Not a (Summer League) Recap: Houston 96, Cleveland 90 (or, Let’s Rant)
2014-07-18After spending a lovely evening watching the Akron Rubber Ducks dispatch the Erie Seawolves at Canal Park, I returned home to discover my DVR had eaten the Cavs game. So no formal recap, sadly. Houston eliminated beat the Cavs in Summer League play in a game in which Cleveland was without Matthew Dellavedova who’d been excused to join the Australian national team. Will Cherry started in his place and did not disappoint, finishing with 21 points, three dimes, and four boards on 8-14 shooting. His strong play has earned the attention of NBA and Euro scouts. But let’s not kid ourselves, this game was all about Andrew Wiggins.
Wiggins, already the subject of trade rumors, finished with 21 points on 3-5 shooting. How you say? He attempted 20 free throws and made 15 of them. Wiggins was aggressive from the tip, starting with a spin move to the left from the high post that got him to the line (the only play my DVR managed to grab). I am impressed with Wiggins’ ability to change his attack very quickly. After shooting eight three attempts in his first SL game, ‘Drew put his head down and got to the line, attempting only one three-pointer. His highlight reel includes a thunderous put-back dunk and “chase down” block that reminds one of a young LeBron Raymone James. Andrew’s rapid improvement is exciting.
Unfortunately, Isaiah Canaan figured out Wiggins with 17 seconds left, when he drove left and into ‘Drew’s body and hit a layup to extend the lead to 92-87. Canaan finished with a game high 28 on 10-16 shooting. On the next play, Wiggins turned the ball over to seal the game. Anthony Bennett finished with 11 and 6 boards, and Joe Harris added 10, and went 2-2 from three, but also finished with a game low -14. Carick Felix chipped in 7 points and 7 boards in 17 minutes, including 2-4 from three and was +8 in his time on the floor. Yes. I can read a box score.
Rant
Chris Broussard jerked on the chain of Cavs fans when he reported that the Cavs are open to trading Andrew Wiggins for Kevin Love, yesterday. The Cavaliers have flatly denied this, and Blatt commented after the game, “Sooner or later, in one’s career, you’re going have to deal with it [rumors]. So if he has to deal with it now, then so be it. It’s the summer league. He’s learning everything as he goes along.” For the second game in a row, Wiggins was unavailable to reporters due to “NBA commitments.” Nice job with that explanation, Cavs PR team. Ugh. The LeBron James era Mark II has already turned into a circus.
First, let’s talk about agency. There are lots of opinions on this Love deal, and we’ve discussed them ad naseum. What no one seems to be talking about is Andrew Wiggins’ opinions. If I’m Andrew Wiggins, there is no way that I want to go from being on a team with LeBron James to going to Minnesota. ‘Drew will get fifty times the exposure and tutelage playing with LeBron. ‘Drew does have the ability to exercise some agency in the situation.
If I’m Bill Duffy (‘Drew’s agent), I use the fact that the Cavs have yet to sign Andrew to my advantage, and take the Wiggins/Love decision out of both teams’ hands. I tell the Cavs brass and Flip Saunders that Wiggins is not signing his rookie deal until he receives a promise that he won’t be traded, at least through his rookie year. (Rookies need stability). Plus I threaten that if traded to Minnesota, Wiggins will refuse to sign, sit out a year, and re-enter the draft — thus reducing his value to Minnesota to zero. If I’m Duffy, I back up this threat by offering to pay Wiggins’ rookie salary myself in that scenario. Andrew Wiggins is not chattel. (I’m good at posturing with Bill Duffy’s money).
In a second bit of nutty information, the unbelievably prescient Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc Spears of Yahoo Sports have reported that, according to “front-office sources,” LeBron James has “reached out” to Love and “expressed a desire for them to play together in Cleveland.” Now let’s examine this. First, if it’s true, and LeBron did this while under contract with the Cavs, it’s tampering — plain and simple. Flip should call for an NBA investigation in this case. Realistically, this front-office source is probably just Flip Saunders who’s leaking stuff to try to start a bidding war between Golden State and Cleveland, so he can pry loose Wiggins or Klay Thompson.
