The Point Four-ward: Drafting Days Are Here Again
2015-06-24
Four points I’m thinking about the Cleveland Cavaliers in advance of the 2015 NBA Draft this Thursday, June 25.
1.) It’s been a while since I’ve thought this little about the NBA Draft. I can track my draft fascination all the way back to the mid-90s when I’d anxiously wait for my primer — Chris Monter’s Draft News — to arrive as a cheaply Xeroxed-and-stapled hard copy in the actual, physical mail before deciding on a relative pecking order based on the virtues of players like Todd Fuller, Samaki Walker and John Wallace… only to watch as the Cavs drafted Ukrainian train-like big Vitaly Potapenko who — and I want to be perfectly clear about this — I had ranked below not only the previously mentioned troika of below-average big men but also a fiesty lead guard from Santa Clara named Steve Nash…
… who, of course, I’d never seen play. But, hey, Monter seemed pretty high on him, so why not?
Bad Cavs teams made sure that the Draft was the crown jewel of my personal NBA calendar and, even after the Cavs drafted LeBron James, the relative dearth of Good Cavs teams picks in the years following (Thank you, Mssrs. Paxson and Welsch!), along with the increasing need to find someone… anyone… who the team could develop alongside James kept the pressure on Draft night, even as the Cavs were playing deeper and deeper into the playoffs.
Then there were more Bad Cavs teams. So, to every thing turn, turn, turn.
This year, the Draft has remained deliriously inconsequential as the Cavs, fresh off a run that got them within two wins of the franchise’s first NBA Championship, have James and a nice complement of relatively young players in Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson and (fingers crossed) Kevin Love. Sure, the salary cap’s about to be a mess, but this team’s problems are no longer ones that the Draft will likely solve.
2.) But, still, draft we must, so let’s look at some of the players the Cavs will likely be looking at when they pick at numbers 24 and 53 on Thursday night at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, NY.
The Cleveland Plain Dealer‘s Terry Pluto recently wrote about liking Virginia’s Justin Anderson and I have to agree. At 6-6, Anderson has the size, athleticism and, most importantly, the shooting to imagine him eventually being able to both spell James and play alongside him. Anderson has a nearly 7 foot wingspan, already sports a chiseled frame and shot 45.2% from three this past season. While his ceiling seems to be high-level role player, the type of role he is capable of filling — being a threat at the rim as well as from deep, while also projecting as a decent defender — is exactly what the Cavs should be looking for in this draft. Plus, you know, it’ll give fellow Virginia alum Joe Harris a buddy on the bench.
Other wings currently under the Cavs microscope include Georgia State’s R.J. Hunter, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson from Arizona and UNLV’s Rashad Vaughn. Hollis-Jefferson projects mostly as a defender, but Hunter and Vaughn both bring some big-time shooting to the table. With Hunter likely off the board by the 24th pick, the Cavs could have their pick between Anderson and Vaughn. Vaughn is the more versatile scorer, while Anderson is bigger and more athletic.
The Cavs could also look to fill their third point guard spot in this draft as Utah’s Delon Wright, Notre Dame’s Jerian Grant and Louiville’s Terry Rozier (Cleveland’s own!) could all be available at 24. All of these guards bring good things to the table, but I expect the Cavs to troll through the bargain bin of NBA veteran point men to fill that spot.
3.) Some intriguing bigs are also projected to be available around the Cavs pick. These include UCLA power forward Kevon Looney, LSU combo big Jarell Martin and Louisville’s bundle of energy Montrezl Harrell. At 6-9, Looney projects as a sturdy defender and rebounder who has stretch-four potential down the line. Martin offers nice size (6-9.25 in shoes) for a player projected to see time at both forward spots. He was an excellent rebounder in college (9.2 per game) but doesn’t seem to have the necessary shooting the Cavs will, no doubt, be looking for (just 26.9% from three).
Harrell is the biggest name of these three and there’s plenty to like in his game. He was essentially the NCAA version of what Tristan Thompson blossomed into during the Cavs playoff run: a dogged defender and rebounder who gets his points from a motor that will not quit. Harrell’s similarities with Thompson don’t stop there, though. They also share an agent in Rich Paul. Will the KLUTCH mafia weave its way into the Cavs draft room? We’ll just have to wait and see.
