Joel Embiid: From Cameroon to Number One Pick
2014-06-11Joel Embiid is a freak physically who had decent stats in college. His freshman year matches up pretty well with Tim Duncan’s freshman year. Those are just numbers though. There have been plenty of busts that had wonderful college box scores and amazing bodies. What is important is what actual skills Embiid has that can be seen, not just measured. So, I deal with the numbers and what is being witnessed separately. Luckily for Joel, he appears legitimate when you read his box scores and witness him play.
In the Raw
Joel Embiid is a 7’0,” 240 pounds and sports a 7’5” wing span. Embiid grew up in Cameroon playing soccer and volleyball. He’s only twenty years old and has been playing basketball since 2011. His path to America through basketball is unique, but his path to actually playing basketball was the same as most people his height. He was pulled to a basketball camp just because of the chance he may become good.
The camp was led by Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, and the NBA player immediately saw that Embiid had amazing moves for someone who had never played organized basketball. Mbah a Moute eventually talked Embiid’s father into sending him to the Montverde Academy in Flordia to play basketball. However, Embiid didn’t see playing time during his junior year, so he transferred to the Rock School, also in Florida. Mbah a Moute called the Rock school on Embiid’s behalf to get him a spot on the team.
Kansas assistant coach and former Florida native, Norm Roberts, brought the big kid to the attention of Kansas head coach, Bill Self. Self watched Embiid practice and concluded he could be a dominant force and a future number one pick.
During his time at Kansas University, he averaged 11.2 points on 62.6% shooting to go along with 8.1 rebounds and 2.6 blocks. He turned the ball over 2.6 times a game and fouled 3.4 times a game. All of this was done averaging only 23.1 minutes.
Moving past the basic stats, Embiid had a PER of 28.2 (first in the BIG 12) and nabbed 20.5 % of all rebounds (second in the BIG 12). He had the highest defensive rating in the BIG 12 at 90.9.
Embiid has been compared to Hakeem Olajuwon and Tim Duncan. His stats are comparable to Duncan’s freshman year stats at Wake Forest when Duncan averaged 9.8 points to go with 9.6 rebounds per game. Duncan also had 3.6 blocks a game.
The high points of Embiid’s game:
-Amazing body control
-Has post moves
-Good at blocking people in the paint
-Runs like a little guy
-He rebounds and jogs up the floor every play, no sitting back
The low points of his game:
-Over helps
-Turns the ball over
-Losses his man at times
-Doesn’t understand how to use his body
-Fouls a lot
-May have back issues (more on that further down)
Stats along with background information and bullet points about his game have been gathered from ESPN.COM, NBADRAFT.NET, DRAFTEXPRESS.COM, and the Wall Street Journal. When videos have a start time, the first basketball activity following that is what is being referenced.
From My Eyes
I’ve probably watched about fifteen hours of Embiid footage in the past three weeks through Youtube and browsing Draft Express. Needless to say, having immersed myself in his footage, I am now a professional level scout. One thing I haven’t seen in all this footage is Embiid shirtless. Stay with me here. I have never seen a seven foot person that moves how Embiid does. He doesn’t have the flub/bulk that most seven foot players have and a shirtless picture of him would ascertain that. To make my point more clear look how he appears next to the smaller Andrew Wiggins. Joel’s proportionate. It shows as he runs. You don’t feel empathy for him because running looks enjoyable in his body. He doesn’t have the same extra stress weight you have from being a Cavs fan in a Cleveland Winter.
In volleyball, you move your hands quickly so you don’t palm the ball, and you keep your hands up to stay ready. Joel Embiid brings those traits to the basketball floor. He makes quick movements most of the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvx20ZejUyU
From the footage I’ve seen, Embiid is pretty quick to get into a shooting motion, dribble, or do a post move. The above video shows his quick decision making during his first two offensive possessions. This keeps teams from stopping him; however, when he is a second too slow, he panics if he’s doubled and usually throws errant passes leading to his high turnover rate. This may become a problem in the NBA as lots of teams pack the paint to stop easy buckets.
Embiid should move past that phase quickly. He usually keeps the ball high when he is the post. Remember when the only way to stop a young Dwight Howard was to rip the ball from him as he brought it to his waist to gather? Embiid is past that issue already and just needs to work on decision making when he is panicked. He also has a crazy power move which has gone unnoticed. Remember Goku’s Spirit Bomb attack that took at least seven episodes to happen?
Embiid’s dunking is practically the same thing and takes three seconds to do. Watch his recent work out video and you will be amazed.