LeBron isn’t that dumb. But is he that egotistical? I really hope that LeBron is gone, and in his place is a mature individual who wants to be in Northeast Ohio long term and not hold the Cavs hostage or have his run of the team. However, if it is true, and LeBron really is trying to “pull the strings” and use his leverage on his one year contract to dictate what the Cavs and the rest of the league should do, then neither he nor Dan Gilbert have learned anything from James’ first stint in Cleveland, and I’m already sick of “the return.”
— Correction. I mistakenly said the Cavs were eliminated Summer League play. Cleveland concludes tournament play tonight when they take on the Miami Heat at 10:30PM ET. Let’s hope there are no fights in the stands.
I’m not against trading for Love. But I hate giving up Wiggins. Waiters, Bennett, and a plethora of future #1 absolutely should be enough for Minnesota. Kevin Love is going to walk. They have NO leverage. Somehow, though, they’ve turned no leverage into more leverage against us because we “need” Kevin Love to form a new “Big 3.” Don’t get fleeced, Griffin. Offer up Waiters and Bennett and our own future firsts and the Miami first, which will be 11-20 this year most likely, and the Memphis first, etc. But sending Wiggins, Waiters, AND Bennett for Love guts this team.… Read more »
I believe that a trade for Love would require that 14M/year of contracts be sent to MN (forgot where I read that). If the Cavs still had someone like Andrew Bynum, who is worthless but has a big contract, that might work. But now, any combination of Cavs worth 14M/year are worth a lot more than Love. This trade cannot happen. I kind of hate to bring this up, but what is it about Love that makes so many people think he is a top 5 – 10 player? They must be from Colorado or Washington. Or, Boston. I heard… Read more »
Look at Loves stats and that explains why hes a top player in the league.
You can argue his stats are inflated because hes on a bad team – but look at all the other bad teams and find someone with his stats. Bottom line stats don’t lie and anyone who questions if Love is a top player obviously doesn’t pay attention to the obvious.
That doesn’t mean we should trade for Love at all cost. But a sure thing like Love is a better bet than what we hope Wiggins/Bennette and whomever else is.
Raoul- you’re getting hung up on semantics. Whether Love is in the top 15 or top 30 isn’t very material to the discussion. Let’s say he’s at the bottom end- #30. That means he’s worthy of being the best player on some team in a league of 30 teams. If you pair such a player with the top player in the universe, he becoms a pretty compelling #2 option, would you not agree? What is more pertinent is that Love’s skillset compliments Lebron in a very appealling way (brings a post presence as well as elte 3-pt range for a… Read more »
To go against your “LeBron is on the downside of 30” argument, I would think that might be more of an argument for keeping the players we have. Do we really want LeBron playing 38 minutes every night for the next few years? I would think that in the East, we’d be able to get him more rest with guys like Wiggins and maybe Bennett playing heavy minutes at the 3. The versatility we have between the 1-3 is tremendous right now. Kyrie can play the 1 or the 2 Delly can play the 1 or the 2 Dion can… Read more »
For the regular season- I don’t disagree wih you. Spot on.
But how is that group going to perform deep in the playoffs? Sufficiently enough for a champioship? Odds are against it.
This season? Next season? I think we’ll still be too young to legitimately win an NBA title this season with the roster as-is. Kyrie, Dion, Wiggins, all of those guys will not be used to the pressure.
But next season? We could have two legitimate DPOY/1st Team All-Defensive players in LeBron and Wiggins. THAT is how you get deep in the playoffs and win a ring. Grinding out a 7 game series playing exceptional defense.
