The Point Four-ward: Bench Pressed
2016-02-05Four points I’m thinking about the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) Since taking over for David Blatt two weeks ago, much of head coach Tyronn Lue’s mission has been jiggling the cables connecting the three biggest pieces of the Cavs’ home entertainment system — LeBron James, Kyrie Irving, and Kevin Love — in an attempt to find that perfect HD-quality picture, that rich Dolby surround sound, the foundation-shaking bass that was promised on the outside of the system’s box.
On the whole, Lue’s insistence that his two transition maestros — James and Irving — play a more downhill, attacking style has helped. At least, it’s helped James, Irving and Love. James, who seems to have sealed his jump shot in a time capsule sometime back in early 2014 (maybe we’ll see it again in 2024? Or 2064?), has been able to convert buckets against an unsettled defense or pass off to teammates who find themselves wide open as the result of the defense collapsing to try to stop James.
The same has been true for Irving, who has been able to bring the score-first mentality to the court that suits him.
And it’s been great for Love, who now finds himself the recipient of wide-open look after wide-open look. This action has helped Love start games out strong and has led to his most impressive stretch of games (his 4-12 shooting performance for 12 points in the team’s 106-97 loss to the Hornets in Charlotte Wednesday night not withstanding) since becoming a Cavalier last year.
Problem solved, right?
Right??
2.) Well…
The elevation of Tyronn Lue to the (extra padded) head coaching chair hasn’t had quite the same invigorating effect on all of the Cavaliers. All the focus on the team’s stars has obscured the fact that their bench has been positively feeble since Lue took over.
Take, for example, the play of Iman Shumpert.
Since the firing of Blatt, Shumpert has seen his minutes drop to an average of 19.5 per game, down from his season average of 24 minutes. In those same six games, Shumpert is averaging just 4.1 points per game and has scored five or more points only twice.
Now, it is true that — excluding last year’s Finals — Shumpert has never been called on to score as a member of the Cavaliers. He comes in and provides elite perimeter defense of the quick, slappy-hands variety and having a player like Shumpert fill that role and embrace it the way that Shumpert has (he rarely takes a shot just to get one up in the air) has been and will continue to be critical to the Cavs championship ambitions. But his drop in minutes is concerning when the team’s new head coach promised more defined roles and rotations and a further reach down the bench.
On a team devoid of a lot of offensive pop coming off the bench, it is extremely helpful to have Shumpert go off for 10-15 points every four or five games. Under Blatt, that’s exactly what Shumpert would do. Under Lue, though, Shumpert is taking just four shots per game as a shooting guard in nearly 20 minutes. Basically, if Delly isn’t on — and he was out on Wednesday nursing a sore hamstring — it’s tough to imagine the Cavs’ bench as it is currently being utilized — with Shumpert joining Dellevadova, Timofey Mozgov, and Richard Jefferson or Mo Williams — mustering up much, if anything, in the way of offensive life support for the starters.
This season, Shumpert is shooting 39% on corner threes, but is taking just one of those per game (which, yes, does make the high percentage a little suspect). Why not create action that gets him another attempt or two from those spots when he’s on the floor? Another couple of points from Shumpert isn’t the secret elixir that will morph the Cavs into a team impervious to all comers… but it — or a move like it — sure could add a shake of hot sauce (and, really, only just one shake) to a Cavs bench playing firmly in Blandland.
3.) In Lue’s first seven games, this is the way he’s handled his bench:
In his first game against the Chicago Bulls, Lue went 10 deep. Tristan Thompson was still coming off the bench and he, Dellavedova and Shumpert all played over 20 minutes and were joined by James Jones and Mo Williams with roughly six and three minutes, respectively. That unit contributed just eight points in more than 75 combined minutes.
Against the Timberwolves, Dellavedova scored 18 points in 25 minutes off the bench, while the other reserves — Shumpert, Mozgov and Williams — chipped in 13 points in 43 combined minutes.
The bench had, by far, their best game against the Phoenix Suns as Jefferson (who had been idle the previous two games) and Mozgov each reached double figures scoring 14 and 10, respectively.
Mozgov had another strong game against the Pistons scoring 12 points and pulling down eight boards. The other five Cavaliers who got off the bench chipped in just eight points in 51 combined minutes on the court.
Dellavedova had another strong game against the Spurs, notching 15 points, three assists and four boards. Four other Cavaliers combined for 11 points off the bench.
Then, in Monday’s game against the Pacers, Delly was held scoreless and the entire bench chipped in just ten points as Lue relied heavily on his starters in what was eventually an overtime win.
And in Wednesday’s loss, the bench scored 18 points but only Shumpert and Williams played more than nine minutes while, again, Lue leaned on the starters, even when they weren’t getting it done.
The bench isn’t devoid of talent, but it doesn’t have too many players outside of Dellavedova who are comfortable creating their own shot. They need someone to get them the ball in their spots. Sometimes that person has been James, but with Irving thinking “pass” less and Delly currently idle, the Cavs need to find their spark elsewhere.
4.) But maybe the bench’s help is on its way.
