Recap: Milwaukee 108, Cleveland 105 (or, the game of what-ifs)
2015-11-15Cleveland went to Milwaukee and battled back from an 11 point deficit with 6:33 to go, and forced overtime. Then, down four with two minutes left, they ended up in double overtime where they went up by three before falling to the Bucks. If any one of a dozen things had gone differently, the Cavs would have won. There were more what-ifs in this game than missed Cavalier free throws (and that’s a lot). Everyone had their share of regrets.
LeBron James: In 44 MVP minutes, LeBron scored 37, grabbed 12 boards (four offensive), blocked three shots, and dished five dimes. He looked spry, and his “back issues” appear to be a thing of the past. LeBron’s jumper was efficient too. He was 5-11 from three. The King was everywhere on offense and defense at the end of regulation and in the overtimes. At the end of the first OT, Bayless had managed to get by Matthew Dellavedova and looked to be about to score a game-winning layup before LeBron appeared from out of nowhere to obliterate it(click for video). But what if James had hit just one more free throw?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dQBe9l9eQE
LBJ was 6-12 on freebies. Even a single make might have won the game in regulation. An extra free throw in either one of the overtimes would have changed the calculus too. And LeBron’s seven turnovers were a part of 20 the Cavs had on the night. There was a lot of lazy passing and needle threading going on when simple ball movement would have had better results. What if LeBron hadn’t settled for a step-back 20-foot brick at the end of the first overtime? What if LeBron had boxed out MCW on this tip slam at the end of the first half or Greg Monroe on the Bucks’ final possession of the game? The Cavs were down three and needed a stop and a time out, but Greg got the O-Board and sealed the game. Did LeBron do a poor job of boxing out (as he sometimes does)? It’s hard to find fault, but even LeBron fails to take advantage of every opportunity.
Mo Williams had his worst game in his second stint as a Cavalier. It wasn’t so much the four points on 2-8 shooting, or the three turnovers, it was the fact that he played bullfighter defense for three and a half quarters. Mo was consistently beaten on dribble penetration by Michael Carter-Williams and Jarryd Bayless, and failed to close out on a couple of crucial Greivis Vasquez threes. I can live with the physical shortcomings that come with age, but Mo seemed to ignore the scouting report. He failed to go under the screen against MCW. Until the dude proves he can shoot, there’s absolutely no reason to chase the 2014 rookie of the year over a screen, which Mo did several times early on. Even when he did go under, Bucks guards were blowing by Mo when they came off the ball screen, getting to the rim easily. It set up easy opportunities for the Bucks and their big men all night. When Mo’s not scoring, his defense makes him a net negative.
Kevin Love had a fantastic first three quarters, scoring 22 points. Then he notched only one point in the fourth and in the two overtimes. He did grab 14 rebounds for the game, and helped execute a couple fantastic buckets for LeBron, including this one where he chipped Giannis just enough on the hand-off screen to free LeBron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ohsGgr4JU4
But Love also went up weakly on crucial shot attempt down low in the first overtime, and got stuffed by MCW. That missed bucket was probably a game winner. Love played center in the Cavs super small lineup that dominated crunch time and the two OTs. The Cavs failed to set him up consistently behind the three-point line, but Love missed when he did get the ball late. His two free-throw misses loomed large too. There was a lot of teeth gnashing on the live thread about Love being “soft.”
Richard Jefferson was tremendous: coming off the bench to the tune of 14 points in 39 minutes (you read that last number right) despite an ankle inury. RJ went 3-6 from three, 5-10 from the floor, and had this gorgeous and-1 reverse layup to cut the lead to nine midway through the fourth. But, of course, he missed the free throw and was 1-3 from the stripe for the night. Jefferson also looked like he gave up on an inbounds play when the Cavs were down six in the first overtime. Unable to find anyone, RJ threw this bad pass that commenter Arch Stanton dubbed, “the double OT, b2b, I give up pass.” (In truth, Middleton made a pretty nice play to deflect the ball).
J.R. Smith sort of broke out of his slump. He had a couple big shots late, including an unexpected triple to cut the deficit from six to three with 27 seconds left. As a couple commenters noted, J.R. kept his head in the game and had a solid floor game despite shooting 4-14, including 9 rebounds, and two blocks that were both spectacular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4PGZ7EXy74
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4toYPGO_LBk
Matthew Dellavedova played good defense, and if you could combined him with Mo, you’d have the perfect player. The Bucks consistently isolated Bayless on Delly late, and Delly held his own and the Cavs got the stop every time (though one was due to LeBron’s ridiculous block). But despite leading the team in assists with seven, Delly was 0-3 from the floor with four turnovers.