Here’s another report that Wiggins is NOT on the table, reported by Finnan, who would reported last week that Wiggins could be on the table:
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140720/source-cleveland-cavaliers-have-not-offered-andrew-wiggins-in-possible-trade-with-minnesota-timberwolves
This coupled with the report that the Cavs are prepared to sign Wiggins to his rookie contract this week, hopefully cools talk off for a little while. At least 30 days any way once the Wiggins rookie deal is done.
This just in: Appears the trade is official according to Jason Lloyd, with no Wiggins: Dion, Bennett and a #1 2015. https://twitter.com/JasonLIoydABJ/status/491025652301062144
Scratch That. I got hosed by a fake account.
Irresponsible journalism man, that’s all this is and has been. I mean think about it. Lebron calls or doesn’t call Love and tells him or doesn’t tell him he wants him on the Cavs. At that point, who is contacting Finnan or Broussard or Sheridan or Leroy Jenkins or whomever that this call just took place or didn’t take place? Who in Love’s or Lebron’s circle has an agenda to leak everything these players say or do? Or who inside a front office is telling Lebron to call Love and then reporting it to The Lake Herald because at that… Read more »
just a thought to throw out there “if ” we knew LeBron was coming to Cleveland would we have drafted wiggins still or embiid—-and if we drafted embiid would we be having these discussions about trading for love —-just some ” WHAT IF’S ” to think about —-just curious what your thoughts are
i have thought on this too. my big problem is injury going forward. while i think embiid was the best player by far for the cavs “fit” (without LBJ at the time), i don’t think the cavs brass have the tolerance for top picks with injuries. AB15 was the upper limit i think. personally i am still a bit miffed still about not drafting noel last year. it really was the best fit at the time. independent of other players, noel and his injury history to me was no where near as unknown as ab15 as top pick. that is… Read more »
(cont) If the Cavs are going to win with KI and KL (neither of whom could cover a good player in a phone booth) starting, you need some serious help on D. Having LJ and AW on the floor at the same time will create sufficient havoc at the defensive end to cover up a lot of issues.
This deal is insanely stupid. We lose our bench. We lose our picks. We lose our defense. We will have to use someone from the D league or someone in their upper 30’s to give LeBron and Dion rest. We get an injury prone guy who will have to compete for shots with Dion, Kyrie and Lebron. Why do we have to do it now? Minnesota would hang up on us in 6 months if we offered a signed Love back with more picks for Wiggins back.
Here is a guy from the LA Times discussing the situation. Unlike most, he actually understands the salary implications. His theory in this long article is that trading Wiggins + ?? for Love can avoid being a disaster if several other moves are made, primarily getting Dieng in the trade. He discusses the issue of having two starters who cannot cover anyone. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2133479-how-can-cleveland-cavaliers-survive-trading-andrew-wiggins My theory is that the Cavs should not trade Wiggins under any circumstances, and hold out for Love and Dieng for a couple players and picks. MN has no choice, they have to deal. For salary purposes,… Read more »
good pts made by both furious and Raoul——hopefully if “we ” bloggers can figure it out so can the g.m’s and players figure it out
If you want to put an optimist hat on, maybe Griffin has something up his sleeve that will get Love and keep Wiggins. The proposed trades above are insane, and surly the Cavs would have told MN to go pound salt, and don’t call again until you are serious. If it was not for salary issues, probably the Cavs would be offering AB, and MN would be holding out for DW. But matching salaries, and the cap, greatly complicate issues. There is no way the team can fit KI, LJ, and KL under the cap, unless some of them play… Read more »
Minnesota ” thinks ” they have the leverage on all the teams —teams just neeed to be patient/ outlast Minnesota –let them become DESPARATE to where they are more logical in their trade talks or they become RELLY STUBBORN / STUPID and get no real value for love—-cavs be patient I like the nucleus of this team as it is —don’t give away the whole future for one injury riddled all star
Giving up Wiggins would be a horrible idea. If Love were locked into 3yr+ deal, I’d say make the deal, but he’s not. Wait until the trade deadline when Saunders has no choice but to trade him and offer Waiters, Bennett, a first rounder and a second rounder. Saunders will take it. Minny isn’t a FA destination and only gets an elite player once a decade, if that, so they have to get players back. Lebron could easily call Love and tell him to announce he’ll only sign long term with the Cavs. That will scare away all other suitors,… Read more »
Unreal for us to give up Wiggs, Waiters, and Bennett for a guy who isn’t re-signing with Minnesota.
