Recap: Hornets 106, Cavs 97 (or, Dig Your Own Hole)
2016-02-04“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times…” wait a minute… Do you guys ever get that sense of deja vu? Like you’re reliving the same day, or game over again? And, here I thought Groundhog Day was yesterday. Didn’t that finicky rodent see his shadow or something? Wasn’t there supposed to be good weather ahead? A fast-forwarding to Spring? Well, apparently someone forgot to tell the Cavaliers (and me for that matter), since I feel like I’m writing about the same kind of game they played the last time out… again. It’s hard to say what the cause of all this is… maybe their alarm woke them up too early to the dulcet sounds of “I Got You Babe!”… maybe the people at their hotel were too annoying… maybe Ned (Ned! You know… Ned Reyerson!) accosted them and they were too distracted to miss that icy puddle this time (watch out for that third quarter guys… it’s a doozy!). In any event, the only real difference between Monday’s game and last night’s game was the outcome. I guess some holes are harder to dig out of than others…
Well, what if there is no tomorrow? There wasn’t one today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK4Heo06NXs
Instead of rehashing the full blow-by-blow of this one, since it was so eerily similar to Monday’s contest with the Pacers, here’s a general overview with a couple of highlights that stood out…
The Cavs got off to another hot start shooting the ball, hitting their first three shots, and seven of their first 10 attempts. The only real difference was that Kevin Love wasn’t quite as red hot as he had been for the previous few games, making only 2-6 in the first quarter. Still, they took an early advantage on the Hornets (who were missing their star PG, Kemba Walker, due to a knee injury). They managed to move the ball around on offense, yet their defense once again came up short as they failed to control the paint or the glass. Actually, that’s an understatement… they got destroyed on the glass 18-7. This allowed an injury depleted, yet scrappy Charlotte team to hang around and keep things deadlocked after one. The only reason they didn’t take the lead was due to this fairly remarkable block by J.R. Smith (remarkable not only in quality, but also because J.R. wasn’t called for a foul)…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbWzijuQH3Y
The two benches squared off to start the second, and for a minute, it looked as though Tyronn Lue might break free of this rotational loop and lengthen his reserves. After all, Matthew Dellavedova was out with a sore hammy, so it was time to blow the dust off of Mo Williams… at least for a little while. Though he did hit a three towards the start of the period, Mo didn’t hit much else… and he certainly couldn’t stop the Linsanity on defense. It didn’t take long for the Cavs’ starters to all check back in, and that was when the Hornets’ bench really went to work behind former Badger, Frank Kaminsky. Frank “The Tank” went streaking for 10 points in the quarter to help give Charlotte a three point lead with just under three to go. But, a LeBlizzard of buckets and dimes fueled a 13-1 Cavs run to close out the half… capped by this ball-movement gem to beat the buzzer…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnsrVMb2iRY
The third quarter saw the Cavs bust out their shovels in a major way to dig themselves a replica of the hole they put themselves in on Monday night. Using a deadly combination of listless defense with a ball-sticking offense of ISO and two-man pick and roll, they got outscored 33-17 by an inspired Charlotte team. The Hornet outside shooters knocked down threes… their slashers slashed to the hoop… their big men packed the paint and they crashed the boards harder than the truck Phil drove over the cliff in Punxsutawney. Despite using a couple timeouts this time, and even inserting Anderson Varejao for a stretch, Coach Lue couldn’t seem to come up with a lineup to counteract this third quarter malaise. At the end of three, the Hornets had turned a nine point halftime deficit into a seven point lead.
Despite the Cavs’ best efforts to make things more competitive in the fourth quarter, no amount of furious digging could fill the hole back in completely. Every time Kyrie or LeBron got a little traction on their drives, or the threes started falling for J.R. and KLove… they just couldn’t seem to make stops on the defensive end. They again hemorrhaged rebounds to Charlotte, and also committed five of their eight turnovers for the game (they had zero in the first half for the first time since 2009). Unlike Monday night, they were unable to get the margin much closer than six points, and things even got heated with former teammate, American Patriot, and man bun sporting fake tough guy, Spencer Hawes…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXD4wbcE_FU
The hole proved too deep to escape this time, and despite another heavy load of minutes for the starters, the Cavs suffered just their second defeat of the Tyronn Lue era (and just their fourth in their last two dozen games).
Don’t you have some kind of a line that you keep open for emergencies or for celebrities? I’m both. I’m a celebrity in an emergency.
LeBron James had a 21-game personal winning streak against the Hornets coming into this game. He hadn’t lost to them since his first stint with the Cavs back in February of 2010, a span of nearly six years to the day. Despite logging yet another milestone, this time passing Kevin Garnett to move into 16th place on the all time NBA scoring list, he had a relatively inefficient night (by his standards), needing 21 shots to get his 23 points. He did add six assists and six rebounds, although only three dimes and one board came in the second half, after his burst to close out the first. Bron clearly had some issues getting free of a healthy Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, and also had a tough time boxing MKG out on the glass (and that’s when he was trying). At least LBJ acknowledged the ongoing seriousness of the team’s third quarter struggles…
“We’re s*** in the third quarter right now,” James said. “We need to figure it out. I don’t know what it is. I know Coach and the coaching staff are trying to pinpoint what the case may be. We’re doing a good job of playing great basketball in the first half, but our third quarters are pretty awful right now. We’ve got to figure that out.”
