Thoughts on the Cavs Coaching Search
2014-06-10I was all set to write a scathing criticism of the Cavs coaching search, tonight. So far the search has been filled with mediocre candidates, a failed run at John Calipari, and the conspicuous snub of the 2013 coach of the year. Sensing this, Dan Gilbert and David Griffin decided to preempt my scathe-a-thon by making the one move that would totally redeem them…
They’re interviewing Mark Price on Tuesday.
I’m as excited as Anderson Varejao in a salon full of hair care products.
I don’t need to sing the praises of Mark Price. Cleveland Jackson of Stepienrules did that over three weeks ago.
Every team that has hired him as an assistant or shooting coach has improved its shooting that season.
He remains the dean of shooting a 29.5 inch circumference basketball through an 18 inch diameter rim. He invented splitting the double team off the dribble, and he remains a commander in the understanding of the pick-and-roll…
Improving the shooting of a team with future Hornets like Bismack Biyombo, Kemba Walker and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist was not an easy task. But Charlotte’s point guard Kemba Walker improved this season in his assists, three point shooting percentage, and free throw percentage. He improved developed a floater in the lane which the former Huskie used all season and into the postseason.
Price has coached at every level, and as Jackson noted, Doc Rivers, Steve Kerr, Greg Popovich, Jason Kidd, Mark Jackson, Larry Bird, and (probably) Derek Fisher all had no head coaching experience when they became head coaches. Price is at least as qualified as any of them were when they took over. And, as Jackson noted, one of the Cavs’ biggest problems is that they are a lousy shooting team. They’ve finished no better than 26th in the league in field goal percentage or and effective field goal percentage in each of the last four seasons. Price might be more qualified to help the Cavs in that area than any other coaching candidate. Did I mention I’m excited? I feel like LeBron James in a room full of “overcoming adversity” narratives.
And I’m not saying the Cavs should hire Mark Price as head coach. All that I and many members of the Cavs blogosphere have been saying is that Mark Price should get an interview. He has to be more deserving than the posterboy for NBA retreads, Alvin Gentry. My bet is that Price blows away the Cavs front office with his interview. Why do I believe that? Because Price the player was a self-made man. Our own Tom Pestak went over that this spring, when he wrote the profile for Mark Price and his #CavsRank No. 1 ranking.
Price continued his ascent to the highest ranks of the NBA during one of its most talent-laden eras. In his third season, he joined a very exclusive club, doubling its membership. He became the second member of Larry Bird’s club, the 50-40-90 club, named for those select few sharpshooters that shot at least 50% from the field, 40% from the 3-point line, and 90% from the free throw line.
No one — NO ONE — shoots that well without an unbelievable amount of discipline, practice, and preparation. Mark Price as a point guard was an innovator, and a player who dominated games with his preparation, practice habits, and understanding of how to set up his teammates. He used those to exploit defenses as much as he used his quick first step and deadly jumper. The qualities that made Price a great player are exactly the ones he’d need to be a great head coach.
The knocks on Price? He’s too quiet. He is not a tireless self promoter like the TV personalities turned coaches that seem to be dominating the NBA hiring process. And the biggest? He may be too close to Cleveland. “It would be too heartbreaking to have to fire Mark Price as head coach, or to see him fail,” the criticism goes. That thought is complete and utter self-defeating BS. That’s the the kind of thinking that has doomed Cleveland teams to mediocrity for years. If you think Mark Price is the best guy for the job, you hire him, and you don’t worry about anything else. Mark Price is a big boy. If he can deal with being traded to the Bullets, he can deal with the pressure and consequences of coaching for the Cavs.
Hiring Price would be a bright spot in the #SummerOfHuh. So far, this coaching search has looked like Dan Gilbert and David Griffin plotting to defeat the Shelbyville softball team à la Burns and Smithers. Yesterday, it leaked that John Calipari turned down up to 10 years and $80 million dollars to be the coach and President of the Cavs. Now, I get the move. Dan Gilbert thinks The Vacator can get him LeBron. But Calipari played the Cavs to help negotiate a seven year, $52 million dollar extension with the Wildcats. In the process, Dan Gilbert neutered David Griffin. Gilbert made it obvious that getting the right person was more important than Griffin’s role as the top basketball decision maker with the Cavs.
