Recap: Cavs 105, Raptors 91 (or, visions of Aught 9)
2014-12-06The Cavaliers methodically defeated the second best team in the NBA in a hostile environment on the second night of a back-to-back after a restless night despite giving away a double-digit lead. It’s only early December, but the Cavs’ growth is palpable. This game (much like the revenge exacted upon the Wizards) perfectly contrasted the defeat in the first meeting.
1st Quarter: The Cavs reliably involve Anderson Varejao in opening quarters, and so far this season he has delivered. He’s averaging 80% from the field and the team is +17/48min with him on the court in the first. With each subsequent quarter, his usage, efficiency, and the Cavs effectiveness with him on the court declines. At first I was puzzled by this, as I’ve always seen Andy as a clutch 4th quarter player (how many possessions he steals!) but at this point, he’s a big part of the reason the Cavs are jumping out to big leads in almost every game. (+52 in 1st quarters over the last 6 games combined). Points in the 1st quarter are just as valuable as those in the 4th, so, whatever works! LeBron fed Andy three times in the first five minutes and the Raptors called a rage timeout after the last one. The Cavs first eight baskets were assisted, and they finished the quarter with a 30-21 lead. Over at gotbuckets (our sister site?) we’ve long lauded the underratedness of Amir Johnson – an APM All-Star. Johnson’s “problem”, if you want to call it that, is he has traditionally been limited in playing time due to his penchant for fouling. In the first quarter he scored 12 of the Raptors 21 points. And he wasn’t done.
2nd Quarter: Right off the bat Sweet Lou Williams drained a three and I thought about tearing off my arms and throwing them at the TV. Williams was a major spark plug in Philly and I thought Danny Ferry landed a coup when he signed Williams as a free agent. Ferry, no stranger to players setting career lows as soon as he signs them (shakes fist at Larry Hughes signing), got a lemon. And, of course, as soon as he was traded to Toronto he looks like a runaway 6th man of the year winner. I braced for the worst, but thankfully, Williams wasn’t so sweet tonight.
https://twitter.com/tompestak/status/541039148602507264
Wouldn’t you know it James Jones came in and drained two treys and then some. Eight points in eight minutes?! Yes, please!
<=== pumped for grantland's James Jones piece
— Ben Cox (@CoxSportsOhio) December 6, 2014
The Cavs struggled over the next seven minutes, managing just four points. The difference between this game and many others this season is that the Cavs stagnation, turnovers, and inability to get out of their own way didn’t translate to a huge run by the other team. With the exception of the Jones triples and one play where Dion drove under the hoop and fed LeBron for an UNLEASHING OF THE KRAKKEN dunk, the Cavs offense was super smelly, and yet they only lost the quarter by two points: 23-21. Amir Johnson added five more puntos, giving him 17 at the half.
Halftime: The Raptors broadcast had an interview with T-Mac, who remains one of the most dominant players I ever saw in person. Also in attendance were Magic Johnson, Dikembe Mutombo, and Charles Barkley, on account of a tribute to Nelson Mandela.
Probably no two people on earth having more fun than Austin Carr and Magic right now pic.twitter.com/zINYj35cKS
— Brendan Porath (@BrendanPorath) December 6, 2014
3rd Quarter: The Cavs (mainly LeBron) started off the 3rd quarter in a funk. Two misses and three turnovers in the first six possessions. The Raptors responded by hitting two contested long-2s and then, after 20 seconds of superb defense, Amir Johnson measured and splashed a deep, straight-on three to conclude a broken play. As soon as he found himself with the ball (about 3 feet behind the line) I thought to myself, “he’s gonna shoot that, and watch him bank it in or something”. As soon as it left his hand my only question was whether it would graze the rim or spank the bottom of the net. It was just perfect, the launch angle, follow through, rotation. Of course it went in. It brought the Raptors within one point at 53-52.
Moments later Kyle Lowry buried a crowd-willed three and Toronto claimed its first lead of the night. But Kyrie Irving is a freaking layup sorcerer and responded with one of his many feathery finishes. It was the last time the Cavs trailed. Much like the previous night, Kyrie really took over the moment. He followed up the momentum stopping layup with another layup (similar to the game-sealer in NYC) and then a dish to KLove for a layup. The Cavs went from turnover machine to easy-bucket generator in the blink of an eye. They followed up the layup line with back to back triples from Kyrie and LeBron. Give half credit for Kyrie’s trey to Tristan Thompson who fought for an offensive rebound and kicked it out to a wide-open Irving, who was lost in the chaos of the O-board. Kyrie also dove (full extension) to save a ball from rolling out of bounds which led to a nifty behind the back pass from LeBron to Tristan for a transition flush. The Cavs finished the quarter on a 19-6 run and took a commanding 14-point lead into the final quarter.
