The Point Four-ward: Live Life and Let Griffin
2015-07-01Four points I’m thinking about the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) One thing I keep coming back to when looking at the Cavs roster with their bevy of free agents, both restricted and non, and a couple of preferable, if not glaring, holes to be filled before the team tips off their new season around Halloween 2015: if I can predict it, that probably means it’s not going to happen.
I’m not talking about the obvious moves here. I’m not talking about whatever deal the team gives to Kevin Love… or Tristan Thompson… or LeBron James. Those are all likely to happen and they’re likely to happen in one of only a few different ways.
James will (most likely) sign another two-year deal featuring a player option for the second year that will allow his Highness, The King, to continue to maximize his maximum contract status as the salary cap grows over the next several years.
Of course, he could sign elsewhere. But not really.
Or he could sign a multi-year contract. But, again, not really.
James will, as expected, remain a Cavalier… a fact that, admittedly, would have been quite unexpected to imagine writing at this time last year.
2.) Love and Thompson both have similar decisions to make. First off, Love can decide to play elsewhere. That could happen. Any team in the LaMarcus Aldridge sweepstakes who misses out on the seems-to-be-former Portland star will make a run at Love, including the Trailblazers themselves. He could sign a five-year roughly $110 million max deal to stay in Cleveland. Or he could, similar to James, sign a shorter deal in order to squeeze every drop as the salary cap lemon tree grows.
Reports are that the Cavs will offer Love a five-year deal at the maximum salary allowed and Love is likely to accept it.
Whether or not that’s what I expect (spoiler alert: it is), there just aren’t that many different possible outcomes.
If the Cavs offer Thompson a deal close to the max for him — a deal that will start at over $15 million a year — look for Thompson to gladly sign it. Thompson proved his importance to this team and showed that he’s still getting better as a player, but it’s difficult to imagine an NBA — even with how the inflating salary cap will alter the relative value of every player’s deals — where Thompson approaches being a $20 million a year player. Though, again, had you told me this time last year that not only would Thompson have passed up a long-term deal worth over $11 million per but there’d be some debate over whether he’d even consider signing a deal worth over $70 million in total, I’d have likely laughed you out of the comments section.
3.) Now, honestly, I could see any of the troika of post-season gladiators — Matthew Dellavedova, Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith — leave as easily as I could see them return. Shumpert has already drawn some interest and, despite showing that his offense is about as fluid as a two-wheeled tricycle, he’s probably the one who could get an offer big enough to make the Cavs a bit queasy. If Monta Ellis leaves Dallas, is J.R. Smith a fit for the Mavericks? Dellavedova’s agent will look for $4 million per but will probably end up taking just under $3 million. That would suit the Cavs just fine.
But, again, as much as the Cavs have stated their interest in keeping most of this team intact, usually when you have this many free agents to deal with someone falls through the cracks. And I expect someone to fall through. I just don’t know who.
Still, these are still the obvious moves.
4.) The moves get a lot less obvious when it comes to how the team fills out the last couple of roster spots and what the heck GM David Griffin will do with Brendan Haywood’s non-guaranteed $10 million contract. These are the moves that make me pour over the free agent lists, stay up with all the rumors — all the various reports from people’s sources — and, in the end, just have to… well, live life and let Griffin.
It’s these moves that will really dictate how big of an upgrade the 2015-16 Cavs are from the version that just made the NBA Finals. But I could no more have told you that Chris Grant was going to sign Andrew Bynum going into the 2013 offseason than I could have told you that sometime in the summer of 2014 David Griffin was going to trade Carrick Felix for three players on non-guaranteed contracts who would all later be shipped to the Boston Celtics for Keith Bogans… who would (only a few days later) be traded to the Philadelphia 76ers for a protected 2015 second rounder and a trade exception that would later allow the team to acquire favorite daytime bar patron, Timofey Mozgov. See, sometimes its not the move so much as it is the move that sets up the move. Or, you know, sometimes it’s just the move.