The big thing to remember about big men in the NBA: they take time to develop. So, while it’s unlikely the Cavs will choose a player on Thursday who they think will crack their rotation in 2015-16, teams can expect a more immediate return from a wing — especially a wing who can shoot — than a big who will experience a much steeper learning curve once in the league.
Cavs fans need look no further than Thompson for evidence of this.
4.) Championship-caliber teams rarely have the space on their bench for multiple rookies, so it would be a shock that whoever the Cavs select with the 53rd pick — should they even wind up making that pick — will end up breaking camp wearing wine and gold.
Clearly, the most tried-and-true option here is to draft a foreign player with some upside and let him continue to play overseas for, at least, a couple more seasons. I’ll let CtB’s resident Euro Guru, Ben Werth, weigh in on that:
“Turkish wing, Cedi Osman has been mostly projected as a mid to late second round pick. Though his 2014-2015 counting numbers were rather pedestrian with powerhouse, Anadolu Efes Istanbul in the Turkish league, the 6’8″ 20 year old displayed his frenetic energy on a nightly basis. Osman is most easily described as a pleasant mix between Mathew Dellavedova and Chandler Parsons. Like Parsons, Osman is a terror in transition. He times his steps very well at full speed while maintaining good balance for a variety of finishes. His solid rebounding and handle let him start or end the break with equal skill. Like Delly, he plays with top energy at all times showing a good understanding of weakside positional help off ball, and a good chest up technique on ball. On the flip side, his jumper is as streaky as his two NBA counterparts and he gets caught in between on dribble drives. Still, he is first round talent that needs strength and seasoning. It will likely be at least one or two seasons before Osman even considers making the trip to America. That is the only reason why the Cavs would have a realistic shot at snagging him so late. If he is anywhere near their pick, the Cavs should grab him.”
Thanks, Ben.
Of the US-born players, I have a soft spot when it comes to Larry Nance Jr. Nance is a 6-9 power forward out of Wyoming and, more importantly, the son of Cavaliers great Larry Nance Sr. The younger Nance is not his father’s son on the basketball court, but an athletic, mobile big isn’t the worst thing to take a flyer on.
Also, while he’ll probably be gone by 54, I really like Tennessee’s Josh Richardson. Richardson, a 6-6 shooting guard, was forced to play a lot of point for the Volunteers this year. As such, Richardson, who had played a mostly reserve role prior to this season, showed promise as a creator (3.6 assists per game) as well as a defender (he reportedly has a 6-10 wingspan) on the next level.
If this Cousins to the Lakers chatter has any wheels at all (I have no idea, but it’s out there), the Kings are the worst franchise in history. If Karl doesn’t like him, get rid of Karl. And the last team I’d deal him to is the freaking Lakers. I’m in a believe it when I see it mode, but the Woj tweets are concerning.
Sadly, I think there’s a decent chance Boogie winds up in LA this summer, based on the chatter I’m hearing. Just depends how desperate Sacto gets. Right now, they want Randle, Clarkson and the #2 pick (not a bad haul), but the Lakers are balking at that.
The Suns Gorilla makes 11.1 Million. Maybe we keep Miller, throw in Joe Harris and a handful of mortgages. I’d have to say the impact of his trampoline dunks alone is worth the luxury tax. I’d have to run the trade machine, but I think the dollars work.
I’m still holding out the hopes we can land the Phoenix Gorilla. Moondog would have a high octane combo mascot to run with during time outside. We may have to package The Haywood contract and maybe Miller and the 53rd pick, but it’s worth it.
Deals with Haywood max at $13M. How would that work?
How can we not have Batum on Haywood contract? The Blazers basically traded him to Charlotte for cap relief.
Um, Noah Vonleh is not exactly cap relief…
Yeah completely ignored that. But still, Batum CAN be had. Also Aldridge is leaving.
Check out @espn’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/espn/status/613866733879693312?s=09
LeBron won’t “recruit Kevin Love”?