4th Quarter: Near the end of the 4th quarter I had a flashback. For the first time this season the 2014-2015 Cavaliers reminded me of my favorite sports team of all time: the 2008-2009 Cavaliers, a team that stays with me like a friendly ghost. The Cavaliers of aught 9 willed themselves to victory on innumerable occasions. They could go through periods of offensive stagnation. They could run into a hot hand (uncharacteristic of not). But when their offense slowed, their defense tightened. When the other team captured a lead thanks in large part to a few lucky breaks, the aught 9 Cavs almost always had an answer. It was extremely difficult to beat that team. I recognize the Raptors were without DeMar DeRozan tonight, but I firmly believed that the Cavs just had to be close at halftime. They were just going to win this game no matter the circumstances.
The final period didn’t start well for the wine and gold. They missed their first five shots while James Johnson scored five quick points, crushing any dreams of blowout rest for Irving, Love, or LeBron. Patrick Patterson splashed a corner 3, and the Cavs were in the thick of a dogfight, their blown 18-point lead from just two weeks prior fresh in everyone’s mind. Between a couple more head-shaking layups by Kyrie the wunderkind, a “WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS”(followed by an eye-rolling concession upon the pyrrhic victory) Dion step-back two, and a “I’m serious now” mid-range J by LeBron, the Cavs had an answer for everything the Raptors could muster. Then, after 20 seconds of stout defense the Cavs got aggressive and seemed to force a loose ball. They created a broken play and the Raptors lucked out big time, with the chaotic scramble leaving Terrence Ross alone in the corner. It was a deflating 3. The Cavs had been up 12 and a steal+bucket would have more or less put the game out of reach. Perhaps out of frustration or lack of patience, Kyrie walked up and tried to answer right back with a three of his own. He missed, and Kyle Lowry literally said “my turn.” He walked up and canned almost the same shot Irving had just attempted: a six (maybe eight or nine) point swing in less than 48 seconds.
The Cavs called timeout, TT checked into the game, and then the good guys willed themselves to a methodical dismantling of the Raptors, who suddenly looked like a disorganized, albeit spirited, young team. First, LeBron drove right and tossed in a soft runner off the glass to stop the bleeding. After that, it was the Tristan Thompson homecoming game. TT grabbed four key rebounds in the final five minutes, battled for an assortment of garbage man free throws (which he canned), and threw the hammer dagger down on his countrymen.
https://twitter.com/Cavsanada/status/541063722106515456
The Improvements I’ve Witnessed:
-As someone with much less patience for “the process” than I’d have self-reported, I’ve been treated to some markedly obvious improvements. The Cavs defense has turned a corner. As I said on my weekly segment with Mark Neal, they’ve quietly emerged from the depths of the NBA’s worst defensive teams to becoming league average. Tonight?
Toronto had a 112.4 offensive rating coming into tonight. Cavs held em to 91 points. on a Back to Back.That'll do.
— FearTheSword (@FearTheSword) December 6, 2014
-It was way back during the Meteor Shower game against the Hawks that I first noticed the Cavs paying special attention to Kyle Korver (aka taking the scouting report to heart). They’ve been playing smarter defense as a team. Blatt has mixed in some soft zones and the defensive rotations have gotten tighter. I’ve been wondering why their rebounding often seems underwhelming, and tonight I noticed that the big men are making more of a conscious effort to contest dribble drives while still contesting stretch bigs. Last year’s Cavaliers made a concerted effort to pack the paint at the expense of nightly 3-point barrages (last in the NBA in opponent 3PFA made). This year’s squad is a finesse defensive team if there is such a thing. They don’t put opposing teams on the free throw line, they switch a lot, and they’re league average at allowing 3s. Recently Kyrie Irving has showcased a completely different level of effort in fighting through screens and making life somewhat difficult for ball-handlers that had been shredding the Cavs with dribble penetration. Additionally, the bigs have been more willing to slide out of position to contest the dribbling forays that threatened the immediate basket area. The result has been many more offensive rebounds for the opponents than many of us expected. But on the flip side, the Cavs suddenly find themselves above average in defensive efficiency – a feat that seemed far-fetched just two weeks ago.
-Kyrie Irving has adapted to playing off the ball better than I imagined (and I expected him to thrive with his new superstar teammates). He is playing the best basketball of his career. He is striking the perfect balance between taking over games, setting up teammates, and playing effective basketball within the flow of the game.