Transaction season, right? Whew…
Haywood’s contract, in particular, is not going to work out the way that any of us think it will.
That’s my one off-season guarantee.
Semi-Breaking News post is up on KLove and TT…
Sorry guys. I’m overexcitable. DeRozan was a fake tweet.
Forgivable given the circumstances… I got hooked by “Fake Marc Stein” last night with the Greg Monroe tweet…
I was gonna mention that HAHA!!! Like I said… twitter needs to do something about that crap. Misappropriation of someone’s image in the public sphere has to be of dubious legality.
But Windy also reports that Cavs may have something going with the Raptors….so it ABSOLUTELY MUST be true! Ha
At this point he’s about as accurate as fake Sam Amico
WILL LET ME FORGET BLEDOE ( THANKS NATE ) AND JUMP ON THE DEROZAN BANDWAGON —WOULD BE A GOOD FIT !
Tyson Chandler to the Suns..
That’s a good get for them… they have no defense. Hopefully he still has something pep in those legs.
INTERESTING INDEED —IF THE CAVS WOULD SOMEHOW GET BLEDOE WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE A 911 CALL FOR ” DEAR OLD COLS ” GOING INTO CARDIAC ARREST
Nice… now that’s an upgrade!
I don’t think that’s Sam Amico, he’s only got 20 followers.
He changed his handle as he’s running his own site now and isn’t writing for fox sports (still broadcasting).
O, dang.. so it’s real?
No.
Good catch Arch…. I hate all of these stupid fake accounts. You’d think there would be rules about it on Twitter’s TOS
Damnit. That’s Sam ARNICO
Awww man, that’s 0-2 Nate!!!
Haha, lots more hits and misses than that.
I expect a rebound performance shortly!!!! Time to show that championship character!
Yeah, he’s also saying that we should sign Norris Cole today and JR has signed for 3 years $35 million with player option after two years. WHAT???
Man, that’s the only thing that could top all of this news off, Bledsoe for Haywood!!!
D’OH! I was had. This article is a year old.
C’mon Nate! That was such a letdown! HAHAHAHA!!
Here’s Dan Gilbert this off season:
http://sliptalk.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/15204902/dumb-and-dumber-money.gif
HAHA. I’m tweeting that.
@ESPNCleveland: Windhorst: If the Cavs move the Haywood contract, it will be for a perimeter player. Keep an eye on the Toronto Raptors.
So we should keep an eye out for a Center from Turkey? Is that the opposite of perimeter player from Toronto?
TAKE THAT WIND ( BAG ) HORST / ROSE / SIMMONS ——THANK YOU KEVIN LOVE FOR KEEPING YOUR WORD —-HEY EVIL I AM GOING TO SET OFF SOME ” PREMATURE FIREWORKS ” TO CELEBRATE THE LOVE SIGNING —WILL SAVE SOME FOR THE 4TH AND PURCHASE MORE FOR OUR NBA CHAMPIOHIP ELEBRATION !!!—-WITH LOVE’S SIGNING THAT SHOULD LURE MORE PLAYERS XCAVS WAY
Well, adios CtB for today. I’ll be back tomorrow. WHAT A GREAT DASY!!!!!!!!!!! GO OUT AND CELEBRATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Pretty good consolation prize for all the Lakers fans convinced Kevin Love was coming….
Thomas Pestak added,
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Los Angeles Lakers will reportedly keep Robert Sacre: http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=17866 #NBAFreeAgency
Tom Pestak, FOR THE WIN!~
So all the Zeller/Jack/Karasdev/Bennett/Wiggins dead enders from last year are gone? Right?!!!
Griffin is the best GM ever.
Gilbert is the best onwer ever.
I am the best CtBlogger ever.
Well, two out a three aint’ bad
Amir Johnson agreeing to terms with the Celtics according to Woj…
Amir Johnson, Olynyk, Zeller, Sullinger, Jerebko, Gerald Wallace, Crowder… The Celtics have some depth at power forward.