He is doing drop step moves three feet in from the three-point line and finishing with one dribble. That’s amazing by itself, but what’s even more amazing is watching his college highlights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn-dtrmh0nM#t=0m466s
Embiid has a rip through move on the level of Kevin Durant that could be named an R.I.P. move. It can be seen in the workout video against no defense. The mechanics are solid.
Imagine if Durant was able to do his rip through, then take one dribble from the three line , then have the strength to take all the hits in the paint , and then finally dunk over someone. That’s what Joel has. He can catch a pass on the side of the key, spin to face up and put the ball to the inside of the defender in one motion before dribbling and scoring. It’s fast and catches people out of nowhere. Now, pair that with good jump shot form and you have a seven foot man that can take a player off the dribble at the three line in the near future.
Witness a perfect executed fake to drive followed by a nice looking jumper against Kansas. That is exactly what will be torturing defenses in the future.
Defensively, just ahhhhhhhh. He could make Kyrie Irving look so much better by erasing Irving’s lapses.
Irving’s man blows by and wants to use the hoop to shield himself from a defender. It doesn’t happen anymore.
One of the knocks on Embiid by professional scouts is that he over helps on defense and his guy slips under for easy points. It’s a very valid point, but at the NBA level this won’t be as much of an issue because players are taught to switch to the open man as soon as their guy gets switched onto. His lost man won’t be uncovered as much in the NBA.
Speaking of boxing out, Embiid is able to do that in a way that allows him to get his rebounds. Players like Roy Hibbert are said to help the team rebound by boxing out, but Embiid is able to box out then recover quickly to grab the ball. That is a help on any team that needs players focused on keeping shooters from being open on tip outs.
Embiid does suffer from trying to block every shot and will fall for pump fakes, but as time goes on he will get better about doing that. This has to happen because the biggest threat to him succeeding in the NBA, aside from health issues, is going to be an inability to stay on the floor. His adjusted foul rate for forty minutes puts him at 5.8 fouls. He’s fouling out in the NBA no matter what if he doesn’t get better at playing solid defense. NBA players will pump fake and stutter step until Embiid goes to the bench. Embiid fouls so much for a few reasons: he doesn’t know how much to help, so he often gets out of position; he gets frustrated if players try to pull him out of the paint; and he just isn’t patient enough to realize his size alone is going to deter shots without moving or jumping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn-dtrmh0nM#t=0m750s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVty1H2QwRI#t=0m397s
A veteran big man, such as the Cavs’ Anderson Varejao, will have to work with Embiid to teach him that just being big and in the right spot can do wonders for a team defensively. Andy is one of the better players in the NBA at just moving with his hands up high and bugging people. Embiid won’t get as many big blocks when he starts to play this way, but he will see the floor more and become much more effective overall.
That brings me to my last point: he’s only played organized basketball three years. He’s going to get better and if he is already this good what will his end point be? Nobody knows, but everybody hopes he reaches it.
There is talk that he may have back issues. My first retort is check out the workout video I posted of him earlier. It’s above, but here it is again. That’s not that old. I don’t think he’s injured anymore with how he’s moving. But, Trevor Magnotti at Right Down Euclid researched his injury extensively and determined it was nothing serious. My conclusion, “Please don’t be injury prone.” Let Trevor be right and let the young man from Cameroon become the number one pick.
i mean freshman year
tim duncan averaged 9 points his rookie year
How is a guy that scored 12 PPG a #1 pick? Yay, he’s big. Yay, he has great footwork. He is a development project with an uncertain outcome.
I smell a bust pick of epic proportions.
Well if we can get 20 minutes out of Embiid and 20 out of Andy we almost have a whole game covered!
CtB gang:
Is there any way to view the postings in chronological order?
In the new setup, you can see that the number of postings has jumped, but you have to walk the entire page to find what new has been added.
Another suggestion would be for new postings to be highlighted in yellow from the last time that you clicked on the page.
See elevenwarriors.com for an example. It’s a very useful feature.
@Probballdraft: News is positive in Cleveland after Cavs examine Joel Embiid’s back and see no longterm concerns, according to a source.
Of course there were no “long term concerns.” This injury had been dealt with fine by plenty of current and former NBA bigs. The irrational fear of big men (specifically Oden) caused the silly season on Embiid, not the actual injury…
Of course the Cavs aren’t going to say there are long term concerns even if they think some may really exist.
