3-on-3: Grind or Go Home Edition
2015-06-16 Off By David Wood1. What is the most important adjustment for the Cavs to make going into a must win game six?
Tom Pestak: They need to have enough energy to finish the game. The Cavs played well again for three quarters and fizzled out in the 4th. Each time fatigue has been an issue. There are no solutions, just compromises. I think the Cavs need to abandon matching the Warriors’ small-ball-at-all-costs and let Mozgov get in a groove. Just as LeBron was unstoppable in the deep post, Mozgov will manufacture many high-percentage looks too. The key will be having someone cutting hard off ball when Golden State counters with the double teams. He’s the most fresh of the rotation players. They might as well play Mike Miller some more too, since the Cavs didn’t get obliterated with him on the court in game 5. The Cavs should also go to hack an Iggy periodically to 1.) get rest, 2.) stay ahead of the 3-point avalanches. Really, they need to remain mentally focused for 48 minutes. They can’t overreact to a contested Barbosa 3 here or a few Iggy 3s there. When it comes to the scouting report, “stay on target”.
Ben Werth: The Cavaliers must get back to their real identity. I understand that the small ball lineup has been pretty decent against the Warriors’ small unit. I get that Kerr forced Blatt’s hand by placing Iggy in the starting lineup. Still, the Cavs must completely dominate the boards from now on if they want to take the championship. There must be a happy medium for Timofey Mozgov. Sometimes over-adjusting is as bad as under-adjusting. If the general consensus is that the Cavs were simply too tired to hit their open shots in Game 4, why go so far away from that game plan in Game 5? Maybe a steady diet of Mozzy in the paint with a sprinkle of some reliable 3-ball accuracy is the answer. LeBron’s post work in Game 5 was a thing of beauty, but to expect him to be the primary rim protector as well is too much. Let’s beat’em with size.
David Wood: The Cavs need to have a more balanced game on both ends of the floor. Defensively, David Blatt has sold out by hedging hard on Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson pick and rolls to make role players like Draymond Green, Iggy, and Harrison Barnes beat them. Those three role guys have showed up and really made the Cavs pay in game 5. They scored a combined 38 points on 12-27 shooting. And, even when executing the stop the Splash Bros plan, Curry still scored 37 points by himself. Blatt should reverse course on defense and eliminate the open shots for the role guys. Curry and Thompson have to close a finals series out on the road tonight. I’m willing to bet on them choking because I have no other idea how to slow the Warriors. Offensively, the Cavs need to return to the “balanced” offense they had in games 2 and 3. In those games, the King posted up and guys cut off the ball to make the Warriors play defense on all five players. In game 5, the Cavs started out many possessions passing the ball around looking for an open shot before giving the ball to LeBron with just seconds left to shoot. LeBron needs to intiate the offense and have the longest chance possible to make an efficient shot for himself or to create one for someone else. I understand this offense tires out the King and may make his lapses on defense even more frequent, but I know no other solution. It’s time to really focus on that hidden motivation, LeBron.
2. Are the Warriors beating the Cavs or are the Cavs beating themselves?
Ben: I would have to say both. The referees are also making a sizable contribution. I am so tired of watching the Warriors get away with holding. The Dubs are smart to do it as long as the refs aren’t calling it, but it has gotten completely out of hand. Every time a guy tries to go around a pick, he is having his hand grabbed. Almost every Curry 3 that has come off screen action has featured an illegal screen of some sort. As Nate rightly pointed out in his great game five recap, maybe the Cavs need to simply play that way as well. But, how can they if the much lighter Warriors players fall down in a breeze?
It is hard to watch Cavaliers games of this magnitude without a strong Cleveland bias. No matter how hard I try to be objective, I recognize that it is futile. With that caveat aside, the Cavs are getting hosed, and it is awful. Kudos to Kerr and the Warriors for taking advantage. I suppose the answer to the question must be a sigh inducing “Warriors are beating the Cavs.”
David: The Cavs are surely beating themselves right now. Every game has been close in the final minutes. However, over the course of the game, the good guys have managed to forget to do the little things that have made the games close in the first place just the right amount of times to blow wins. The Cavs are boxing out, eliminating Curry dagger shots, and pushing the LeBronfense down the Warriors’ throats 87% of the time. The 13% of the time they aren’t doing those the the Warriors have dominated them. In the final five minutes of game 5, Golden State had four offensive boards because the Cavs forgot to box out. That killed any comeback attempt. Furthermore, the Cavs have been giving up at least two quasi fast breaks off made baskets from being lazy getting back. The Cavs are tired both mentally and physcially, so I can forgive some lapses. However, I can’t forgive the lapses where they are stupidly wasting energy. If they want to mess up, I want them to do it to the max. If Iggy leaks out for a fastbreak, stop completely. Don’t waste any energy attempting to sprint back. If Draymond is open for a 3-pointer/the approved game plan shot, don’t waste energy closing out. Be lazy efficiently.