I’m betting he’s going to swerve first.
On the positive side, Kyrie sort of had his shot working in this game (10-17 for a team-leading 26 points), and he did wind up with five assists against just one turnover. On the negative side, Irving played like he had blinders on in the second half… continually trying to find ways to get to the rack (even if it was one on three), instead of looking to kick it out to an open shooter. He was also pretty awful in the individual defense department, as he was the primary culprit in letting Jeremy Lin swerve through the Cavalier defenses at will. Granted, he didn’t exactly have a whole lot of help with Delly sitting this one out and Mo doing his usual saloon door routine, but Kyridiculousness should never be trumped by Linsanity.
Don’t drive angry. Don’t drive angry!
If you were paying attention… all three of the highlights in the game recap section featured J.R. Smith. The first two were J.R. doing productive things, and the third was J.R. doing a destructive thing. On the face of it, it seems like just another bonehead move by Swish, as he blatantly retaliated against some Spencer Hawes aggression, earning himself his second technical foul of the season. Digging deeper though, you have to be kind of impressed with J.R. as the one guy who seems to consistently bring fire and energy to this team. At various points of both this game and the Monday night game, it was as if J.R. was the only guy in a wine & gold jersey who wanted to fight back. It’s also palpable to see how much he already has to hold himself back from getting too overheated with reputation foul calls and opponent aggressiveness/goading. Here’s hoping that J.R. can continue to harness his passion and funnel it into the positive side of the game rather than the negative. Even on an off shooting night (14 points on 14 shots), he still swiped four steals, three boards and used five of his six fouls trying to stop the Hornets.
If you gotta shoot, aim high. I don’t wanna hit the groundhog.
The open shots that Kevin Love was hitting in the last few games just didn’t seem to want to fall this game. Per usual, Kev got the majority of his touches early in quarters, but he had trouble converting his open looks outside (2-7 from downtown), and even inside against Cody Zeller and Frank Kaminsky (2-5 inside the arc). The 12 total touches were down about a half dozen from the previous few games, and even though he pulled down a dozen boards, it seemed like there were more than a few that got away from him on poor box outs. KLove did have a couple of terrific blocks (one on Zeller and one on Lin) in the early going, but neither he nor Tristan were able to lock down the lane for the most part on defense.
You wanna throw up here, or you wanna throw up in the car?
As mentioned above, the Cavs got absolutely destroyed on the glass 49-28. They also lost the offensive rebounding battle by a landslide, 11-3. MKG did a lot of the damage with a game-high 13, but Charlotte rebounded well across the board with eight different guys nabbing at least four caroms each. Canadian Dynamite fizzled out in this department with a paltry four total rebounds, and was less visible than Punxsutawney Phil’s shadow despite playing 34 minutes. TT scored only four points, laid out the welcome mat for the most part in the paint, and generally had one of his more forgettable days at the office. It’s fairly apparent that he’s got more inherent value when Delly is on the court to get him going with a Loaded Wombat or two. TT’s disappearing act was also a factor in the Cavs getting outscored 44-34 in the paint.
What would you do if you were stuck in one place and everyday was exactly the same, and nothing that you did mattered?
At one point in the third quarter, I felt like I had stepped into a time loop back to 2009. That’s because Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao were both sharing the court with LeBron James… at the same time. Though a rarity this season, this lineup was on the floor due to injury (Delly) and ineffectiveness (TT and Moz). Both guys must feel like nothing they did mattered all that much, however, as the parallel to 2009 also included a harkening back to the third quarter struggles that Mike Brown coached team encountered in those days. On the whole, Andy did bring some level of energy and defense, but only received seven minutes of time, which seemed too little to make much of an impact. Mo got a bit more run (appearing in the first half as well for a total of 11 minutes), but didn’t take much advantage of Delly’s absence. His shooting (2-7 for five points) simply wasn’t enough to balance out his woeful attempts at defense. It would be great if Coach Lue could find more optimal situations to play these guys, but that doesn’t appear to be likely.
I don’t see any other way out. He’s got to be stopped. And I have to stop him.
If only someone in a wine & gold uniform would have adopted Phil’s extreme assertion with respect to stopping the Linsanity in this game. This wasn’t Kemba Walker torching the Cavs for 24 points on 7-13 shooting and 8-11 from the line… it was floppy-haired Jeremy Lin… you know, the guy the Lakers didn’t want anymore? Jeremy must have thought he’d been transported back to New York circa 2012, the way he was carving up the Cavs (yet another reason the Cavs missed Delly). And, he wasn’t the only one… Frank “The Tank” Kaminsky had one of his best games (7-8 for 15 points and six boards in 24 minutes for a team-high +12), and MKG had himself a double double (11 points, 13 rebounds). Overall, the Hornets shot almost 50% from the floor, and attacked the glass with abandon.
