Links to the Present: Big Guy And Sloan Conference Edition
2014-03-05The news has spread that LeBron James may be attending Zydrunas Ilgauskas’s jersey retirement ceremony March 8th. The NBA schedule works out for LeBron, and the past works for the pair too. LeBron grew up watching Big Z lead a lot of terrible Cavs teams. Big Z hopes the star of Akron is received warmly, since they are friends.
I, on the other hand, hope LeBron is not received at all. The night is about Big Z and just a whiff of LeBron is going to lead to a handful of boos, cheers, and inevitable coverage about the pair’s friendship that overshadow the big guy.
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Candace Buckner of The Indianapolis Star gives a memoir of sorts about a Cav that will never have a jersey retired, Andrew Bynum. I read the piece and really wanted to sympathize with Bynum because he does seem like he tries hard and was pushed too much at a young age. Then Bynum says, “Obviously, when I’m not playing, I tend to feel better because I’m not doing anything.” All I can think is the Cavs gave you six million dollars. What does it take to motivate you? Bynum says it’s winning, so maybe things will work out better for him on a team where he doesn’t play that much and can actually win.
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Speaking of other big men past their prime the Cavs have signed, remember when the Cavs tried the Shaqsperiment? This story was overheard at the Sloan conference this past weekend.
“When [Shaquille O’Neal] came off the court after four games, I stood him up and asked him ‘What’s the greatest thing Wilt Chamberlain did?’ … He liked stats, so he said ‘He averaged 50 points per game.’ I said ‘Pretty good, but not quite. He played 48 minutes a game. Could you do that?’ … Tried it for six games, he didn’t like it so much. Then, he got in shape.”
— Former NBA head coach Phil Jackson, on getting Shaq into shape [Timothy Varner, ESPN.com]
Shaq was out of shape for us too.
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The Sloan conference presented a new way to look at players any area on the floor. Teams can now track how many points a given player is probable to generate in any situation with expected point value (EPV). This stat takes into account items such as how close to an opposing player a pass puts the ball, where a player is on the floor, and what type of shot or pass the player who just received the ball could potentially make.
You can calculate how valuable a player is by how much of an increase or decrease in EPV the player had when he first touched the ball till the actual shot or end of the possession. Chris Paul had the highest EPV added rank last season. This season Jose Calderon is leading the league in EPV added and showing people the NBA really is where amazing happens.
For Cavs fans, I think the EPV stat could help us to figure out if Luol Deng is actually playing poorly when he has a 5-15 night. His EPV could be trying to break out of the Q for all I know. Maybe he is passing or cutting on the floor in a way that he’s the Viagra of the Cavs for EPV.
It can definitely prove Jarret Jack is a shot jacker when he passes up the open three for a running contested floater. And, for Kyrie Irving, the Cavs coaching staff could show him if he is actually making possession wise choices and the final shot isn’t going in, or they can show him if he is in the wrong when he pouts at another missed open three by Alonzo Gee.
There are almost too many ways I could figure out uses for EPV to justify my hates and loves in the NBA, but it really isn’t helpful for losing teams. The stat takes too much into account that isn’t related to scoring like passing efficiently and making the right decision (Yes, I did type that on purpose and Allen Iverson didn’t make me say that). I don’t care if our team ranks high in EPV added stats if they are still under five hundred. If we were winning consistently, then maybe this stat could help us tweak something when we had an odd losing streak or lost a player. Until then, it’s only justifying moral victories. It’s also making me think twice about Kyrie playing isolation ball every other play in close or blowout games. That is never a good thing.
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There was another presentation that suggested there is a such thing as a hot hand. When Matty D makes a three and then proceeds to throw up two more, he’s going off of science. CJ Miles and Dion Waiters most likely sent the article to each other the day it came out and didn’t heed the warnings it gave.