Tristan Thompson: It’s hard not to think “he got paid $84 million for this?” Six points and four rebounds in 24 minutes… TT’s game check was $174,390.24. Don’t start mathing. You’ll be disappointed with the results.
Timofey Mozgov was 1-5 from the floor, but 6-6 from the free throw line (the only Cav who shot over 67%). He also added three blocks in his 15 minutes. He didn’t see the floor much late as the Cavs went with their small lineup of Mo, RJ, JR, LJ, and Kevin Love. The Cavs could have used Timo’s D late, and perhaps he’d have helped control the rebounds.
David Blatt made some interesting choices. It’s hard to find fault with the small-ball lineup that kept the Cavs competitive late. And David drew up some great in-bounds plays that led to easy baskets thoughout the game. But the Cavs seem to be unprepared for inbounds situations that don’t come out of a timeout. The turnover that R.J. committed in the second OT seemed indicative of the Cavs not being prepared for those types of situations. Blatt was uninvolved in the Game’s most controversial play, but several of his assistants were.
The Officials mostly called a good game. But at the end of the first overtime, after LeBron’s block on Jarryd Bayless, the Cavs had 7.4 seconds to get the ball up the floor against a “relaxed” Bucks defense. According to LeBron, the plan was “if we get a stop, then go ahead and go, because they might expect us to call a timeout.” Unfortunately, most of the Cavs bench called a timeout (ESPN’s David McMEnamin reports).
According to the NBA rulebook, a timeout can be granted only to either the head coach or one of the players checked into the game when the ball is dead or in control of the team making the request…
A video replay showed at least five members of the Cavs — Kevin Love, Mo Williams, assistant coaches Jim Boylan and Larry Drew, as well as athletic trainer Stephen Spiro — all signaling for timeout from the bench after LeBron James blocked Jerryd Bayless’ layup attempt with 9.9 seconds remaining in overtime and the score tied 96-96.
No one on the floor nor coach Blatt called timeout, but head official Marc Davis granted a timeout and offered this lame double talk to explain himself.
I blew the whistle with 7.4 seconds because I was in my action refereeing the play, and off to the side I heard Cleveland’s bench ask for a timeout… I granted them the timeout, at which I looked at the head coach David Blatt and realized that he hadn’t asked for the timeout. [I] made an inadvertent whistle, which allowed the offensive team to call a timeout, and, in fact, they wanted a timeout and asked for a timeout.
As David Blatt noted post-game, “Look, we all make mistakes, but that’s a bad mistake.” Unfortunately, David Blatt’s bench was complicit in calling timeouts behind his back (again) and their ignorance of the Cavs’ plan was a big communication issue. What if Cleveland had been able to rush the ball up the court? Who knows what would have happened.
Had Cleveland just made one of their missed free throws (17-27), or just boxed out on one more defensive rebound, they might have won this one. The Bucks flushed at least two tip slams and grabbed 15 offensive rebounds overall. Had Cleveland not given up 26 points on 21 team turnovers, they might have prevailed, too. What if just one more person could have scored?
What hurts worse than the loss is the fact that Cleveland gave a big boost of confidence to a 4-5 Bucks squad that is now sitting at .500. Greg Monroe(16 points, 17 boards) and John Henson (3 blocks in 21 minutes) are gonna do what they do, but Greivis Vasquez (13 points 4-8 from the field) got out of his slump, Chris Middleton (3 huge steals) started playing up to his contract, and Jabari Parker (12 points) had some enormous dunks to boost his confidence too. The Cavs played to MCW’s (17 points, four dies) strengths instead of forcing him to be a jump-shooter. Cleveland will regret giving the Bucks a shot in the arm, both in the standings, and possibly in this year’s playoffs. You never want to let an inferior team think they can beat you. If you do, they might start considering the what-ifs.
Missed this one due to being out of town. Seems like a lot of mistakes were made but nothing that can’t be fixed. You know Lebron and Blatt will replay this game in their heads. The Cavs are still leading the East and that’s what matters right now.
So close… The timeout call was huge. Blatt never plays Mozgov late when he’s tired (like a back to back game). He just doesn’t, so quit asking for him to. It was the same all last year, including the playoffs. I bet he would play Sasha Kaun before he puts Mozzie back in there. We really missed Shump for this one. My only complaint is the play coming out of the non-timeout timeout, This is the one situation where a long two is preferable to a deep three. I’d rather see one of the guards take the inbounds and hit… Read more »
He didn’t play big mins the game before. It was only 15 mins in Bucks game.
A piece on Joey Crawford on NBATV. He talks at the end in detail on telling Mosgov to shut up in the Finals. He said he knew he was wrong when he did and Lebron ran immediately over to tell me that. He had his back. He said he regretted it and the NBA did indeed fine him.
