Recap: Bucks 110, Cavs 101 (or, Answer Me These Questions Two)
2015-10-14This game answered two important questions many basketball fans have been wondering for ages:
- What happens if a championship contender starts their entire second unit against the starters from a bottom half playoff team in the East?
- What happens if the contender’s third/fourth unit (also known as the “D-League select”) plays against the above mentioned playoff team’s starters?
The two answers are simple. The regular backups will hold their own, while the D-leaguers will get crushed. If it wasn’t for the NBA preseason, I would have never gotten those two pressing questions answered. Thank you, Jason Kidd and Adam Silver.
The first half, the Cavs started James Jones, Matthew Dellavedova, Mo Williams, Sasha Kaun, and Richard Jefferson against the Bucks’ starters (minus the Greek Freak and Jabari Parker). The Wine & Gold’s second line sprinted the ball up the court, and got into their offense instantly. Whoever had the ball would jet around a screen, attract an extra defender, and find another guy cutting off a secondary screen for an open shot or a pass to an open shot. 11 of the Wine & Gold’s 13 made shots in the first half were assisted. And when they weren’t scoring assisted buckets, the Cavs were getting to the line: 24 times against the foul happy Bucks. Defensively, the Cavs played it honest. Each quasi-starter fought to recover on picks, and Sasha Kaun made little Bucks feel queasy about taking shots at the rim. The Bucks went just 1-7 from beyond the arc, and settled for a ton of long twos instead of trying to penetrate. The Cavs went into halftime ahead by six points, despite missing three gimme layups in the second quarter.
During the second half, the Cavs managed to get into the bonus after just two minutes of the third quarter in the midst of a 9-0 run. Milwaukee could not stop fouling. The Bucks then came alive. OJ Mayo started penetrating and dished the ball out five times, adding 12 points before the game ended. Greg Monroe also picked up his scoring efforts to drop 13 points (for a total of 19). The floor opened up a little for the Bucks, and they dropped 35 to the Cavs’ 23 points in the fourth quarter. The Cavs second stringers were rotated out of the game, and men we may never see in a Cavs uniform again after this October got the bulk of the minutes. Offensively, the Cavs looked stagnant as Quinn Cook and Jared Cunningham failed to get into the paint, or failed to hit shots once there. The Cavs managed to convert just three shots at the rim, and coughed up the ball 11 times. With about seven minutes left to play, the Bucks tossed Monroe and MCW in to finish the game and to ensure a win.
The Gripes and Hypes for this game are going to be for both teams. This is preseason ball and the only people watching are the true hoop junkies. I appreciate all action right now because I’m clearly basketball deprived. That is the only explanation for a 1600 word piece on a pre-season game.
Gripes
-Joey Harris shot 4-8 from the filed, including two nifty fourth quarter layups, but he needs to slow his shot down. When Harris gets the ball and has time, you can just tell his shot is going to drop from deep. When he rushes his stroke, or tries to get it off with a defender closing on him, he risks shattering the backboard. Harris also had his shot chased down by John Henson when Delly found him on a fast break in the first quarter. It was an NBA Street level block. Henson had his hand fully on top of the ball, and could have two hand ripped it if the situation had worked out just a little bit differently.
-In the second quarter, the Cavs missed no less than three gimme layups. Kaun missed one on the second possession of the quarter, and Delly missed a fastbreak layup a possession later.
– For all the length the Bucks have, they sure seemed hesitant to use it in the first half. The Bucks’ defense is great in pick-and-roll coverage, and when they really body up on guys. If they aren’t doing those things though, they struggle to defend ball handlers going East-to-West and West-to-East in the paint. Whenever a Cavalier dribbled through the paint like that, an extra Buck would follow him out of it leaving another Cav wide open.
-All that length can be a detriment too, if you don’t move your feet. The Cavs went to the line 44 times in this contest because the Bucks just kept reaching, especially on shots and drives. Cleveland actually should have gone to the line more, but the officials wanted to go home, and stopped calling so much (more on this later).