In some ways, it was a good move. Grant’s buddy/buddy relationship with Brown has to give Gilbert pause before he commits to one of Giffin’s flunkies like Del Negro or Gentry. (I will mention for the umpteenth time that Gentry has had three winning seasons in his 12 years as an head coach in the NBA). And yeah, before Monday’s reveals of Price, Blatt, and Calipari, the Cavs search could only have been described as a murder’s row of mediocrity. So at least we’re stirring the pot a bit now. That makes me feel good — like Dwyane Wade in a whistle factory.
Yet it still remains utterly baffling — completely incomprehensible — that the Cavs haven’t even interviewed the most qualified candidate for the job. I am of course talking about George Karl. In fact, Karl seemingly hasn’t gotten a sniff anywhere in the league. Karl was coach of the year in 2013. He coached a Nuggets team with no stars to a 57 win record and the number one offense in the NBA. The year after Karl left? The Nuggets won 36 games. In 25 NBA seasons as a coach, Karl has had two losing seasons and only missed the playoffs three times. Want to talk player development? Bingo Smith, Sleepy Floyd, Gary Payton, Nate McMillan, Sam Perkins, Detlef Schrempf, Anthony Mason, Ray Allen, Michael Redd, Tim Thomas, Carmelo Anthony, Nene, Kenyon Martin, J.R. Smith, Reggie Evans, Aaron Afflalo, Ty Lawson, Chris Andersen, Timofey Mozgov, Kenneth Faried, Kosta Koufos, Dino Galinari, Wilson Chandler… Shall I continue? Do front offices know something the public doesn’t?
Karl practically invented the stretch big, trapping in the corners, and attacking in transition. He does everything the Cavs claim they want a coach to do, except have a personal relationship with LeBron James. (He doesn’t, right?) And maybe that’s Karl’s tragic flaw. He’s not David Fizdale, Mike Krzyzewski, or John Calipari. George Karl is not the magical LeBron Genie.
The fact that the greatest NBA coach yet to win a championship can’t get an interview points to the problem with a lot of NBA owners right now: unrealistic expectations. Robert Pera, James Dolan, Jim Buss, Dan Gilbert… They all seem to think you can just conjure a contender through the power of wanting it really really badly and having lots of money. But the thing is, there’s only so many great players to go around. And there’s only three ways to get them: draft them, trade for them, or sign them in free agency. The first requires patience, intelligence and luck (see: Thunder, Oklahoma City; Spurs, San Antonio). The second requires a collection of “assets,” impeccable timing, and a GM with connections (see: Rockets, Houston; Celtics, Boston). The third requires money, the good graces of the agent mafia, a market befitting a “superstar,” cap management, and the requisite amount of player collusion (see cHeat, Miami). (OK, your team has to successfully to recruit the free agent, so I guess free will might play a factor). Thing is, there’s only 3-6 teams in the league every year that can assemble enough of these great players to even compete for a championship, let alone win one. And these petulant owners think there are short cuts to success.
Maybe there are, but the NBA is zero sum gain enterprise. Every team in the league can’t be successful. The Cavs can’t improve unless some other teams regress. In the NBA, not every billionaire can be successful at the same time, which leads to some of them making really bad impetuous decisions: like hiring Mike Brown and then firing him a year later, giving Kobe Bryant $48 million, or drafting Anthony Bennett. And this Cavs’ off-season is so hard to read. #SeasonOfHuh? indeed. One minute they’re interviewing a coach who got a tech for putting six players on the court, and the next minute they’re shooting for the moon with “the Vacator.” Does it seem like the Cleveland Cavaliers don’t have a plan at all?
