The Point Four-ward: MVP! MVP?
2015-03-04First, if you haven’t read David’s excellent recap of last night’s win over the Celtics, do that first. Then, continue on to—
Four points I’m thinking about the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) All of the MVP talk that sprouted up around James following the Cavs brilliant performance against the Golden State Warriors last Thursday got me to thinking: what is the most number of games a player has missed in a season and still won the NBA’s Most Valuable Player award?
In two games this past week, James came out with guns blazing against the current MVP front-runners, James Harden of the Houston Rockets and Stephen Curry of the Warriors. Against the Warriors, James was magnificent, scoring 42 points on 15-25 shooting in what turned into a relatively easy victory against the team with (at the time) the league’s best record. Against Houston, James shot poorly (15-25 from the floor, 3-11 from the free throw line) but played as spirited and springy on defense as he has in a very long time. Regardless of how it ended, put his team in the position to win a game on the road against one of the league’s best teams without the help of the team’s all-star point guard.
Did James do enough in those two games to convince me that he’s still the game’s best player?
Absolutely. But, between the two, he took off a much more likely win (had he played) against the Pacers to rest his back, which was reportedly giving him problems even before Thursday’s game against Golden State.
In fact, several times this season, James has taken games off to rest one ailment or another. He spoke, even before the season began, about playing fewer minutes and the national media joined that call when it looked like head coach David Blatt was leaning too heavily on a banged-up James early in the season. There was always the assumption that Blatt would strive for a Popovichian model where James and some of the other veteran players would take games off, with respect to how many minutes James has already logged in his basketball career and how many more it might take in trying to bring an elusive championship to Cleveland.
But, in striving to lessen his load during the regular season, was James, in fact, taking himself out of the running for such laurels as a fifth MVP award?
2.) In the past 10 years, the MVP winner has missed an average of just 3.3 games that season. Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett were a perfect 82, while Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant and James (once) missed just a single game. The most games any player missed in his MVP season was seven by Steve Nash in 2004-05.
So far this season, Harden and Curry have both missed one game, while James has missed 11 and Anthony Davis has missed 12. All of those totals will tick up some, even if everyone remains (or, in Davis’ case, gets) healthy. James will likely continue to try to keep his body as fresh as he can for the playoffs and beyond, while Harden and Curry will keep the heat on each other in a much more closely contested Western Conference.
If James ends the season with upwards of 15 games missed, it’s very difficult to see him in the running for a fifth MVP trophy, no matter how deserving he might be.
3.) The return of Kyrie Irving means that the brief stint of Matthew Dellavedova playing a starters minutes (plus) is mercifully at an end.
When news broke that the Cavs would be without Irving for a couple of games, there was some speculation that Blatt would move Iman Shumpert into the starting line-up. That would have made some sense, particularly with a long, quick Houston team slated for Sunday. Instead, Blatt kept Shumpert on the bench to start and opted for Dellavedova, a favorite of the Cavs coaching staff and front office. Over his two starts, Delly played 80 minutes (!!!) and scored 8.5 points per game on 25.9% shooting from the floor (6-22 overall and 3-9 from three). He also chipped in 4.5 assists per game and did manage 10 boards in Friday’s loss to the Pacers.
This is not to bury Dellavedova — though not really to praise him, either. Cavs fans (well, Cols aside) recognize why it is that Blatt went to Dellavedova. Dellavedova plays hard… all the time. He is a pretty good rebounder from that position (I noticed it on Sunday too). There was a time when he would can open threes with something more closely resembling regularity. And the Cavs can win a championship with him as their back-up point guard.
But, that doesn’t mean he is the ideal back-up point guard for a championship team. For a team whose 6-10 players feature only one player who could be considered a consistent offensive option (James Jones), along with one who is a good defender and can score a little (Shumpert), two whose offense you don’t have to think too much about (Dellavedova and Tristan Thompson) and one complete non-factor (Kendrick Perkins), there will be times when the ISO-hungry starters will get fed because… well, what else are they going to do?
Blatt has many specialists on his bench. Players like Thompson, Shumpert and, yes, even Dellavedova can make plays that will help win you some playoff basketball games. There just isn’t much offense there.
4.) It was also curious to see Timofey Mozgov only log 18 minutes against the Rockets. Yes, the Rockets were having success stretching the floor with Donatas Motiejunas (16 points, 2-4 from three), but as the game ground down in OT and James went strictly ISO, you think you’d want to, at least, try out a nimble 7-1 target as your roll man over the 6-9ish Thompson (or, maybe, next to him).
I get it, these are some of the tough choices Blatt has to make. Thompson was playing great, Love was out as a stretch threat, while Mozgov was a team worst -13 for the game. But the Cavs had success early working the ball down low to Mozgov and Love and it would have been nice, with James (deservedly) occupying so much of the defense’s attention, to see the team work for some of those shots late, as well.