I love the thought of K Love sitting politely in his “meeting” with the Lakers. He probably was texting the Player’s Tribune saying “just a sec, don’t post until this meeting is over.”
Ah. Good point.
So here’s Windhorst’s prediction meter so far: Kyrie can’t stand Dion and wants out as soon as possible … signs a 5-year extension about as soon as he could. Lebron wants to stay in Miami and Cleveland isn’t an option … he comes back to Cleveland. Kevin Love can’t stand Lebron or his role in Cleveland and wants out as soon as he can … signs a 5-year deal the first day he has the chance too. Even Nick Swisher has a better batting average at this point.
Well played with the Nick Swisher angle, who, like windhorst, has stayed a little too long.
HOW ABOUT THIS??
That means they’re going to have to pay the max to get him, because someone else is going to offer him that.
That picture looks like Bogut and Green are having a poop your pants contest.
WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO NOW!>:@#$?@#$<@#?$<@#?$
It’s 4:20 somewhere.
Brazil, for example. To celebrate Andy.
Must say Griffin and Gilbert are consistently making good basketball decisions and showing their commitment to bring a championship to Cleveland…kudos to them.
Yep. And why the heck not? You can’t take it with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHERE IS SIMMONS AND JALEN ROSE WITH THEIR HOTTAKES!#$(Hefoghthzsrdthzsrjj
Cols, I hope you have a drinking buddy (or maybe drinking posse) with you to carry you home at the end of this day…
Good looking out for Cols, EG! HAHAHA!
After the cap explodes and a 32 year old LBJ signs a 5 year 200 million contract, Dan is going to pay the largest luxury tax bill in the history of everything.
Love, Kyrie, TT and James for the next four years at least. It will be interesting to see what Delly and Shump get and for how long. Wonder if we would make Smith a moderate offer early or see how the market plays out …
Moz is on for next year. Do they offer him a contract extension early?
What is the possibility of renegotiating Varajao’s contract to extend it, but for less money?
No on the third option.
Varejao’s contract had two purposes: 1. Reward the guy for both loyalty and being LBJ’s fav teammate and 2. serve as a Haywood type chip in next year’s offseason (or the one after – the final two years are both team options). In all likelihood, next year is AV’s last with Cleveland, if not the NBA. I hope he stays healthy, play 10 minutes a night for 60 games, and ends up with 4 rebounds and 6 points during garbage time of our finals clinching victory next June.
Actually, I see the Cavs platooning a lot, especially in back-to-backs. One Night Andy Might get 28 minutes, the next night, DNP.
Assuming LBJ signs, we will have five guys making a combined 81 million. LBJ 22, KLove 18, KI 16, TT 15, AV 10. Throw in guaranteed contracts of Moz, Mime Killer, and Smokin’ Joe, and that’s 90 million for 8 players.
Still to add (hopefully): Shump, J.R., Haywood trade, Delly, Vet mini mid, vet min, and rookie. Say what you will about the guy, but Dan Gilbert is putting his money where his mouth is.
Never doubted. He’s by far the best owner of any Cleveland team ever.
WHere is the TT link?
nvmd I see it now
Just heard report on the radio (was driving and had to pull over to post) that TT is on verge of signing an $80M deal…!!!
Duh. 5/80 WE are way ahead of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, I’ve been in a meeting with no phone service…
WHY???????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you need to moooooooooove here.
To Colorado???
YES. we have phone service and certain activities are legal
EVERYONE IS INVITED TO CMOE AND DRINK WITH ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE WHOLE tB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow. Such a weird feeling to not only have talent on this team, but to finally have it locked up and not have that dread of off season discussions. Now if we can get some luck in the health department… So pumped.
PODCAST NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EVERYONE SAY THAT COLS WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG
CAPS FREAKING LOCKED
Um, aside from the guys on ESPN, who thought Love was leaving?