He says he won’t “re-recruit” KLove. Big difference. LBJ basically saying “I’ve already made it clear how much I want him to be here, now he has to decide for himself if he wants to be here.” That’s how I read it anyway…
I think you’re right. Kind of like what Marcellus said. He knows we want him. I had to watch the video.
It can also be interpreted as Lebron wants his hands clean in case Love leaves. (Another leverage for him to pressure the front office just in case). IDK. That role/chemistry issues on the offense still bother me a bit. But I only expect things to improve from last year. An underutilized Love produced 16 & 9. The offensive system will improve and will be able to use Love more/properly. I hope Blatt is I there in the pitch of re-signing Kevin, and show him how we could win a title with him not just being a “stretch 4”.
His hands are clean anyway. He might influence behind the scenes, but at the end of the day, it’s up to DanG and Griff to make the offer and up to KLove to make a choice. I don’t blame LBJ for essentially saying “I’m not going to beg this guy to stay.”
Yeah but it costed them Andrew Wiggins. That’s in the past anyway. And I firmly believe he stays.
As you say, that’s in the past and irrelevant at this point. LeBron is neither the owner, nor the GM. He certainly has influence, but the final decisions are not his to make. As long as the Cavs offer KLove a max deal, the only variable is whether or not he wants to be in Cleveland. And that variable is probably beyond anything LBJ can do or say at this point (which is what I believe he was saying in his comments on the subject).
Wait a minute! LeBron is the reason we traded Wiggins (+ a pick, + a Nimrod) for Love! And don’t forget, everyone said the team had Love’s word he would return, or the trade would not have happened.
If that trade had not happened, the Cavs would be the NBA champs right now and would have the money Love got to use for a top FA. Love, Aldridge, etc., would be fighting to be the guy the Cavs signed.
Since LeBron called that shot, he pretty much needs to make sure the situation does not turn to poop.
You can’t prove any of that… ;)
Can’t prove any of what?
Everything is obvious except how the NBA finals would have turned out. That statement is somewhat unfair, because it might have been Wiggins who got injured, not Love. But if the finals were replayed, with Wiggins on the floor replacing Love in rahab, you don’t think the Cavs would have won in four?
How is it obvious? That’s an awfully big leap to say the Cavs would be NBA champs right now if they had Wiggins instead of Love. LBJ was not the only reason they traded Wiggins for Love anyway… Griff had been trying to get Love well before LBJ ever came back. And ultimately, Griff (with Gilbert’s blessing) pulled the trigger. LBJ might not have been happy if they’d have just stuck with Wiggins, or waited to make the trade until mid-season, but would he have left? Would he have played any less hard? We may not like it, but LBJ… Read more »
I don’t totally disagree with you, but you seem to be forgetting how last summer went down. Remember how LeBron did not mention Wiggins in “the letter”, or talk to him once he got here? And you don’t think he was in on setting up the trade? If so, you are the only one.
Nothing wrong with my memory. But you miss my point. It doesn’t matter if LBJ left Wiggins out of the letter (he included Dion in the letter, but that didn’t stop Griff from trading him away later), or if he didn’t speak to him (that was more speculation than anything). The point is that LBJ, regardless of what he wants or doesn’t want, does not have the final say on personnel. He does not make the trades, nor does he construct contracts (outside of his own, and maybe TT’s since he’s a #Klutch client), nor does he bankroll the team.… Read more »
Ahhhh, Larry David. Got it.
What do you all make of Kevin Love’s Instagram post following the announcement that he opted out of his deal?
https://instagram.com/p/4U3o7oM9x5/
Who’s that guy?
He gone. (J/k. That’s Larry David, isn’t it?)
He’s telling everyone to curb their enthusiasm for the FA rumors. Or he’s moving to LA. Or he likes Larry David.
Hmmm – Larry david, Larry O’Brien, Conan O’brien, Conan the Barbarian, who was played by Arnold Schwartzenhager, who is currently in Terminator. That means he’s either terminating his contract OR he’s signing up for a sequel in Cleveland.
And Done.
Be careful, Windhorst might use that paragraph as an unnamed source
Well he also threw in the #mood, so is he saying that he feels like a young Larry David right now?