Things We Liked:
1.) “JAMES FREAKING JONES knocking down threes like they were NOTHING in the first half” – EvilGenius
2.) “It seemed like everyone hit the floor tonight, even KLove, defensive energy was infectious! Canadian Dynamite’s domination on the offensive glass, LeBron finding his stroke in the second half, Kyrie’s sick finishing at the rim…” – Steve
3.) “Kyrie setting defensive tone” – Matt Gordon
4.) “He is Dennis Rodman with manners.” -Scotch gushing about TT
5.) Everything – Cols
Things We Didn’t Like:
1.) “I didn’t like that Lebon still doesn’t know how to dribble and keeps throwing stupid passes.” -RodneyMac
2.) “Dion’s inability to finish.” – Jon
3.) Too many minutes for Big 3 – Matt Gordon
https://twitter.com/tompestak/status/541056983164792833
5.) Where is Ray Ray? Jesus (Shuttlesworth) Saves – Cols
Final Thoughts:
The Cavs have so much room for improvement and are sitting comfortably at 11-7. I believe tonight was their first signature win of the season. I’ve been extremely frustrated with them at times, and they still do a lot of boneheaded/puzzling things.
-I predicted they would be one of the best transition teams in the history of the NBA and instead it’s like the Benny Hill music should be playing on half of their fast breaks. LeBron has never been this ineffective in fast break situations in his entire life. Part of it is certainly a lack of chemistry, but part of it is LeBron’s insistence on being the ball-handler in every fast break situation instead of being a runner darting towards the basket. He’s neither faster than the frantic defenders that are scrambling back nor is he able to elevate over/around/through them anymore. His decision making doesn’t fit with his current abilities. I’m holding out hope that he’s dealing with a nagging back injury or something that will eventually subside. But if this is the new LeBron, he needs to make an adjustment on some of these fast breaks. The awkward jump-passes are just leading to turnovers.
-A direct quote from Mike Miller in the Grantland piece is: “What I liked about him [LeBron in HS] even then is he impacted the game without scoring”. PREACH, BROTHER! The ability to impact a game without scoring, or when the shots aren’t falling is what separates players with similar talent levels. I’m losing hope that Dion Waiters can ever impact a game when his shot isn’t falling. And since Dion seems like a confidence player, his psyche can cripple his game. He’s in a huge slump right now and I just wish he could take his athleticism, frame, and frustration and channel it into a Tony Allen-like “Grindfather” approach where he decides no one is going to score on him. He has legit offensive talent but he can’t seem to get find a groove. He had a nice pass to LeBron tonight but continues to shoot a miserable percentage from the field and has not looked very effective on defense (at least to me). It’s for this reason I long for Delly’s return. There is a guy that impacts the game in every way imaginable that isn’t scoring.
-There are few players I dislike more than Kyle Lowry. And if he was on the Cavs I think he’d be my favorite player. Anyone else get visceral reactions from this guy?
-I’m not sure what round of the Jonas v TT debate we are in. TT’s saved at least 2 games by himself this season. He completely dominated the matchup tonight. (I advise you to ignore what Harrison Barnes is doing right now).
-Speaking of Cavalier big men decision making – there was some “we should have found a way to keep Tyler Zeller” talk around here despite the drunken euphoria of the off-season. Nate feel free to write a long “told you so” comment below. TZ is having a hell of a third season. He scored a career-high 24 tonight.
-TT is finishing at the rim and at the line this season. This is a new development, and wow, is it exciting!
-I’ve been dogging LeBron like crazy this season. (Because of a million reasons). I still believe he’s the best player in the NBA. I also think he’s playing at about 75% of his optimal. He had 13 dimes tonight and some of them were sweet.
I expected the Cavs to have their lunch money stolen tonight. Instead, they delivered an impressive win against a solid (and hungry) team. This is a huge win. I know Toronto is a better team than they showed tonight. (Losing DeRozan has put Kyle Lowry into a high-usage situation that, and he’s not as effective in it. Grievous Vasquez had been playing very well since DeMar’s groin rip, but he was very meh tonight.) Cleveland didn’t play their best game either – they can and should continue to get better and better. If they can be a league average defensive team and a top-three offensive team, they can go places.
Quote of this thread:
EvilGenius says:
December 6, 2014 at 1:51 pm
Ah, don’t worry. There’s bound to be another Zeller in this year’s draft. Aren’t the Zellers like that family with 19 kids or something?
Cav fan from Puerto Rico.
There is big news coming by Mark Stein regarding possible trades.We need a big one.
http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/3367/add-memphis-koufos-to-cavs-wish-list
Welcome to CtB, Luis.
Thank you for the welcome. Any word on Ray Allen comming to Cavs to join his friend LeBron?
