Resisting the Urge
2015-01-27
The Cavs have been linked to quite a few different players of late, from the recently released Nate Robinson and Jordan Farmar to China’s Bobby Brown and Will Bynum. Heck, there’s even been talk about bringing in Golden Buckeye candidates, Tayshaun Prince and Ray Allen. The Cavs, though, should resist any temptation to mess with the roster right now. I know, I know. This from the guy who said about a dozen times that you can never have too many “bullets in the gun,” but after my lamentations about roster construction earlier this year, David Griffin went out and brought in three rotation players that have markedly changed the talent level of the starting lineup and the bench. Those moves worked, LeBron got healthy, and now the team is winning. So don’t screw it up! The Cavs brass should resist the urge to mess with the roster. They should respect the streak, learn from team history, and not sacrifice the team’s future.
For one thing, there’s a higher order force at work here. The Cavs are on a streak, and in the words of Crash Davis, “Respect the streak. You know why? Because they don’t – -they don’t happen very often.” You don’t change things when you’re winning. You don’t cut your hair when you’re on a streak. If you have a lucky shirt you wear during a streak, you invest in Fabreeze before you wash it. If you’re showering with your wife’s fru-fru jasmine and ginger lady shampoo on a streak, you buy a gallon of it so you don’t run out. If your team is winning with no 15th player on the roster, you leave that spot open for the invisible Prophet Elijah. To reference a very dated and annoying commercial, Cavs are wearing the Doctor Scholl’s right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84838260&x-yt-ts=1422327029&feature=player_detailpage&v=qGErnbAVqGs
Yes, the Cavs do have some asterisks on their streak. They beat a slumping Bulls team. They caught the Clips on the night that Doc Rivers reunited with his son, and Doc played him with no practice to disastrous results. The Thunder scratched their starting center because of a Migraine minutes before the game. And the Hornets left their focus and will on the charter plane. But who cares why?. The Cavs are winning, and you don’t mess with a streak. You don’t even look at prospective players. In fact you don’t even talk about the “s” word. This is me not talking about it. Forget I even wrote these last two paragraphs.
Another reason the Cavs shouldn’t make any more moves is because now that they’re winning, there’s too much dark history that could repeat itself. I still contend that one of the worst decisions in team history was the decision to trade Zydrunas Ilgauskus for Antawn Jamison. It went along with the generally crappy the way the team treated Z throughout that season. The team had won 13 straight before that trade. After the trade, they lost three straight, threw in a six and eight game win streaks, and finished 18-10 after starting 43-11. (Four of those losses where at season’s end when resting their stars). Despite the winning that followed the trade, the move upset the chemistry in the locker room and Z’s confidence when he eventually returned a month later.
The Cavs lost their edge after that trade, and were never quite the same. As you remember, they ended up losing to Boston in the second round of the playoffs, and King James took his talents to South Beach. I believe the lack of loyalty shown towards Z by the Cavs that season was a much bigger factor in LeBron’s “Decision” than anyone realizes. This team the Cavs have going right now is something special. It needs to be nurtured — given room to grow. The Cavs need to support this fledgeling team like a farmer lets a baby chick grow into a dominant rooster. Show Kevin Love and prospective free agents that the Cavs take care of their players when they’re playing well, and that they don’t make B.S. lateral moves. Team chemistry is a magical element: no one knows how to conjure it, it’s easy to screw up, and everyone knows when it’s missing. When you have it, don’t mess with it.
Finally, the Cavs should avoid big roster shakeups because the offseason is only five months away. The Cavs have one free roster spot, now, but there’s already talk that the Cavs might move Brendan Haywood and his non-guaranteed 2015 balloon payment contract before the trade deadline. Jason Lloyd explained some of this thinking.
Assuming Kevin Love is still here, the Cavs will commit at least $58 million next season in salary just to Love, LeBron and Kyrie Irving. Add in Anderson Varejao’s $10 million for next season, new deals for Tristan Thompson and Iman Shumpert (each of whom will be coming off their rookie deals and seeking at least $10 million) and the Cavs’ payroll next season will explode through the cap (projected now around $66 million) and tax apron. That means Haywood’s contract cannot be used in sign-and-trade deals, which eliminates the Cavs from pursuing any free agents with his contract.
While all of that is true, there are no guarantees with Tristan Thompson and Iman Shumpert. Additionally, the Cavs can still use Haywood’s contract to trade for players already under contract. And there will be plenty of teams looking to move guys that are under contract in order to clear room to sign free agents next summer and in 2016. Trading Haywood’s contract pretty much eliminates the Cavs only tool to maneuver while over the tax threshold this July. That tool is much more useful for sustained franchise success than a 14th man. And it’s not like they have to use the whole $10 million.