If we give up three potential All-Stars/Superstars for Love, we’re idiots.
Either way this is a good problem to have. A year ago we were debating if Earl Clark or Alonzo G should start at SF. The emotional rollercoaster we’ve been on since the confrontation ironically in Minnesota to now would win a Golden Ticket for coaster in the world. You guys are blessed to be able to cover the most intersting team in the league (sports) and know more about them than the people who work at the Plain Dealer, ESPN, etc.
Completely agree on all points, here. I also like the trade deal in the previous post, but I’m not sure where all those picks come from.
I wouldn’t grab a pitchfork if the Griffin traded Wiggins for Love, but I don’t want them to. They need a third team would make the deal easier for Minnesota to get what they want (a vet who can contribute and shed Kevin Martin’s contract. Here my limit that works in trade machine for all three teams. Cavs get: Kevin Love Timberwolves get: Thaddeus Young, Anthony Bennett, two first round picks. 76ers get: Dion Waiters, Kevin Martin, a first round pick That’s fair for all three involved. Dion is my favorite player on the team, but him going to Philly… Read more »
Fair for the Cavs? Are you on drugs?
Here is a similar trade:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kuhcrkc
(obviously trade machine doesn’t include draft picks).
It kills me to give up AB, Dion, and TT, but the long and short is:
Cavs get: Kevin Love, Gorgui Deng
Timberwolves get: Thaddeus Young, Anthony Bennett, Tristan Thompson, probably just one first round pick
76ers get: Dion Waiters, Kevin Martin, a first round pick.
The salaries didn’t quite work out with your trade, and I wanted Deng, so I tweaked it a little bit.
So now they’re offering not only Wiggins, but also Bennett and a 1st round pick, and Minnesota still want more! The Cavs are already getting fleeced as is, why would you even give a team with so little leverage that many assets? Love has made it crystal clear that he’s NOT resigning in Minny, so just make them sweat it out until the trade deadline and get him for a bargain price. I can’t believe I even need to say it, it’s just so obvious. I mean, at least let the younguns play a few games and see what you… Read more »
I don’t give a shit about draft picks anymore trade them all away for all I care. But if we trade away all our depth then LBJ is basically in the same situation he was in his last year in Miami. And he does have that player option.
I do believe that a Wiggins-for-Love trade makes our team significantly better, but I hope the coaching staff and LeBron are aware of the defensive challenges it would pose. To have any sort of effective defense, LeBron (as the only clear-cut elite defender) would have to make that end his primary focus. He would have to basically put together a legit DPOY campaign on an individual level, while also leading and inspiring the team to play up to its ability on that end. With the brilliance and productivity of Love and Irving on offense, LeBron would have real freedom to… Read more »
I don’t know which storyline has been more grueling to play out, the decision 2.0 or the Love trade talks. I haven’t heard of us giving away so many assets since Ted Stepien traded for Jerome Whitehead in the early 80s (younger readers can Goggle it). I wish the Cavs would stay put, but all signs point to this deal happening.
So no Wiggins or Bennett for tonight’s SL game? Legit reason or more trade nonsense? Underdog’s comment 2 above this one is exactly how it should be. But the more rumors that come out, especially since our last 2 number one picks didn’t play tonight, it sounds like our team going forward is Lebron, Love, Kyrie, Anderson, TT, Miller, Jones and a bunch of scrubs. Yay championships! If Lebron is behind this, he’s an utter buffoon. And if the team is behind it, Lebron should call them immediately and say he’s gone after opting out next year if it happens.… Read more »
Wiggins has a higher ceiling than Wade, LBJ should the one stopping any trade of Wigg for Love.Go Cavs.