We are all waiting to find out. The more that Allen waits, the longer it will take him to get into basketball shape at his age. It appeared that Lebron took much off the summer and was not physically ready for the season. At this point, I don’t know if somebody his age can make it back after being idle so long.
Welcome Luis!! Good to have you on the board!
From start to finish, this is one of the best sets of blog comments I’ve ever seen. Glad the spirit has picked up around here.
keep hearing / reading about the cavs interested in acquiring tayshawn prince—my feelings are — WE DON’T NEED ANOTHER 34 YR OLD VET WITH ALOT OF MILEAGE AND GIVING AWAY A YOUNG PLAYER OR DRAFT PICK ( EVEN MENTIONED DION FOR PRINCE STRAIGHT UP —WHICH WOULD BE TOTALLY STUPID )— GO YOUNG—-GO BIG IF A TRADE IS TO BE MADE —WOULD LIKE THE FEELINGS ON THIS FROM YOU FELLOW BLOGGERS
I say we trade Kyrie.
On another note, Noel and Sims held Drummond to 7 pts & 8 reb (20 minutes) in an OT win over Detroit yesterday. You can fit three Nerlens Noels inside a Drummond.
Who needs Harrison Barnes? Danny Green scored 31 in Golden State’s win over Chicago last night. We just shoulda kept him.
Barnes – 11 points and no rebounds in 25 minutes.
Danny Green is on the Spurs. Draymond Green is on the Warriors. And no, the Cavs should not have kept him.
I was hoping nobody caught that. Two points, Kevin.
It’s been quite awhile since we got to see the cavs on top of the central division! Enjoy and how about the Buckeyes. Great weekend for ohio now if the browns could hit as well.
I just saw that as well. With the Bulls loss, they are percentage points ahead of Chicago. Cavs in a pretty good place right now with still a pretty forgiving schedule ahead in December.
Great, dominating win by the Buckeyes. They should be in the top four (although the VT loss will probably still haunt them). Hoping against hope for a Browns win (if they lose, they should maybe draft Cardale Jones).
Good wraparound weekend opportunities for the Cavs Monday night in Brooklyn. GO CAVS!
Great write-up, Tom. Not only was last night a signature win, it was an all-around great basketball game to watch. The Raptors are a quality squad and really proud at home. The story here for me is the way that this team is starting to establish its identity. Kyrie’s quick development is such a pleasant surprise, but Lebron becoming a full on Magic Johnson is a thrill. Yeah, I’d like more flashes of the physically dominant LBJ that we’ve known and loved, and they haven’t quite worked out their fast breaks, but his passing (Love in the corner, ally-oop to… Read more »
I am good with LeBron saving the physically dominant style for the playoffs. The Cavs don’t need it in the regular season.
Thank you!
Don’t jinx this team though. The #seasonofhuh is too fresh in my mind. Last night’s game was mostly excellent. So glad the Cavs got two revenge games out of the way.
#seasonoftheWeirdMonster is a definite go. Captures the difficulties of trying to defend this team, especially when James jones, mike miller, and dion are all shooting acceptable percentages. And try running an offense against Kyrie’s and MattyD’s incessant perkiness, David Blatt’s able schemes, and an increasingly communicative Tristan Thompson anchoring the already improved defense. We aren’t unbeatable, we aren’t completely stifling, but we are a very peculiar creature for whom team’s must prepare.
Who would have thought that KI would reach MD level of perkiness?
I’ve noticed that Blatt really plays to win – every night. Even if it means wear and tear on the starters. “Rotations? We don’t need no stinkin’ rotations! When I see a guy can’t reach the rim when he shoots I take him out until he’s breathing normally again.” Brown and Scott had rotations. And we lost. This winning attitude is rubbing off on all the players, including the ones that have never been to the playoffs. Outside of offensive plays and defensive rotations, the Cavs have been learning how to win. Of course, this is not to insinuate that… Read more »
I’m currently wishcasting Blatt into the Basketball HOF…
You wouldn’t have written that if George was posting here.
Well, I’m also wishcasting that George will someday join the Game Threads instead of ranting in obscurity on threads gone by. Man that guy types like he’s having a stroke. Come on George! Water’s warm on the Game Threads!
So Cols invented a word. I think “wishcast” is legit. One of my goals in life was to invent a word. One day I did. “Lesdyxia.” Kinda like Dyslexia. It’s not when you read things sideways. It’s when you say thing sideways-sorta. I also want to invent something like the “smiley face.”
Lesdyxia is a pretty good word.
I like it! Can you use it in a sentence?