If the Cavs do want to bring in more than one player, and we don’t want them to get rid of Haywood’s golden ticket contract, who should leave? LeBron’s buddies, Mike Miller and James Jones aren’t going anywhere. That leaves only two other end of the bench guys to move: Matthew Dellavedova and Joe Harris. We all know how I feel about Delly, and we all know how much some people hate Dellavedova.
There are two types of Cavs fans in this world: fans who love Dellavedova and fans who don’t understand basketball. While Delly’s not a scorer, he’s one of the most unique players in the league in that he can contribute with passing, defense, and rebounding at the point guard spot without having to score. It makes him a perfect guy to play when the Cavs are at full strength and are featuring high usage players like LeBron, Kyrie, Kevin Love, and J.R. Smith. Think Eric Snow and Allen Iverson (and their NBA finals appearance).
I don’t know if Joe Harris has the defensive chops to be the three and D guy the Cavs need him to be, but he’s had his moments on offense. And it would be nice for the Cavs to have one young guy on a cheap contract to develop. Dan Gilbert can’t pay luxury tax forever. Joe’s best game was probably the 12 point performance against Atlanta early this year, where he shadowed Korver all over the court, so he he’s shown ability in flashes. Do you cut him to bring in another end of the roster guy? I don’t think so. If the Cavs add a third point guard or another big with their 15th spot, and then Ray Allen wants to climb aboard the bandwagon? Well, maybe you cut Joe, he plays in Canton over the spring, and you bring him back next fall. If the Cavs have a three-point situation in double overtime in the playoffs, and Blatt looks down the bench, who would he rather see? Ray Allen or Joe Harris?
Argh. I’ve already talked myself into this. Forget that last paragraph. I’m repeating the mantra, “don’t tinker… don’t tinker…” …But if the Cavs do tinker, it should just be a very minor move. Hassan Whiteside has shown that teams can find good players in the D-League. Cleveland should try to find another one… “OUCH!” I just triggered my shock collar. “Don’t Tinker!” I tell myself. I need to get it tattooed on my arm. If I have this hard of a time resisting the urge, it must be hell for David Griffin.
Give me John Henson!
No idea why Milwaukee would trade him (he has a very team friendly contract) or what we could possibly offer them. We’d have to get a third team involved, but even then, I don’t know what Milwaukee needs.
They’re not trading Henson, and certainly not to help the team in front of them in the standings…
Agree they aren’t trading him. Disagree that the standings have anything to do with it. Milwaukee would trade a player to anyone, regardless of team, if it set them up for a better future along with Jabari Parker.
We clearly don’t have the disposable assets to be the team to make that move though.
You’re crazy if you don’t think teams don’t consider WHERE they are trading guys to… And no, Cavs have nothing the Bucks would want.
Agree with chemistry. But we CAVS fans know as well as any, come playoffs, talent matters. Delly is DLeaguer. I don’t know his metrics but he is not a defensive stalwart. I see him get exploited. No backup bigs. The rotation is currently working and I did not see a drop off in intensity versus the Thunder. Who would a team rather have Norris Cole, JJ Barera, or Patty Mills? We have Delly. I currently don’t see it. But, maybe he can step up and thrive when the moment counts. The thing I like about Delly is he is 6’4″.… Read more »
Interesting take on the Z/Jamison trade Nate. I never thought that it was a reason behind the collapse but it certainly would make sense.
Remember it was the same season that they didn’t play Z on the night he was set to break the all time games played record and his parents were in the crowd. Mike Brown is unforgivable in my eyes for that.
I have a feeling Cols is more a fan of the big budget films vs the art house types. We’ve got Michael Bay, Affleck, Willis, and Ashton Kutcher — that’s a Grammy Winner there!
Or an Oscar winner!!!
I think those guys would make beautiful music together, Arch.
I’m a fan of good movies. I really don’t care how they are made. Just like I’m a fan of the Cavs. I really don’t care how they are made. Repeating myself but, all NBA teams are made by drafting, trades, and free agency. They are the only three ways to make a team and none are superior to the other. It’s getting the players, not how you get them that matters.
The difference is that it’s kind of fun to speculate on how NBA teams are made. I can tell you from experience that you most likely do not want to see how movies are made…
It’s the hurry up and wait.
i dont know it seems like we have enough resources devoted to shooting. irving, lebron, love, JR, a little bit of shump, can all shoot the three ball, then you have miller, jones on the bench…..i’d like to see us get a 4th big. i liked the sound of blatche, but hows his defense?