Well, they passed on Noel so I’ll guess we’ll wait and see…
It’s really a fascinating study. There’s Five players at the top of the draft that are as good as any prospect in the last four years (save Anthony Davis). Wiggins: Could end up being the best pure athlete in NBA history. He’s probably as fast as anyone in the league right now, and can jump as high. His problem? His coordination hasn’t caught up with his athleticism yet, but it’s getting closer and closer to happening. If it does, we’ll all feel stupid if the Cavs pass on him. Parker: Elite scorer with advanced ball-handling skills, and is a better… Read more »
Trading back is cowardly. Pick the guy you think is going to be the best. It’s probably Wiggins or Embiid. That’s a really tough choice.
I agree. Take Wiggins, Take Embiid. Live with it. Either way you are going to get a really good player.
It’s “utter silliness” if you don’t do any research I suppose…speaking of that, your suppositions on Wiggins are just that based on very little concrete.
As one year players, all, there’s very little concrete on any of them.
Yet what there is concrete of them can be compared and when one is better in nearly every statistic one can find, a reasoned decision can be made, no?
I don’t agree with Mallory’s theses on needing a wing, but I am surprised people are ignoring GINOBLI. Dude is an elite wing. In his prime he was insane. Love me some Ginobli.
I wrote a poem:
Unless you’re high on weed
you draft Embiid.
There really is no choice. He passes the eye test AND (again, unlike Wiggins) his adv numbers project VERY well. This is without question as big of a no-brainer as drafting Kyrie over Williams was a few years ago.
I think Wiggins projects to be a much better prospect than Derrick Williams. I think Embiid is the best prospect and I would like to see the Cavs draft him, but let’s not act like its an epic fail if they go with Wiggins or Parker.
Slightly OT but we probably already have our SF of the future in our roster! Check this out: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/11064231/clint-capela-leads-projection-top-10-international-prospects-2014-nba-draft?ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_Pelton_Intlprospects
Karasev is the 9th best foreign prospect in the last 7 years according to Pelton.
Why is everyone asleep on Sergey?
FANTASTIC question KJ….
…..maybe because Mike Brown fell asleep on him?
Kind of but really, with the stupid, outsized emphasis on making the playoffs, young player development clearly took a backseat last season.
Because the guy couldn’t get on the floor at all on a horrible Cavs team. He might be a decent bench player but if he was good enough to start then he should’ve seen some court time last year.
Forgive me if I do not give up on a 19-yr old foreign-born player after one seasin who has good adv stats projection…
You are forgiven. My guess is that he’s just not quick enough to be a starter. Maybe he can be a decent spot up shooter.
Any judgements on Sergey, such as you made there, are premature, to say the least…
The reason there are more dominant wings than centers is because there are a LOT more super athletes that are wing size than center size. Recent years are a fluke in lack of top centers. Things will return to normal, and the Cavs have a chance to have to get there first. The argument that because some big guys could not play (Diop, etc.) means big men can’t dominate is beyond dumb. There are also plenty of wing size guys that can’t play. If you could get a 22 year old Wilt or Bill right now, you would be the… Read more »
Raoul (and others advocating bigs)- with things as they are, the dominant bigs will NOT be coming back. Some of this has to do with the quality of bigs out there….but most of it has to do with rule changes the NBA has implemented over time. Due to the reduction of hand checking, allowance of zone-like defenses, and coaching up-tempo style, you need guys who have the athletic ability to meet those demands. Don’t believe me? Look at the NFL. A number of years ago, the NFL starting tightening the rules on what coverage players on defense were allowed to… Read more »
Is someone gonna do a piece like this on Wiggins? I hope that is the case so I can ask again, after I post all of his terrible numbers and film of him being dominated, why anyone considers him a potential number 1 pick.
Here’s a bonus for ya: Wiggins has a WORSE DRtg then Parker! “Defensive stopper!”
Oh, btw, you MAKE a trend, not follow them. You take a center that will dominate his position for years and MAKE everyone else adjust.
Yep. What he says!
BONUS! Does it matter that Wiggins had a better ortg than the other two?
And had a worse everything else? Hmmm?
What? He has a worse jump shot than Embiid? Can’t jump as high as Parker?