Oh dear, Player’s Tribune seems to have crashed…
FINALS 2015-2016
NO DOUBT ABOUT THIS
Boom. Happy Days are here again!
Greatest Season Ever is coming. Love that Kevin guy. Just hope his rehab goes well.
The Cleveland Clinic is going to co-sponser our title run next year
The numbers are truly mind-boggling. Imagine what LBJ would get paid without a cap. I seriously think someone would pay him $100mm per year – think of the value he adds to a franchise. TT is a good player, but he can’t create, and the stats show that the Cavs were better defensively with Mozgov and Love, and he gets $16mm/year. Wow. Brook Lopez for $20mm per year. You can go on and on. The two best “value” deals, by far, are Green and Leonard for SA. KI’s deal looks great for the Cavs now. Paying for Delly reminds me… Read more »
Just want to pat myself on the back for saying that of course Love was coming back and they wouldn’t have traded Wiggins (who sucked last year) for Love if they thought he was leaving.
I think maybe Nate owes me an apology.
Stfu.. All you do is talk nonsense, backed up with no facts!
That wasn’t me.
I owe you nothing. Your sense of history is flawed.
OK Griff. Let’s get Shump done and then we can relax and focus on our rehabs.
Plus Thompson cumming back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BEST OFFSEASONDAY SINCE LEBRON SIGNED LAST YEAR
Oh man, please edit that. Spelling is problematic.
Wtf Cols. I’m excited too but that’s a bit much.
K Love signing for 5 years apparently. Windhorst crying in corner.
yep. I wish Simmons hadn’t gotten fired I’d love to hear the tears.
This guarantees the Finals for the next 3-5 years.
Bill Simmons and Jalen Rose handing each other tissues
They’ve been handing each other tissues for years, but this time its for tears. :)
well played lol
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My goodness what I’d give to see Simmons’ tears
What did I miss? HA! I have one work meeting and KLove announces… Well, at least I can post this with glee, (not because it’s news anymore) because of the man who was forced to tweet it as his job…
Saw this on ESPN
Baxter Holmes
@BaxterHolmes
Kevin Love tells the @PlayersTribune, “I’m going back to Cleveland.
Also that apparently the cavs are going to give Tristan Thompson $80mil.. I need to hire Klutch sports, I think
80 million. Wow. That’s overpaying, but we had no leverage.
Is it 5 years? That’s not too bad, especially after cap boost.
It better be 5 years. Wonder how Kyrie feels about his agent today.
Players tribune has the KLove letter he publish why he’s staying with the cavs. 5/110mil is his contract. That will age well (we hope in unison…)
Kyrie should feel just fine. He guaranteed himself 90 million and he just had surgery on his knee. It was the right move then and still is, considering how often he has been injured so far. Same thing for Love.
I agree Joey.. Just hope isn’t sour grapes that Tristan is making almost as much as he is.
Finals are guaranteed.
Not until we resign Dellavadova.
Unless he gets in better shape, I don’t want someone who is going to be unplayable because he played 40 minutes and had to be hospitalized.
Oh Cols, you’re too easy.
everyone cramps, even Lebron. Tough to all-of-a-sudden need to play 40 min in the finals when you’ve been playing 30ish for the previous couple of series
Cols you can’t be serious…..did you see the WORK he put in on the defensive end? He made Curry a non-factor with hustle and heart alone. Dude has got to have the greatest talent-hustle differential like, ever. He gave a Herculean effort, that’s why he burned out. Not because he was ‘out of shape’. Besides, who is out of shape by the time you get to the Finals?
Cols cramps up if he has to walk too far to the dispensery.
Not that CtBers need it. But a handy one stop.
Every important NBA free agency rumor in one place
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/30/8874215/nba-free-agent-rumors-2015-list-tracker
Are those tweets about Perkins for real? He actually is getting interest around the league? See ya
You can’t teach tall. You can, however, teach not to travel.