I have never gotten a real “I’m here to contribute however I can because I really want to win” kind of vibe from Blatche. JR had displayed that in the past, especially on good teams, so it’s not a huge surprise to see him step up, but with Blatche I’d be even less confident in his ability to fit into a role… I might just be biased by watching him try to pull off dribble moves from the perimeter in blowout losses on the Nets though. He strikes me like a Boogie Cousins with 1/100th of the talent.
Highly unlikely (nothing is impossible)… but Haywood to Brooklyn for Mason Plumlee works on the trade machine. Mozgov / Plumlee front lines would look like the columns in front of a Vegas hotel.
Haywood for Plumlee would be absolutely amazing. I don’t know if that’s at all possible or why in the world Brooklyn would accept, but heck yea, would be amazing for the Cavs.
Heard Miles is available in Phoenix, but that Mason’s one of the Nets few untouchables. Have to eat a lot of salary to get Mason (so maybe with the Haywood deal next year).
wonder what’d it take to get miles
Wondering the same thing Bimmy. Probably too much, I was wondering why they would even consider letting him go. Smart player, decent size/athleticism, would be a great bench guy.
The only team that will get Miles is the team willing to take back one of Brooklyn’s awful, awful contracts (Williams, Johnson)
Brook Lopez is being made available, but certainly not doable under the cap…
I don’t like his fit on this team. He plays no defense and is another scorer, not really something we need. And at his price tag (I think he makes $15M this year?), no thanks!
Wasn’t advocating for him, just saying he’s available while Plumlee is not…
I agree with this. If you’re going to add somebody, let it be a big who can run and defend. I don’t really see the need for Ray Allen, though he’s a cool guy. JR and Kyrie can get open and hit a 3. Love and Miller can spot up, too. I think it’s important to have some youth on the team. It’s good to have guys with less experience than Kyrie and TT around. You always want a Rookie there to give the vets an outlet. Keep Delly and Joe. Let this team develop before making another move. We… Read more »
Good youth, yes. Just guys like Delly and Joe Harris? Nope. If you can upgrade on those guys you do. Carrying D-leaguers is not a good way to build a roster.
Tell that to Miami.
Hassan Chop!!!!!!
The element in Ray’s game that can’t be overstated is his “Gravity” (to steal a concept from Haberstroh) – he pulls defenders toward him, especially without the ball, which naturally leads to wider passing and driving lanes, slower help, etc. There are other guys that can create a similar effect obviously, but I’m guessing he’s alone at the top of the cost/gravity ratio
That “gravity” also works in the inverse where guys will tend to swarm toward the defenseless Ray Ray when they’re on offense…
Agreed… thought the Finals series last year really exposed Allen’s defensive liability.
How about a 10 day look at Seth Curry? He lights up the D league on a consistent basis, definitely has the pedigree in terms of basketball acumen (several years of starting for Coach K)… I realized he’s undersized, but so is his brother, and even if his ceiling is a better shooting version of Delly, I’d think it’s worth a look.
He already had a couple cups of coffee with the Cavs last year. He’s had a look from 4 teams and hasn’t stuck. Not sure what’s up but seems unlikely he’d return barring some injury to Kyrie.
The big knock seems to be that he’s a little too much Eddie House, and not enough Steph Curry. Good player without the ball, but undersized for the two. Doesn’t have the handle/court vision to run the point in the NBA. I don’t know if this is true anymore, but it’s the knock.
Yeah, if his bro couldn’t keep him employed at GS (and by the way – jeez Stef, even JR could keep his brother on the Knicks for a little while), then I don’t like his chances for sticking with the Cavs again…
Nope. Do not want sucky D-leaguers. We already have Delly and Harris to carry around. We need some veteran shooters who don’t suck. I think Miller will be one once he gets going. He was really good last year and I think come playoff time he’ll have a role to play. We could use a backup PG or Ray Allen.
Is LeBron going to pull the fork out of Miller’s back like King Arthur pulled the sword from the stone?
Miller was good last year. He’s not old enough to suck as badly as he does now. If anything the Heat and Spurs have shown that role players can come from nowhere and matter in the playoffs.
Come playoff time it’s good to have a bunch of shooters becasue you never know who will get hot and who will suck.
No, Miller wasn’t good last year. He just shot well. He’s so bad at defense that it doesn’t matter, though.