If by “plan,” you mean some pie-in-the-sky machinations to trade for Kevin Love, lure LeBron James, bring John Wooden out of retirement to teach Kyrie how to play defense, and still somehow draft the next Hakeem Olajuwan, well, then maybe the Cavs do have a plan. But the Rube Goldberg method of team building doesn’t seem very realistic. What is realistic? Hire a coach who can develop players. Draft the best players you can. Trade for and hire high character free agents that can help instill a tough, professional attitude in the teams young players. Use your analytics department to find players who other teams aren’t valuing, who will help you win. (The Matthew Dellavedovas of the world). Work every day to get better: as players, as coaches, and as an organization. That’s how average becomes good, good becomes great, and great becomes the best. To go careening from wild scheme to wild scheme trying to pry good players from other teams seems like a bad way to run an organization — not conducive to winning or being the kind of organization the Cavs claim they want to be.
With Mark Price interviewing Tuesday, maybe the Cavs are back on the right track. Arguably the greatest Cavalier in history has a chance to return to the team, and I’m not talking about #6. I hope the return of Price is the catalyst for developing a stable, rational team-building process. Just the thought of it has me as giddy as Kyrie Irving sorting through a binder full of commercial scripts.
You do know John Wooden is dead and not retired, right?
Oy. You’re right. I’m not going to change it, because well, I’m not I had thought he was, but I misread the web page and it was super late when I was writing that part. Thanks for the correction, and no disrespect was meant for the dead.
I don’t have faith in Mark Price as a shooting coach let alone head coach.
James, good point. I just read some Zach Lowe. He is a sharp dude. Why aren’t there more like him out there?
Because common sense doesn’t grab attention. Saying stuff like “LeBron was useless!!!” every time the heat lose get’s air-time unfortunately. Nothing to do with the Heat giving up 70 points by half time then Skip???
It’s why I enjoy this blog. A lot of common sense from the writers here. Keep up the good work guys!
I like Dan Gilbert…he is a lot like me….an as%! Ole fanatic. I appreciate his “at all cost” attitude.
I’d put Zach Lowe in the category of sports writers I would be happy to employ at a franchise I owned but yeah so many talking heads are just morons who happened to play the game, or, in the case of skip bayless, just morons. His stuff about LeBron cramping was laughable. So many tweets Lowe puts out tear Bayless to shreds without actually mentioning him as he is a “colleague”. The cramping articles he put out this week were simply awesome.
Agree with Underdog. It is amazing how many paid sportswriters and radio/TV sports guys/girls who clearly know less that the regulars at CtB. As far as the Cleveland writers go, Terry Pluto might be the best, and he is sort of like Mike Brown, a likable guy who is so/so at what he does. The thing I like about TP is that he acknowledges that he is just a fan who happens to write pretty good, and got a good job. The BB guy from the ABJ is pretty sharp. Anybody else?
Until GM’s and coaches amaze me with brilliance I can’t say I care much about a meddling owner as long as he’s knowledgeable and is willing to spend. I listen to talking heads that are ex-GM’s and coaches on ESPN all the time and there’s a half dozen or so CtBers that impress me more than most of them. Most of the experts aren’t experts. They just have more information than you and I . . . and spend more time at it. Honestly – what analyst (that was an ex head coach or GM) blows you away? I tell… Read more »
The best candidate for the open coaching position, If it’s not Karl, it should be Price. COACH MARK PRICE!!!
Latest ESPN Mock has Cavs taking Embiid….but theorizes that a trade down to #3 with Philly could also net Thaddeus Young. I’d do that. Not in a heartbeat….but I’d do it.