@mcten: Dwane Casey says the Raptors plan to deter Dellavedova from playing harassing D is to “knock him on his behind”
…and kick him in the groin?…
No that’s the Rockets plan of attack. The Raptors like to kick players in the man boobs. It must be a Canadian thing.
If they’re worried about Delly…. that’s advantage Cavs!!! HAHA!!! @EG… good one!
Agree if teams are game planning on Delly THAT’s good. He is an impactful player on defense. , Appreciated Ctb article on him last week but poof that’s gone. Lately, I don’t like these negative Delly articles from FTS and now CtB. It’s almost like Delly is the new scape goat to pile on since Dion is gone. Never mind the other dead wood on the bench.
I am an (or perhaps “The”) unapologetic Delly apologist!!! i ride or die with Rudy!
Enjoyed the read, Robert!
I think the reason that Harden may ultimately have the MVP edge over LBJ, besides the fact that LBJ missed some games, is that the Rockets’ other star D12 has only played 32 games this year, and doesn’t look like he’s coming back anytime soon…
As much as I hate to say it, the far end of the bench is a real problem, and Delly’s inability to hit layups (he missed a wide open one last night), is hurting the offense. Smart teams know they can lay off Delly everywhere but the three point line and dare him to beat them. When Bron or Kyrie aren’t on the floor, the offense doesn’t seem to have a plan. In Indy, I would have thought that the plan to run the offense through Kevin Love would be a good one, but he seems to not relish that… Read more »
They could have use Ray Ray. As it is we have the starting 5
Thompson, Shump. Jones.
That’s a solid enough 8 man playoff rotation that we can stretch to 9 with Delly.
Need Mike Miller to be Mike Miller of last year and we are set.
Mike Miller was terrible last year when it came to everything but shooting. And now the shooting is gone. That ship has sailed.
Or something from ‘Trix
Read my post at the end of the previous thread on Miller… It’s pretty unbelievable how much he’s fallen off a cliff this year…
I actually wonder if he’s been a victim of inconsistent playing time, much in the same way as Jones. Jones has been receiving consistent PT for a couple weeks now, and I can see that it has helped him find his rhythm. Perhaps that’s what Miller needs?
Blatt shrunk his rotation during the middle of the season to get some chemistry working for the guys. Maybe now that it’s later in the season, he can try to expand the rotation to a solid 10 every game.
I don’t know about that… he was getting pretty consistent playing time in the first half of the season… It’s only been in the last six weeks or so (pretty much since the trades) that his role has been minimalized. He wasn’t exactly lighting it up when he got more minutes. The Champ is the inverse, where he didn’t get much playing time early in the season (until LBJ took the fortnight off), but now is playing well (he’s 13-25 from three since the ASB). I also don’t understand why Miller can’t find ways to go off against the other… Read more »
Well, to your point about when Miller’s minutes have come… I’d say it’s hard to assess what his performance would be now with the roster the way it is. Earlier in the year, he was asked to be a starter/primary bench guy when the roster wasn’t nearly as strong. Of course he wasn’t lighting it up during the beginning of the season… the Cavs were essentially a .500 team for the first 40 games of the year. Now that he would be the 9th/10th/11th guy off the bench, why not make sure he receives 5-10 minutes every night, let him… Read more »
I agree, but I think it’s what James Jones showed when he filled in for KLove in the game against the Bulls before the ASG (when he was forced to play 30 minutes and try to guard Taj Gibson) that led to Blatt expanding his role. The Champ actually contributed and started to hit shots, so Blatt increased his minutes and he’s responded. Miller played 12 minutes last night of pure garbage time… and only took one shot. He was a complete non-factor out there. Heck, even Perk took 7 shots… He also played 13 minutes in the Indy game… Read more »
Definitely… re: Jones and the Bulls game, which is funny because I remember several posts complaining about that move HAHA!!!
You’re right… but again, that’s only two games of 20-25 with the new roster. I’d prefer to see a larger sample size with the new roster.
Since the trades went down… he’s played: 27 minutes against Houston and went 2-4 20 minutes against Golden State and went 0-3 25 minutes against Sacramento and went 1-3 8 minutes against Phoenix and went 0-1 11 minutes against the Clippers and went 0-4 12 minutes against Charlotte and went 1-4 10 minutes against Portland and went 1-1 8 minutes against Minnesota and went 0-0 13 minutes against Clippers and went 0-5 8 minutes against Washington and went 0-1 13 minutes against Indy and went 0-2 12 minutes against Boston and went 0-1 That seems like a pretty decent sample… Read more »
Actually, that evidence proves my point that it’s inconsistent PT. That’s only half the games. My suggestion was every game, 5-10 minutes.