Tom: The Warriors are outlasting the Cavs. If the officiating seems blatantly anti-Cleveland (as it has in almost every game), that’s partly because the Cavs margin for error is so miniscule. The Warriors have MVP Steph Curry being held at bay just waiting to unleash at any moment. Also, Klay Thompson. Also, Andre Iguodala. And, sometimes David Lee. It’s an embarrassment of riches. The Cavs are doing so much right – controlling the pace, locking down in the half-court, and staying calm under pressure, which makes it so hard to watch them lose three games in the final moments due to fatigue/lack of focus/bad calls. Give GSW credit, they’ve played the long game here and have gotten significant contributions from Shaun Livingston, Leandro Barbosa, Iggy, and David Lee, which is the poison you have to live with when defending Curry and Thompson this way. It does bother me that the Warriors have forced David Blatt’s hand into keeping Mozgov on the bench. That is one advantage the Cavs have, and they are unable/unwilling to leverage it. Imagine the Cavs’ small-ball lineup with Kevin Love at the 5. It’s frustrating.
3. Who is the most important player for each team going into game six not named LeBron James or Stephen Curry?
David: The Cavs need the J.R. Smith game. They have had a J.R. half, and it was a thing of beauty, lots of 3s and bravado. If J.R. can generate enough offense for LeBron to rest a few more minutes this game, the King might have just enough energy to throw the other six rotation players on his back for a close win. The Warriors need Harrison Barnes to show what he’s made of. Now that Iggy has the job of covering the best player in the world, Barnes should use his extra energy on the offensive end. He scored just eight points last game. A 20 point Barnes game would almost guarantee the Warriors a win and a title.
Tom: Who knows for the Cavs. They just need someone to step up and hit some outside shots. For the Warriors, it’s Iguodala. He alone (with the help of the resurrection of the hand check) can slow LeBron in isolation, and he’s really kept the Warriors in a lot of these games with his momentum-altering, one-man fast breaks. Curry is a generational shooter and has really put a lot of work into being a great all-around player. But for those saying “he makes the Warriors,” I would argue that in these playoffs he’s been very fortunate: injures to Jrue Holiday, Mike Conley/Tony Allen, Patrick Beverly, and now Kyrie Irving have significantly limited the amount of effort he’s had to summon. The Warriors are getting it done without him for long stretches of the game, and he’s right there to don the cape when everyone else is at the point of exhaustion.
Ben: Mathew Dellavedova. Delly must hit at least four 3s for the Cavs to have a chance. Despite Curry’s big shooting night in Game 5, Delly certainly showed a bounce in his step after a low energy Game 4. His defense was solid as ever. It might have even been his best one-on-one defensive game. And, it wasn’t enough. He must consistently drain the wide open 3s that the Warriors are happy to give him. Until he starts punishing them for sagging under the screen, the Warriors will continue to sink into the paint off any pick and roll action. GS is eliminating Delly’s lob and floater game by forcing him to either shoot outside or crash into a mix of bodies. Yes, the Cavs are asking Delly to do much. No one expected Mathew Dellavedova to be the secondary ball-handler and creator on a Finals team. Yet, here we are. If Delly can’t come up huge, the Cavs are in trouble.
Andre Iguodala. What a season for the one-time All-Star. After being relegated to a bench role the whole year, he has emerged as the most valuable Warrior thus far in the series. We have covered his defensive importance against LeBron at length. His strength and uncanny ability to time travel to the handcheck era has been the only thing preventing LeBron from dropping 50 every night. On the offensive end, Blatt continues to dare Iggy to shoot from the outside. Iguodala hasn’t exactly scorched the nets(especially from the foul-line), but he has knocked down enough momentum 3s to swing games. His ability to score in transition as the Cavs scramble to find their defensive assignments has also been huge for the Dubs. Iguodala played primarily at the four during his very successful run with Team USA. His ability to play bigger than his size allows Golden State to push their small ball unit even more. Game 6 will be largely decided by who hits more wide open threes. Iggy or Delly.
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Live Thread is up…
Here’s my less than two cents–and I’m purposely highlighting secondary stuff.
Primary stuff:
Win the rebound war
Hit your jump shot
Secondary stuff:
No more 24 second violations!
Off ball, keep moving
Run at Curry
Slap the holds away
Use your bench to hack some at the end of quarters
Cut like you’re trying to save the planet from being hit by a comet
Don’t forget Klay can explode too
Delly: don’t shoot unless you are getting the third or fourth pass in the set
Tertiary stuff:
Play superlong for 30 seconds: Marion, TT, TMoz, Harris, and Perkins covers Curry
@ByTimReynolds: So far in this postseason:
Stephen Curry has 569 points. LeBron James has 569 points.
