without the amnesty.
@ Cooley Ford
I thought it was once a year or every other year.
@ Not sure… says
We already amnestied Baron Davis. It’s a one-time thing, via the most recent CBA. I like the idea, but it’s a no go.
I’m fighting hard to avoid getting dogmatic about Kyrie with our fancy stat. Kevin does a great job laying out the caution when looking at these numbers.
Kyrie is ridiculously talented, and one of the most valuable assets in the NBA– it would take a lot more evidence for me to think otherwise. APM simply suggests he has a long ways to go up the learning curve; but so does the Cavs’ record and bottom-5 offense through 40 games.
I think a big fish trade is coming, and Kyrie will be sent away for a pick. Perhaps the Lakers would look to shed Steve Nash to get some more cap space. We package Kyrie, Gee, and two 2nd rounders for Nash’s corpse and the right to swap first rounders with them this year. We can amnesty Nash, right? That could give us amazing options if we get in the playoffs with a first round exit. -Embiid (floor is Diop, ceiling is Hakeem, just my opinion), Smart, Parker, Wiggins, Exum, Cauley-Stein, LaVine, etc. Gives the Lakers more cap space and… Read more »
Agreed, Ross. I still think Kyrie can improve quite a bit.
Haha, well said, Nate.
Yes, I have to consistently tell myself, “People in their early 20s are, by and large, idiots. Remember, the Cavs are comprised of mostly idiots… but they will mature.” #TheKidsAreAlright
I love Mike Conley but in no way would I trade Kyrie straight up for him. Kyrie is 5 years younger than him, and Conley has SIGNIFICANTLY improved from five years ago. Furthermore, 21 year old Conley doesn’t remotely compare to 21 year old Kyrie. Lest we all forget, Kyrie Irving isn’t close to a finished product yet.
Great article, Nate. Thanks for sharing. Somebody needs to slow down The Hype Train.
A counterpoint, Lottery.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markheisler/2014/01/12/nba-wakes-to-find-andrew-wiggins-and-entire-class-of-14-arent-that-good/
Also, the sad fact is, I don’t think the Cavs could get Conley for Irving. Hollinger is surely savvier than that.
This is just more evidence of the foolishness of trying to make the playoffs this year…this team isn’t very good, and the Deng trade shouldn’t make Grant’s seat any cooler. It would appear that every single Grant move this off-season was a complete flop (besides the Bynum contract). Jack is a horrendous fit (why not spend a fourth of the money to keep Livingston?), Clark is stealing $9 from the Cavs, and Bennett is a disaster (although, admittedly, it’s too early too tell). To make matters worse, MB continues to display an astounding degree of ineptitude in his profession. The… Read more »
I’m not opposed to them gauging market value for Kyrie either. See what kind of haul they could get for him. I’m not excited by the idea of trading him, but if we were blown away by an offer, then why not?
Also, Kj’s future post: See, APM proves that DION FREAKING WAITERS is not the problem. I’ve been telling you all season. Kyrie is the REAL PROBLEM in Cleveland. He’s the supposed superstar. Doesn’t look like a superstar according to APM. Everyone needs to stop HATIN’ ON DION!!!!!!
Expecting the post in 10…9…8…
Only the organization can know all the facts, but if the rumors are true that Kyrie is unhappy in Cleveland, why go down the “appease our superstar at all costs” again for a player who advanced stats show is roughly average??
I know roughly average is a reach here, but Post 2013 ASG he has regressed and we continue to lose at a historic rate with him as our “star”
Interesting point, Nate. I’m a huge fan of Conley: Check out their comparative WP/48:
http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/148-mike-conley
http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/470-kyrie-irving
Still, I wouldn’t want to trade Irving. But why not discreetly gauge the market?
I never thought I’d say this, but I think the Cavs ought to be very discreetly gauging what they could get for Kyrie. Mike Conley would be nice… I’m not saying trade him, just gauge the market.
Do the stats surrounding Kyrie change the perception (in the organization & the league) that Kyrie automatically deserves a MAX contract?
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Varejao for the All-Star game!