Does he feel “Pret-tay, pret-tay, pret-tay good…”?
I love Larry David. People say that Love has that same kind of dry & witty sense of humor. Larry David is known for humor on “the obvious” . We’re good.
Now I did ask some college students (for what it’s worth) on their interpretation of instagram pic. My son & his friends said . “Oh this is the perfect hate face to people’s bullshit” and they laughed. They felt pretty confident he is staying just by that post. What do I know LoL
Oh geez. It took me all day to get the title. Zep.
I suck.
Kevin Love has officially opted out. Let the rumor mill spin cycle commence!
This is going to two weeks of hot takes. And no one will mention the two points that mean the most
The Cavs can offer the most money
And also the best place to win
No player in history has ever turned down that combination
There is a pretty good argument that Lebron James turned down that combination last year. Just sayin.
Nope. There is no argument that he did. The Cavs paid him and he had a
Your statement is factually incorrect. There is always an argument. More specifically, you are trying to say that there is not a GOOD argument. Which I disagree with, since the Heat ciould’ve paid him more and the Heat had just been in the Finals and were a better team (at that time, we did not have Love, Moz, Shump, or J.R.). The Heat were better this year than we were last year. I’m pretty sure they were the better team at the time LBJ made his decision.
Just to throw a name out there no one’s talking about… why isn’t Pat Connaughton being talked about more as a fringe 1st rounder? I stumbled upon him when I was reading up on Justin Anderson’s combine stats. Connaughton has every bit of the athleticism as Anderson, posting nearly identical combine numbers. Connaughton posted, I believe, a combine-best 44″ max vertical! In combine shooting drills, Connaughton is the far superior spot up shooter, especially from deep, while Anderson is a better off-the-dribble shooter. Connaughton is a consistently better, statistically speaking, 3pt shooter in college, and a better shooter overall than… Read more »
A name for the 2nd round, just for fun, I like is Ryan Boatright of UConn. He is tiny, and people question his decision making in the paint, but he’s a deadly outside shooter with elite level athleticism. He reminds me of an Aaron Brooks… He’s a 4 year guy, so presumably mature, and I’m not sure who would be able to stay in front of him while he’s on the ball.
CLF – I actually like Boatright in the second round. I think he can be an Aaron Brooks type, too. Again, that would be a great second round pick up.
Yes. If we pick Anderson in the first . . . or if we don’t pick up a guard in the first – Boatright would be a great second round pick.
What’s crazy is I’ve one website say he’ll go undrafted… which is insane to me. He was a near top 10 performer at the NBA combine’s speed and agility tests… had the 5th highest max vertical of all players tested @ 41″. He performed well in shooting drills at the combine, and his career stats @ UConn back up the fact that he’s a great shooter. The only real knock on him is size and strength. Probably second knock on him is ball handling and playmaking for others. But he played PG pretty well at UConn, and torched Duke’s Tyus… Read more »
Sorry, I butchered that first sentence.. but I’m guessing you know what I meant HAHA!
Welp, after reading this I’m sold on Connaughton
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015-youtube-nba-draft-videos-bobby-portis-willie-cauley-stein-pat-connaughton-mario-hezonja-cedi-osman-satnam-singh-jarell-martin/
Its Delly 2.0! Can you imagine a Delly/Connaughton backcourt?
Thanks for the link, TOJ… I think he’s much more athletic and a purer shooter than Delly. I agree with whoever wrote the piece… how is Connaughton NOT a 1st round pick??? He’s an elite athlete with top 5 speed/agility, recorded one of the best max verticals in the HISTORY of the combine… and a DEADLY shooter! Love the video too… beasted some tough rebounds against UK (had 9 in the elite 8 against UK) and Duke, who both have multiple lottery picks. Has a sick jumper spot-up AND step back fadeaway. Sorry Anderson… I’m on ALL IN on Connaughton!!!… Read more »
That would be some kind of record for number of letters shared by a back court… Dellavedova and Connaughton… that’s 22 letters between them!
SuperDova and Connaugh-Tron
YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! I’m loving this!!!
HAHAHA… Great point, EG!!! Sounds like a law firm or an accounting firm of some sort!