Can I have one more of these with some booze in it, please?
I don’t know if Ty Lue drinks… but if he does, I imagine he could have used a couple after this one. Whatever is happening in the locker room at halftime lately sure isn’t likely helping his mood. For the second straight game (third if you count the run that San Antonio made on Saturday), the Cavs came out flat and almost completely ISO dependent to start the third quarter. Maybe it’s hubris from being up big at the end of first halves, maybe guys really are tired and out of shape, or maybe it’s just a focus and attention issue. In any event, it’s becoming a growing concern, and one that Lue needs to start finding some solutions for in the near future. In addition, Coach Lue’s rotations are inconsistent at best at the moment, with way too much reliance on big minutes for the starters, and not enough spacing out of the big three. At some point, he’s going to have to make good on his claim that he’s going to expand the rotation and keep the bench in shape and useful. Granted, the bench was without Delly tonight, but they were outscored as a group 39-18 by the Hornets. On top of this, the defense has been noticeably worse since Lue took over. Maybe it’s suffered because he’s had to focus more on his plans to incorporate the motion offense, but you would think bringing in a defensive coordinator of sorts would have helped bolster things. The rim protection in particular sorely needs to be addressed.
Am I right or am I right? Or am I right? Am I right? BING!
In many ways, Delly is the Ned Reyerson of this team. He may not seem like much on the surface. He may be annoying (more to opponents… well, and some stubborn Cavs fans). He’s certainly persistent. But, just like in the end of this sequence of encounters, you really do miss him when he’s not there every day. And, he’s absolutely the guy you want when it comes to providing insurance. I don’t know if Delly would have made a difference in the final outcome of this game, but I’m positive he would have helped the Cavs make it a much closer game. His impact on the defensive end, as well as his distribution abilities on the offensive end (particularly to TT) would have been felt measurably.
Well, at least the Cavs can spend the next four games, and most of the rest of the month, back in the friendly confines of the Q, figuring out how to stop digging these kinds of holes for themselves. They’ve got a decent test on Friday with the Celtics coming to town. Until then, I’ll leave you with a few words from @CavsDan himself (who seems to have picked up nicely on the Lue pun theme)…
No NBA team can be taken lightly. These are the best players in the world.I'm confident tonight will be a LUErning experience for our @cavs
— Dan Gilbert (@cavsdan) February 4, 2016
Sure hope we see a better 3rd quarter against Celtics and Lue gets the rotations right. I was surprised to see them sitting 3rd in Eastern Conference.
That JR block on the inbounds lob to Jeremy Lamb was one of the best, most athletic defensive plays I’ve seen.
I also recall Kyrie’s chase down block of Steph Curry’s breakaway layup at a critical moment in a Finals game last year.
Cavs played like butt. MJ was clapping in LeBron’s face.
I thought that 3rd quarters were generally pretty good under Blatt.
I think that was our strongest quarter in the EC playoffs last year.
Just saw the JR pushes Hawes clip for the first time. Don’t the Cavs have somebody besides JR to stand up to the pony tailed weenie Spencer Hawes? No way we’re winning a championship. Seriously.
Moz should have been in more. Sometimes, though, he fluctuates between sensitive baby cub and good bear, good bear. So its always a crap shoot with him. He should have gotten more than 7 minutes with TT playing so poorly though, IMHO.
Mozzie’s big. But he really isn’t all that tough.
I wish Lue sent him out there with instructions to get rough. And don’t be afraid, you can always hide behind JR.
I am feel like the JR got snubbed not being invited into the 3pt contest. Not a NBA poster child like some. Oh well hope it serves as one more form of motivation for all
Sorry my typing is getting bad.
Maybe he can win Mr. GQ again this year instead.
He’s not a part of the “establishment NBA” I guess
Gotta love the TNT games tonight involving the Knicks and the Lakers. If they’re hoping for big ratings because of those teams then everyone in NY and LA better tune in because nobody else will…..
Yeah it really bothers me that the Lakers get so many national TV games.
Well that Manziel story just exploded on Sports Center & twitter. Damn….
Good as gone from the Browns anyways.
Report: Bucks willing to trade Greg Monroe, Michael Carter-Williams
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/02/04/report-bucks-willing-to-trade-greg-monroe-michael-carter-williams/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Mo for MCW, who says no?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zmd2avl
I sure wouldn’t say no.
Pretty sure the bucks would say no.
Bucks need a more offensive minded PG. I think they probably say no also.
Where’s he gonna play? Or more like where’s he gonna sit. In between Sasha and MDN or Andy and JJ?
He can sit until the finals. Then guard Livingston when he enters the game.
Yep. He’s actually really good at some things. Mainly don’t want him shooting. Not that I think the Bucks would ever do that trade, but dreams are free, right?
