The Point Four-ward: Heavy Rotation
2015-12-30If you haven’t yet, check out Cory’s recap of last night’s game. Then, it’s on to…
Four points I’m thinking about the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) Following their Christmas Day loss to the Warriors, James raised some eyebrows when he made comments that were interpreted as a call for greater clarity from the rotations used by head coach David Blatt.
The Cavaliers roster, now at full strength for the first time all season, is going through some understandable growing pains as Blatt figures out which combinations work best together, who he can trust going forward and, ultimately, which Cavaliers might see their regular minutes disappear. Luckily, unlike this time last season, James has been understanding of the challenges his coach faces in shuffling what most believe to be a very stacked deck.
“It’s an adjustment period,” James said. “It’s not just going to happen – you plug a guy in there, plug two guys in there and it automatically happens. It’s going to be an adjustment period, but we’ll be fine.”
However, that sentiment — that the Cavs will “be fine” — is growing less and less universal. Even before the re-additions of Kyrie Irving and Iman Shumpert, some had begun questioning the depth and versatility that were near-universally lauded headed into the season.
I have a really hard time figuring out how good of a TEAM the Cavs put around LeBron. Kyrie, Love obviously great. Just overall.
— Hardwood Paroxysm (@HPbasketball) December 5, 2015
2.) Questions about this team as a whole will linger until they rip off a stretch of sustained dominant play and, to this point, they have not. Their wins have all come a little more difficultly than most thought and the losses, while there have not been many, have too often been characterized by big lapses in effort and focus (see: Trailblazers, Portland).
Still, James is right to preach a degree of patience. He’s correct when he says that the NBA is not a plug-and-play league which, fair or not, is what Blatt has had to face recently. As of this writing, in the nine games since Shumpert’s return (which marked the start of the Cavs having most of their expected bodies available on game days), these have been the rotation’s biggest challenges and question marks.
December 11 at the Orlando Magic: Shumpert returns and everyone (yes, even Sasha Kaun) gets playing time as the Cavs roll 111-76 win.
December 15 at the Boston Celtics: Shumpert gets re-injured, Jared Cunningham’s strong stretch of play is rewarded with a DNP-CD and the Cavs pull away late for a 89-77 win.
December 17 hosting the Oklahoma City Thunder: No Shumpert or Mo Williams. Cunningham plays and ties Tristan Thompson for a team best +13 as the Cavs win 104-100.
December 20 hosting the Philadelphia 76ers: Kyrie Irving returns and scores 12 points! Shumpert returns. Mo sits again. Everyone else (including Sasha Kaun) gets run as the Cavs blow out the Sixers 108-86.
December 23 hosting the New York Knicks: Williams returns, but gets only 14 minutes behind Irving and Matthew Dellavedova. Irving struggles. Richard Jefferson logs just four minutes. Cunningham DNP. Cavs eek out a 91-84 victory.
December 25 at the Golden State Warriors: Irving struggles. Shumpert struggles with his shot. Mozgov struggles with just about everything. Williams gets just four minutes. Jefferson DNP. Cunningham DNP. Cavs lose 89-83.
December 26 at the Portland Trailblazers: Irving sits. No one else comes to play, so the bench gets plenty of use. Jefferson is tops off the bench with 10 points in 25 minutes.
December 28 at the Phoenix Suns: Irving scores 22 points in his best game since returning. Mozgov is moved to the bench. Jefferson plays 19 minutes. Williams and Cunningham DNP as Irving and the Cavs hold off the floundering Suns 101-97.
December 29 at the Denver Nuggets: Irving sits — reportedly, the final time he will sit out the second game of back-to-backs. Shumpert is the big minutes man off the bench logging 31 (and contributing 16 points to go with a couple of assists and steals). Williams, Timofey Mozgov and Jefferson were next in line with 18, 15 and 12 minutes respectively. In all, the Cavs went nine deep, James rediscovered his shot and the Cavs won 93-87.
