Podcap: Cleveland 116, Minnesota 108 (or, Lost Love, Wills, and Puppies)
2017-02-15The Cavs held off the hungry Wolf pups Tuesday night in a high scoring battle that saw Minny shoot 49%, and Cleveland edge them out by shooting 51%. For the T-Wolves, Andrew Wiggins put on a show, scoring 41 on 29 shots, and adding a three boards, two assists, and a steal in 41 minutes with zero turnovers. Karl-Anthony Towns added 26, Gorgui Dieng 12 and 10, and Ricky Rubio had 16 dimes, 8 boards, and only two points as he dished out the treats to the puppies.
For Cleveland, the absence of Kevin Love was overcome by the excellence of Channing Frye who started in Love’s absence. Channing scored 21, grabbed 10 rebounds, blocked two shots, and was a game high +17 in 32 minutes. Channing was 4-11 from three and 3-4 from from two. The Cavs as a team attempted a whopping 39 triples and made only 13. Kyrie Irving was bricking them as he went just 2-10 but 8-17 everywhere else to score 25 and drop seven dimes with no turnovers. Canadian Double Double Dynamite dropped 14 and 11 and outshot the King from the charity stripe.
Speaking of LeBron he was brilliant offensively, as he attacked relentlessly and ran the offense brilliantly to finish with 25 on 14 shots, eight boards, and an eye popping 14 dimes. The only blemishes on his night were his chill mode defense on Wiggins, and six turnovers. Much of this could’ve been fatigue as Bron had 33 minutes logged going into the fourth and finished with 39. He had several rim rattling dunks and an enormous three late to put the Cavs up for good.
Bench heroics were provided by the newly acquired Derrick Williams who had a steal and runout layup to put the Cavs up by eight in the final minute, which effectively neutered the pups’ chances of winning. Williams ran the floor relentlessly all night and was the beneficiary of brilliant passes from LBJ including one that went between Wiggins’ legs to find DWill open on the baseline. Williams finished with 13 and six rebounds in 22 minutes and was +!5 from the floor. He’s not fitting out. He’s fitting in.
On the pod, Nate Smith, Evil Genius, and newest CtPer, Mitch Suchan talk about about Williams, what Love’s absence means, whether he’ll be able fit back in, Shumpert’s return, why Wiggins always gets up for the Cavs, the baffling absense of DeAndre Liggins’, have we seen the last of Felder?, will the Cavs make another move, do they have the greenlight for greenbacks from @CavsDan?, LBJ minutes policing, Channing Frye, the Ibaka trade, and so much more.
You can find us above, on the Allmighty Ballers Podcast Network, on iTunes, or on Google Play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo7cA9I58bQ
Gonna have to mute this game.
Why? These guys are so much better than say Hubie Brown or CWebb or Reggie Miller or Mark Jackson…
Nate… all your questions on this get answered…
https://twitter.com/SInow/status/832005391013781504
https://twitter.com/twithersAP/status/831994523765112832
Bill Walton rocking a tie-dye Rock & Roll Hall of Fame t-shirt for the broadcast tonight… not making this up…
https://twitter.com/twithersAP/status/831993663089696769
I guarantee LeBron would’ve won a title with Ibaka, Westbrook, and Harden on the team.
LeBron would have gone 0/0 for the season with Westbrook and Harden on the team.
+1 lol
Against KD with DWade, Bosh & gang…?
Kyrie is a philosophical MFer http://www.slamonline.com/the-magazine/features/kyrie-irving-interview-slam-cover-story/
More ridiculousness from NY.
Some saw a possible chance for desperation in Cleveland, where Kevin Love is lost for six weeks with a knee injury and subsequent surgery. Some around the league feel the Cavs, if indeed interested, might try to wait it out and hope for a bargain if the Knicks really are intent on moving Anthony, and he wants to play with buddy LeBron James and waives his no-trade. The Knicks haven’t really driven up his value, either, with negative tweets and public criticisms from Phil Jackson. – via New York Post
The dude makes $24 million. There’s no way for the Cavs to get a “bargain” with Melo. It’s Shump and TT at a minimum.
Shumpert is at 40% from three. i think we can stop calling him steaky. That’s a really good percentage.
http://www.omahasteaks.com/gifs/recipes/390×250/fm082.jpg
Oh I get it. I really suck today.
I cannot state enough how badly the OA sucks.
Well, try not to ruin it for the rest of us.
I’m trying to save you from watching the last two episodes. They are trash. The ones before those two were fun though.
https://twitter.com/CavsFredMcLeod/status/831991710418927619
How did RJ convince KShrimp to do this?
https://twitter.com/cavs/status/831988418699751424
We all know the world’s tallest oompa loompa is in the white house.