Love might be a top 5-10 offensive player, but he is about 200-300 on D. So, how does that make him a top 5-10 player? Here is Broussard: http://fansided.com/2014/07/18/minnesota-timberwolves-want-wiggins-bennett-1-pick-kevin-love/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Around%20the%20Network#!bh3PNC claiming that MN has turned down Bennett, Wiggins, + more players + first round picks, and want more draft picks. How can anyone believe this? How in the world can a team about to lose a player at the end of the year expect a pile of loot like that? In the unlikely event the Cavs are actually talking like this, please some one get a message to Dan Gilbert: have… Read more »
Agree that MN is way greedy to turn that down. If the Cavs stand firm with that offer, MN has to give in eventually and be thrilled with their return. Throw in an extra first round pick if necessary for Dieng. As the team stands, our big rotation is a major weakness, but that trade turns it into a major strength. The perimeter rotation suffers from losing Wiggins, but remains strong between Irving, James, and Waiters.
I think KJ said this weeks ago, and I agree: It’s so much in Love’s best interest to become an unrestricted free agent that I don’t know why we’re even having this conversation. He can choose to come to a Cavs team that has not been gutted . . . and make more money. Love and the Cavs are totally in the driver seat. I have no idea how Minnesota has been able to gain so much leverage. Someone earlier here said that if it was Grant negotiating we’d be trading Wiggins for Love and two first round picks. And… Read more »
I’m actually hoping the warriors get love and we keep Wiggins and Bennett and waiters. I agree that love is a top 5/10 player but the additional cost and his lack of defence will prevent us from being a deep team with flexibility going forward. If and I understa “if” Wiggins becomes the player we hope and with bennetts and waiters continued development I think we are a better team. I could argue that kyrie and love are currently better compliments to lebrons game than bosh and wade (largely because wades health and he essentially is duplicative skillset). But without… Read more »
Really liking joe Harris’s game. Dude has a nice shot and a decent handle.
He has a lot of good qualities. I think he’d have a good chance if he had a better handle. When summer league is over he needs to take a basketball with him everywhere he goes until October. He’s a Stauskas type shooter.
Can we take a serious look at using a mid-level exception to bring back Ramon Sessions? He’s unrestricted, and a really good backup guard. I’d rather have a multi-skill backup like Ramon than a tired piece of salted leather like Ray Allen.
I can’t disagree with bringing on Sessions . . . and I agree that Ray Allen probably ought to retire. I want to remember him as a great player – not a “hanger on.”
Excellent idea!
sorry about the ” caps “—-I have been pro wiggins all along but agree with several other bloggers —getting love in a trade for wiggins —–look where we were 3 months ago —-wiggins or love it will be so much more enjoyable of a team to watch / root for next year—-main questions if you keep wiggins and he is a bust——if you trade for love and he continues to be injury proned —-risks involved with both players
Well you are wrong on 2 counts here. 1. You cannot get a no trade clause in the NBA until you have X service time in the league with your team. Needless to say Wiggins, at zero service time, doesn’t qualify. This is in the CBA and no agent can negotiate this. 2. It is not tampering for Lebron to talk to Love. It was not tampering for Lebron to talk to Wade or Bosh years ago. Tampering is about a Front Office making contact, so as long as the FO of the Cavs didn’t direct Lebron to speak to… Read more »
I have to admit, I’ve never seen everyone so split- media, analysts, bloggers, idiots like myself, I mean EVERYONE- on the “Wiggins or Love?” argument. Gotta admit, I’m glad I’m not in David Griffin’s shoes on this topic.
Wish it was Grant handling the trade. We never knew anything ahead of time and he always fleeced the other team. They should give us picks to exchange Wiggins for Love.
We shouldn’t be trading Wiggins for Love. I guess Lebron is pushing a deal through, but he’s being short-sighted. I’d much rather keep Wiggins and see how he develops. Same with Dion. I even think Bennett can be a decent player.