Whoa! I’ve been saying the same thing as Cuban. I know I’m going to get a lot of “you’re full of it” but I watch a lot of NBA games and I’m seeing some of this.
These struggling Eastern teams are figuring it out and have gotten better.
I’ve been thinking this all season, too. I’m looking forward to hoping the Raptors can hand GS their first loss. I’m still not worried about getting out of the East though.
JUST THROWING OUT A “WHAT IF ” —-NOTICING TYLER ZELLER NOT GETTING ALOT OF PLAYING TIME WITH THE CELTS —WOULD YOU MAKE A TRADE FOR HIM FOR LET’S SAY ANDERSON / AND SMOKIN JOE — WOULD YOU EVEN WANT TYLER ZELLER BACK ( I ALWAYS LIKED HIM / THOUGHT HE WOULD BE A GOOD / SERVICEABLE ( NOT GREAT ) PLAYER—-ALSO (KNOW WE DISCUSSED RECENTLY ) DWIGHT POWELL IS CURRNETLY AVG DOUBLE / DOUBLES WITH DALLAS IN ABOUT 20-25 MINUTES/ GAME ——–DO YOU HEAR THAT T.T. ?
Jason Lloyd @JasonLloydABJ 2h2 hours ago
League admits to blowing 4 calls late in #Cavs-Bucks game, 3 of which went against Cavs:
http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-cavaliers/cleveland-cavaliers-1.275356/league-admits-to-blowing-four-calls-late-in-cavs-bucks-game-three-of-which-went-against-cavs-1.640775
I think one of the things we have to look at is that LeBron’s illegal screen was considered, by the league, to be legal. I don’t know about you guys but I thought that looked illegal and an awful lot like most screens set by the Warriors. If this is considered legal, i will have to adjust what I look for on illegal screens.
Most of the screens set in the NBA are really illegal. It’s pointless to complain about it anymore – it’s akin to complaining about guys traveling.
I want us to do the same screens Draymond Green gets to do. If this is now allowed (wink, wink) then let’s do it!
Interesting.
I thought the J.R. traveling call was bad because he didn’t have control of the ball as he was falling during the rebound. But the LeBron screen looked illegal to me. He kinda leaned into MCW.
There was a horrible charge call on LeBron in the second half
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Really good writeup, Nate, as usual. It’s annoying to lose any game when you got to double OT. I thought it was TT’s worst game since his first game back – for the most part, he’s been really good, but was mostly invisible here, when they could have really used him. Too bad LBJ didn’t end it earlier, or drive and pass to someone else to end it.
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I went to Liberty Ballers to read their thread on this air biscuit of a ‘rumor’, and have to admit I laughed at this comment:
“Would love to see him on the Kings or Lakers. He’d be a good fit there.”
Just seems like Dion will inevitably be on the Kings one day soon. It’s like some sort of NBA natural law.
I can’t see him ever being on a Bryon Scott team. He’s not that stupid
They’ll get rid of him and hire Rambis, Jamaal Wilkes, Magic, or Shaq soon.
He’s actually finally playing better. He has to! Contract year. His fg%45%, 3P%50%, FT%88% 11ppg,3.6rebs pg low turnovers. Dion has a huge ego and has tweeted he wants to be on a NBA championship team . Has said he wants to stay OKC.
Honestly, until the last few minutes of the fourth quarter, the Cavs played like they didn’t give a flyin’ hoot about the game at all. They are playing in 2nd and 3rd gear for the last two weeks. And even then they almost beat the Bucks, as they’ve beat everyone during that time.
A loss is a loss, but this game meant way more to the Bucks than it did to the Cavs. Bucks are a far lesser team.
Bucks fans were cheering wildly all night. At least that group went home happy.
In any close game, a thousand thing could have gone either way and changed the game. So, Oh well.
I have only one complaint. In a second night of a back to back, with Mo obviously tired and way below par, why did MDN only get three and a half minutes? They needed the energy.
“Had Cleveland just made one of their missed free throws (17-27), or just boxed out on one more defensive rebound, they might have won this one.”
The word ‘might’ carries a lot of assumptions along with it. –post hoc, ergo propter hoc– Just because a scoring opportunity is missed at point A, does not mean all the ensuing events would have unfolded the same way had the scoring attempt been successful.
The Cavs have not quite jelled yet into 48m beast form.
I really like that we are gutting out wins though. LeBron and Love in particular are fighting hard. I just think Love was gassed by the end and TT was ineffective.