Well, that pretty much guarantees Christmas’ spot on the team if/when Perk leaves.
He’d be great on the Knicks. When they go down by 30, out he goes to break bones and tear ligaments.
He’d start on the Knicks right now. The Knicks really want it to be the early 2000s as far as playing style goes.
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 44s44 seconds ago
Free agent Dwyane Wade and Miami are progressing in talks on a likely multi-year deal, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
YES!!! Ellington FTW!
Herculoids forever. Never should have let Ellington and Livingston go.
I’ll be honest, the crazy money being thrown around is making me nervous. You gotta think that Shump and JR are getting $10 mil+ each. Gotta think that Mo Williams could get $4-5 per easily. Delly might get $5 million if the right team comes along. So much cap space out there, and with the expectation that it’s ballooning next year? Yowza. Also, Mozgov is the best contract in the league right now.
I think the crazy money is really only being thrown around for young players on longer deals. So I’d bet that Shump is going to get PAID, but JR, maybe not, too many potential issues, I think $8m closer to right for him. Delly’s hard to judge, not sure if the rest of the league thinks he’s real. My bet, he resigns with Cavs for approx $3.5m/year for 3 years with last year a player option. Might get an offer from other people, but knows his role here and that he’s a hometown hero, elsewhere won’t have the leash he… Read more »
Yeah, but Utah would be perfect for Delly and they have cap room in spades.
As much as I love Delly, I think it’s more important to not overpay, even if everyone else is overpaying. If they want to overpay for Delly, then so be it.
Beverley could fit in easily in his place, if they can afford him or if he’s willing to take a discount to win.
If Mozgov is on the best contract in the league then KI’s is second best. 5/90mil is a bargain compared to 5/145mil for davis or–even crazier– 5/120mil for Lillard
On Danny Green’s four year, $45 million dollar deal.
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 1m1 minute ago
DeMarre Carroll has agreed to a four year, $60M deal with Toronto, league source tells Yahoo.
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Spurs are having a great offseason so far. I do not understand why players take less money to play in the crappy city in that horrible state.
Because they are a great organization, with a tight team atmosphere? Just a guess.
How about KJ MDaniels? Would that be a wing Cavs could pursue? Tremendous athleticism, great defense.
Rockets will match anything the Cavs can afford. Go after John Jenkins instead. Not the defender McDaniels is, but a knock down shooter.
Knock down shooters are good HAHA! I remember Jenkins knocking down everything in game 4 of the ECF.
Adrian Wojnarowski
@WojYahooNBA
The San Antonio Spurs have traded center Tiago Splitter to the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Aldridge?
Chris Broussard @Chris_Broussard now37 seconds ago
Sources: Danny Green has agreed to a 4 year, $45 million deal with the Spurs
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Just had an epic twitter battle trying to prove Dragic is overrated. Someone called him a top 5 PG.. I just wasted a half hour looking up defensive win-shares and 3 point percentages… My deduction – Dragic is worse than Lillard and Lowry, but not by much.
Just enlist @oldseaminer (Nate) to chime in… he’s got a long-standing history of proving that Dragic is over-rated…
Meh. 1.5 good seasons. I don’t overpay for guys who only play well in contract years.
Lots of talk about the Knicks possibly having to settle for Greg Monroe, once LMA, DJ, etc all pass. It would be genius if he clogged up their cap. SMH Knicks…
Orlando trying to steal Millsap from the Hawks with 4yr./$80M offer…
Good stuff, Robert! I agree that Cavs will likely re-sign most everyone… although J.R. would be my pick for “guy who slips through cracks” or more likely “guy who prices himself out of Cavs’ interest range.”