The observed improvement is modest. If you’ve made more shots than you’d be expected to make given the difficulty of your past four, the new research shows that your field goal percent actually goes up by 1.2 percent, a small but significant effect. [Beckley Mason, ESPN]
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The conference isn’t all stats though. It’s a lot of reported anecdotes too. Adam Silver doesn’t see PED use, knows fans love gambling, and would love to raise the minimum age for the NBA. I enjoy gambling, and if there are PEDs being used, they aren’t being abused too much because guys aren’t running around ripping other players’ arms off in a full on rage.
The idea to raise the minimum age would actually benefit a lot of teams that are trying to rebuild such as the Cavs. There would no longer be groups of barely grown boys collaborating on their next big fart based prank after signing a million dollar endorsement and being told that money makes them men. Leadership from growing up would appear on a more regular basis as players got their youth mentored out of them at college.
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I have a special request to make today. Big Z has always been known as a standup guy in the Cleveland community, and the writers at Cavs: The Blog would love to hear about any first hand encounters our readers have had with him. Please send these stories to Nate Smith, oldseaminer at gmail.com, by Thursday evening. They might be used in an upcoming post.
who wants to buy some dvds?
KJ, van Grundy is not coaching and when he was coaching, he was not much to write home about. Don’t pay attention to a fool. I myself think that it would be even nicer if LeBron would come down for Zees night. Go Cavs
I was cutting some jerk’s hair this one time and Z stopped in trying to sell some DVDs.
LeBron James isn’t on roids, he’s an athletic freak, we all knew that about him WAY before he could afford to use PED. He just has a body that allows him to put on mass without sacrificing speed. I’m all in on the LBJ hate boat guys but I refuse to believe that guy does PEDs. He’s even hard to hate with how serious he takes basketball. That just makes me hate him more.
Z stories? I was living in Montana when he was drafted – watched the draft at the ubercool Chico Saloon… I remarked who is this Zydraunus guy anyway? And among the 10-12 people in the bar.. one was from Kaunus, LOL. By the time he finished describing Z as a plat as as a person, I was a total fan!
I really doubt lBJ is using PEDs. He grew a ton when he got the nba because he had his whole life to workout with no commitment to school. He was also still growing.
I think PEDs are seriously abused in the NBA. The league barely tests for anything, and with all the money and viewers rolling in they have zero incentive to do so.
I think NBA PED abuse is the biggest unexplored story in sports right now. Seriously just LOOK at LBJ, he doesn’t pass the eyeball test. Same way after the fact everyone was like “Oh Yeah, in hindsight Mark McGuire did look a little juiced up”.
Apply for access to the sports-vu data, run some spatial analysis, and provide some quantitative evidence that the term “close-out” should be reduced to a smaller range then.
As with all research, both quantitative and qualitative, these presentations are based on a ton of assumptions that likely don’t hold true in reality. If you take issue with a finding, then write a response.
These presentations aren’t declaring law (universal principles). They’re just showing what a bunch of basketball nerds, making a bunch of assumptions, have found in some data.
I think Van Gundy is right to question the way stats are thrown around so much. However, they are only going to get better and you can’t ignore them totally. Also, Stan Van Gundy is in a unique position of having Howard on his team when Howard couldn’t be justified by just stats. He showed up in the box score, but all of the mental stuff he did to teams with his defense couldn’t be recorded by any stat. I think a lot of the way stats are being played out shows up in the battle between front offices and… Read more »
You missed the real story of the conference and that was Van Gundy rightly questioning who supplies this numbers and why stats without eyeball tests by experienced basketball people are not that valuable. He made some very cogent points. It’s been my beef that so many in the blogosphere use these stats to covey a degree of expertise by so many, esp when it defies what it is seen on the court (like a writer the other day at FTS claiming Kyrie was a better defender then Dion, which is ludicrous if you watch then every minute of every game… Read more »
Wish I had an actual first hand encounter with Z to share. While I had been a Cavs fan all my life, growing up in the boonies with only two or three channels on tv I was more of an NBA fan in general than any real devotion to the Cavs. We finally got satellite when I was in highschool, so 96 was the first draft that I ever watched and also the first time I could see the Cavs on a regular basis. I’ve followed Z’s career from day one. There were brief glimpses of someone who could totally… Read more »