You might have to include additional assets. Maybe a 2nd round pick?
The Cavs could try…it’s really a matter of how much the Bucks value MCW, and I have no idea. I’m sure a trade for Mo would just be done to dump him, so they’d have to really want to get rid of him…not sure a second sweetens the pot much.
I hear you. I’m not sure why else we could offer other than a first in 2018, or Cedi Osman, and frankly I don’t think if give up either of those for MCW. If we could somehow add MCW, PJ Tucker, and Morris, I’d be pumped. But I don’t know how they could make that happen. But that would be 3 defensive wings.
So he eats into Delly’s minutes in the finals? You can’t bring him over just to sit. We have enough guards as is.
He’s be taking Mo’s place on the roster…it’s an upgrade. He’d actually be playable against good teams. (and I’m not really a MCW fan)
Upgrade yes, but a bench upgrade. Someone has to sit for him to play. Mo was already sitting.
Right, it would give the Cavs a stronger bench, which is something they could use right now. Mo would be playing if he was playable. But I’ll drop it, since I highly, highly doubt that the Cavs or Bucks are considering this.
The only spots I think that could really accommodate upgrading are RJ and his 10 or so minutes, and the center position, where you could take Mozzy’s 15 minutes and eat into TT’s minutes by about 10 or so.
He’d be a defensive wing, which is what they are looking for. You could play him in a variety of line ups, possible 3-guard line ups.
All I’m saying is yes, he would be a rather good addition to the bench, but there’s nowhere to really play him. I’ll be conservative and put KI down for 30 minutes, and Delly for 20 (less you feel the wrath of CtB). Another 20 for Shump and 30 for JR. Those players cover the guard minutes and eat into SF for about 5 minutes right there. I guess he could either play or push 10 more of those minutes to SF in place of RJ, but he’d be hard to play with Delly and impossible to play with Shumpert.… Read more »
My question is –
Why does everybody want to trade Michael Carter Williams?
Basically because he’s a guard who can’t shoot. He does several other things pretty well, though.
Is anyone else furious with Kyrie? I don’t know if the injury is still bothering him or he’s just lazy, but he’s been terrible on defense and he’s an iso-only player on offense. Right now he’s not a winning player and doesn’t imo belong on the court. Until you learn to play team ball, you don’t belong on a potential championship team starting 5. Obviously we need him playing well to win it all but godd**m he drives me crazy the way he plays right now. Just so so selfish. Lebron too, but Kyrie most of all. PS: Scoring 25… Read more »
He’s still not ready for those kind of mins and I really believe Blatt knew this. Before Lue took over, Kyrie was close to still splitting mins with Delly. Then,BAM he jumpstarts to 37 to 40 mins. It is a bit drastic for him. But perhaps, Lue felt Blatt was babying too much. Who knows?
I think you hit the nail on the head. I was always amazed at the grief Blatt seemed to take for minutes distribution. He did a pretty great job, in my opinion, of managing rest and minutes with so many players in and out of the lineup due to injuries. I worry that Kyrie is going to get re-injured.
You have to admit, Kyrie playing those extra 8-10 mins has changed the complexion of the Cavs game good and bad. This is where Lue has to recognize this during in game adjustments. That doesn’t mean necessarily giving him less mins but consider who is in with Kyrie during his rotations.
He’s pretty much stunk this season, outside of isolated minutes in some games.
Maybe someone mentioned it but I can’t find it. Ginobili is out for a month. I sense an uptick in the Spurs losses coming. But good time to do it with the long break. And shouldn’t really matter as the GSW train hasn’t slowed a bit.
I was just discussing how Delly is kind of becoming the Cavs version of Ginobli. Not that their games are the same, but that they mean a lot more to their teams than you think at first glance. I think Nate was right that Delly may be the Cavs 2nd most important player. I didn’t feel that at the beginning of the year, but he is sure providing a lot more to this team that Kyrie or Love are on a consistent basis.
I would disagree with him being more important than Love or Kyrie. Those guys have had some bad games here and there, sure, but they can score points in bunches and in different ways. Delly scores most of his points because other players are focused on the stars. He shoots uncontested 3s or he is one on one with no help. If he were a #2 offensive weapon on the floor (Finals at times?) teams would play him tougher. On the defensive end, he is certainly one of the better Cavs most nights. I think he’s definitely the 6th most… Read more »
I think you confused 2nd most important player with 2nd best scorer. Delly doesn’t need to score one point to make the team better. Anytime he scores is gravy. There isn’t another player on this team, right now, that has a more dramatic effect on the team’s play, other than Lebron, than Delly. He impacts every line up he is in and makes everyone around him better.
I cut my diatribe short but I was going to finish with saying what Love and Kyrie do on O outweighs what Delly does on D.