And, there’s no guarantee that Love signs long-term. With Wiggins, we almost certainly have him for the next 5-7 years.
Wiggins has that bizarre, early-Dwight Howard physique where his shoulders look like they are twice as broad as they should be. This dude is still growing into that frame and he is going to be a nightmare to deal with in about 2.5 years
As Mallory noted in an earlier podcast, it’s safe to assume that since Wiggins has grown an inch and a half in the last two years, that he’ll be almost eight feet tall by the time he’s done playing.
haha awesome! I can’t wait to watch this team play. I think the rumor-mongering is a result of a particularly slow time in the sports calendar. The day before and after the all-star game are the only days in the calendar without pro sports, if I’m not mistaken.
I don’t know that we should call Wiggins “Drew”. I get bad flashbacks of Drew Gooden ugly passes and even uglier ducktail. Can we call him something like Wiggy? Ender? Or Cabron? (Canadian Lebron)
Love all those choices!
As soon as he hits his first buzzer beating game winner, “Ender” should be a lock.
Um… not cabron. That’s an insult in Spanish.
lol … you’re right! Canbron maybe?
I like the CaBron handle!
I posted before I read Jon’s comment
I saw “Uncle Wiggily” somewhere and that made me pretty happy. He could piggyback off Iggy Azalea with “Wiggy Wiggs”.
Wiggins is the Maple Jordan
Absolutely love that Wiggins went to the line 20 times. Considering his upper body shooting mechanics are great, I think doubts about his ability to generate offense are exaggerated.
Imagine the easy buckets he’ll get with LeBron passing him the ball? Hitting him in stride the full length of the court on a fast break? Driving and dishing an ally-oop to Wiggs? While Kyrie posts up at the three point line and returns to his shooting ability we saw his rookie/sophomore season (aka, dead-eye). Waiters feeding off of these guys as well? Bennett sitting on the block and waiting to pop out and hit a 15 foot jumper. Varejao tipping offensive rebounds out to restart the play?
Fun.
LeBron and Wiggs locking down the opposing team’s Gs/Fs. AV and Bennett banging down low. Dion playing inspired “if you score on me I’ll f*cking kill you,” defense.
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(Kyrie probably getting owned by the opposing PG but LeBron and Wiggs both leap to simultaneously block the PG’s layup from behind, off the backboard)
I didn’t have high hopes for the game once I heard Delly would be out. Despite hanging in there they really missed him. Wiggins has really put to bed worries of being passive. If anything he’s been too aggressive given his ball handling limitations, but Summer League is the place to test those limits. Poor AB was overmatched trying to guard the 7-foot Montiejunas, but luckily the big galut from Lithuania got tired and started fouling after a hot start. He was pretty funny in the post game interview, as he responded to questions about the game by saying, basically,… Read more »
I am very concerned about Bennett. Yeah, he is in great physical shape, but his game is so weak. I just don’t see what he brings to the team as way of “fit” as Griffin would say. AB fancies himself a 3 pt shooter and seems drawn to the 3pt line, but he is wildly inconsistent from 3. He had two 2ft airballs last night on 3’s. He loses his guy on defense, and lacks overall defensive toughness and intensity. He is “ok” on the boards but nothing to get excited about. Throw-in the turnovers, moving picks, dumb fouls, and… Read more »
Agree with Charlie E.
You are good at posturing with Bill Duffy’s money, but that would be almost criminal representation of a client. You have to then explain to Wiggins why he’s another year from a max contract, will not be playing, and now has the rep as the next Steve Francis, not exactly a marketing bonanza. You lose him more than the $5-6M he would get in salary this year.
Eh, Disagree, and that’s why I would offer to pay his salary. Anyway, a lot of the inspiration for this article: http://wagesofwins.com/2012/03/29/should-anthony-davis-skip-the-draft/ . Which argues that Anthony Davis (and by extension Wiggins) could have gotten a much better contract by sitting out two years. But yeah, it would be a pretty extreme move. But game theory posits that those prone to irrational actions are by and large better negotiators. The question would be, “can Minnesota afford to call this bluff?” and the answer is “no.”