3.) Is the rotation reliable, at this point? Absolutely not. Might it be difficult for players like Williams, Jefferson and Cunningham to find their rhythm? Of course. But Blatt’s been dealing with what seems like (and often is) a different group of available guys in the back court each and every game.
The team’s inconsistency hasn’t just been about player availability. It’s been a bit of a crap shoot for Blatt figuring out what he can expect to get from a player on a particular night. Until Irving round fully back into form, questions will linger about what the Cavs will be able to get out of their point guard, shooting guard and small forward positions on a given night. Add to that the fact that Shumpert has made his mark in this league (and on this team) on the defensive end and has never been a reliable offensive threat. He can impact a game, sure, but someone off the bench still needs to score some points. Making matters worse is that Williams is a combined -25 with one DNP in the team’s last five games.
Minutes — especially of the bench players — will fluctuate depending on the match-ups and based on who, on a particular night, might be feeling it. Of all of their players, Cunningham and Anderson Varejao are the most likely to not see the floor for a couple of games and then be dusted off and asked to bring a spark off the bench in others.
Mo Williams and Richard Jefferson, on the other hand, were brought in to be part of this team’s regular rotation and both will be expected to contribute regularly (and positively) if the Cavs are to be considered truly deep and versatile. If not… then, yes, GM David Griffin’s off-season team building will rightly get called into question.
4.) Finally, the game of basketball lost one of its true legends with the passing of legendary Harlem Globetrotter Meadowlark Lemon on Monday.
Many people forget just how instrumental the Globetrotters were to building interest in basketball both around this country and around the world. In his recent book about the ABL’s Cleveland Pipers, Plain Dealer columnist Bill Livingston writes about how the ABL and ultimately the NBA owe much their survival to the Globetrotters. Globetrotters owner (and ABL commissioner) Abe Saperstein would schedule double-headers featuring a contest between two “legit” teams and another featuring the Globetrotters. Crowds would come out to see the Globetrotters and, while many would leave before the second half of the card, some casual fans would linger, eventually gaining an appreciation for the nascent game of professional basketball.
Lemon was the face of the Globetrotters — its reigning showman and “clown prince” — for 24 years. At 6-3 he even played center for one year, while another young phenom — 7-1 Wilt Chamberlain — played guard. Lemon and the ‘Trotters also played a complicated roll in Civil Rights Era America, drawing just as much criticism as praise for on-court antics that many viewed as reviving the racist tradition of minstrel shows. Still, the Globetrotters of Meadowlark Lemon were a draw long before the NBA figured out how to be one on its own. By the time Lemon retired from the Globetrotters in 1978, professional basketball had weathered its rocky early years and the NBA was about to welcome a pair who would be for the NBA what Lemon had been for the Globetrotters: Earvin “Magic” Johnson and Larry Bird.
If you’re interested in some independent study on the Globetrotters, here’s a short documentary I found on their history, complete with footage of some of Lemon’s jaw-dropping, knee-slapping moves:
This season, so far, is like last season with a different cast of characters. I’m just waiting for the switch to be flipped where the Cavs become dependable defensive demons, and, they go into their offense with speed enough to quickly present the fundamental challenge: opponents can’t double team two or three deities at once. Obviously, the shooting needs to improve against the elite opponents. If GS, SA, and the CAVS stay healthy, any of the three might win it all. In noting so, for the first time this season, I remind: blustery predictions are cheap, actually playing and winning… Read more »
How is Dellavedova +12.9 per 100 when the Cavs are only +4.9 per game. He does play with Lebron about 70% of his minutes with Lebron but that really not that much. Since Lebron plays about 75% of the time and Delly is a point and a half better than Bron
How many different starting lineups have the Cavs used in only 30 games? I can count 4 with Mo at point. JR, RJ, and JC all started games with the Moz, Love LBJ front court. 4 with Delly at the point. JC and JR both started the 2. RJ and LBJ both started at the 3. TT and Moz both started at the 5. 2 with Irving TT and Moz both started the 5. And Shump still hasn’t started a game yet. I’m probably missing a few too. Did JC start a game at point? Did RJ ever start with… Read more »
We will have to be a little more patient with line-ups now that everyone is back. I agree with the podcast that Blatt should get these bench players in to get better. A short rotation makes no sense. A DNP Jefferson is dumb
I disagree. I think once Irving is in you shorten it for a couple weeks to get the chemistry back then start expanding it again.