Good point!! I thought the same thing last year when Delly was injured and out for 15 games. The team was out of sorts and they had 6 losses. Dion in particular suffered the most without him. We seen what happen in the finals after he was hospitalized. He wasn’t the same and neither was the rest of the team. I’m not sure I would say 2nd most important. But he is up there for sure. Get him in with Kyrie, you get the very best in Kyrie. They have chemistry that goes 3 years deep. That is what is… Read more »
Yes, they were 10-5 at the beginning of last year, but when he cam back they went 8-13 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
After Lebron, Miller, Andy was out yes. I’m pretty sure there was someone else. Yes Kyrie was out in that Philly game. You can’t discount the enormous injuries that were going on after Delly’s return.
And did you forget how bad Love was struggling with his back spasms? It was a very miserable time in mid Dec . Something had to happen, thus the trade happen shortly afterwards
I looked at Delly’s missed games as it pertained to their record because the point was how many losses and wins were there during that time. Cavs did not have a great start and injuries played a huge role in that.
Wasn’t really saying you were wrong, just that numbers like that can be manipulated to show what you want to show.
There isn’t any manipulations at all taximike. Just go to basketball reference,com and just see for yourself. It’s pretty straight forward. Just look at the games missed and lost. He was a factor in some of the losses but not all. I never said or misled anyone that all 15 games he missed resulted in Cav losses.
CAVSDAN reads CtB!!! He must’ve seen pun-night on CtB for Lue’s debut!
Obligatory Cols’ troll job:
LBJ and Kyrie are fat and out of shape… sigh.
Ugh…Ty “Cols” Lue SUCKS! Bring back EuroGenius.
Delly is MVP and GOAT end of story.
Random interesting sports-related article: A possible new approach to fixing torn ACLs involves helping the ligament heal rather than replacing it:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/can-a-sponge-fix-athletes-knees-1454541003
That would be nice. I had mine removed and replaced and still feel it to this day (nearly 20 years later).
Sorry to hear that. ACL repairs and recoveries have become so routine for elite athletes, we expect them to return as good as new. But I wonder how they fare long-term. Like how’s Mark Price doing?
ACL repairs typically don’t retear. Usually the next step when much older was a new knee. That’s my guess on Price.
It’s okay, it took about a year and a half to trust my knee again. I still play pickup basketball once a week.
I tried going down a full flight of steps on crutches the day after my first knee operation about 30 years ago. I tumbled and tore my left ACL, but did not know it for about 20 years; until imaging came along. I just thought I never recovered from the first operation, and gradually quit trying to play inside. I hung around gyms for another 20+ years by mostly being a 3 point shooter. I had to quit when I upgraded to titanium a couple years ago. Now I hike. Like most people, I am very happy with replaced knees.… Read more »
Wow, Raoul, bad luck. I’m glad you’re doing better with the new knees.
Sorry to hear Raoul. I know family members with new knees. They are pretty happy with them.
I had my knees replaced two plus years ago in the summer. I was hiking around pretty good by the following spring. You HAVE to do the rehab, either at PT or on your own. And stay active. My office is on a third floor and I often teach class on another third floor. My best decision is to NEVER take the elevator. A dozen plus flights of steps a day does wonders for your legs. If might even keep me skinny if it wasn’t for beer!
It is surprising that the defense is so much worse. NBATV exposed & televised the many defensive lapses from you know who (the 2 PG’s) .
Just getting on for a minute. No time to read the posts. One question. Did Delly play last night?
You should know this U-dog. It was a loss so NO! (just joking) But no he really didn’t and his presence was missed.
Delly was a DNP due to his hammy, which bothered him in the Indy game.
BETTER TELL THAT TO ” MR CAVALIER/ A.C. ” —HIS POST GAME REMARKS WERE HARSH ( HONEST ) TOWARDS THE CAVS ” ARE WE A CHAMPIONSHIP QUALITY TEAM OR NOT “—IT IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL FOR A.C. TO BE PROVOKED ENOUGH TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF COMMENTS ( EMBARRASING WAS ANOTHER TERM HE USED TO DESCIBE THE LOSS AND THE REBOUNDING )—
Fun story: a friend of mine scored us a pair of tickets for the owner’s suite at the Spurs game last Saturday… I sat right next to Austin Carr the entire first half. I didn’t say anything. He seemed pretty passionate for the game, though (got real mad when our first shot of the game was a poor LeBron fadeaway in the lane). I put some pics up on Instagram @cwzagger.
Thanks for sharing the pix! Awesome you got to sit next to AC!
Nomad, that is the harshest post game diatribe I think that AC has made in a long time. He was scathing, blunt and spot on. Campy was very critical saying the same things with a touch less passion. This just reaffirms that “…….the opinions and views expressed by many on this show (CtB) are indeed sanctioned and representative of management……” since AC and Campy are in their employ basically.
He use to be just as harsh before Lebron 2.0. It was on a nightly basis back then. He doesn’t hold back.
Something to keep in mind: in the two weeks since Lue has taken over, the Cavs have had only two practices, and will have gone a full two weeks in between just their 2nd and 3rd practices by the time they can practice again this coming Tuesday… and then no practice until the All-Star break. All with a brand new coach. None of this is going to calm the contingent of fans who were upset with the timing of Blatt’s firing, but patience is definitely going to be required with this team.