Nate, as Wiggins agent, what do you do if Minnesota is in a position and drafts Wiggins next year – 2015??
Well, the crux of that article I linked to was that after sitting out two years of drafts, one becomes an unrestricted free agent…
Yikes. That would smell like a victory (Pyrrhic).
So he could make another ~$3M, actually less when you NPV those dollars. And, again, he’s not playing basketball for two years, and he still has the Steve Francis rep. Seems like cutting off the nose to spite the face.
And can Minnesota call this bluff? Sure, take any one of other deals instead. It seems like a lot of Cavs fans are acting like the Wolves don’t have options, and the Cavs can wait them out. Love could be playing for the Bulls, and making them the favorites in the East tomorrow.
They are not going to give him to the Bulls. If you trade more than Love is worth for Love, your team gets worse. Who cares if it is the Bulls?
Lebron James will be 30 this year. He doesn’t want or should have wait to see if Andrew Wiggings will ever become a superstar. Cleveland says it wants a championship…getting a proven star in Love will make that happen faster while Lebron is in his prime. If the cavs fans want to waste more years of Lebron James prime, then he should leave
Put away the Hookah! The current Cavs are the odds on favorite to win the East. Starting this year! Do you think the people putting up the big money in Vegas are idiots?
Love won’t improve the Cavs defense. Wiggins already is a defensive superstar – and that’s exactly what James needs. Throwing away plus players at rookie contract prices won’t help achieve a championship. Wiggins will be the defensive counterpart that Wade was during James’ first 2 years in Miami. As well, Miller is nothing more than Dion Waiters with less defense. Waiters hit 41% from 3 last year, Miller hit 42%. Waiters can actually drive and create his own shot; Miller is a spot shooter with orders of magnitude less athleticism. Ray Allen can’t play any defense at all; he can’t… Read more »
“defensive superstar”
Huh?
Against college players, or Summer League rookies? Cuz he ain’t proved squat yet.
Anyway, while the Cavs certainly have a lot more cookies in the cupboard than they did when James left, getting Love in our corner is a major upgrade. Personally, I am confident we can acquire Love without trading Wiggins, but we will probably have to give up a couple of young pieces and several #1 picks.
Nice article Nate. You hit the nail on the head. Lebron is a smart guy. Why would he be making behind the scenes demands that make no sense. Ego? God I hope not. Is this just a case of reporters trying to throw things at a wall hoping something sticks so they can claim they had the scoop and knew it all along? Talk about irresponsible journalism but that is how that profession works these days, especially the parasites that circle Lebron. They can make hundreds of false claims and still not be worried about losing their jobs. Wish I… Read more »
Nate- going to challenge you here with some more expertise on what constitutes “tampering.” (Disclaimer- when presented with legal documents at work I have to opine on, my first instinct is to wipe my ass with them as opposed to reading them.) Now, if a GM/Owner contacts a player from another team and tries to influence them to force a deal…I totally get it. Tampering without question. But if one player calls another up and says, “Hey, I’d love to play with you”….how is that tampering? What if Love called Lebron instead and said, “Hey, if you guys were to… Read more »
Tampering according to the CBA: Any Player who, directly or indirectly, entices, induces, persuades or attempts to entice, induce, or persuade any Player, Coach, Trainer, General Manager or any other person who is under contract to any other Member of the Association to enter into negotiations for or relating to his services or negotiates or contracts for such services shall, on being charged with such tampering, be given an opportunity to answer such charges after due notice and the Commissioner shall have the power to decide whether or not the charges have been sustained; in the event his decision is… Read more »
“The three players are totally, as our system has evolved, within their rights to talk to each other,” Stern said. “That is not tampering or collusion that is prohibited. That’s our rule, right now.”