For January I think theres no need for Mo or JJ to to play.
Irving Delly Shump JR LBJ TT Love Moz and RJ is already a big rotation
I never put a time line there. Did you assume I meant a month? I was actually thinking Cavs could do it 2-3 weeks. Now, I do see logic having a shorter rotation gradually expanding to longer. I don’t think Blatt does that. He got a lot of flack for that extremely short rotation at Golden State from none other than Lebron. It did contribute to having them completely exhausted in Portland game. It will be interesting to see what happens to Mo. I think he will find him some mins especially on the back to backs. I am anxious… Read more »
I don’t think we disagree that much. But a 9 man rotation isn’t short. And if Mo and Cunningham are getting minutes that a ton of guards. I’d like to see Andy get up to 8-10 minutes a game eventually but that can wait
I wasn’t implying for Cunningham to get minutes. I was wondering if the Cavs keep him.
In other news, Warriors down 20 and Spurs up 30.
Well there is no Curry so no one is surprised
Is kind of the same when you take LeBron out of the lineup. That’s why I admire Coach Pop the Spurs can sit Parker or Leonard and they will still compete at a high level because their offensive system is not based on just one or two guys.
They still only won one title in the last 8 years. And they are probably done winning titles for the time being. They can’t get past the Warriors or Cavs. Both teams will smoke them.
I would put my money on the Spurs against both the Warriors and Cavs specially the Cavs. But that’s just my opinion.
And we won what in the last 52 years? They’ve been contenders ever since Duncan arrived and likely will still be when he retires.
Spurs will smoke the Warriors, I hope not since we will smoke the Warriors too. But way ore worried about them
Spurs will most likely break down a bit in the playoffs, after long season and multiple tough playoff rounds. If back-up point guard play is strong or Parker is healthy, watch out. The fact that the west is weaker this year is good for them, though.
Playoffs this year are going to be best since the 1980s.
Glad to see LeBron not fading too much on his jump shots but IMO that’s just part of the issues he is having with his jumper. I think the mental part plays a big part too and is kind of the same situation with his FT shooting. When he is not focus on his shot it affects it negatively.
Let’s hope he keeps work in on it and it would be great if he can get it be as close as were it was back on 2013.
I don’t think LeBron’s jumper is broken. He just needs to get back to whatever it was that he was going back with the Heat. His FG % improved every year on both 3 point fg’s and in.
Maybe he has too many distractions off the court that he didn’t have with the Heat. Just saying.
It is broken. But it’s fixable. Not too late to change some of his shot elements. Kobe did it late in his career. MJ did.
I agree with you but I meant is that his jumper is not totally broken (like for the rest of his career). I think he changes his shooting form too much. Sometimes he fades to his left too much or sometimes he jumps too high etc.
He need to try to stay with the same shooting form.
Are any of you actually concerned about the Cavs? These guys will be the best team in the NBA in 3 months and thats what matters. Lebron and Love are both healthier than they were last year. They are both in terrible shooting slumps, my guess is they are getting used to smaller bodies since they have both lost a ton of weight in the last 18 months, but I have little doubt they will get better. Irving is GREAT player and we haven’t had him yet. If Shump and Delly are hitting 3’s we won’t be beatable. GSW will… Read more »
I understand being a fan. Diehard fan. But most of your statements are false. Especially about GS and San Antonio.