I’d do it too. The problem is that while Embiid’s agent doesn’t want him to go to Milwaukee, there’s no guarantee they pass. If the Cavs want to pull this off, they’ll have to be super hush hush about the results of the physical and hold everything close to the vest, and pretend they are passing on Embiid because his back didn’t check out. Then when Milwaukee takes Parker, they trade. Thad Young, a second rounder (more draft and stash), a future #1 or the #10 would do it. Maybe send back Tristan if Cleveland thinks the price is too… Read more »
Yes. If that trade happens, Tristan becomes expendable. Draft Wiggins, then wait on Milwaukee. Milwaukee prefers Parker anyway. If Milwaukee takes Parker as expected, trade Wiggins and TT for Embiid and Thad, plus a future #1. We fill our biggest roster hole, AND get a wing defender that can help right away. Me likey.
If Milwaukee takes Embiid, or Philly gets cold feet, then we keep Wiggins. That’s not too awful.
Any deal where we end up with Wigguns in close to being “awful.” However, if we work out a deal where we can come away with Young AND Embiid, I would be doing back-flips of unmitigated joy! A starting line up of Kyrie/Dion/ Young/TT and Embiid makes me smile. A lot.
Except TT would likely be sent to PHI. AV could start at PF with Bennett (sigh) backing him up
The one “danger” is that someone gets wind and trades up to two to get Embiid. Orlando? Boston? If Milwaukee’s convinced Marcus Smart’s going at four, they might trade with Utah to go back to five and get Exum while Utah gets Parker. I’ll be shocked if the top five stays static between now and the 27th.
Oh, this kind of deal is super “dangerous!” That’s why I think, ultimately, they will not do it or even anything like it.
Is the trade the 3, 10 and Thaddeus? Thats do-able. the 3 and Thaddeus? Hell no.
I agree with @Kojo – no way would I goof around with possibly losing out on Embiid for the sake of getting Thaddeus Young. Is Young even a desirable player for the Cavs? We already have Bennett and TT. Young has been in the league 6 years and I’m not sure he makes the Cavs any better.
All of this fantasy-sports-like maneurvering is silly. If Embiid is healthy, we ought to take him and thank our lottery luck. Period.
Not sure folks realize that Young can absolutely play SF a lot of nights. Did so in Philly and was fine. If you get him, you do not have to put him at PF. Just sayin…
What? Young is one of the best two way forwards in the league. The goal is to get to get better. Bennett or TT will be gone if the Cavs draft Embiid and trade for Thad Young. And yes, Young can play either forward spot. I’d prefer a better three point shooter at the 3, but guys who can play multiple positions are invaluable, especially when you have Paul George and LeBron in the east, who can both also play either forward position. If the Cavs have the ability to get the guy they want, and upgrade other positions, why… Read more »
@Nate – OK, assuming Young can play SF, he would make the Cavs better, but I’m not sure why you have such a high opinion of Young? He’s not a bad player, but he’s not one of the best two way forwards in the league, either. He may aspire to the Kawhi Leonard of the East, but he has a long way to go. Meanwhile, I feel like the Cavs need to find plenty of minutes for TT and Bennett. Let’s see if TT can develop a jumer now that’s he in year two if changing his shooting hand. Similarly,… Read more »
Bennett is practically untouchable, as far as I’m concerned, so clearly TT is the forward you jettison if you get Embiid and Young.
http://www.gotbuckets.com/statistics/rapm/2013-rapm-2/ Before this year, Young was a fantastic two way player with an RAPM of 3.34. http://www.gotbuckets.com/2013/11/21/apm-all-star-thad-young-or-youth-is-wasted-on-the-young-young-is-wasted-on-the-sixers/ As for Bennett versus West? That is a comical comparison. One of the best locker room guys/consistent performers in the NBA versus the worst performing #1 draft pick in NBA history? Bennett will never be as smart, engaged, or effective as David West. TT: his problem isn’t his shooting hand, it’s the fact that he’s one of the worst players at guarding jump shooters in the league, and his interior defense is crap. If you want to get better you get a good… Read more »
@Scott-
I think if Kawahi Leonard and Thaddeus Young were to switch teams (one going to the best system in the NBA, the other going to a proverbial tanking franchise), you would find them to be virtually interchangable.