Hahaha
Dellavedova, Connaughton, and Harris
Too bad we let go of Kirk
Holy Jumping, Connaughton!!
I like Montrezl a ton. He’s only 6’6″ but he has huge mass, 250 plus, and the biggest height to winspan differential this draft I believe. He could be a three and d project player. He’d probably be a sf in the nba. He could help The King get some breaks.
Wow, so the Mavs backcourt has completely blown up…
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/13141024/monta-ellis-opts-contract
With Rondo and Ellis likely gone, plus Barea also being a free agent… going to be interesting to see what Cubes does this summer.
Monta Ellis is a Delonte West type player to me. Monta a little better on offense. Delonte on defense. Both are (were) tough and clutch scorers.
Nope. Monta is way better on offense.
It’s probably a blessing for him. He has deep pockets and some decent names are going to be out there.
Hello, D-Wade……..
I see the Hawks finally rid themselves of Danny Ferry. He killed the Cavs with his moves in the first LeBron era and now is out in disgrace in Atlanta. Serves him right.
You’re living in Bizarro world today. Ferry is despicable, but he was a damn good gm. That Hawks roster was gorgeous last season and has awesome contracts on it moving forward. Korver is less than 7 million a year. Teaque is only 8 million a year. Horford is at 12.
He was a terrible GM for the Cavs. Plus the Hawks are doomed. They had a lucky run and now they are stuck with a mediocre team and no real way to upgrade.
That basically sums up the 2007-2010 Cavs minus the lucky run part (Lebron).
Ferry was terrible in the draft. But he had no cap and was in a constant state of trying to please Lebron under a gun that Lebron would leave. Griff should at least have 2 luxuries….Gilbert will spend into the tax and Lebron won’t leave for a few years, maybe ever.
I don’t think Ferry is despicable. The entire episode resulted from him reading a quote from a scout aloud. Sure the quote was despicable, but Ferry might have been trying to point out what a jerk the scout is, or who knows what. He absolutely should not have read that to a group, but that is the kind of mistake a lot of people make. Nobody who worked with Ferry has said he is a racist.
Thank you, Raoul. Please, everyone calling Ferry despicable, read this quote from former Atlanta Mayor Andrew Young before making judgements from afar about a man’s character:
“I think it was totally unfair to characterize his statements as racial. Winning in sports is 90 percent from the neck up. If general managers cannot analyze egos and personalities and talk about the subtleties of a player, they can’t do their job. The fact that Danny recommended Luol Deng [as a free agent the Hawks should sign] was in and of itself an indication that there wasn’t a racial bias.”
Good stuff, Robert! I’d be down with the Anderson pick, although I’m crossing my fingers that Jerian Grant is still available (and that the Cavs like him of course). IMHO, he’s the most NBA ready PG in the draft. Sadly, he probably won’t get past the Mavs at 21, but you never know…
Early look at 2016 anyone? How about a guy named Dragan Bender from Maccabi Tel Aviv? Granted we probably won’t be picking anywhere near where we need to… but… the NAME!
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dragan-Bender-62877/
Here’s an intriguing second round prospect:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Richaun-Holmes-65912/
Dude is a superior athlete with a 7’2″ wingspan, and can play the stretch four. Doubt he’ll be there at 53 though. HAd one of the best combines of the draft.
I’m guessing he won’t even make an NBA team.
Looks good to me… even if he’s raw, he’s got some terrific size
And he can block shots, and shoot, and has great athleticism for his frame.
no project big men
no porject big men
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no jroject bg men
Stop being such a poop.
So Andy and Haywood for Joe Johnson?
Please just stop with the Joe Johnson… or is he now your “Ray Allen Mantra Player” for 2015-16?
OH man, if we had Ray Allen last year we probably win it all.
Oh man, if we had Ray Alle we would have won it all.
If you have a time machine to get a young Ray Allan, why not use it on Miller, Matrix, and Perkins? We could have absolutely have won it all!
1. Justin Anderons
2. Jerrian Grant
3 ??
I’m good with these two.
It appears that we’ll have some good players to choose from at this spot. We can read all the scouting reports, but let’s hope that Griffin’s team can find the hidden gem.