But going 5-29 in the games where he has received 8-20 minutes of PT doesn’t exactly inspire confidence to earn him additional PT. Chicken or egg… lol
Totally EG! HAHA… my the only justification I’ve made for my case was the example of Jones… I have nothing else to go on HAHA!
But, in my defense, since it seems to have worked for Jonesy, why not Miller? Make him earn that fat check!
I think it’s about Delly’s confidence, as you mentioned in a prior thread. I’ve seen it growing. He definitely needs more work, and he’s receiving it as the season has gone along. I think it will be Shumpert and Jones who carries the load offensively for the 2nd team. TT has also showed some signs of a jump hook shot in the low post… or at least some efficient scoring around the rim. It seems like TT can score when he knows he’s going against a back up. I think the big IF is Matrix. He’s looked good in spurts… Read more »
I am re-posting my Delly Haiku here because I am proud of it, and it sort of fits into this thread:
Delly has a role;
Don’t ask him to stray from it
Or bad things happen
Dellavedova,
Love or hate, he tries and treys,
Rudy can’t fail, right?
This article makes me depressed. https://cavstheblog.com//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////?p=20231
I remember that one! I enjoyed that (and not just because I’m a huge Clash-head). Gobert would have been a really nice fit on this team…
Gumdrop Bear: worst number one pick ever.
Chris Grant really was the worst at drafting and signing players ever.
Two out of four in the first round and that’s about it. No one in the second round Yeah, he was pretty bad.
Chris Grant also the GM when LBJ left for Miami and heard about some clownish presentation that he made to appeal to LBJ. At least the Cavs made a change.
Gumdrop Bear: Best C:tB nickname ever
I think the haiku
has really elevated
the conversation!
Isn’t it too late now to add anyone and still have them be on the playoff roster? I thought the cut off was March 1?
Delly is rushing his shot. He seemed so quick in hos stroke from the three last night. If he can really work on his little floater he’ll be fine. Teams are starting to play it a little more when he throws the lobs to TT and Moz down the lane. This should eventually free space around the rim for him.
I’m still disappointed the team won’t let Love run the second line Andy style from the foul line. That seems ideal if you don’t want to make Delly dribble a ton and let LeBron and Kyrie rest.
Great point DW re: Delly. He is definitely rushing (product of youth/lack of experience is my guess). And if he can develop that floater shot, for which he does have the touch, then he will be a GREAT back up for years to come. And also on the money with the lobs last night… since he’s been more aggressive with his shot, it opened up the lob BIG TIME last night. Also agree with letting Love run with the 2nd team. It seems that it would fit like a glove. Delly’s more than willing to pass the ball to initiate… Read more »
No. Players that are on rosters and then waived after march first are not eligible for the playoffs. But players that are free agents and have been so since march 1st or before are eligible. I don’t think playoff rosters are set till right before the playoffs start.
Got it. I always get tripped up on the vagaries of the NBA playoff eligibility rules… Thanks for clearing up.
This may be an unpopular sentiment, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Nate Robinson on this team as our third PG. He certainly added some spark to the Bulls in the playoffs last year. He can’t really play D, but he can handle the rock and can still go into “SuperNate” stretches of sub-fuego…
I realize Cavs would have to part ways with someone (Harris most likely) if they did this, so that’s probably why it would be an unpopular move…
The Nate Robinson idea is a good one… except it should be Haywood that’s expendable. I would bet heavily that Harris a guy they’re going to keep and develop and eventually replace Jones/Miller with. Haywood’s very expendable now with Perkins on board, but the contract is preventing it from happening.
Except that Haywood’s contract is not expendable… That’s still a pretty significant piece that the Cavs can use to add someone in the summer… I know you love you some Joe H, but he just hasn’t shown me much in my opinion. Doubt he plays a minute of playoff basketball for this team this year (unless it’s garbage time). Cavs still need someone who can be a scoring punch and can handle the ball. Nate can do both things, especially in a third-string PG role… I think you may be right that Joe could develop into a decent three point… Read more »
Agreed, Haywood’s contract is not expendable, but he most certainly is… as I said in the prior post. Selling the farm for now doesn’t seem to be the plan the Cavs’ front office nor LBJ have in mind. I think that’s the primary reason why Delly and Harris are still on the team. Personally I’m glad, because it shows a vision for long-term (meaning, next 3-5 years of LBJ’s prime) success. In fact, a myopic vision of the future is what seemed to have doomed the Cavs the first time around with LBJ. I have oft repeated what AC has… Read more »
Yes, but you can’t get rid of the player and keep the contract. I respectfully disagree with you on the value of Joe H. I don’t dislike him or his potential, but I certainly wouldn’t call cutting him “selling the farm.” I have faith in Griff that he could easily replace either Harris, or Delly for that matter, with free agents, vets on minimum contracts or future picks. What doomed the Cavs the first time around was their choices of “talent” to surround LBJ with. Mo Williams was probably the best player they brought in… and while he’s a good… Read more »
Well, obviously! HAHAHA… I’m never said that’s what ought to be done… I’m just merely offering an opinion as to why they didn’t move Delly or Harris. I think the reason why they haven’t moved on from Harris or Delly is that they in fact HAVE something to contribute, now and in the future. Harris was a top 2nd round pick… to cut him without receiving anything in return or signing an old vet on the downward trajectory of his career would seem hasty. That’s fine if you object to my metaphor of “selling the farm”…. I think constantly trading… Read more »
Well said EG. Joe Harris’s of the world are pretty easy to come by. He’d be the one to go for a real backup guard.