Comment of the day!
I agree with Cols on the Ray Allen issue. If nothing else, Ray Allen’s constant movement off the ball would create all kinds of issues with this Cavs lineup — quite honestly, especially for Love in the post on ball side after swinging the ball and having Allen run through Love’s baseline screen. The spacing on that would be outrageous. I’m a HUGE fan of the way JR Smith is playing and shooting within this offense. But, he’s not a movement guy and therefore doesn’t stress a defense like Allen. I think in a mixed lineup of KI, Allen, Smup/Smith,… Read more »
Yeah Ray would stress the opposing defense more than JR, but JR will stress the Cavs defense less than Ray Ray. He wasn’t exactly more than a marginal defender before. Not sure if there’s any D at all there. Couldn’t have him and KLove on the floor together…
I agree with Miller – I think he is a valuable commodity, and having him will come in handy in a very high-leverage situation at some point. I like the idea of Will Bynum for that backup PG role, but the idea of him I have is a couple years old… When he was good he was pesky, strong, fast, and had a pretty reliable handle.
Not a fan of Bynum on this roster. Not a great outside shooter or defender. He’s a guy who scores off the dribble and runs an offense. Not sure Cleveland needs that. He’s barely six foot, can’t shoot threes well, and is 32 years old: three strikes and you’re out.
hahahahahaha fair enough!
Just realized that 6ers game was just three weeks ago. That’s really hard to believe. It seems like another season.
Well… it was in a different year at least…
I thought so too, but it was January 5th! That whole weekend from the 31st to the 5th was just a blur of post Christmas malaise.
Nope. I’ve already convinced myself that it was just part of the 2014 schedule. I don’t care about facts… I’m actively choosing to have selective memory ;)
HAHAHAHA… remember that game vividly, gave them their first home win I believe, smh. And you’re right, it does seem like forever ago!
Sure, no tinkering but shouldn’t we at least fill that open 15th slot?
i am a HUGE delly fan (despite his offensive woes this year), but I think if we just brought on Farmar as a more traditional PG and had both him and Delly as options to backup KI, we’d be in good shape.
I do like Farmar.
I thought you liked Stuckey??
Totally agree with Nate concerning Delly and Joe Harris. I am a die hard Duke fan who has seen Joe Harris a number of times when he was THE player @ UVA. He’s an all-around athletic scorer, who has smarts, and a great shooting stroke. In fact, I think they were willing to part with Waiters so easily because I think Harris can fulfill the 3 and D role better than Waiters ever could. I’m hoping that Blatt will play Harris a bit more as the season goes along… he was getting minutes earlier in the season, but since Blatt… Read more »
To add (sorry), Austin Carr was dead right about Joe Harris when speaking about him earlier in the season. Harris just needs CONFIDENCE. He can play at this level, but he just doesn’t have the confidence yet. I thought he made a big shot or two earlier in the season, perhaps he could see time instead of Jones/Miller because his younger legs might help him on D.
Harris lost a lot of confidence from the coach when he let Wroten go left on him instead of making him go right at the end of the 6ers game. Of course, Delly had some terrible plays at the end of that game, too, so maybe Joe deserves another shot.
Great insight there, Nate. Making guys use the weak hand is fundamental defense… Harris can’t make that mistakes, especially in said game situation. Hoping that Harris does get another shot.
Wroten had made a difficult shot going to his right just a few minutes earlier. Same type of shot. Maybe even more difficult. What can you do? How did he get in the paint in the first place?
Greetings U-Dog! Thanks for the info… I watched that game but was at a friend’s birthday dinner, so details are escaping me. I do recall that Philly wanted that game bad, and that the Cavs were undermanned that game. I think your point speaks to issue of what’s going with Harris. I think it would be nice to develop him with PT through the rest of the season, I really believe he could be the guy that rounds out the 2nd string. Maybe I just have a soft spot for him for his work @ UVA, but my impression is… Read more »
Correction, he averaged 16ppg in his junior season… apologies to all. His FG and 3pt %s were pretty good in college though.
ALso, wanted to give you props Nate for the part in your post about Harris’ D against Korver earlier in the season… definitely remembered that, his hustle on Korver was great to see.
And he just got sent back down to the D-League again today… so maybe confidence at a later date…
HAHAHAHA… dammit!!! Thanks for the info EvilGenius… and the laugh!
BTW, I remember AC/Fred talking about how sending Harris down to the D-League was to get him some game experience, and they claimed that the offense was running through Harris down there. I’m hoping that they just want him to get some reps to prep him for later.