“EvilGenius asked me to write a sentence using the word lesdyxia.” How’s that for you? I don’t think you can write it in a sentence, because lesdyxia is speaking out of order, not writing. If anybody can come up with one, though, it’s CtBers – they’re clever. It’s kinda the opposite of the sentence you can speak but never write correctly. “There are three (two’s, to’s, too’s) in the English language.” You can say that but can’t write it straight out. On the mathematical side of all this: There are three types of people in the world – Those that… Read more »
I tried to come up with a clever response, but forgot to remember that I have lydexia.
Actually, as I was typing this, I heard one from Art Briles, coach of Baylor: “Point to four resumes better than ours and you’re not finding one…” Wait coach, didn’t you want four?
I think that all the minutes the starters have been getting is one of the reasons the team has begun to jell early on. They’re stuck on the floor together so much it would be impossible for them not to figure each other out – even under Brown and Scott.
It will have to change eventually, but for now, I think, it has accelerated our development.
Yep. Playing them lots of minutes early makes a lot of sense. Blatt will cut back later.
. . . when it all comes together and they get such big leads all the time that they regularly sit the 4th quarter.
Not to change a subject but where would you put this raptor team (healthy de roan of course ) out west? Myself I see them near mavs and rockets. Not sours Grizzlies warriors or clippers though. Spurs. Sorry my iPad keyboard won’t let me correct it.
Before DeRozan went out they were 1st in the entire NBA in SRS. They’ve dropped a bit since then.
Through the first 14 games they were as good as anyone.
I’d put them in the top 10 in the NBA by seasons end.
Best team right now is still San Antonio.
who just beat Memphis in Memphis.
I think Sours is a good nickname for a Pop coached team of geriatrics.
Tom, terrific write-up! I really enjoy your multi-media approach to the recaps. The Raptor mascot double fail was hysterical, and I have not only followed Justin Rowan, but also made that epic shot of TT “Crotchsterizing” Lowry my new screen saver. There was so much to like/love about this game. Andy’s hustle and crazy layups out of the gate, LBJ making some creative and timely passes for assists, KLove being on from the perimeter from the jump, Kyrie continuing his magic with the rock, the aforementioned JAMES FREAKING JONES. But what impressed me the most was the improvements on defense.… Read more »
Even if that team made it past Orlando, they would have been destroyed by the Lakers. That team had three legit 7-footers. The Cavs couldn’t even stop Dwight.
Beg to differ. I went to a lot of Laker games that year (since my company at the time had a corporate suite) and the Cavs would have shut those Lakers down much easier than the Magic. You have to remember how otherworldly their shooting was in that series against the Cavs and how dominating Dwight was. Lakers would have had NO answer for LBJ. And Cavs would have had home court and the Lakers were not great on the road that year. I believe the Cavs would have dispatched them 4-2 in that Finals.
thanks man! Crotchsterizing! CLICK CLICK
I want Dan Gilbert to make that Crotchterizing shot into a Fathead. Guaranteed I would buy like 50 and send them to friends and family as Christmas gifts. They probably wouldn’t talk to me again, but would get me out of buying so many Christmas gifts in the future. Long live the Crotchterization!!!
Can we talk about that youtube video of the Raptor falling? I can’t stop watching that.
When he faceplants and his tail deflates I lose it every time – also his chomping while he’s going down
I could watch it frequently and the 9 year old in me shines through. I wonder if there is a non sports fan equivalent. Reading wannabe Twitter comediand might be a close second. Who thought the blades were a great idea even without the cumbersome suit needs to take a bow. Somewhere drake is giggling.
I can’t believe there was a human being in that suit! That guy/girl must have broken something in one of those falls. I hope they were drinking
I’m assuming Harrison Barnes is ballin’ now. CG will never work as a GM again.
I haven’t followed him to see if ballin is the right word. My guess is with the talent around him at GS he is a good player benefiting by being on a great team. If cavs beat GS out west then they have arrived at a new level. Until then I think they are a work in progress. A great work no less but let’s be real about have far they still have left to go. Especially the bench. I doubt this bench could sustain the onslaught the Warriors Blazers or clippers will send when both sides are at full… Read more »
West is insane. Seven teams posting a 4.8+ point differential. Top seven teams are all elite with less than three games separating them. As good as the West was last year, they might be even better this year, and OKC isn’t even in the mix right now. Cavs start beating those guys, then I will be ecstatic.
I think the wolves, lakers, jazz and nuggets are all really bad to not good.
Now the other teams all range from honest potential champ to really great and finishing with “once healthy, dangerous”
Thought I saw CG down at Venice Beach the other day. Had a sign that read “Will wishcast for food”
Man Zeller would look really good in a Cavs uni. Too bad they couldn’t work with James to keep Zeller on the roster.