But good on Kay for being a deferential rookie with a sense of humour.
I am so excited for this… such a great break from the announcer roulette we typically have…
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/831956254708805633
That’s awesome, baby!
Nobody like him…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6_QMII9wJ8
I miss Walton dearly.
I want to pod just so I can do. My Walton impersonation.
I like Walton, but Vitale is completely insufferable.
But he’s a diaper dandy… baby!
And what about PTP….Prime Time Player
I too am excited about Legion.
Is the Expanse good enough to start or is it too games of throney where there’s way too many characters to keep track of?
Nate don’t watch the last two episodes of the OA. They completely ruin what was a decent show to that point.
Good music:
Cherry Glazerr – Apocalipstick
The XX – I See You
Drive By Truckers – American Band
Run the Jewels – RTJ3
Strand of Oaks – Heal
Angel Olsen – My Woman
RTJ3 did not do it for me like RTJ2
Really? I think they are both great.
I think it was a hard act to follow up, I mean RTJ3 is still really good but I do not think it is AOTY material.
I’m amazed that abate thinks Griffins has screwed up this season.
Who?
You know… Ignazio Abate… the footballer from AC Milan…
See how annoyed he is that Griffin has screwed up this season?
Who cares what a euro futballer thinks anyway? I’m surprised Cols is so upset by Abate’s words…
Maybe he messed up Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s name? Equally upset about Griff’s performance.
Mike Jones
LeBron isn’t the mvp of this league. The Cavs would be a playoff team without him. Take Westbrook, Harden, or Kawhi off their team and those teams are probably lottery bound. Oh, and wall is gaining ground.
I don’t know if I agree with that… Cavs are 4-18 since LBJ came back when he doesn’t play… and I don’t think they’ve won a game without him this season…
But I do think that MVP candidate should make at least 70% of their free throws…
The only thing about this stat that I like to bring up is that this team is so utterly and completely built around LeBron. From our personnel to our plays, they are designed to succeed when you have LeBron on the court. If the King wasn’t on this team, it would operate differently and quite possibly be much more successful than 4-18. That being said, purely a hypothetical. Who knows. We could lose every game and have to trust the process to draft us another star with the first pick.
Salient point. It is very much a team constructed to fit LBJ…
If LeBron missed an extended stretch, say a couple months, the remaining Cavs would learn how to win without him, and would easily make the playoffs.
Last I checked Lebron is shooting -40% from the line and to calculate if he is going to make it or not you have to understand the ball in a quantum state
Wilt was the greatest player of his era, and i think he shot about 20% from the line.
Actually, he averaged 51% for his career… and when you score 100 points in a game, average 50ppg in a season and average 30ppg/23rpg for your career, FTs probably don’t factor in as much…
And I’d argue that Russell was greater in that same era…
The Cavs are like 0-900 when LeBron sits. Oh, wait, you are trolling me. I suck.
IMO, MVP should be tied to a player making his team contenders more than merely making playoffs. Harden, Kawhi, Lebron, Curry, Durant are my MVP candidates.
Idk. Okc is soooo poorly constructed. They have terrible shooting, bench, etc. Westbrook is practically willing them to the offs.
Nate, I can argue that Westbrook is not doing everything to win by doing too much. He should tone down his game to make his teammates better like many super stars did before him. Lebron does that routinely, tone down his game and allow his teammates do their thing. It was inexcusable for Westbrook to shoot that much when Durant was there. His dominating ball caused Durant to leave and made Ibaka unhappy subsequently making him leave OKC. Durant is gone and he probably got the team he deserves which should enable him to average triple double but with no… Read more »
Agree with you about the last couple years with Durant. But we’re talking about this year. I also don’t agree that Russ had anything to do with ibaka leaving. This year, Russ’s assists are way up despite worse shooting around him. Give him more shooting and his assists would be through the moon and they’d be a top four seed.
His assists are up because he hogs the ball and his usage rate is at historic level. His TOs are also up at historical rate.
Ibaka was unhappy with his role and fewer touches last two years in OKC. Westbrook would be the reason for fewer touches.
http://www.slamonline.com/nba/serge-ibaka-reportedly-unhappy-role-okc-prior-trade/#Dlof5bQK7dQ4x4kQ.97
The point being that his usage rate has to be at a historic level because that team stinks so badly. That’s the point of the MVP trophy. It’s not the best player; it’s the most valuable. He can be MVP and a ball hog. They’re not mutually exclusive.
Whatever. Durant left because Durant choked away games 6 and 7 verse the frauds and couldn’t live with his own failure so he joined a whole team of failures. Westbrook is carrying that team.