-MCW shot 1-11 from the field. He’s slated to be Milwaukee’s starting point guard and is headed into his third season. He really needs to figure out the whole shooting a basketball thing soon. He only wound up with three assists and turned it over twice.
-Jared Cunningham went 1-12 from the field and was -21 in plus/minus. He can sure get into the paint, but much like former Cavalier Dion Waiters, he can’t finish. He doesn’t get calls. At least he plays defense all the time though.
-James Jones just couldn’t hit his open threes. At one point, he shot one in the third quarter that bounced straight back to him. He shot it again from the same exact spot and missed. He was 2-8 from deep tonight.
-If the Bucks can’t penetrate and draw defensive attention to free up guys stationed in the paint, the paint becomes way too crowded to operate in. Then the long twos have to be launched. Byron Scott probably watched the first quarter and felt vindicated. “Other teams like long twos too.”
-Sasha Kaun gave up several offensive rebounds to Greg Monroe and John Henson because he forgot to box out.
-What is Mo Williams? At times Mo looked to run the offense. He would penetrate and dish. Other times, he would launch a contested three, and then let his man blow by him on defense. David Blatt must carve a specific role for Mo, so he knows what is expected of him each night. Mo Gotti put up 16 points to go with six rebounds and four assists.
-In the third quarter, the Cavs were in the bonus with ten minutes left. They ended up taking 15 free throws, making 12 of them. The Bucks took 12 and made eight of them. The quarter took forever. If I ever want to officially end any interest my girlfriend has taken in basketball, I will sit her down and make her watch all 45 plus minutes of this quarter.
-If you combine Nick Minnerath, Austin Daye, and Chris Johnson, you get Dayerath Johnson. This player will get you four points in 31 total minutes.
-Quinn Cook showed he could get into the paint when the Cavs were down ten (He made one of the three made Cavs shots at the rim in the 2nd half). He also showed he could assist too getting four in 14 minutes of playing time. He should have been taking more threes to try and bring the game back when he was on the floor in the fourth quarter, but he’s young and will eventually learn better game awareness.
Hypes
-The Cavs’ second unit hung with the Bucks’ starters. Enough said.
-Look at this shot selection by Cleveland:
That’s some money ball right there.
-Dellavedova had a great outing. He hit 3-4 from deep when he was found by people carving up the paint. And, he even hit one of his nifty little floaters to keep the guys covering him honest. He was a Cavalier high +14 when on the floor.
-OJ Mayo must have been working out hard this summer, because he looked fantastic on the floor. He had ten assists in 24 minutes, and seemed to be in great control every time he drove the ball. He was also able to find the right guy on nearly every play in the second half. Mayo assisted or scored on 14 of the 35 fourth quarter points for the Bucks, and was +29 for the night.
-Sasha Kaun was 3-5 for eight points in 23 minutes. He also played textbook defense on Monroe. Monroe may have had 13 points in the second half, but Sasha did everything possible to stop him. Kaun kept his hands up high and didn’t try to block Monroe. He kept his feet set, and Greg didn’t get anything easy.
-The Cavs offense looked glorious for much of the night. It’s amazing what happens when the ball is pushed up the floor and guys dribble to move around screens, instead of for the sake of just dribbling. Transition defenses are a lot easier to defeat than set defenses.
– Speaking of defense, the Bucks looked terrifying when they started to pressure the Cavs late in the game. When they picked guys up at half-court and played the passing lanes, they managed to cause 11 turnovers in about a 20 minute span.
-James Freaking Jones is rejuvenated. Even though he missed a bunch of threes, he acted like a true veteran. You could see him giving the ball to some of the young guys, and saying “Now, watch. I’ll run near you, and my guy will pay attention to the possibility of me setting a screen just long enough for me to pop out for an open three.” Jones sprinted back on defense and even blocked John Henson on the break.
-John Henson had 16 points on 5-8 shooting to go with four offensive rebounds (ten total rebounds), four blocks, and two assists. I also recall him making a jumper and displaying a nice turnaround hook shot. I have never recalled Tristan doing any of those offensive things, and he wants how much money over the next five years?