Good point, cwzagger… We should know after the ASB if there are legit reasons to believe this team either just has kinks to work out or more serious underlying issues…
Except lack of practice doesn’t answer the lack of effort. I think Lue has to do what no one ever seems willing to do – cut playing time for guys who don’t shot the requisite effort. Looking at you Lebron. If he’s not boxing out, sit him. Its not enough to just point it out. There have to be consequences to playing that way.
I’d rather lose by 25 with J.R., Shump, MDN, Varejao, and Delly on the floor than lose by 6 with our Stars not giving full effort.
I’d also go back to what Windhorst is always trumpeting – don’t be afraid to rest Lebron on back to backs, or at the end of road trips. You lose a game, so what. I would much rather have sat Lebron and tossed the Hornets game than play the starters big minutes in a depressing loss.
the problem is that he’s had a day of rest before each of the last two games an still came out with poor effort. Does he need two days rest before every game in order to have enough energy to box out?
No argument here on that front. But he (and all the other starters) played a lot of hard minutes in that Pacers game. I’d have been fine with sitting him against the Hornets.
It’s not a consistent lack of effort though… just pockets of it here and there…
Tough game, I think the team is maybe hitting the wall a bit in a long season and having spent a lot of energy and emotion in the wake of the coaching shake-up. Hopefully some home cooking will help.
The thing about JR is that he always retaliates. Always. So yeah, Hawes went after his boy Bron and he shoved him back. of course he did.
There’s a great JR quote on why he’s agitated: “The way we lost… we got away from what we do best and reverted back to what we don’t do well, playing one-on-one.” We’ve heard the same thing from LeBron and Kyrie over and over, so I like that coming from JR because it shows the non-Big Three players (really Leb & Ky), aka the ones who aren’t hijacking the offense, are taking notice and voicing displeasure in the dumb ISO habits. This quote is coming from one of the few guys who’ve been playing hard and selfless ball the past… Read more »
Terrific recap EG. Could Delly be this important? Also seems certain members of the Big 3 (I’m talking about you KI) don’t seem to hear Coach Lue about cutting back on the ISO and passing the ball. Maybe it’s time to bring out another movie: “What we have here is a failure to communicate” from Cool Hand LUEke I believe.
Nice reference to the best line from one of my favorite movies.
One of my favorite movies too. The exact line is “What we’ve got here is a failure to communicate”…Strother Martin. It might be wishful thinking but if Lue does a great job he could be our “Cool Hand LUE”
Thanks Tom! And yes… I think Delly is actually this important to both the defense and ball movement on offense…
What Paul Newman has to do in this great movie exactly personifies the Cavs woes. Filling up a hole, and then repeatedly digging back into that same hole. I think the Cavs marketing dept should play this clip on the Humongraton, when Lue has to call the next TO over a repeated miscue. Lue won’t say anything during the TO, but just point to the screen above.
Love Paul Newman, but I’m sorry, because of my age when I hear that clip the only people I think of are Axl and Slash…..
Haha, Taximike. That’s all I thought of too
HERE IS THE SO CALLED LATEST/ GREATEST CAVS TRADE RUMORS ( PLATERS THAT THEY SHOULD SEEK )—–RYAN ANDERSON / CHANNING FRYE / TREVOR ARIZA / NICK YOUNG / KEVIN MARTIN/ OF COURSE MARKIEFF ( ALTHOUGH IT APPEARS TORONTO MIGHT BE MORE AGGRESSIVE IN GETTING HIM AND THE LOVE FOR GRIFFIN TRADE —-MIGHT AS WELL INITIATE MORE DRAMA
Only Ariza is any good at defense on that list… and Houston is making the playoffs, so wouldn’t count on them shipping him…
I’m pretty sure Toronto is going to make some deal for somebody, and that could be trouble for the Cavs. They are one piece away from being a real threat (they may well be one already)….I think they are aware that they have a real shot at the finals this year with a big move.
I think they’d have to get a pretty substantial piece…
The rotation seems way out of whack. There could be good reasons for this. I hope it is not a case of coaching brain freeze up, where the best players are on the floor way too long.
My guess is that Moz and Andy would be a lot better on the floor than Mo, and probably RJ for that matter. Particularly when we are getting killed on the boards and being bullied by dorks like Spencer WhosHe. We should have kept the Angry Smurf for situations like that.
I don’t like this “Let’s throw the Baby out with the Bath” approach on what actually did work on Blatt’s rotations. Lue has available to him on what worked. His reluctance or desire to break free from that isn’t working. It’s just stupid now. The heavy starter mins is affecting the rhythm of the game. You can’t have the Big 3 sitting on the bench at the same time. Not in certain games.