Since Lue was hired, he’s talked about getting Kevin Love more comfortable. That didn’t just mean getting him more touches — which he definitely has, as a result of Lue’s insistence that Irving and James play with an increased pace — but also getting him playing “like he did in Minnesota.”
Translation: Lue wants to run some of the offense through Love at the elbows, which was a mainstay in the playbooks of his most successful seasons as a member of the Timberwolves.
While Love has already benefited from the attention James and Irving draw when they attack more quickly, the 6-10 forward admitted recently that we haven’t seen many of the “Minnesota plays” implemented yet. When we do, the assumption has been that they will feature Love playing while James and Irving are resting. It might also mean that Cavs fans will get to see more of Love as a passer who can use the attention he draws to create opportunities for his teammates.
After all, there’s talent sitting on the Cavs bench that could give Love some Minnesota flashbacks. He excelled playing with a hulking center in Nikola Pekovic and a lanky defensive stopper in Corey Brewer. Could Love, maybe, develop that same chemistry with their Cavalier versions, Mozgov and Shumpert?
If Love continues to play as well as he has been playing almost exclusively with the starting unit, though, where would his minutes with the second unit come from?
For the Cavs, who have struggled to fully utilize Love since the moment he pulled on a wine and gold uniform, having too many options with their power forward is suddenly a great problem to have.
At least, Cavs fans better hope that’s the problem.
THE “MIGHTY ” QUINN HAS MADE THE ALLSTAR TEAM ( GRANTED I KNOW IT IS D-LEAGUE ) BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS MO IN TO” SWEETEN THE POT ” FOR A TRADE —I’M ALL IN —-QUINN CAN’T DO ANY WORSE THAN MO AS THE 3RD STRING PT GD/ DEFENSE WOULD BE MUCH IMPROVED —-JUST A THOUGHT
Uh-oh. The MVP will miss at least one more game.
Dave McMenamin @mcten 6m6 minutes ago
Matthew Dellavedova will miss his 2nd straight game with L hamstring soreness, per the Cavs.
2 game losing streak here we come!
Vey BAD news for the Cavs on a Hot Celtic team. Lue can’t coach another poor 3rd quarter especially without Delly.
I’m wondering if a nice losing streak would be (in the long run) a good thing for the Cavs.
Idk Perhaps Cunningham would be a better option to defend against Thomas. We won’t get much from his offense though.
Hopefully Lue works the rotations. Now is Mo’s chance to shine.
More was good on the O side of the ball averaging 15 pts. while Irving was out. At least that compensated for his weaknesses on the other side of the ball. Don’t know what’s happened to his sweet mid range jumper.
Delly walking around shirtless in the locker room in a FSOhio video post. If he practiced, he might play.
Predicition: if Delly doesn’t play, Celtics win, and it might even be by double figures.
The problem with the bench this year is the same as last year…. they can’t score. The best scorer off the bench is Mo, and he hasn’t been the same since the beginning of the year.
The way CLE is constructed… all of the big 3 have to excellent for CLE to maximize their scoring. They just don’t do it consistently enough.
Lue has to have one of the big 3 on the court at all times with the backups or there’s no focal point on the offensive end to initiate the offense.
Great stuff, Robert! Lue definitely needs to focus on getting the bench optimized…
In other news, Commissioner Silver has apparently come to his senses…
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14719848/adam-silver-says-changes-needed-hack-player-rule
I’m not pleased about the rule change. Shoot underhanded, problem solved.
I couldn’t be happier… hack-a-pocalypse is ruining the game…
They had a poll on NBA com and believe it or not, majority of people are against the change. Seems Silver cows down to media pressure more than previous commissioner .
Whatever it takes to get rid of an exploitation of the rules that worsens the viewing enjoyment…
Fans seem to like the 3-ball – guess we should move the line in?
Fans seem to like to watch Kobe Bryant – lets keep him playing!
Anyways you get the point; sometimes giving the fans what they want isn’t good for the long term structure of the game.
Actually, no… I don’t see the correlation… Both of those things are actually fun to watch… there’s ZERO entertainment value in watching teams grab a big man in the back court, and stopping the action to watch him try and shoot free throws…
We’ve been over this ad nauseam on this site…
And, by the way, there would be no game to watch without the fans…
You don’t find it entertaining when Delly or some other smaller guy jumps on the back of Drummond or DeAndre and rides them piggyback style for a few seconds? Thats gotta be somewhat entertaining to see that right?
Well yeah I know we’ve been over this ad nauseum at this site – isn’t that kind of the story on pretty much any topic we want to talk about? My simple point is that the Fans don’t always know what’s best for the game or even for their viewing enjoyment. If you like a 3 point shot, how about a 4 point shot? How about a 20 point shot? At some point the strategic depth of the game is reduced to a point where actually the whole game is less watchable (keep chucking the 20 point shot up there)… Read more »
I meant, I get tired of it being a topic of discussion. It’s a loophole perversion of the rules. I don’t watch NBA basketball to watch a laborious free throw parade. You call it strategy… I call it a lazy tactic that statistically doesn’t even bear out and work the majority of the time. It certainly backfired on the Cavs when Blatt tried to use it against Andre Drummond earlier this year.