-Jerryd Bayless balled out in the fourth quarter to deliver five of his eight assists. Those five dimes resulted in 13 total points.
-Old man ball is awesome to watch sometimes. In the first quarter, Mo Williams, James Jones, and Richard Jefferson had ten free throws. All of them were from goading young Bucks into dumb decisions. Lawyer ball for all.
-Dionte Christmas had a beautiful looking turnaround jumper off a baseline curl maneuver on his way to ten points.
-Real NBA games are less than two weeks away!
ThAnK yOu EvIl
Why is everyone writing in all caps. Good write up. It’s nice to see our backups carving up their starters minus the Greek Freak. I’m pretty excited to watch some of the young teams compete in the East this year.
Only NOMAD writes in all caps… that’s his thing…
Good stuff DW! These games are hard to watch, and harder still to cover and glean much from… The main takeaway I got was that the Bucks, despite their length, are not all that good yet. I found it borderline laughable that Kidd decided to throw Monroe and MCW back out there at the end with OJ and Vaughn to make sure they won the game over the Cavs fourth stringers… Agree with Nate’s points about Middleton coasting and Henson being a more cost effective version of what TT brings… Rough night for MDN, but I still like his aggressiveness… Read more »
Middleton is coasting in a preseason game. There is zero evidence that he is going to coast in the games that actually matter. Nate, as usual, just sees whatever it is he wants to see. It’s a predetermeind narrative. As for Henson, yeah he would be nice to have especially at that price. But he’s not the alternative. The alternative to not signing TT is a big fat nothing. There are no alternatives. Which is why he’s going to get paid more than we think he should. I don’t understand why people keep comparing his situation to a player who… Read more »
Actually, Nate was defending Middleton in an earlier thread. I was the one who doesn’t think he’s all that. I just don’t love his game or his shot, and I could definitely see him having a worse year now that he’s gotten paid… Nobody said Henson was an alternative. Just that he brings the same skill set for a lot less money. This is the reality. And yes, there is the alternative of using the Brendan Haywood Trade Exception at mid-season to bring in a guy if TT still hasn’t signed. You are ascribing way too much leverage to TT.… Read more »
RE: Middleton. I love that you can agree with me and insult me at the same time. It’s a rare talent.
He just picks a CtB writer. It’s a predetermined narrative.
Rondo isn’t getting along with Karl now. Is anyone surprised?
As scripted…
How do some of these guys who excell so much in business become such incompetent as owners? I can’t wrap my head around it. I wouldn’t hire Vivek to be a dog walker based on his tenure with the Kings.
LIKE WHAT I HAVE SEEN FROM SASHA SO FAR ( NEEDS IMPROVEMENT IN BOX OUTS –THAT WILL COME )—-LET’S REVIEW SASHA VS T.T. OFFENSE : WOULD PUT ALMOST EVEN –SASHA BETTER INTERIOR SKILLS–T.T. MORE ATHLETIC—BOTH NEED WORK ON FOUL SHOOTING PASSING : SASHA HAS SHOWN A KNACK FOR MAKING THE RIGHT PASS REBOUNDING: WILL GIVE THIS ONE TO T.T.–ALTHOUGH SASHA HAS PROVEN TO BE NO SLOUCH DEFENSE : OVER ALL SLIGHT EDGE TO T.T.–SASHA HELD HIS OWN AGAINST A VERY SOLID PLAYER ( MONROE ) LAST NIGHT CONTRACTS : HUGE EDGE TO SASHA $2 MILLION VS $ 80 MILLION AGAIN… Read more »
Oh geez. TT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kaun
5/80 Get it done.
If like to see more of X-Mas and DJ. I’ve pretty much given up on Johnson and Baby-Bird. I think Daye or Cunningham are the obvious choices right now. I hope Cook accepts a role in Canton.