MY MAIN CONCERN WITH LUE ( AND ENTIRE COACHING STAFF ) WHEN ASKED ABOUT 3RD QTR WOES / PROBLEMS IS ALWAYS ” WE HAVE TO WATCH THE FILM TOMORROW ” —-TOMORROW IS TOO LATE —YOU NEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IN THE GAME ——–THIS IS WHY THEY ARE HAVING 3RD QTR PROBLEMS / THE OPPOSING COACH (STAFF ) ARE MAKING HALF TIME ADJUSTMENTS / YOU NEED TO COUNTER WITH YOUR CHANGES—-CALL IT BEING OUT COACHED !!
Apparently Griffin didn’t think Blatt did a good job in that dept and thought Lue would be better.
Sucks to lose, but we are still winning at a great clip.
Do you still think they are winning the Finals in four or five games?
The story of last night is two steps forward, one step back. This could be Coach Lue’s first real test. He came through on a lot of promises his first couple games, so now we need get back to building that kind of momentum. The team has to take stock in its own words and worry about the Process more than the W or L — we’d all rather see the team play the right way and lose than to play with old bad habits and consequently lose. Here’s hoping it’s truly a Luerning experience.
1ST OF ALL THANK YOU EVIL FOR ” EASING THE TENSION ” WITH YOUR LIGHTHEARTED RECAP ( WE ALL NEEDED THAT ) –AGREE WITH THE EARLIER BLOG (MIKE ) VERY CONCERNED WITH OUR DEFENSE / ROTATIONS / LACK OF BENCH PRODUCTION / HEAVY STARTER MINUTES ——YES LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME WE WERE ALREADY INTO OUR MARVELOUS RUN ( CALL US SPOILED ) AND FEELING VERY GOOD / CONFIDENT ABOUT OUR CAVS —-THIS YEAR THERE ARE CONCERNS AND DOUBTS ——–IMHOP NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE A TRADE IF THE FRONT OFFICE HAS ANY DOUBTS ABOUT THE PRESENT SQUAD BEING… Read more »
Appreciate it NOMAD… although I think you’re going to wind up being disappointed in the trade market… just don’t see many gettable pieces that Cavs would need/can use… They have all the pieces, Lue just needs to figure out how to deploy them, and then it’s up to the players to execute…
Nice recap EG, and great theme. I loved Groundhog Day and, to steal from you and Bill Simmons, I fit some people into my favorite quotes from the movie. [after Phil has driven the truck he has stolen off a cliff to kill both himself and Punxsutawney Phil] Larry: He… might be okay. [the truck explodes in a fireball] Larry: Well, no. Probably not now. Lebron and Kyrie’s quote. This is how I feel when either of them get the ball and start to Iso. I think, we might be ok. Then as I see Lebron start to launch another… Read more »
Thanks taximike! Great additions with the quotes… And yes, sometimes a loss is just a loss… but hopefully, it’s always a lesson…
great stuff, taximike.
we really need to get Cols on a pod
Or you could just get EG to read his list of ‘top 20 Cols narratives’….same difference.
Great Recap, EG. Man, that was way more than I was expecting after a game like that. And good move. Using Bill Murray in a recap is like using slo-motion fighting in Improv. It ALWAYS makes things better. Bron had a pretty miserable court game, but he did move the ball more than he did against the Pacers. He just got eaten up by MKG’s energy. Moz was fine when he was in. He wasn’t in for long. Lue’s rotations are laughably bad right now. He continues to go to lineups without Ky, Love and Bron. Why? I just don’t… Read more »
Agree with everything Ben. Particularly WTF with the rotations. Blatt rarely had James, KI and Love on the bench together. This is an official trend with Lue, and it’s not working. Moz getting low minutes with big body Hawes on the floor? And the overall starter minutes in February is scary. Some of the starters, particularly Irving, looked gassed in the 4th quarter. LeBron should watch how Delly blocks out too on the boards. Inexcusable.
A lot of good points here. I wouldn’t personally call the rotations “laughably bad” but I agree with the related suggestions, especially the part about how it’s fine if sticking with a set rotation costs them some regular season games. I think part of Blatt’s downfall was taking a different, inconsistent approach to each individual game as the pressure to win mounted. Lue needs to be careful of that.
JR has been a breath of fresh air! What a gamer.
Thanks Ben! Great thoughts by the way!
I was wondering that about the foul on LeBron. I’m actually glad they changed the call if they wasted 10 minutes of time standing in front of the damn monitor. It was an offensive foul. Not really upset with J.R. for shoving Hawes but I’d have appreciated a little more fire from the Cavs on defense in the second half. It did feel like the Cavs got hosed with a handful of calls in a row in the second half that stunted any chance of crawling out of the hole. But they dug that hole so deep by getting completely… Read more »
Dan Gilbert said it all – this is a great Luearning experience. I predict this team will respond to adversity like it always does, win its last 4 before the break, and head into the All-Star break 39-13 (and 20-4 over the last 24 – with a coaching change. Incredible!!).
Just think how good we will be when Lue actually has more than two practices with the team!?
It’s gonna be a great ride for the next 4-5 months.
Go cavs!
Yep. I’m really tired of the burn it all down mentality in the game threads and after losses. It’s really sad. Like people can’t enjoy rooting for the best Cavs team we’ve ever had.