Steph’s plus-minus is +83. LeBron’s plus-minus is +83.
Griffin’s gotta do something this offseason about the depth of this team. Having five washed up old has-beens is not going to cut it next year. The young guys are experienced now and don’t constantly need someone in their ear. The young guys know now what it takes to win.
We need depth. You have to be 10-11 deep now to win.
We ARE 10 deep. We’re playing a 7-man rotation now. Add in Varejao, Love, and Irving, and that’s 10. Even if you’re gonna say that Andy is injury-prone, the injuries to Kyrie and KLove in the post-season were both freak accidents. You can’t blame David Griffin for that.
What?! Depth? We lost three starters to season Enders. If he adds different players it wouldn’t make up for that loss if it happened again next year. The Warriors will lose their insane depth at some point soon too unless everyone takes pay cuts to play there.
This is true. You guys are right. I just wish we had young athletic wing defenders who can hit threes to back up Lebron.
Justin Anderson in the draft seems like a possibility.
But yea, you guys are right. Just my frustrations……
Isn’t the ability of a team to play competitively in the finals when top talent goes down th sign of depth?
@Grantland33: Sorry, Steph: LeBron Is Bruce Willis and the Warriors Are the Asteroid, by @SheaSerrano http://t.co/rdRHedEZ2w
I have a feeling tonight will be insane. Lebron WILL get 50 points OR 17 assists. Cavs are the wounded animal again…
@Deadspin: FUNBAG! How to hate Steph Curry: http://t.co/JBAWJiMrBF
Someone is asking for $1 billion per seat at the Q for tonight’s game. Posted link but eaten by monster.
Your posts get eaten when they have more than one link in them. Try posting again with just the one link…
There should have been only one link.
See, there’s two http’s…
Yeah it was a mistake. I meant to only include one but somehow it listed two links.
I approved.
@PDcavsinsider: Someone is asking for $1 billion per seat at @theqarena for the @cavs #NBAFinals Game 6: http://t.co/0hlRLL34oJ http://t.co/t1wQy4rViN
Just hit open jumpers, defend and rebound.
Man I’m pumped for tonight. Wish I were in Cleveland. All the bars in DC are wizards fans who cheer wildly for the dubs and I can’t take another night of that. I definitely love Corey’s suggestion that perk crack his fists at the scorers table, but I think he should actually just take up residence there. His new seat is there. He meets every Warriors player subbing in and gives them the angry smurf stare. Kerr will never know when he actually will enter the game. Curry HAS to work on defense. He has to. That was kyrie’s upside… Read more »
One of the reasons the Warriors don’t get called for holding is that the Cavs aren’t cutting hard. They’re coming off screens half-heartedly. I saw a play in game five where lebron had a wide open path to the basket with no one behind him if he just cut on a screen-roll. He settled for post-up position. Similarly, Cavs aren’t coming off screens (aside from LeBron with ball-screens) looking to attack. They’re coming off them soft and it’s much harder to spot a hold in that situation. Also, the Cavs need to be quick with their hands, and if someone… Read more »
I agree but at the same time I think that the Cavs need to find a way to make Curry guard someone and to me is even more important that the Cavs find a way to run him into some hard screens like they have been doing with Shumpert and JR.
IMO the Cavs need to make him work at the defensive end somehow.
I think we all know that the cavs don’t have the option to run new sets on either end without suffering breakdowns. The warriors are outstanding on both ends and require the kind of execution that comes from game mileage to overcome them. The cavs have done some things that have been effective for a while, e.g. guarding only the splash bros and the rim. That is no longer going to be enough. If the warriors continue to grind the cavs down running them through screens, Curry will eventually find daylight. It is very clear to me at the games.… Read more »
Scott Foster to referee Game 6 of NBA Finals; road team has won his last 11 games:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/16/scott-foster-to-referee-game-6-of-nba-finals-road-team-has-won-his-last-11-games/
Also, Machine Gun Kelly got power bombed last night off of the stage at The Q. Possibly, a good omen for tonight.
https://youtu.be/4GjFOW_UuJg?t=25s
If we lose this series, it will not be because of the officiating. Tired of all the ref bashing. We need to get back to what worked in the early portion of the series and be ready with counter-moves to the adjustments Kerr and his staff have made. It won’t be easy, but we can still win this thing!!!