GOOD ARTICLE: KINGJAMESGOSPEL ON RJ BEING THE “X’ FACTOR FOR THE CAVS THIS YEAR AFTER EARLY VIEWING SO FAR I WOULD BE INCLINED TO AGREE
BEN AGREE WITH YOU— JOE IS A NICE GUY AND WILL ALWAYS ROOT FOR HIM WEARING A CAVS UNIFORM ( AS WE ROOT FOR ANY PLAYER WITH THOSE COLORS ON ) BUT THEN YOU PROCEEDED TO MENTION ALL HIS FLAWS WHICH FURTHER INDICATE THE REASON NOT TO KEEP HIM AND TO KEEP A JARED CUNNINGHAM / CHRISTMAS / DAYE –PLAYERS WHO ALTHOUGH MIGHT NOT PLAY MUCH / WHEN THEY DO WILL BE MORE OF AN ASSET— ALSO I THINK THOSE PLAYERS ARE MORE HELPFUL IN PRACTICE THAN JOE IS —AGREE WITH ALL CTB BROTHERS ( EXCEPT COLS OF COURSE )… Read more »
When does real basketball begin? These glorified D league games are no fun.
Man, am I glad the Bucks traded Brandon Knight for MCW. That move sets them back at least two years. O.J. Mayo is now the team’s best point guard. Khris Middleton looks like he is going to coast off that contract he signed this summer. Once they get the Alphabet and Jabari back, they might be something, but they still seem like mishmashed parts without enough shooting. Jefferson has been even better than I imagined. He can still D some, makes nice passes, and knows where the other guys are on the court. He’s also crafty. 11 free throws! Cunningham… Read more »
I’m always rooting for Joe as long as he is a Cav. Still, the fact that this outing marks a substantial improvement is just sad. Joe finally got some balls to drop, but his lack of length and explosion makes every slight misstep on either end a disaster. The kid is strong and has some nice skills, but he seems to beat himself up after every failure. That is no small characteristic. Defensively, even when he is there, guys just easily shoot over him. He doesn’t have the energy and athleticism to use his body like Delly does on weakside… Read more »
I saw that same break you were talking about with Cook, and the worst part was that he had Cunningham on the right wing, and a guy in the left corner and missed them both. Daye gets called for pulling out the chair, and it’s crafty defense, but the refs aren’t respecting him (plus he’s getting his hands tangled as Austin Carr rightly pointed out). Also, that’s a move you can only go too so many times. He needs to box out and get his body into fours then use his length to contest. He’s close to an NBA player… Read more »
haha. thanks Nate. nice jab. =)
“Joe finally got some balls to drop, but his lack of length and explosion makes every slight misstep on either end a disaster.”
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Great post, Nate… completely agree. Glad to see positive energy for Smokin’ Joe.. maybe the “CtB effect” that worked for Delly last year will help SJH this year. @DellaveYoda, I agree… glad to see the backups get so much time against 1st stringers of other teams. I think it will pay off in the regular season. @Nate, hit the nail on the head with MCW/Knight, Jefferson, and Cunningham. @Ben, totally agree with you re: Henson and even more, TT. Just saw ESPN’s player rankings with TT ranked @#59. The 59th highest paid player in the NBA is making ~11m this… Read more »
Good to see our young guys and rotation guys getting lots of minutes in the preseason. Valuable court time for them as opposed to a chore in “injury-prevention ” for some vets. Have heard Delly looks like he’s in good shape, too…
MDN HAD A ROUGH OUTING ( LEBRON HAS THEM TOO ) BUT UNLIKE ST WEIRDO HE DID NOT POUT/ STILL HUSTLED AND PLAYED THE “D’ AND OTHER ASPECTS OF THE GAME—-YOU MENTION “IF”/ “WHEN” JOE DOESN’T HAVE A DEFENDER COMING AT HIM HARD / RUSHING HIS SHOT –HIS SHOT LOOKS GOOD—WILL IF I AM SCOUTING HIM GUESS WHAT I AM GOING TO DO —CALL ME PARTIAL ( OR EVEN STUPID ) I STILL GIVE MDN THE NOD OVER JOE –CHRISTMAS NEEDS MORE TIME TO TRULY EVALUATE —-BACK TO MDN —DELLY’S 1ST YEAR HE WAS ALSO A TERRIBLE SHOOTER / AVG… Read more »