@Grover13 – Young would certainly be ‘better’ on the Spurs – as would almost any player in the league. But Leonard is a cut above Young in several areas – more range on his jumper, much better rebounder, and just overall a little better in most aspects of the game. It’s always hard to evaluate good players on bad teams – especially if the teams have been as putrid as the 76ers. Advanced stats help, but they don’t tell us everything. In any case, my point isn’t so much about Young as it is that I value Embiid much more… Read more »
Trading down for Young is quite simply a stupid move and is not up for debate. The CAVS are taking Embiid at 1. Seeing Drummond play well makes me sick.
Thaddeus Young is garbage relative to being a piece on a title contender. Embiid is the pick. Trading out of the #1 pick is not up for debate.
How is spending big money on a horrible fit make you like Gilbert more? I’d rather have an owner make smart decisions than be a big spender. I’m a Gilbert supporter, but this news makes me feel like he’s a bit crazy.
Eh. Gilbert going after Calipari makes me like him even more. This is one owner who is willing to spend the money to get the best.
He seems to leave the player acquisition decisions to the GM. Great great owner.
He definitely spares no expense. There is mountains of evidence to this. That’s huge as far as I’m concerned.
Any Clevelander who grew up watching “Major League” loves Dan Gilbert. Having an owner who cares enough to throw huge money at a team balances out whatever negatives come with that passion. You don’t get that rich without understanding when and how to delegate. Three cheers for Dan Gilbert, and I don’t care what font it is in.
“Having an owner who cares enough to throw huge money at a team balances out whatever negatives come with that passion”
The results over the past three years seem to suggest this may not be exactly true.
And yet, they opened the 2013-14 season, one in which Gilbert had his kid proclaim on national TV that they wouldn’t be back at the lottery, just 24th in payroll. Gilbert, like every other owner, spends depending on what he’s bringing in.
And between his plan to hire Izzo then Calipari, he seems to be have some serious blind spots when it comes to hiring his FO, which makes him far from a “great great owner.”
Now that the Calipari news is a day old, it seems to be coming out that it happened a couple months ago. It might have been instigated by Calipari, purely as a scam to wring some more money out of UK. That situation is a lot different than if it happened last week. (Thus I am less worried that Gilbert is insane!) As far as Mark Price goes, it is hard to say how it might fly (as always). One worry seems to be that a small, quiet, Christian rock kind of guy might not deal well with modern players.… Read more »
This Calipari situation seems like bad news. I wasn’t really sure if Dan Gilbert was as meddling as some of the reports given that he went along with Chris Grant’s asset collection program for so long, but this seems to be proof that he’s interfering big time. I don’t care who the owner is – that’s a recipe for disaster.
Please. Please hire Mark Price.
Oh, and as for Byombo? I would love to get him in a Cavs uni. I have a feeling he’s going to break out big-time, soon. His per minute defensive numbers are very good.
I remember people being really high on him when he was coming out in the draft, just that he was super raw. Do you really see the Hornets giving up on him at this point?
No. There’s just not as many minutes there, with Jefferson, McRoberts, and Zeller. Byombo doesn’t really make sense at the 4 with Jefferson at the 1. Byombo is still raw. But he’s coming along.
I was very high on Biyombo when he came out. I am totally still on board. His minutes were greatly reduced this past season, so it hides a HUGE improvement. His timing on the roll off PnR action is much better. His defensive ability to hedge without getting too far out of position to reclaim his man is also much improved. I’m with you, Nate. He is about to be a breakout player. Put him with a PF who can shoot, and you have something big.
Completely unrelated to the Cavs coaching search, but still relevant: “No one — NO ONE — shoots that well without an unbelievable amount of discipline, practice, and preparation.” It’s interesting how this is said while describing Mark Price’s work ethic. But the Cavs have a young PG whose shooting stats really aren’t that far away from Price’s and could conceivably have a 40/50/90 season or two in him, but I doubt many would give him that type of praise. Instead, his “gifts” are primarily “natural” and “God-given,” and the main criticism he receives is that he doesn’t seem to work… Read more »
@The Champ – it’s a good counter-point. Certainly, Kyrie didn’t get to where he was without an unbelievable amount of practice/work.