Case in point, SA is up on the Suns at half right now 61-33. It’s at San Antonio, true, but the Cavs didn’t exactly destroy that Suns team a couple of days ago. The Cavs big worry may well be injuries, but the same is true of the Warriors and Spurs. Both of those teams are juggernauts if healthy.
No I’m not being a homer. You guys are being clevelanders. Remember the first few weeks of the season when the entire Spurs team was healthy but they were integrating Aldridge and people were concerned about them? It was real and it happened and it was beyond absurd. The same thing is going on with the Cavs. Not only have they started different 3 pgs, 3 different SG’s, and 2 different centers this year all because of injuries but there 2 best available players have been going through serious shooting slumps and yet they are clearly the best team in… Read more »
What does being a clevelander mean? Being negative? Eff wid that.. Im letting Cols pass with the ridiculous statenents he’s saying but i see that some if you are smoking the same thing too. Aldridge is already doing well now tho not the same as the one in portland. In two months being a Spur. I dont think I need to elaborate Kev in his 17 months so far. See the difference? Who’s scared of Golden State? San Antonio? Im not scared of any team. I dont care about them. But to say were gonna DISMANTLE them is insane. We… Read more »
Maybe I’m stating it with a bit confidence. And sure I can be wrong but I’m not even a little worried about GS beating us if both teams are healthy. The Spurs I overstated it. But If you guanteed me that both teams would enjoy good health the rest of the season I would wager an entire pay check on the Cavs vs GS. My point is that Alridge took time to gel on a team with the best chemistry and coach in the NBA. Love is coming off a shoulder surgery on a team that has had tons of… Read more »
We slowed Golden State down gave them much problems any team had. Without being a 100% as a team. Then you guys guarantee things already. Thats the thing that is silly.
I would like to say and I am being very careful For his birthday and beyond. I would want Lebron to know how much we support him, love him and will rally around him. As an Ohioan, I am grateful to have a person like Lebron that cares so much for the poor and is and has been a role model for kids for years. That support is real and genuine. Happy Birthday Lebron and many more!
I hope the rest of you are voting for our very own Aussie for the All-Star game!
Nope. He’s actually useful this year. But he’s not an all star.
Hater……………………..
ALL: the gossip piece Comment/link from earlier has been taken down. We generally don’t link to unsubstantiated gossip about players and their personal lives. If the piece gets traction, we’ll discuss it, but we don’t want this to become the seedy rumor blog. Apologies that I had to delete some of your comments.
Probably a good idea. No sense going there when there isn’t any evidence.
But now how will we know if Hornacek blames it on Delly?
LoL well there is video and audio evidence of that especially when Delly acknowledge how much SHump and him look alike,
If media members begin to discuss this then I’ll be concerned. But I haven’t heard anything except from this bizarre website.
Really hope this is false since both of these guys just became Dads very recently.
There is something weird going. JR is burning twitter up with statements about how he should be allowed to go out past midnight and nothing wrong with having fun with a girl. He doesn’t mention Shump of Kyrie though. Seems like there is some unsavory fake news people out there trying to stir things up. I am heartbroken on the unfair attacks on Lebron on twitter in regards to Rice verdict. Lebron has been wondeful beacon and charitable to the African American community for years . He is not an elected official. I hate seeing this.
THat link does not seem legit. No way am I clicking on it.
I hope it’s bs too. Here’s the copy. There are screen shots of multiple texts as well. Although they could be fake as well. Last night NBA Ballers Iman Shumpert and Kyrie Irving attempted to have a threesome in Denver Colorado with our source. Iman Shumpert planned to meet our source in Denver to have sex and to give her tickets to his game. Fameolous.com never sent any decoy to get Iman despite the media articles last week. The source came to us after Iman Shumpert followed her and she told us that he contacted her through Instagram. We then… Read more »
A bit off-topic, but one of the funniest quotes I’ve heard in a long time came from Delly, when Hornacek ranted about Delly making an illegal screen late in the Suns game, when it was really Shump who was involved: “I mean, I guess me and Shump look pretty similar,” Dellavedova said.