Durant left because he realized with Westbrook he is never going to win. Nobody ever waited that long for a teammate to change,
I was not here at the time, but do you care to enlighten me why Lebron left Cavaliers( or Bosh left Toronto or KG left Minny ).
LeBron left the Cavs to go play in Miami with his longtime friends. He then came back to win a title in Cleveland over the most fraudulent team in history. It’s all good.
Durant failed massively in OKC and left to join more failures.
Lebron left Cavs to win because his support cast sucked(Mo williams next best player), remember ‘not one, not two, not three’ and the decision, basically immature barbs. What is great about Lebron is that he himself admitted he was wrong about ‘decision’ when he came back to lose to ‘fraudulent’ team before pulling the greatest upset of the history. It was called ‘upset’ because Cavs were underdogs and down 1-3. I usually don’t correct or like to argue with Cavs fans here about Cavs because it is their site. I gave you an exception today because you were just plain… Read more »
Durant is having an identical statistic season to Lebron with a higher free throw% and half the assists. I hate low efficiency high volume players like Harden and Westbrook, but their stats other than shooting% are hard to argue with. But anyone in their right minds knows that you remove any single player from any team and replace with Lebron and the team improves.
+1
Westbrook is probably also setting up records with total TOs for season and number of games with double digit TOs. I see both Harden and Westbrook as low efficient players but Westbrook even more so.
That’s a pretty convincing thought experiment.
LBJ > KD on gridiron tho…
https://twitter.com/FootballPIayers/status/831971382535806976
KD and Lebron are different players. KD is #1 among SFs in TS%, Lebron at #8. KD leads all non Cs in TS%. Aside from shooting, KD leads Lebron in EWA(estimated wins) , VA(value added) and PER. So, while Lebron is more versatile and more talented, KD is having better season.
Bah. The MVP is the the guy that wins the MVP trophy. KD isn’t winning no matter what he does. Also, KD doesn’t have to play setup man.
KD is an absolute monster, when he scores I despair thinking he could average 50 if he wanted. However, you can twist a wide variety of advanced stats to make a certain player look better than another. In my honest opinion, and I didn’t think of this before my first post, but Kawi Leonard is the only player on the only team that might not improve with a straight up trade for Lebron. Kawi is ridiculous at defense and his total package is hard to argue with. KD is the man, but he isn’t the MVP. My vote for MVP… Read more »
Barely in PER and Lebron’s is on a steady upswing in the last 2 months. If you know Lebron, you know he does his best work from here on out, I’d bet a beer he beats KD in PER
Is that real?
Yeah… don’t you remember when they were practicing together during the 2011 lockout?
No. That guy would’ve been the greatest football player that ever lived.
That logic is weak. If you replaced LeBron with Westbrook or Harden, the resulting team would win about the same number of games as their current teams do. They don’t lead anyone, they just hog the ball. Kawhi is a more complete player, he is worth about 3/4 of a LeBron.
I think you have been stealing Cols’s meds.
I took my meds. I still think LeBron is the MVP.
http://www.thcfinder.com/uploads/files/420-oeros-thcfinder.jpg
Ha. Edibles take too long to work.
Earth to ESPN/Celtics if a giant turtle crosses the highway, and a meteor strikes at the same time as a tornado, the Celtics will have a 32% chance of winning the number 1 seed in the East.
MAMBA GO STILL BE TRADE BAIT OR FREED UP TO CREATE ANOTHER SPOT —–WITH THE O.K. FROM UNCLE DAN TO SPEND LOOK FOR GRIFF TO BE MORE AGRESSIVE ( YET SOMEWHAT PATIENT ) IN THE UPCOMING WEEK —–AGAIN IF HE THINKS SOME TEAMS HAVE CLOSED THE GAP—A BIGGER TRADE COULD POSSIBLY BE MADE —-OTHERWISE ANOTHER BIG–BACK UP PT GD ARE IN ORDER —ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT MIGHT COME IN FREE AGENCY BUYOUTS WILL INFLUENCE HIS TRADING THOIUGHTS —-MARCH IS A BRUTAL SCHEDULE ( BECAME MORE BRYUTAL WITH KLOVE’S INJURY ) THINK THIS IS WHY YOU WILL SEE GRIF MAKE MOVES… Read more »
I think picking up a buy out is most likely.
Me too. Buyouts start soon right?
The week following the trade deadline…
Right now, LeBron is the MVP of the league.
But Harden or Westbrook will win it. Lebron is having one of his best all around seasons with awesome efficiency that keeps rising. Turnovers and free throws are the only issues.
MVPs hit their free throws…
Griffin would be cruising to his third straight executive of the year award in any normal world where they gave it out on merit.