But have you watched him (not) play defense? (Not) Fight through screens? (Not) run back on defense? Take plays off on offense?
His perceived lack of effort is damning sometimes.
Also, Mark Price was generally the smallest/lightest guy on the court at all times. He obviously overcame a lack of the kind of physical gifts that Kyrie has.
I admit that Kyrie’s intensity level seems to wane. Especially on defense. As a fan of his game, it’s very frustrating to watch. But I think we just have to be more careful with how words like “effort” and “discipline” are applied. From an aesthetic standpoint, Kyrie has one of those types of games where it looks like things are “easy” for him. So, it’s natural to assume that he hasn’t had to work very hard. But, you have to put in thousands upon thousands of hours of work make things look that easy. You basically have to eat and… Read more »
Kyrie is almost always the smallest and lightest guy out on the court. The difference is one is black and one is white. Therefore the stereotype of white guy is a trooper and hard worker and the black guy is athletic and talented gets played.
That’s a fair criticism. I should have put “NO ONE — shoots that well or guides and guides their team to one of the top offenses year after year without an unbelievable amount of discipline, practice, and preparation.” That’s the difference between Irving and Price right now: Price’s teams won and his team ran highly efficient offenses.Price, from his second year on, also had defensive ratings that were well below his offensive ratings. (Defensive ratings SHOULD be lower, offensive ratings should be higher for good players). Kyrie hasn’t done that. That’s not to say he can’t. And I certainly never… Read more »
I’m with Sauce; Griffin as HC; Price as assistant.
That is….if the front office insists on not talking to Karl. I agree; unfathomable.
It’s been said before, but I truly just want the coach whom the Cavs’ basketball guys ultimately feel is going to be best for the franchise. That means not making a glamor hire, which I think Calipari is/was, or Mark Price could be. This hire should not be a means of winning anyone over except for the 15 guys on the Cavs roster. That being said, I would love for Price to be brought into the Cavs organization in some fashion, whether as head coach or an assistant. He is a franchise staple and fan favorite who has a set… Read more »
well, yeah. We all want the best coach. The Cavs are smart to interview Mark Price. He’s been coaching professional basketball for longer than some Cavs fans have been alive. His family has a basketball pedigree. He may not be the guy for the job – that’s the point of the interview.
I’m on board with Blatt – though it’s not even clear if he’s a real candidate. I loved price as a player and there’s no doubt he was a great shooter, but I’m not aware that his work with Charlotte has been that impressive. @Nate Smith – a quick look at player stats will show that Byombo, MKG and Walker have all had very mixed results the past couple of years: – Byombo is such a marginal player that I don’t even think he matters. He takes 2 shots per game. That’s hardly a great sample size. – MKG’s fg%… Read more »
Ideal scenario: Hire Blatt as HC with Price to help run the offense and especially to develop players and then add a guy like Mike Woodson who can craft a defense and help provide head coaching advice (and maybe hide out in Cleveland to recover from his nightmare in NYC)
Price feels like a reach that we talk ourselves into because we love him. I want Adrian Griffin.
T, I meant quiet, sorry . Go Cavs.
T, Lenny Wilkins was quite.
Nate, you nailed it my friend, Price is right specially in Cleveland with all depressed fans and hungry for success. I thought I’am going to miss Kevin, we are glad to have you. Keep up the good work and Lord will reward you . That is just my opinion. Go Cavs.
I loved #25 as much as the next guy, but give me a break…I can’t see mild-mannered, Christian rocker Mark Price reaching Kyrie. Maybe as an assistant (mother figure)?
Mark Price as head coach! Make it happen! I would cry myself blind if the Cavs and Mark Price get their first trophy together. That’d be a fairy tale come true. I think Kyrie will get his groove back with Mark mentoring him.