We’re actually defending for the most part, too. Night and day from last year, even if we aren’t yet seeing the Death Star
Kudos Nate for gutting out a great recap to an extended game on a night when you weren’t feeling well. I completely missed this one due to family commitments, and I’m kind of glad I did because the free throw issue would probably have driven me insane… Well, 8-2 is where I thought this team would be, and it could have easily been 10-0… Pretty impressive for a team missing its entire starting back court… Not worried about the Bucks getting confidence… clearly (from what I saw on the replay) they were all jacked up to play the reigning EC… Read more »
Yeah, what was with Vasquez? Is there some historical reason that might explain why he felt the need to do a victory lap of the court?
JR did play good defense. He & Mosgov had a sandwich defensive play going at times. I do think it was intentional to get JR heav
Got cut off. Get Jr heavy minutes to get him out of that slump. Hopefully we will see JR shoot lights out next game
JR looked committed on defense and also made a huge steal (and call for time out)late in the game….big turnover. If he consistently plays this well on D he will be a big plus.
Nice write up
Klove is so unathletic. Very frustrating to watch him get stuffed on layups. Every. Single. Game.
Never understand why coaches just seem to stick with the same lineups thru OTs. A fresh Mozgov would have been huge in 2OT
Missed magnum this game – they were trapping a ton and he would have split those and opened up the floor
My biggest problem with this game was the heavy minutes for the vets on the second of a back to back. Don’t care about this loss at all. Had GS been playing this bucks team last night instead of brooklyn, they would’ve lost as well. We’ve lost two games to two EC playoff teams by a total of 5 points, one in double OT. We’ll have the first seed, we’ll wipe floor with the EC. If we lose to the bucks in the playoffs with a healthy roster after a day of rest, I’ll be worried. HOWEVER, the free throw… Read more »
If we lose to the Bucks in the playoffs, I’ll be so stinkin’, fallin’ down drunk to feel anything.
They will not regret losing this game. Current pace is 65 wins. Without Irving and shumpert and half of mozgov
Didn’t say they would. Said they’d regret giving the Bucks confidence.
They will not. The bucks are no match for this Cavs team. Whenever the Cavs need to they can destroy this bucks team.
Yea I don’t think they’ll regret it one bit. Bucks are going to struggle to just make the playoffs.
Eh. 80-2. No problems at all the main part of the team look great.
Thank you for writing on a beautiful Sunday. My head was literally exploding at Blatt’s line-ups simultaneously when the rest of America was on Rhonda Rousey’s knockout.”Nooooooo!” I was getting killed on twitter & elsewhere on making the same comments of Blatt needed to put in Mosgov late due to an exhausted Cavs team from back to backs and OT. He was effective enough to be disruptive enough on slowing down the paint points. Mozzy’s blocks were awesome. Cavs seem to forget this team led in causing opponents’ turn overs. There was a good run in the first half that… Read more »
If I have a knock on Blatt it’s that he doesn’t manage minutes well in double overtimes. Mozgov late would have been helpful.
Even a taste of Andy or MDN would’ve been useful.
And no plays were run for KLove, who was having a decent night.
I have to agree. I don’t remember how many times Cavs have had 2 OT’s in the past. Kidd sure subbed his guys to keep them going. He knew our guys were exhausted and being a former NBA player himself. He had some cool things to say about RJ and the process of a young NBA player with incredible energy but low on IQ to an older NBA player, higher IQ but limited in physical attributes. It seem to apply in this game hours after he said it.
Actually the Cavs made 7 substitutions in the OT’s to the Bucks 4, and one of them was because Greek Freak fouled out. Every team plays there best in OT, it’s only 5 minutes with plenty of time outs. The Cavs held the Bucks to 38 in the 2nd half and 8 in first OT (which is about 19 over a qtr), I mean really, what more do you want or expect on the back end of a road back to back that the other team had 3 days rest, and played this game like it was their Super Bowl.… Read more »
I’m not talking about a quick sub for only 1 play here and there on Delly and TT. No one on the Bucks team played more than 45 mins. . It’s more than a fair argument that our guys needed a breather especially in 2 OT’s and a back to back. . Mosgov played less than half the mins than their center thus putting more pressure on the rest of the team . I’m not sure why you think anyone is trashing the Cavs here. Just sayin they needed a little rest. No one wants these guys hurt .
Not trashing, just commenting on how it’s human nature to nitpick away at a loss, but if the shot falls, praise away at a win. It’s the exact same game except for the ball going in instead of out. As far as minutes, we can go round and round on that, and probably will over the year. After game Lebron said he felt great, and would’ve gone longer if necessary. Mo is in great shape, having lost weight off season, and Coach Blatt said Love is in great shape during the preaseason. JR sure looked fine. I don’t know how… Read more »