It’s less of a rule change, and more of the closing of a ridiculous loophole… Good riddance I say. The game won’t change, and it won’t be missed…
And @ kibitz… no, I don’t find it entertaining with the piggyback move… it’s actually fairly dangerous and a good way to incur injury or on court confrontations…
I agree with you there that its a good way to incur injury. Especially Delly and his reputation. The first time I saw anyone do it was him and I was scared that the person he did it to (can’t recall exactly who it was now) was going to throw him off.
For the record I don’t like it either. But found it entertaining the other day when Drummond had a good laugh over it against PHI I think it was.
I figured that was coming. Eventually, people will do what makes sense, even if it takes them too long to see it.
Someone mentioned this on the last thread as well and you touched on it in the article, but I’d like to start seeing more sensible combinations of players. Kyrie + Mozgov. Delly + TT. KLove + Mozgov + Shump.
Trying to find players who are synergistic is something I’d like to see more of.
I think Shump deserves more minutes as does Mozgov.
Mo is a dumpster fire, but he did carry us through the early season so I appreciate his contributions.
Mo needs minutes and he isn’t getting them. RJ is a wunderkind who can just come in and play effectively after sitting for 3 games. He’s had that role for awhile now. This is Mo’s lowest career minutes since 2003 and it’s skewed by how much he played early on this season. I’m not advocating for him to get more but it’s clear that he needs to keep in rhythm to be effective. And if you trade him you need to bring another PG on for when Mr. Glass potentially goes down.
Mo Williams couldn’t defend my Grandmother, and my Grandmother’s been dead since 96
I’m sure, but he plays a position that needs some insurance.
I could almost look past that if he actually ran the offense, but he’s basically a crappy KI when he’s out there, just looking for his midrange jumpers.
I like it! Kyrie can get he most out of Mosgov than any other player on this team.
And Ky can benefit the most from Mozgovs defensive presence :)
Windhorst says on #HeyWindy that the #Cavs are one of the most active teams on the trade market right now.
Windy: “The #Cavs would love to get their hands on Jared Dudley….”
Dudley for Mo and a 2nd rounder….done and done.
Don’t think that works dollar wise. More like Mozgov or Mo and Cunningham and Kaun
I would trade Moz for him. I just don’t know why the Wiz would do that, and I think they very probably don’t. So it’s probably just a Griffen pipe dream.
I’m actually glad to hear this. Not because I think we necessarily NEED a piece but because I like that the front office is continuing the trend of consistently looking to improve.
I don’t know about making moves all the time at the trade deadline. It didn’t work out in Lebron 1.0 back when we’d take on bad contracts and swap out 20-30% of the roster in exchange for expiring bad contracts or guys who didn’t fit with Lebron. This is not something championship teams do constantly but it is something the Cavs with Lebron always seem to be doing and now with Lebron 2.0, interchangeable coaches have also been added to the mix. There’s something to be said for continuity and the entire team being on the same page for more… Read more »
I agree completely with kbitz. Why is it that when Lebron is on this team we trade away all of our assets? That makes no sense!! When LeBron was in Miami, they drafted Norris Cole at the bottom of the draft and he was a legit contributor to their championship runs. When Derrick Rose had his MVP year, the Bulls didn’t suddenly trade away all of their draft picks for veterans to “compete now” Instead that same year they drafted Jimmy Butler. The next year they drafted Tony Snell, then Mirotic, and now Portis. All of these players contribute now,… Read more »
There is nothing to suggest that Griffin is going to trade away players for terrible contracts. The last trades he made were spectacular.
He already has. They traded TWO first round picks for Mosgov. Now they wanna trade Mosgov.
They traded two CONDITIONAL first round picks, neither of which have been activated, and may ultimately turn into 2nd round picks.
With perfect hindsight to the Mozgov trade, I still do it if I could go back in time.
Are you suggesting teams are going to trade us good contracts and good players for our scrubs? Back in 1.0, I can’t recall all the trades and details but we would give up 3-5 players every year and take back Wally S., Delonte, Jamison, Shaq, Ben Wallace. Same with 2.0. We wanted Shump but had to take on JR which for once has actually worked out but NOBODY thought this was going to be the JR we’d be getting. And our ex-coach probably deserves a ton of credit for that. Moz plays less than 20 minutes a game and is… Read more »
Excellent, more players that won’t know how they fit in!
Jared Dudley, so the Big 3, TT or Moz, and Dudley???? That’s good? Or Dudley off the bench for who? Lebron for 3 MPG? It just seems like he’s destined to be taking JR’s minutes (JR who’s been one of the 2 best guys outside of the Big 3 for the Cavs).
Good post. I’m glad you wrote about Shump. I feel like he has regressed to his NYK years. But maybe it’s because he has no role yet in Lue’s rotations.
Shump was one of my favorite players last year because he always seemed to be involved in exciting activity on the court. This year I barely notice him — and when I do, it’s because he has a terrible handle and gets the ball poked loose.
I would love to see Shump guard a guy with Shump’s handle. What would be the steal percentage on those plays?