I saw that and laughed too. Delly gives fewer craps than anyone in the league. He just works his but off and plays his best. Does what the coach wants, helps his teammates, and completely shuts out the rest. I’ve never seen a player so disinterested in others’ perceptioni of him.
He’s been pretty bad the last couple of games. I hope the Delly is better thing wasn’t a mirage.
I hope the Lebron has a jump shot again wasn’t a mirage.
I agree. What a gem! I hope he gets paid well next year…he deserves it.
Something that surprises visitors to Australia is the level of informality, and vice versa when we visit UK / USA we are surprised by the higher level of formality – you won’t here a “sir” or “ma’am” here. It was no surprise to me that Delly fronted the post-game finals media sessions last year in a hoodie whilst his teamates were wearing their bling. I was initially surprised at the reaction to this in the US media, but recognised it for that it was. It’s nice at least to see this being seen as a positive here on CtB. It’s… Read more »
Delly’s starting to sound like Yogi Berra!
On the Globetrotters, you can probably make a case that by presenting a “safe” version of the black game, they helped basketball evolve from the old-time, strait-laced game to the mainstream success of Dr. J and Michael Jordan and alley oops and dunk contests. Sort of like Elvis and Motown helped music get from Pat Boone to P-Funk. And their success in opening those doors made them less relevant in the end. On last night’s game, a special thanks to Hunter Thompson for joining the live thread under Cols’ handle. Did they play the second half? I didn’t even notice… Read more »
Drunk Cols is the best Cols.
Sorry about that, I was ridding my fridge of beers.
No apology needed. I spent the second half literally laughing out loud. Just hope you were ok at work today.
I was wondering what was up with the long discussion on Cheetos. LoL It was funny.
I just had a thought – Lebron has been struggling mightily with his jump shot for a while. Yesterday, in the thin air of Denver, his shot was falling. Is it as simple as LBJ is not putting enough arc/lift on his shots? That his slowly declining athleticism is taking an inch or two of lift off his shot and he isn’t compensating for that in other ways? I wish I was a physicist and could calculated the difference between Cleveland and Denver air and if the angle and force behind his shots created that much change.
IANAP, but no, the air difference wouldn’t add any significant lift. What does add significant lift is jumping straight up instead of to the side at a 10 degree angle =)
Good point. I just saw from Jason Lloyd that LBJ had seen he wasn’t squaring up before jumping and tried to correct it last night. So there goes my theory.
Yes. He went up straighter. Dude is a good shooter when he remembers to go up straight.
And I’m a good driver when I remember to not drive on the sidewalk.
I don’t think it’s all that hard to not drive on the sidewalk.
But it’s hard for an NBA player to go up straight?? My point is, I think there’s more to it than just that. As to what, I don’t know.
Rotations seem fine to me. The less we see of Kaun and Andy the better.
Thanks for the remembrance of Meadowlark Lemon. I remember being much more excited as a kid to see the Globetrotters than any other sporting event we went to. Blatt has a tough conundrum with the minutes. Its difficult to manage players because they all have preferences that don’t just fit into a mathematical equation. Some guys need regular minutes to remain effective, some guys can’t play too much, there are egos to deal with, game shape, limit restrictions, injuries, recovery time, and, of course, matchups with opponents. It really falls on the players to remain ready and learn to do… Read more »
Good stuff Robert. I’ll say that even with some of the rotation struggles this team is WAY better than last year’s squad. The end of the bench is useful unlike the Perk, Haywood, Matrix, Smokin Joe, Miller lineup Blatt was forced to stomach all year. The only question mark piece is Kaun. MDN has shown he can played when called on. Jefferson is definitely helping. Who knows what Andy is but he’s not really hurting them. I think they are in good shape with 3.5 more months of warmup