Also, Dunleavy just agreed to terms with the Bulls for 3 years and 14.4M
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 7m7 minutes ago
Mike Dunleavy Jr., has agreed to a three-year, $14.4 million deal with the Chicago Bulls, league sources tell Yahoo Sports
Great job Robert. I too have a sneaky suspicion that the Haywood contract nets us nothing of immediate value. I would not be surprised if they try to grab a couple draft picks with the Haywood contract, and use them as trade chips next year when there is an increased cap and our contracts are a bit more settled (hopefully not everyone signs one-year deals). The different options everyone is talking about are mostly good ideas, but I just don’t think this contract amounts to as much as we think it could. Definitely think Robert is right: The Haywood contract… Read more »
Why is everyone thinking the Haywood contract is not going to fetch much? Is that just a wild guess, or has something changed?
It’s just a hunch. I think it will net SOMETHING, just not the “filling exactly a position of need and want with one deal” that people hope for. I like the example of how Griffin worked to open up room for LeBron. I think the Haywood contract will be used to alleviate some of the cap restraints on the team for next year when the cap jumps, hopefully keeping us out of the repeater tax. It might be a move to set up a move next year. Again, this is a hunch, but based on the history of the NBA… Read more »
I think since everyone knows the cap is going to balloon in 2016, the demand for cap space goes down so haywood’s contract relief is less valuable. Likewise, other teams know what the cavs are and what we want; young guys who defend well and can supplement a contender around James, Irving, and (hopefully) Love. As such, teams just won’t give us the guys we need at market value (see mozgov) unless their the Knicks (see shumpert). Our roster and James contract situatuion tips our hand to other teams and as such we gotta overpay and know the thing we… Read more »
I think it highly depends on whether we bring back our free agents or not. If we bring them all back, then I think they might try to get a trade exception out of it, but not much more, if they don’t bring back the free agents then they’re going to use it to try to find replacement(s) and may have to give up more future assets to do so.
Could get Swaggy P in a heartbeat.
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1. Steph Curry
2. Lebron James
3. Derrick Rose
4. Kyrie Irving
5. Klay Thompson
6. Kobe Bryant
7. James Harden
8. Blake Griffith
9. Tim Duncan
10. Chris Paul
11. Kevin Durant
12. Kawhi Leonard
13. Russel Westbrook
14. Matthew Dellevedova
15. Draymond Green
Good to see Delly on the list !!
http://www.nba.com/2015/news/06/30/curry-overtakes-lebron-james-for-nbas-top-jersey.ap/index.html?cid=nbacomsocial_tw_sf10460527&cid=nbatvsocial_tw_sf10462453&cid=nbatvsocial_fb_sf10463328
And especially nice to see Delly ahead of Draymond Green.
Really interesting that Blake Griffith, Glenoma, Washington – Owner/Managing Broker at Century 21 Lund Realtors, is that high on the list. Thought he had a down year last year.
Good to see our Big-3 crack the top 15! Lebron, Irving and … Delly
Interesting take. As a fan, I agree that the smaller moves are the most fun to think about because they involve more uncertainty and, thus, strategy. One interesting angle on Love I haven’t seen discussed. Its possible he wants a shorter deal (1 year +1 option) so that he can max out when new the salary cap comes. And its possible (likely) the Cavs would strongly prefer to lock him into a long term deal under the lower salary cap. If this is the case, Love may be incented to visit other teams and get a 1 year offer in… Read more »
I think Love will take the five year deal. He wants to win and knows how well his contract is going to age under the new cap and that will help his team and he knows his injury history. Would you walk away from 110 mil for a CHANCE to make 40mil more in two years when you average 60 games/year? I don’t know that I would.
After seeing how Love was used this year, Ive always thought he signs a one year deal to see how he gets used next year. And that is going to play into what he does next offseason, whether it be signing a max deal with us or moving on. Dude was putting up HOF type stats and now isn’t even an allstar in Lebron’s system.
I’m sure he wants to be used in the best way possible, and if they win a championship next year or not, if he’s a glorified spot up 3 point specialist, he’s not staying.