And already this team is loaded for the next 4-6 years.
All I meant was that Haywood, while he should be the most expendable, isn’t going anywhere. Nor is Mike Miller who I would gladly see go over Joe H, but that’s not happening either because of LBJ. I actually think the only reason that Griff hasn’t made a move, is because he would’ve needed that spot for Ray Allen if he had decided to join the team for the playoff run. LBJ was recruiting him hard and I would have bet a lot of money that Joe would have been the one to go if Ray had decided to come… Read more »
HAHA… I got ya, just seemed like you may have misunderstood what I was saying! Totally agree… unfortunate to what has happened with Miller’s game. While you (and Nate) correctly mentioned Joe’s numbers in the D-League… I think the NBA numbers are more relevant to what he can do in the NBA. Perhaps you’re right, re: Ray Allen… and definitely him and Harris are in the same role. I guess, for me, you can count me extremely grateful that the reality is that Harris is on the squad HAHA! I just think it’s a little too impatient to give up… Read more »
@WojYahooNBA: Ray Allen will sit out the season, agent Jim Tanner says. @_tandemse
Cols is gonna rage!
Not surprising… got to be hard to get excited about the rigors of playing basketball when you’re pushing 40… Ray Ray still got a couple of rings. Interesting that he made it official right after LBJ passed him on the all-time scoring list…
I’m hopeful that Delly’s little stint as a starter will be the one step back that leads to two-steps forward. Without any actual information, I think the thinking was a follows: With Kyrie out, keep everyone in their usual roles, as we currently have them. Everyone except Delly. Swap the kid in there and see how he responds. Tell him to attack more and don’t be afraid to shoot off the dribble. This sends two messages to the team: 1) You know your role. We are not going to panic and change it because of a minor injury. 2) Effort… Read more »
Davis will not win the MVP next year unless his team massively improves and James/Harden/Durant/Curry massively decline.
I really enjoyed this quote from Lebron that’s floating around today: “I can shoot wherever. I can take any shot and be effective. I can go midrange, I can go in the post, I can go shoot 3s. What’s better for our team is when I’m attacking… and getting my guys opportunities. But when I’m flowing it doesn’t matter.” That is an factual statement. Having a guy on your team who can accurately describe himself like this is an extreme competitive advantage. This is why every Le-Iso is so much more valuable than your regular, run of the mill Isolation… Read more »
Yep. He’s great. I think he’s actually still underrated.
Love it! It is is simple for me, I would rather have Lebron than Harden, Curry, Westbrook, or Davis. And every other fan would too if they wanted to be honest with themselves. Let harden and curry duke it out for MVP while we continue to get better and then see who is the mvp of the finals!
Great read Robert, thanks. I agree with the desire to see some post up points in the closing minutes and they still had the personsel but well we know what happened.
Not for long with you on the loose.
The problem is that LeBron often thinks he’s “flowing” when he’s not. Like the game where he took two 30 footers in a row to try to bring the team back. LeBron’s fine. His confidence is an advantage, but it’s also a disadvantage at times. It makes him foolhardy.
His confidence is part of what makes him great. Can’t take that away.
I couldn’t agree less. “This is why every Le-Iso is so much more valuable than your regular, run of the mill Isolation play, regardless of outcome.” Regardless of outcome? Outcome is the only thing that matters. Does Le-Iso give the Cavs the best chance to score? On certain broken possessions or run-out the clock scenarios, an argument can be made. But those are few and far between. The vast majority of the time, it is much smarter to get the ball moving and run some sets. As far as isolation plays/players go, sure, Le-Iso is in the top 5, but… Read more »
LeBron is still the best player in the NBA, but he won’t win MVP because he’s missed too many games. He is easily the MVP though. Both Cavs and Heat suck when we is out.
1) I don’t think LeBron can win the MVP this year. He could average 30/8/7 the rest of the way and they’d still give it to Harden. The early season missed games, as you pointed out, took him out of the running early. When he clamped down on Harden in the 4th Q on a few possession, LeBron showed that he’s still leaps ahead of Harden as a player. But Harden is at the point in his career where he’s gunning for the MVP. 2) Agreed 3) Delly is valuable as a player, but he’s only valuable when his minutes… Read more »