Kj- What do you make of this data? Compare points oer possession and points per possession allowed for Kansas with/without Wiggins and Embiid… For Wiggins: PPP with: 1.16 PPP without: 1.09 Difference: +0.07 PPPA with: 1.01 PPPA without: 1.10 Difference: -0.09 For Embiid: PPP with: 1.17 PPP without: 1.13 Difference: +0.04 PPPAwith: 1.00 PPP without: 1.04 Difference: -0.04 Assuming a conservative estimate of 40 possessions per team for a Kansas game, Embiid made Kansas +3.2 points better (1.6 from offense and 1.6 from defense). Wiggins made Kansas +6.4 points better (2.8 from offense and 3.6 from defense). I’m not saying… Read more »
Nate McMillan contacted by the Cavs for the ever elusive head coaching gig. How does that sound? Another coach who’s lost in the first round 4 out of 5 times he’s made the playoffs.
I’ve said it a million times and I’ll say it again – you NEED an elite wing to win an NBA title. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. The Spurs are probably the only exception to the rule, and that’s largely because of the genius of Pop. All the “real” contenders beyond the Spurs (Heat, Thunder, Pacers, and even the Clips) have elite wings. Note: Blake Griffin’s game has developed far enough that he’s no longer a one-dimensional dunker – he has range and plays smaller than his height/weight would suggest. The dude is closer to Dirk than he… Read more »
I think you’re overlooking the fact that the Cavs don’t have an interior defensive presense. Their best post defender is Andy, and he’s 31 and has trouble staying healthy. This is especially problematic when you consider how easily they give up dribble penetration from the opposing backcourt. Having Wiggins would help solve some of that, but not all. Embiid has the tools to become a rim protector.
presence, not presense
How did you come to that determination? It seems more like you need 3 good players, and so one of them is almost certain to be a wing. Heat – Lebron isn’t making the Heat win because he is an “elite wing” he is making them win because he is a once in a lifetime player paired with two all-stars. Thunder – KD, see Lebron You don’t think if those two were transcendent bigs, in the vein of Shaq or Tim Duncan, they might not have a shot at rings? Pacers – Ok, George is great. Their secret weapon against… Read more »
Agree w/ Brandon. You don’t need elite wings. You need elite players. Lebron and Durant are the two best players in the league right now. You also need several top players. And chemistry (aka these days as “fit”)
Players win games. Not positions.
I agree with Brandon. Embiid is the pick. The Cavs already have wing player in Waiters, they just need spot up shooter at the 3 now not another ball dominating SF. The CAVS are taking Embiid, there really is no debate about it.
I’d be fine with Wiggins as well. But I’m leaning Embiid now. Your analysis is off though. Every team but the Heat has had a good to great big man when they won. The Lakers had Shaq, the Heat had Shaq, the Spurs have Duncan. The Heat even have Bosh.
We have Thompson who pretty much sucks.
@Mallory Wiggins shot UNDER 30% on corner 3’s in college! The single most important shot for a SF to hit in the NBA and it is literally Wiggins’ worst shot! More magical thinking about Wiggins not backed up by facts…
KJ- what do you have against Wiggins? It seems like you personally dislike him…you give the most unflattering pieces of data but leave out the rest that doesn’t support your anti-Wiggins crusade. For instance…you conveniently forget to mention that Wiggins shoots 45% from the top of the key, 32% from the left of it, and 36% from the right. Clearly, he has range since he’s shooting better from further distances. That’s a good indicator that he’ll be able to bring up the corner 3 shooting % if he works on it. ( http://www.shotanalytics.com/2014/05/13/draft-scouting-andrew-wiggins/ ) You also don’t mention that he… Read more »
@Mallory Factor – you win with elite players – position doesn’t matter that much. Height is generally a big advantage in basketball. Rim protection is a huge advantage. Height + quickness is a HUGE advantage. Your obssession with an elite wing is borderline ridiculous. Even with emphasis on three point shooting, an elite center/big is still a huge advantage and when Anthony Davis starts dominating the league soon, you’ll see that. And, while it’s true that the Spurs have a system, Tim Duncan has been at the heart of ALL of their success over the past 15 years. I don’t… Read more »
Mallory. I 100% agree with your premise needing an elite SF. But I think you might be selling low on Kawhi Leonard. The guy is unappreciated but I really think he’s closer than people think to Paul George. His PER is 19.43 5th for all SFs behind Durant, Lebron, Carmelo, and George (who wasn’t far ahead of him at 20.16) and his defense is definitely top tier. His usage was only 17.0 so he’s putting up good numbers considering his number of touches. Last night they said the Spurs were something like 54-12 when he played this season, and 8-8… Read more »
I don’t see how they can pass on this guy. He’s already got great basketball skills and a 7 footer who can move with that agility and ease is awesome.
This isn’t Tristan Thompson or Diop coming into the NBA with zero skills except rebounding. This guy can shoot, can move, and already has post moves.