Happy to oblige. On that note, while I think the Cavs App television spot is beyond stupid (what guy let’s his wife/girlfriend just paint over his back with a roller, not to mention a freaking window without so much as a comment), I actually still downloaded it in spite of that. It’s actually pretty useful for instant lineup and roster updates, as well as end of quarter/game scores when you can’t watch…
Thanks again for the info… was wondering about that app. HAHAHA I’m pretty sick of that commerical too!
Well, yeah, but they’re playing him in D-League games the same day as their regular season games.
Wait. No Charge games till Friday. Weird. Wondering if he’s practicing down there and in Cleveland. If he doesn’t travel to Minny, I’ll go see him in Canton on Saturday. I’m betting he travels.
I think sending him to the Charge is just a cover story… That way NOBODY will suspect him when he’s doing what they REALLY planned and pulling fire alarms at the hotel the Blazers are staying at…
HAHA, you’re all about that fire alarm, eh?
Well, it’s the only slightly-legal, non-lethal way to affect the Blazers for Wednesday’s tilt ;)
Hey- hate to be the grammar nazi, but just an editing note- you mean prospective free agents, perspective free agents would be like Michaelangelo, Giotto and Rafael, but tht was a while ago, though they probably would have commanded prettybig money…
Thanks. Edited. I will try to remember this. It’s a mistake that’s so ingrained into so many people’s writing that it’s easy to make by rote. I don’t ever have a problem with someone being a grammar Nazi with me.
Yeah… jeez Nate… from now on keep your prospective word choices in perspective… ;)
Who’s this Giotto character? Does he like pizza and taking it to the Foot Clan?
agree with no more major trades ( unless it is a landside in cavs favor ) still think they need to research d league / oversea’s for serviceable fits / parts —there are bodies / players out there whom I feel in limited roles can be of more help than some of the other bench players coming down the stretch and playoff time
I am convinced Dan Gilbert does not care about how much money he pumps into salary. He’s got his casinos funneling capital over like a damned IV. And God bless him for it.
Oh absolutely. He’ll pay until he’s no longer allowed per league rules. But unless the salary cap explodes it will limit what the Cavs can do.
Good piece Nate! It is tempting to get greedy and want that “last piece of the puzzle” with another big or backup PG or Ray Ray. I’m with you though. Don’t mess with it. There are going to be lots of interesting pieces to look at closer to the trade deadline and after when guys get bought out and sign vet minimums to join contenders. I wouldn’t mind kicking the tires on one or two D-Leaguers on 10-day contracts though. CavsBill posted a good link to Willie (not to be confused with Willis) Reed on yesterday’s thread. Dude can get… Read more »
Good piece. I liked the tone until the Delly comment. People could have valid reasons for not liking Delly especially over other players (I personally think he is useful and cheap).
I agree with not trading a major piece right now. Not because of any streak but it’s clear they have the right players and they are starting to gel. If they are going to add Ray it needs to happen immediately.
Hee. I may have been trolling a bit with that line.
Agree with this on many fronts. The delly lines are understandable on both sides. i prefer to view him as an excellent change of pace guard next to kyrie and lbj. i really am not bothered that he is at his ceiling either. keep the ball hawking defense and if he can hit 40% from 3’s that is to me a 60% 2 pt shooter so no complaints. no question griffin and gilbert are kicking themselves for the andy albatross contract that they really were under no pressure to sign. now lets just hope that the raptors, wizards and hawks… Read more »
I don’t know if they’re kicking themselves all that much. Yes, Andy’s deal makes it a bit tougher/more expensive/restrictive when re-signing guys this summer or working trades for other pieces, but (as someone posted yesterday) an achilles is not the worst thing to come back from. At least it wasn’t a knee or a foot injury. Andy should be in great shape to start next season and should be a beast next to Moz…
And to Nate’s point above about how they treated Z, the deal for Andy was just as much about rewarding him for past efforts as it was for moving forward. Regardless of the injury, it was a great thing to do to send a message about how they’re going to treat guys.
By the way, LOVE the pic of Z in his ZZ Top phase…
Yeah, when I saw that, I had to put it in. I had forgotten about it.
Yeah, and here’s the thing. If Andy is playing like poo or everything falls apart, you just stretch pay him.
That might defeat the warm and fuzzies of doing the deal in the first place… but I guess if things are falling apart, that probably won’t matter…
Ray Allen. Ray Allen. Ray Allen.
/said this into the mirror
And he didn’t appear.
Sucks.
LOL. Thanks for that Cols…