One of the few positive trends from last year was Zeller’s improvement. I was very sad to see him go.
Yep. A Zeller, Wiggins, Bennett and Jack bench would be amazing.
(sorry, two gaskets with one post opportunity with Cols and Hot Sauce).
Yeah, Bennett had a 20 point game this year too. Played 3 1/2 minutes a couple of nights ago.
Yeah, but don’t you miss ol’ GumDrop Bear?
Yes . . . yes I do. I still think he is gifted physically and skill wise to be a top player. He just doesn’t know what he’s doing and isn’t intense when he’s doing it. I wanted a bruiser, and if we didn’t take Noel, I thought Bennett was going to be it. In 10 years, I’m sure they’ll be able to transplant Barkley’s intensity into Bennett’s body. EvilGenius might know . . . On the Jonas Valanciunas thing: Yeah, I wanted him. He was 7′, young, super active and fast. I thought that if he remained active once… Read more »
Are there any bruisers left in the NBA that aren’t head cases? I used to HATE when the Cavs of the mid-late 80s and early 90s were labeled “soft” and “finesse” because they didn’t have an enforcer to combat the Rick Mahorns, Charles Oakleys and Bill Laimbeers of the league, but those guys were tough as nails (and pretty dirty too). Who are those guys today? I’d love it if somebody like Alex Dirk just decided he was going to be tough guy enforcer. Just use his six fouls to knock people down and be a hard nosed bully. He… Read more »
Ah, don’t worry. There’s bound to be another Zeller in this year’s draft. Aren’t the Zellers like that family with 19 kids or something?
There are no other deals. People thinking we could’ve gotten james and not made the boston trade are just wish casting their crazy ideal scenarios. It’s dumb and counterproductive. They made that trade to get cap space to show james they could give him a max deal. Any messing around and trying to be cute and maybe james ends up back at Miami. It would be so stupid and dumb and idiotic to risk James for the likes I. A 10-15 minute guy like zeller. Please stop bringing him up. Or if you bring him up then assume we kept… Read more »
From a financial perspective the deals could have been to take anyone to make the numbers work. You are right that the begging job griffin had to do to clear space for James required loosing all leverage with Boston. They become the driver and they most likely saw zeller as a fit in the bench in coach Stevens rotation. If memory serves me I bet philly would have maneuvered their extra 2 bs rounders for a former grant trade chip. Or even clever work using developmental league callups so Boston could cut and sign a more ulcerative target.
I’m wishcasting a raise at work next week…
I can’t read your comments out loud to my 6 and 4 year olds. I worry they will acquire your sardonic humor and clever created words. Then use them in proper context and my wife or his friends parents will “throw shade my way”. However I will read to myself and smile
I’ll take credit for the sardonic humor, but I have to give Cols props for inventing the word “wishcasting.” Thanks for smiling along though ;)
I miss Zeller too. Would be a great extra big here. BUT, we did move him in order to clear space for LBJ. For the Zeller peeps, what alternative deals do you think Griffin should have executed to get LBJ AND keep Zeller, and what evidence do you have that those deals were realistic options? Wherever people fall on the TT v. JV debate, its fascinating how, 4 years into their careers, they are both so young with so much upside. Its a good example of how difficult it must befor a GM to choose between young prospects in a… Read more »
I commented below on the zeller stuff. For Jonas I think he would have been obvious since it was a need. Grant loaded the cavs with power forwards of redundant skill. I think grant showed us how asset driven he was. He never really thought about asset deployment. I bet he had visions of moving pieces to acquire love or aldrich and grin like he was on game of thrones or something. Jonas was a 1 year euro stash player and I bet Gilbert told him no. Myself I think having Jonas could have meant making a bid on Paul… Read more »
Maybe the Cavs can pick up Karasev, then trade him and the Bogans Memorial Exception back to Boston to get Zeller back. Then they can trade Zeller and Dion to Philly for Nerlens Noel. Then they can trade Nerlens and a pick for Al Horford. And then… wait, what was I saying?
This team would destroy the 2009 team. It woudn’t be close. 120-59 or something like that.
That’s an egregious exaggeration Cols C’mon! I normally defend you but remember those teams won 66 and 62 games respectively. If not for a few bad bounces against Orlando, I think we could have beaten the Lakers had we made it to the finals. It memory serves me correctly we won both regular season matchups. Those were very good teams but so was Boston! We had the Lakers number though. I forget which year it was, but I attended the Christmas Day game at Staples and our lead ballooned so large that Lakers fans in disgust started throwing the commemorative… Read more »
That Cavs team had a worse Lebron and every other player was worse than what we have now. Sorry but having Love and Irving and Leb is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leb Mo and ???????????????????