This isn’t even Drummond. This guy looks like the real deal.
@Cols I am right in line with you. This guy is better than Drummond right now. So, for those who want to pass on Embiid, just realize what you’re saying. This guy has the makeup to be a complete force. I don’t see Embiid as anything close to Diop. Here’s why. Embiid gave up an Olympic volleyball career to pursue basketball. He was already using his elite skills, in a team environment, at the highest level. He has shooting ability AND clear moves other guys didn’t bring to the table until much later. — As far as Wiggins goes, you’re… Read more »
After reading a lot of this, I’m kind of changing my stance on Embiid needing to be the pick (if healthy). And to be clear, it’s not because I’ve changed any of my views on what he can become as a player. I still think he’s special (and not of the short-bus variety). Just reading and digesting all the stats and reviews about him being newer to the game- his learning curve is going to be LOOOOOOOOOOOONG. And I don’t know that the Cleveland fans and media are willing to be that patient. What Cavs fans can expect over the… Read more »
I think Embiid isn’t going to be asked to do as much as he was in college here. Embiid will run the pick and roll and probably get garbage buckets. He already has pretty good offensive footwork and being in a place with a point guard and other players that can help him get space will help a ton. He won’t get doubled as much and will work off of Kyrie. NBA level players will help him land in the right spot on the floor, avoid giving him the ball when there is a chance he can be hacked, and… Read more »
I don’t want to wait for a big man with only 3 years experience to develop. Wiggins has a tremendously high ceiling as well, although not as high as Embiid. Prefer to take Wiggins and acquire someone like Asik to anchor the D.
Asik cannot shoot. Embiid can be a rim protector and be a stretch 4 like Bosh. The CAVS already have a wing in Waiters that can create his own shot. They need a spot up shooter at the 3 not another ball dominant wing.
This is true, but a look around the league shows you don’t NEED a dominant big to succeed anymore. A team does need a dominant wing though. The Spurs are succeeding because of their incredible system and deep talent. Duncan isn’t carrying that team, he’s just participating and filling a role at this point in his career. I really don’t think he’s their best player anymore. The other 3 conf finals teams had good but not great big men and they’re all teams that have seen sustainable success.
You have to have an above average big to succeed. The CAVS do not have that. Boston had Pierce, Rondo, and Garnett (Allen was more of a spot up shooter at this point). Cleveland has the PG, a wing in Dion, and now they need a big. The SF on the CAVS can be a spot up shooter but doesn’t need to create his own shot since Waiters can already.
The Cavs only need a spot up shooting SF if they keep Waiters and Irving. It’s a plus if he can play defense. n fact, it’s better if he’s not ball dominant. It’s better if, outside of shooting, he can create for others.
I am overpaying for Ariza; who I would rather have because he is older.
Andy, when healthy, is definitely one of the best all around PFs in the East.
I think the Buck will grab Embiid if he’s available at #2.
This notion that big men don’t matter in today’s NBA is overstated. Tim Duncan is 38 and he’s created all sorts of problems for the Heat. There just aren’t many talented bigs in the the league right now.
Hmm. Arn Tellem really doesn’t want Embiid going to the Bucks. He doesn’t want Embiid playing behind Sanders, and doesn’t like the way the Bucks are set up long term. If they took him, I wouldn’t be surprised if Tellem threatened to have Embiid go play in Europe till the Bucks traded his rights.
This does seem to be their line of thinking, but not drafting Embiid because of Larry Sanders is laughable on their part.
It’s not that the league does not need bigs, they don’t need traditional centers. There are currently no center in the NBA that are the first option.
Centers are the dinosaur of the NBA. Most teams look for a Jordan / McGee / or a Hibbert to rebound, block shots and clean up garbage. No low post players are first option in todays NBA, not even Howard.
If the CAVS screw this up and take Wiggins or Parker, the Bucks will take Embiid. He is the best player in the last two or three drafts.
What’s the point in the Sixers getting Wiggins? I think they probably want Parker just for the offensive game. Noel is defensive minded, I thought, and Wiggins would probably take a little bit to bring along as a scorer.
*shrug* I just keep hearing they want Wiggins. The Sixers are on a long term rebuild. Might as well take the guy with the highest ceiling in that case.
So by drafting Wiggins they get the benefit of the higher upside player but potentially still a good draft or two while he (and MCW and Noel) are growing as NBA players?
OK. I’m convinced.