3. Trade pick for Phoenix Suns Gorilla. Imagine Moondog and Sungorilla.
http://www.nba.com/suns/mascot/gorilla_bio.html
(Player Card for Gorilla)
Nice work. I like Justin Anderson, Terran Pettaway, Anthony Brown, R.J. Hunter, Delon Wright, Corey Walden, Tyler Harvey, Joseph Young, and Alex Caruso, in no particular order.
No. on Anthony Brown. He seems like an even worse version of Joe Harris who sucks.
He seems like a better shooter than Joe though… FWIW
Yeah, but he’s old and wasn’t that good in college. I don’t think we’d draft him.
He shot 44% last year and 45% the year before from three, and is a solid wing defender with size. He projects as a Danny Green or Khris Middleton type of 3 and D wing player.
He was a 5th year senior. He’s old, slow, he’d never get a shot off in the NBA. He’s Joe Harris but probably worse
Are you basing this on all of the Stanford games you watched last year? Or some quantifiable statistical information on the guy? Or just throwing shade per usual in a feeble attempt to try and make a point?
Anderson would be my dream pick. Can’t get enough of those long, quintessential 3-and-D guys in today’s NBA. Also, it’d be nice for the Cavs to finally have a decent SF not named LeBron for the first time in like 10+ years.
Andy + Haywood for Joe Johnson?
That’s the move they should make.
Joe Johnson… yuck!
Wait? What? He’d be a pretty great player off our bench. If we had Joe Johnson when Irving and Love were injured we would have won the Finals.
Maybe Joe Johnson from like five years ago, but last year he was terrible. Near career lows in shooting percentage and scoring. Also, in his one playoff series against the Hawks, he shot 36% from the field and 29% from three, averaging 16 points. That’s barely JR equivalent. Doubt he would have made much of a difference. He’s an old 33. No thank you.
Yes on a bad team he’s bad. But he’s like JR Smith in that you put him in a good situation he’d be good.
Oh please… the Nets made the playoffs. He had plenty of talent on that team. He’s done virtually nothing since leaving the Hawks (and he was only really ever just an also-ran scorer there). He’s too old, too slow and has never been a particularly efficient shooter. He’s a vet minimum candidate waiting to happen.
Also, JR is 4 years younger than Joe, and doesn’t need to be paid like the star Joe thinks he still is…
There are a lot of players who would have won the Cavs the Finals in the absence of Kyrie and Love, doesn’t mean we need/want them. I like JJ just fine, but the touches he would need (even coming off the bench) and the salary he would command don’t make a good fit over the course of a full season. He’s no real spot-up shooting threat and would never ride the pine 99% of the season as a “break in case of emergency” utility scorer, a la Mike Miller or Marion.
Joe Johnson …yikes!
Why does everyone hate Joe Johnson? If it wasn’t for the terrible contract? I mean he’s been good but overpaid.
To use your vernacular… “Cause he sucks.”
Anderson or Hollis-Jefferson
DO NOT TAKE A PROJECT BIG MAN.
I just don’t see Harrell as a fit on this team. The guy I’d love them to get is Tyus Jones. Not that I see him as some future star, I just like his game, and I think he could be a good backup PG. i do think he’ll be gone by the time the Cavs pick. (Assuming they even keep the pick, which is probably a shaky assumption)
Plus, how do you even pronounce Montrezl?
Ask Charles Barkley…………..
I think it will come down to ROZIER / ANDERSON / HARRELL ( IF THEY ARE STILL THERE )—IF FOR SOME REASON JEFFERSON / HUNTER FALL THAT FAR IT WILL BE BETWEEN THOSE 2—I MENTIONED IN MY BLOG ON MONDAY ABOUT TAKING NANCE WITH THE 54TH PICK / ATHLETIC BIG —-JUST STARTING TO REACH HIS POTENTIAL / GREAT GENES —–or it could be drafting a player for another team and along with the haywood contract making a trade ——-anyway it makes for good basketball talk / keeps us all together
Well done Robert. I really see Justin Anderson as the Cavs best option. Great size, shooting, and defense right away. He could be a steal at 24.