That team had a different LeBron. That LeBron was five years younger. This LeBron is five years smarter.
And future LeBron would know exactly what 09 LeBron would do before he did it. It would be like that movie Looper
That made me smile. Not quite LOL, but close.
Clearly we have ample evidence of that because the Cavs beat a team with a good record who didn’t have their best player… When the Cavs beat an elite western team or the Bulls at full strength, we can have this discussion.
I doubt this Cavs team would beat that team right now. Even if they did they wouldn’t hold them to 59 points. They might win a shootout but you are over exaggersting. That team was one of the best teams ever to not win a title
Leb, Love, Irving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leb, Mo, and West?
It’s insane to think otherwise.
Yeah, in three on three, but in a 48 minute five-on-five battle? 2009 Cavs every time…. Sorry bud. Defense Matters. That team had five guys average .9 steals per game or better. Six guys averaged a 2.3% block percentage or higher (and three guys over 3.4%). They were #1 in the NBA in defense and #3 in offense. (2014-2015 is 15th and 4th).
LeBron, Love, Irving, Marion, Andy, Waiters, TT, Miller, James Jones, Delly, Joe Harris and four guys who don’t play <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 2009 LeBron, Mo, West, 2009 Andy, Z, Gibson, Ben Wallace, Wally, Joe Smith, Sasha, J.J Hickson, Darnell Jackson, Terrance Kinsey, Lorenzen Wright, Jawad Williams That 2009 team is so much more athletic, much deeper, and so much tougher (except for LeBron, mentally), so much better at defending the perimeter and the basket, and so so much better at shooting (check the percentages).
LeBron in 2009 was playing at such a higher level than LeBron so far this season. Hopefully that changes soon.
Not to agree with Cols in anyway, but I think the conference may be tougher now then 2009. I have no stats to back this up, so I guess this is more of a guestimate…??? Also, even though Bron is playing at a lesser level physically, he’s probably more in tune mentally especially when it comes to the post season. It’s a difficult comparison because we are looking at 20 games vs close to 100.
nah – Cleveland, Boston, and Orlando were 3 of the top 4 teams in basketball in 2009.
https://twitter.com/tompestak/status/541475349016502272
You know the definition of insanity is doing (or saying) the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?
You know the definition of insanity is doing (or saying) the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?
Tell that to a hitter in baseball. Doing exactly the same thing leads to batting titles.
Or a serial killer. What’s your point? Mine was that some people on this board just say the same things over and over and expect a different result. AKA the definition of insanity.
I have no point. Just making a wisecrack.
However, that definition of insanity has pissed me off for decades, because it is dumb. You can be sure Einstein never said it.
I can’t be sure Einstein never said it. Maybe he was just quoting Rita Mae Brown ;)
Here is the video of the six point swing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vENOxXUlO0#t=4m35s I’ve noticed this year (more than ever) how much of a joke assists are. I remembered Lowry walking up the court and firing a three. When I was looking back through the play-by-play while doing the recap it said James Johnson assisted. Watch that video and tell me that counts as an assist. Similarly, when LeBron’s triple double was taken away there were at least 3 (maybe more) occasions where he was awarded a bogus assist. On one play he may have tipped a ball near the backboard after a… Read more »
https://twitter.com/tompestak/status/541279021426683905
You know the definition of insanity is doing (or saying) the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?
Okay… the “Ray Ray” chanting must not have worked. Time to go to your happy place Cols. It’s February, All-Star weekend. All of your favorite guys are there… Leb, Kyrie, Kevin. Just before the game Dan Gilbert and David Griffin are interviewed courtside and they announce that they’ve just traded Dion and the Keith Bogans Memorial Trade Exeption to the 76ers for Nerlens Noel…but wait…there’s more! They’ve just signed the one and only Jesus Shuttlesworth for the rest of the season! And to do it, all they had to do was cut that awful Matthew Dellavadova (Australians are TERRIBLE at… Read more »
Oh man. This gets me excited. I might have to change my underwear.
This is the greatest comment ever on one of my recaps. Thank you EvilGenius and Cols for making this possible.
Just happy to be a part of it…. especially if it helps Cols find his center ;)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Bogans trade exception can’t be combined with another player/exception in a trade.
Right, cause THAT was the point of the post. SMH
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The only thing that surprises me about this statement is that you actually think the 09 Cavs would score at all on the current Cavs team. Pass the duchy on the left hand side…
I’d still rather have Jonas over TT. Size matters. Hey-O!