I blame the Warriors. The Cavs are awesome, but the Warriors are gunning for immortality and the best record of all-time so it makes us look like we aren’t as great as we are.
What would be more “burn it down” mentality than firing your head coach at mid-season with a 30-11 record? Don’t be so faux injured about people being critical of this team… it’s their right just as much as it is yours to be pollyanna and “fanlier than thou.” Why should people enjoy disappointing losses? I’m sure the players themselves don’t… and if they do, then that’s a problem. Don’t blame the Warriors… they won the title then turned around this year and played and acted like they aren’t satisfied. Blame the Cavs, because even though they possess the talent and… Read more »
Isn’t the end goal for this team a championship? Nobody cares if we go to the finals for the next 4 years when there is nothing to show for it. Of course we are going to measure this team up to the Warriors, they’ll be waiting in the Finals whether we like it or not. And at no point during his halfway-over season do we look like a team that’s capable of beating the Warriors in 7. This is where the fans’ frustrations and overreactions stem from. Also don’t you think Griffin himself kind of exhibited that ‘burn it down… Read more »
Sorry I shouldn’t say all healthy, we didn’t have our backup pg. But if Delly really needs to be the difference between us winning and losing to the Charlotte Hornets then we have bigger problems.
EG — I am totally frustrated by the losses. Makes me angry. I just don’t put much weight into them in terms of my long-run view of the team. So I get the furstration. I don’t get how that frustration spirals into immediate fears of systemic issues. Alex — I totally agree that all that matters is the championship. That is why I could care less about a loss to CHA in Feb. I think we have a tremendous chance to win. We will win the East with maybe 80% chance. And we have played GSW better than any team… Read more »
You don’t get how frustration spirals into immediate fears of systemic issues? First of all, I wouldn’t say they’re immediate… Many of the things being cited are season long issues… Also, granted there will always be fits and starts when there are changes at the leadership level (head coach) and new schemes are being implemented… but the point I was making to Cols is that obviously David Griffin (and I’m assuming Dan Gilbert) were frustrated enough with what was happening with this team that they made a drastic change mid-stream. If the guys in charge have such conviction of immediate… Read more »
I agree with the 2nd paragraph, for sure.
Here’s the last time Dan chimed in about learning experiences: https://twitter.com/cavsdan/status/403352431326556161
It didn’t work out.
I don’t want to put down anyone’s effort, but at times it just looks like they are sleep walking out there. There are mental lapses during these games that should garner a benching. Boxing out is one of the most fundamental parts of the game, and there were times where we would have 3 guys in the paint just staring at the shot instead of boxing out. LeBron does this all the time, and it is frustrating as hell. I felt bad for JR this game. It looked like he was trying to do anything to get his teammates to… Read more »
There was one play in the fourth quarter where the Hornets missed a shot and both TT and KLove just watched another Hornet (MKG I think) waltz in and grab the rebound, then miss a bunny, grab the rebound and miss another bunny before they seemingly made a move…
I remember that. I just shook my head in disbelief.
Sucks to lose to them. But whatever. Still winning at a high clip.
It’s weird. when we aren’t making shots, our defensive intensity suffers. but I’m not going to overreact to any loss in early February against a 7-8th seed.
The inverse is also true… when their defensive intensity isn’t turned up, they don’t get easy shots on the other end to make…
Was Moz really that ineffective? I feel like I bare saw enough to determine any sort of effectiveness and the box score doesn’t tell you anything. He was 2/2 in 7 minutes of play. I felt like they needed a bit of his big body to go up against Hawes at various points in the second half. Overall, just disappointing. Tired of being the team that throws up games like these.
I felt the same way. I didn’t catch a lot of the first half, but when Hawes was in and causing damage, I was wondering where Moz was. Could it be they are keeping him limited for a possible trade? Or is Lue just not that good with rotations?
I’m not sure effective as much as he would have minimized their damage more than TT.
Hard to know with his limited time, but Lue must have felt so… he was also rebound free even in his limited time…
Main concerns despite the 35-13 record, and the first 7 games under Lue. 1) We had been top five in defensive efficiency, and our defense has been very poor in several games. 2) Stagnant and inconsistent offense, and the schizophrenic change from good to bad in the same game. 3) Starter minutes and questionable rotations in general. 4) James broken jumper from beyond 15 ft, particularly the terrible 3 pt shooting. Last year at this time we were already on our dominant run with numerous games over by the end of the 3rd quarter. Hopefully this happens again after the… Read more »
EG, that title is gold. CTB has picked up the headline game recently. Best blog around!
Thanks Kevin! I borrowed it from a Chemical Brothers album title from the late 90s, but it seemed to translate nicely…
Thanks, EG. Geez, I didn’t realize how rotten TT’s numbers were until I read this. He has to miss Delly’s absence on the offensive end more than anyone else.
It was a thoroughly forgettable game for Tristan… you could barely even tell he was on the floor at times…