This I agree with, mostly because I’ve said it before…
I have no idea what Williams has been doing for the last five years or so, but he looked excellent on D last night. He is probably the fastest and most athletic guy on the team, other than maybe the Shrimp and LeBron.
Love this Jason live blog of the podcast. Make it rain baby!
Funny you should say that when there is a CtPer involved.
Right… so much better than actually listening and forming coherent, non-repetitive opinions of your own…
Also agree 100% on adding a C type. D-league is fine. Sanders worth a look (though I don’t know if we are a good spot for a guy with anxiety issues). Andersen deal means we are going to make at least one move.
Haven’t heard of any other teams working him out after the Celtics… and he must not be in a position to help since Boston is more desperate for rebounding than anyone. Dude hasn’t played in two years, and wasn’t particularly good the last year or so that he did play…
Sanders worked out for Lakers(and I believe Wizards too).
In terms of Griff, I disagree strongly again. He’s not as “aggressive” due to the fact that all of our assets are gone. Midseason acquisitions: ’15 = Smith, Shump, Mozzy. ’16 = Frye, Jones. ’17 = Korver, D-Will (so far).
We didn’t cut McRae because there is not anyone to replace him with. Yet.
Good ‘cast overall. Agree 100% on Liggins. He should play more. More consistently. I’d expect the rotation to widen up a tad for this one. I’ll judge Lue’s rotational plan after the Indy game.
Griffin got us Korver and Williams so far. I don’t know what else people expect from him.
Replace him with Quinn, Weber, or any other number of d league guys.
Guys: James played all of the 3rd due to the fact Kyrie had 4 fouls. Ky had to sit the rest of the 3rd. Did you think Ky should have played the last 6 minutes of the 3rd with 4th fouls? Plus, we had 2 days off prior to this game. Did you guys fail to notice Kyrie had 4 fouls? If you are going to harp on it, expect a tad of pushback when you whiff on a fact.
Plus LeBron was awesome. The minutes police will not be satisfied until every Cavs star is averaging 2 minutes per game. GOT TO KEEP THEM FRESH!
Disagree with Cols.
Ah… go eat your Oreos…
Guys play with four fouls all the time… Shump, Lig, Felder and McRae can all handle the ball… no excuse for riding LBJ for the entire third quarter…
I did fail to notice Kyrie had four fouls. I had no audio. I did notice two backup point guards that got dnps.
LeBrons is just so great all the time and he does it with almost effortlessly. I continue to be amazed. I think we should all appreciate this greatness even if we are forced to watch him play an extra three minutes more each night.
Absolutely right, until the “even if” part.
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jimwest/pigheaded.jpg
Curious to see what kind of deal the Cavs give Williams.
ENCHILALADA WITH HIS “3-E’S ” —EFFORT/ ENERGY / EFFICIENCY—-NOT TO MENTION ACTIVE ON THE BD’S—GUARDING 3-4 DIFFERENT POSITIONS —-SEEN MANY G.M.’S SAY THIS MIGHT BE THE MOST UNDERRATED SIGNING IN THE NBA THIS YEAR —THANK YOU AGAIN GRIFF —YES TO MORE LIGS AND PROBABLY HAVE SEEN THE LAST OF CONSISTENT MINUTES BY KSHRIMP ( STILL BELIEVE IN HIS FUTURE POTENTIAL TO BE AN ASSET ON THIS TEAM )—KORVER IS NOT AS BAD AS A DEFENDER AS HIS REPUTATION HAS LABELED HIM / AND ALSO A REBOUNDER (SNEAKY )–CAN YOU IMAGINE PRESENT CAVS WITHOUT THREEZUS/ ENCHILADA —-CAVS NOT DONE YET–HAVE BEEN… Read more »
Good recap. Our D is frustratig at times. We sometimes get too 3 happy. Still a good game.
What happened to Tom? Will we be deprived of his instacaps during the playoff run?
Nah. He’;s around. Just busy with work. He’ll be back.
Lue is really stubborn about Lebron’s minutes, kinda ridiculous. Reminds me of Thibs in Chicago. As has been said, only thing that matters for a Lebron team is keeping him fresh for the second season, regular season minutes and frankly a few losses aren’t worth miles on the GOAT.
Maybe instead of complaining you can enjoy watching the best player in the NBA. I’m sorry you have to endure it for 2-4 extra minutes every night.
Earth to Cols: We ALL like watching LeBron. Unlike you, we also want a good shot at winning it all this year. The Cols view is: who cares if LeBron runs out of gas and we lose in the second round, we got to see him an extra two minutes a night.
I’ll use your line Raoul: Take your meds, Cols. Anyone that simply disagrees with “everything is awesome” (which by the way is such an analytically precise observation steeped in statistical data) Cols labels as “complaining.”
Lol I called him the GOAT