If I were Flip I’d just let it slide. He is really hoping for a Portland type of situation where LA goes from angered to thrilled. To file a complaint would be counter productive.
I think the egotistical LeBron angle is a bit much. Assuming LeBron did reach out, do you really believe he’s doing it to force Cleveland’s hand? Come on now. That’s ridiculous. I like Wiggins a lot. I want to keep him. I’m hoping this rumor is leaked by Flip Saunders, as you said, to make Golden State offer up Klay Thompson. Even without Love, this team could win the East this season. With Love, we are the favorites. With Love AND Wiggins, we’re legitimate contenders for a ring this season. I don’t think Cleveland is rash enough to give up… Read more »
I want to keep Wiggins as well, and would prefer not to trade for Love at all. But even if we do trade for him, I’m not going to let it ruin my positive disposition regarding the current state of the Cavs. In late May we had Mike Brown, a supposedly unhappy Kyrie, and were staring at the 9th pick in the draft. Now we have David Blatt, Kyrie locked up, Andrew Wiggins! (or worst case scenario Kevin Love!), and the best basketball player in the world LEBRON JAMES! Anyone who acts upset is being greedy. We’ve finally received a… Read more »
Yes, it is a better situation than what we had in May. But those of us who are upset are not upset cuz of greed. The team as it currently stands has a potential 10 year run in it. Take away that flexibility, cap us out right from the get go and we’re down to half that at best. Add a bad injury to that and its maybe 2-3 years.
Not to mention how exciting it is to think that arguably the best player of all time will be around to help these young guys grow. I find it hard to believe that LeBron James won’t have at least some degree of positive influence on Wiggins, Waiters, Irving, Bennett, and company. We’re talking about a guy who sees the floor and understands the game of basketball as well as anyone who has ever played. THAT is a great thing for a young player’s development. Love makes us title contenders sooner. Wiggins + Waiters + Bennett, in due time, makes us… Read more »
I’m going to say NO to the 10 year run thing. The CBA and cap penalty rules will rule that out. More of a challenge for Cavs because of the high draft picks we’ve had, and those guys are going to want raises at contract time. We, and in include myself, all need to adjust out perspectives because of this. I do also support Albert’s sentiments — our luck as been FAR OUT!
Say YES to the 10 year run! With this much young talent around LeBron, and a money is no obstacle owner, there are plenty of moves down the road to keep at the top.
One of the trades mentioned is Wiggins, Waiters, Delly, and Felix for Love. That is very likely to be bad for THIS YEAR! It is obviously a disaster long term. That is why I can’t believe LeBron is pushing for Love. He is not a dummy. Those rumors most likely started in MN, in hopes of tricking GS into trading KT.
Isn’t the cap supposed to go up big time in 2 seasons? By the time we need to pay Bennett and maybe Dion-assuming they progress well- we should be fine.
Great article, as always. Really interesting that Wiggins could prevent a trade as you described – I had no idea. And as for LeBron potentially tampering once again, well, at least it (maybe – if Wiggins stays and we get Love in FA next year) will favor the Cavs this time.
AGREE WITH YOU DUFFY’S AGENT HAS THE LEVERAGE—–USE IT TO YOUR ADAVANTAGE—–WIGGINS BEST SITUATION IS RIGHT HERE WITH THE CAVS WITH LEBRON MENTORING HIM ( BEST CHANCE TO GROW AT A RAPID PACE AND REACH HIS POTENTIAL AND ALSO ASIST WITH HOW TO HANDLE THE MEDIA AND OFF THE CT SITUATIONS )—-WHAT IS THERE WAITING FOR WIGGINS AT MINNESOTA —-MAY HAVE SOME ” INFLATED STATS ” BUT WOULD STRUGGLE ON AN AVERAGE TEAM—IF I AM DUFFY AND WIGGINS I USE THIS TO MY ADAVNTAGE
nomad, please. we can hear you fine in lower case, and its easier to read
Lower case please.