I’m in this camp as well, for the most part. I think the verticality calls have been ok, and when the Cavs haven’t gotten the calls its mostly because they were drifting forwards or sideways and not going straight up. The main exception was the call on LeBron where he went up with one hand. I think if he goes up with 2 he gets the call. The screens and shirt grabs are more of a problem and I wish the refs would get a better handle on it. And of course LeBron routinely takes contact that would be a… Read more »
yes. I mean, we are only losing because we lost 2 of our best 3 players.
However, if the NBA is transitioning to this motion heavy pace and space stuff poplularized by the Heat, they have to start calling moving screens, holds, and the like. Otherwise we are kind of watching football blocks on a basketball court with holding too.
I agree, it’s not primarily the refs. The real reason we are struggling is because we are playing primarily only 7 players. They are gassed because Blatt has decided to avoid using his bench to ease the load. Sorry to keep mentioning that point. GS has even openly said that their strategy is to just wear us down.
You have some good points, but the ref’s have been totally biased. Game 1 was given away. Without the OT, KI would not have gotten hurt, and the Cavs win in four. LeBron is hammered constantly with only a couple fouls called, so he is too beat up to finish strong. Meanwhile, the Dubs get phantom and touch fouls called. Why no Flagrants called on Green? The one on JR would have been about the tenth best one for Green. What about getting LeBron in foul trouble in Game 5? He gets four fouls, while only about four are called… Read more »
I’d like to see Perk gently punch his left hand with his right with a menacing grin at the scorers table, just to see if Kerr will sub out the gems.
The problem with the officiating is that the Cavs are a much tougher team. So they don’t fall down and fight through all the hand checking and grabbing and illegal screens.
The Warriors, not so much. So it looks like the Cavs are fouling when in reality it’s because the Warriors are falling down and being a bunch of wusses.
HAHA. So true.
One of the strange thoughts running through my head today: imagine if the Indians had won Game 7 in 1997, or Byner didn’t fumble and the Browns won the SuperBowl in 87-88. In that world, LeBron may never have come back to Cleveland. In other words, if we are to believe that LeBron is driven to end the Cleveland drought (which I believe he is), its fascinating to think about what decisions he would have made differently if there was no drought. So if you believe in fate (which I don’t really – except in Cleveland sports), then all of… Read more »
Fun thoughts though! I’m losing it in anticipation over this game as well.
You know what Game 6 needs? More Holtkamp…
I’ve been thinking the same thing! Nice picture.
I was thinking the same thing today.
Great points Ben! I feel like a whiny fan but I do believe we are getting hosed by the referees. Maybe I’m not being objective at all? I’m tired of radio personalities telling me that the refs aren’t deciding these games. Oh yeah, how do you know that? It seems like a standard response to any fan who complains about the officiating. I suppose if I were a Dubs fan I would agree with the talking heads. One thing I’d like to see is consistency. I hate how each crew officiates the game differently, where different rules apply. I guess… Read more »
One thing I’ve had a problem with W/R to officiating is that they have decided that the “Rule of Versatility” no longer applies. In the first 3 games this rule applied. The last two games it did not apply, so Draymond Green is now allowed to charge to the hoop and throw his body into Mozgov and it is somehow a foul on Moz. I think this is part of the reason why Mozgov isn’t as effective. I don’t know if it is accurate or not but I heard that Kerr and the Warriors sent a tape to the officiating… Read more »
“Sent a tape to the NBA complaining about the officiating”
Random thoughts: One of the things that has been tough for the Cavs is that Kyrie’s injury negated the week of preparation they had. Given the effort needed, they just haven’t been able to practice enough to put in adjustments, and so you’re seeing too many uncharacteristic blown switches. I want to see Moz in the game in the fourth quarter cutting down the lane and cramming the ball over the heads of the tired defense. I think this will be the lowest scoring game of the series. Never give up, never surrender. To echo earlier blogs, LeBron has clearly… Read more »
Rick Kamla is back on 92.3 talking about the basketball gods are against Cleveland. Lol!
Rick Kamla is a joke…
But he’s a NICE Ugandan Headhunter!
Great discourse. What amazes me about this series is how different is has looked throughout. In game one it was Speights who killed the Cavs. Has he even seen the floor since game two? Then the Cavs dominate for two full games before everyone collapses in exhaustion. Kerr goes small and the media engorges with blood. What will define game six? Will the Cavs win it all in a game seven? I feel like we need Stan Lee’s cliffhanger narration — this is most certainly a super hero tale.
My answer to 1 and 3: I think Moz needs to play and be a factor. Moz would slow the pace because Kerr would have to plug in a bigger body eventually. Two if TT were on the floor at the same time. Small ball for the Cavs only works if GSWs secondary players aren’t shooting well. Iggy and Green are now feeling it. They can cut around screens and get to the hoop with no big man in position down low. Time to grind them down. I’ll take Lee, Bogut, Festus, or Green trying to create something up top… Read more »