My ideal scenario? Cavs draft Wiggins and then hope Embiid falls to the Sixers and then they swap. If they don’t get Embiid, they hang on to Wiggins or make the Sixers pay a king’s ransom and get Parker.
I like the No. 1 and Tristan Thompson for Thad, the No. 3, and either the No. 10 or a future first rounder. That’s a good trade for both teams.
I love the idea of swapping Wiggins and TT for Embiid, Thad, and another 1st somewhere. Not sure the Sixers would want to pair TT and Noel as their front court, but I love it for the Cavs
I always felt that the Sixers are targeting Parker. He seems like a better fit at the 4. He has a lack of foot speed and is undersize for the 4. (translation: he is a Tweeners) But he would be a scorer to allow them to play Noel.
The sixers just aren’t going to draft or acquire Parker without giving up Thad, a move that could potentially bode well for the Cavs. They’re both undersized 4’s, one has a fluid offensive game the other is a defensive minded player. Can’t really coexist
This guy is pretty clearly the prospect with the highest potential and probably the best fit for the Cavs. Assuming his back checks out, I think the only other way they don’t end up taking him #1 is if they trade down (presumably with the Sixers). Can anyone think up a trade that would conceivably make both sides happy? I’ve heard #3 and #10 are in play, but that there’s no way they give up Noel or likely even MCW. I don’t think Thad is worth even the #10 and the Cavs don’t really need two high-end rookies to develop.… Read more »
The CAVS are drafting Embiid at #1, there really is no debate about it.
For some reason this guy just keeps reminding me of DeSagana Diop. Diop was hyped as the next Shaq and I heard the same stores… (He only played a few years, can’t miss talent, need to develop his offense). Sometime aptitude does not translate to stardom. He would not be the first center to never develop a true game. And yesterday’s playoff duel between James and Lenard was a clear picture of were this league is going. Plus centers are the hardest players to develop taking sometimes more than 3 years. I would feel better if the Cavs bring in… Read more »
I will agree with you that the league is trending towards successful teams that have dominant wing players more than big men. That’s a big reason why I think Wiggins is the best pick, even if Embiid is healthy. I don’t think the Diop comparison is fair though, mainly because Embiid’s offensive potential is a lot more substantiated already with his ridiculously advanced footwork and solid form on his jumper. It’s not like a Noel situation where you just kind of hope he can develop anything functional. Embiid has the foundation to be a dominant offensive force unlike any center… Read more »
What concern me is stability. To develop a big man you need an former all-star at the center spot of a crafty vet that is still playing plus a stable foundation (i.e. a coach who will be around.) That is why despite my love for Mark Price. I would love to see Karl coaching the Cavs next season. He did a great job with making something useful of JaVale McGee, I think he will have the right clout to demand respect from Irving and Dion. I’m not so sure a rookie coach can do that and develop a young big… Read more »
I don’t think Karl is even being considered. He’s had major health problems and is something of an “old school” coach. Most of the guys they’re interviewing are more progressive types. How do Gentry and Del Negro fit into that? I don’t know . . . but I’m really hoping those guys are just instances of due-diligence. I’m personally holding out for Blatt. Offensive and defensive guru who has coached at the highest level of Euro ball and won. Exactly the type of outside the box candidate the Cavs need
George Karl is old but not old school, I read an article that gave him credit for such innovations as the stretch 4 and trapping in the corners. While I have concerns about his health, he has only missed the playoff twice in all of his years. He is someone I believe can and will change the Cavs culture and is know as a running coach. Regarding Blatt, I don’t really follow the Euro league but to my understanding, if there was a meteor that killed the NBA center dinosaurs, it impacted in the Euro league. How do you see… Read more »
I know there’s no chance of this happening but this morning I was dreaming up a scenario where Karl would be brought in to coach with Price as his assistant, grooming him for the next 3-4 years where Price takes over as coach and Karl moves in to management.
Embiid can probably run the length of the court three times in the time it takes Diop to run it once. Diop was also the 8th pick or so because he wasn’t regarded anywhere near the talent Embiid is and now we do know more about basketball. Your faulty logic about wings applies to offense, on defense nothing is more important than an anchor who can defend the basket and the pick and roll.
Agree with Happy, every title team needs an above average big like Tyson Chandler, Bosh, Duncan, Gasol, Garnett, and so forth. Of course wings are imperative but title contenders have dominate or above average bigs.
Like Andy? Neither team in the Finals has a dominant C. They have dominant 4s. One a stretch (Bosh) and 1 the best PF of all time.(Duncan)