Nobody named Jonas ever won anything. Also anyone with that unpronounceable of a last name needs a decent nickname (a la Greek Freak for Atentedonkotumpondobloalsls….) you know what I mean.
Dion defended well last night, despite being clearly frustrated by his lack of offense. He had a BS foul called him at the end of the first half, and took a tech for demonstrativeness. But it was the defense and intensity on that side of the ball I enjoyed. He also drove and feed LeBron for a sweet dunk or two, tonight, at which point I screamed: “that’s why you get in the paint!” I love these Cavs games where there’s so much good that you can write an epic recap and still skip over a ton of stuff: Cavs… Read more »
There’s no way we get James without making the Boston trade. Stop it. And getting cute about it would be really really idiotic. Imagine losing James be user you wanted to keep a backup center. How stupid is that. Stop. Just stop. Your world of ideal trades where you get everything ou want and give up nothing is infuriating because it doesn’t freaking exist. Let’s make a rule that you cannot mention Zeller without mentioning that getting cute with him or keeping him means no lebron James. ok? Your I told you so comment is insane. You sound like George… Read more »
not sure how Nate is getting cute with the zeller comment. Or why a pro zeller stance requires a no LBJ mention. Care to clarify because I think you went a bit far reading into something that isn’t there. Was it Jason Lloyd or Sam amico who stated that Boston insisted on zeller even though a workable trade was on the table.
Can I agree with both Cols and Nate? I hated to see Zeller go, but if the Celtics insisted on him, he had to go. Cols is right, and nothing fires him up like condemning the Boston trade, guys. Zeller is a nice player, but before last night he was getting 17 minutes a game as a back up to Kelly Olynyk – not a household name himself. It’s easy to get pumped about him after a 24 point game. I’d like to have him so that TT could give Love some bench time, but the way Blatt plays guys… Read more »
No. It’s theoretically impossible to agree with both Cols and Nate. The universe would implode…
Oooo-k. Hmmm. I thought that only EvilGenius-es can make the world implode.
Only on a good day ;)
Uh, I told you he was going to be pretty good this season? Overreact much? Slow your roll.
I was one of many who immediately said we would miss TZ. It is hard to know what what could have been worked out. The situation was most likely in flux at the time. One extreme possibility is that Rich Paul had everything planned out, in which case an adjustment could have been found to keep TZ. More likely, everything was up in the air, so DG+DG had to do everything possible to clear the decks in hopes that LJ might land. The team definitely needs another big. The strategy of putting in just one of the “bottom 7” per… Read more »
Oh the irony. Do you even realize it? Do you?
Uh oh. Cols is off his meds again. Eaaasy Cols. It’s going to be okay. Just breathe deep and chant “Ray Ray” to yourself until the Zeller thoughts flee your mind…
Remember, Cols is in Denver. The “mile high city” has two meanings since the last election. (Not picking on you, Cols, I love your rants. Sometimes you are right.)
Mile “High” City – love it.
Love the comment about Dion. The kid has all the tools to get to the paint every time he has the ball. He just needs to work on his game to develop his scoring from there and he will be an impact player, since he can already pass from the lane very well.
I used to always mix up James Jones and James Johnson in my head, generic names and all. After last night, I won’t do that again.
Every time I hear James Jones, I hear James Earl Jones in my head. “I’ve been waiting for you, Obi-wan. We meet again at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner. Now I am the master.”
The Benny hill reference cracked me up. I think I will be 90 and chuckle if I can read a piece that will reference him (that is if he gets referenced in 2064) It is great to see threads light up with comments. Now I don’t see as much fair weather fans as others might. I think of these sports forum blogs as my social media hangout. Now my moms generation would laugh at how worked up people get about online comments but I would honestly enjoy meeting the commenters in real life. Hopefully we could share some Pliny beer… Read more »
+1 on the Wacky Saxx. That song never gets old. Jim Rome plays it occasionally over random sports takes and it always makes me laugh.
probably most impressive win so far this season for Cavs, they took all of Toronto’s biggest hits and still won by 14 and could’ve won by much more. i don’t like lowry either but like you Tom i would love him on the Cavs. i also despised James Jones when he was on Heat and would heat random 3s and yet i loved it when he did same last night it would be nice for Tristan to be consistent on the boards and getting easy buckets like he did last night. felt he was outplayed by Quincy Acy (who is… Read more »
I just like the way you guys write, TT “threw the hammer dagger down on his countrymen!”
Keep it up!
heh glad you liked that. He “thew the hammer down” but it was also a dagger – didn’t know if “hammer dagger” made any sense
Thanks for the compliment!
It sure looks like a “hammer dagger” in the above shot against Lowry.